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Bulbs => Crocus => Topic started by: mark smyth on January 01, 2008, 04:36:24 PM
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Many Crocus are now above ground - vernus, chrysanthus, imperati, korolkowii forms, cvijicii - this is the lovely baytopiorum and a close up of the sun spot of C. chrysanthus Sunspot
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For some reason my cameras dont like the look of C. michelsonii. It could be the dull days we have had recently. I'm not happy that my 'white form of korolkowii is the white form. Last photo shows sieberi ex Gothenberg Botanics
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Nice ones Mark, especially the C. sieberi ex Gothenburg, that is one to lust over. My Spring flowering Crocus are lagging well behind yours.
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David I cant remember how many of the sieberi I have but if I feel I can spare a corm it will go to you.
Tony does the number of flowering noses have any indication have any indication on how a corm will split?
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Hmmm.... I know the party I went to last night was a good one, but I don't remember skipping a year??? :P :P
(Nice pix of crocus though)
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Hadn't noticed that! Come on Mark, at least get the date right ;D
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OK too eager was I.
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I like the C.chrysanthus Sunspot. Who is selling corms?
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The number of 'noses' is usually a good indicator of how many new corms you will get.
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Mark,
Fantastic pic of michelsonii. Lovely outer markings. Was admiring Anthony's in another thread as well. Nice species by the look of it. Love that dark sieberi as well!!
My understanding of Crocus is that they replace the corm each year, so theoretically every new nose is a new corm (obviously the numbers may not add up, as some may not mature properly etc, plus there can be the tiny offsets at the base of some species). Usually if you get 3 noses you'll end up with 3 major corms.... etc.
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Mark,
Wonderful photos of Crocus. Particularly the C. crysanthus Sunspot. I have attached a painting to show possible colour variation of C. michelsonii PF7497 Kopet Dagh Range dark forms collected by Admiral Paul Furse. I still have the botanical painting but have lost the bulbs.
Cheers, Otto
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The middle painting is very nice.
'Sunspot' came from Potterton's in England http://www.pottertons.co.uk/pott/view_product.php?pid=1154 (http://www.pottertons.co.uk/pott/view_product.php?pid=1154)
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Great show Mark :D Out here Crocus in the garden are hardly showing a few green tips and the frosty weather that's being forecasted won't help eather... :-\
Must get hold of that "Sunspot" ! Great contrast.
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Good morning and a Happy New Year everybody!
Phantastic photos here - in my own garden everything is still frozen :-[
Armin, I received Sunspot two years ago, but it hasn't flowered for me, so I can't
tell anything if it is fertile or sterile! Hopefully in the next week I will have first flowers!
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Mark,
Sunspot really is fantastic!! That contrast between the gold and the dark style is brilliant!!
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The middle painting is very nice.
'Sunspot' came from Potterton's in England http://www.pottertons.co.uk/pott/view_product.php?pid=1154 (http://www.pottertons.co.uk/pott/view_product.php?pid=1154)
Mark,
thank you very much. I put it on my wish list.
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Good morning and a Happy New Year everybody!
Phantastic photos here - in my own garden everything is still frozen :-[
Armin, I received Sunspot two years ago, but it hasn't flowered for me, so I can't
tell anything if it is fertile or sterile! Hopefully in the next week I will have first flowers!
Hallo Thomas,
please tell me when open - I'll visit your garden again!
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I dont think they were £10 pounds earlier this summer. Their other good one sieberi 'Ronald Ginns' is looking good right now.
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me also!
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me also!
Maybe one day! ;D
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Here's C. baytopiorum again - just bootiful, chrysanthus 'Sunspot' (again) and it's spot, imperati and cvii whatever .. and lastly what I get up to at work on a Sunday
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Glorious pics!! That 'Sunspot' is just so impressive. I do love the purity of cvijicii as well though.
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Beautiful images Mark.
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thanks but it's the flower that makes the shot!
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Partially Mark, but you've got to frame and prepare it properly, and the flower doesn't do THAT for you!! ;D
And it was The Booker complimenting you too, so that's got to be worth a lot!! 8)
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I have a few chrysanthus in flower but it is warm and dull and so they are elongating and falling over without opening.This happens every year and is a problem with the autumn and early spring ones.
Here are a couple that made it on a sunny day last week.
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Welcome to the Forum Tony. Nice crocuses.
I am looking forward to seeing some more of your crocuses. If you have been lurking (or have browsed the old boards) you will know that we have an active community of crocus enthusiasts here. We are lucky to have some members who live in reach of wild crocuses but it as very good to have another well travelled 'croconut' join us.
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A warm welcome from another croconut, Tony!
In my garden they are still sleeping, so please show
us more of your collection!
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Welcome Tony, would you feel it possible to give us a clue as to where you garden? It's always useful to compare plants and growth patterns with others.
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I garden near Preston in the NW of England. We have our own little micro climate.It never seems to be really cold but it rains almost every day. 2007 we had less than 20 days without some rain.Nearly 3 inches so far this week, great for growing perrenials and lots of other plants but flowering the crocus is a challenge.I have been growing bulbs for 40 years and have seen a lot in the wild,seventeen visits to Turkey,and almost as many to Greece. I have only a marginal interest in photography so do not expect plant portraits.
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Hello, Tony, how lovely to have you join us. Great to have someone join with all your experience of trips to Croco-country, too!
I was just feeling miserable about our weather here in Aberdeen when i read about your few rainless days in Preston and suddenly I felt much better! Ity must indeed be a challenge to keep your crocus happy there but SO worth the :D effort, eh?
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While I was looking for some details about Crocus for Thomas H. I came acros this old picture by Elisabeth Bartning in an old Gartenschφnheit, 1939.
Hope Crocus lovers like it too?
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Yes, they do :)
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WE certainly do!
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A warm welcome Tony! By the way, I would be happy if we had 20 days with rain. In the year 2007 we had a precipitation of 400 mm.
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ohh I like that Crocus. Welcome to bulboholics anonymous
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Tony,
welcome to the forum from another "beginner" croconut.
I like your pic of C.cyprius. I seems to be a tiny crocus speci brother...
In my lawn a few buds of C.imperati were visible last weekend but nothing in flower yet.
Will check progress of growth when I'm back home again this weekend.
Luit,
nice picture. This will be certainly an inspiration for my wife who recently started painting as a hobby.
The first crocus flower painting I've already ordered and I'm already anxious to see it finished.
When it becomes a displayable result - I'll certainly will not hide for other intrigued croconuts... ;D
Mark,
C.chrysanthus "Sunspot" is 8)
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Hi all
Happy new year and gardening success with no desease and pests for our loved plants.
To day flowers Crocus biflorus ssp crewei . Pic under artificial light because evening. I will make better to morrow with sun perhaps ?! with Crocus imperati too
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Gorgeous flower Dominique - I do hope you have some sunshine so that you can show it under natural light - should be even better !
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Here's another picture of old Crocus out of Flora and Sylva 1904.
Most interesting I found the text.
(I'll put one of Narcissus into the Bulbs General)
Hope you enjoy it.
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thanks Luc and Luit
To day very few sun but some Crocus fine.
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and an other
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Dominique your photos are great but those 1280 pixels wide are just too big to view. The 640 wide are great or up to 700 would be good
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ok Mark. Best whishes for your snowdrops
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Here is part of a small group of C. dalmaticus in the garden. Lots of others up also
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Some of mine in flower today
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and a few more
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very nice selection of Crocus.
Tony/Ian can I feed my Crocus? If yes with what?
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I never feed mine,they are cleaned and repotted in fresh compost each year and most seem to do fine.I know others feed regularly and I am considering trying with a dilute feed but have not thought which to use yet.I sometimes have very bad years when a number make very small corms but this is in some cases down to the weather and in others that I am poor at growing them.
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Some great Crocus' there Tony !
I'm intrigued by the C. biflorus crewei - yours has black anthers - the one Dominique showed on the previous page doesn't - can anybody shed any light on this ??
Thanks
Luc
(apprentice croconut ;D)
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very nice selection of Crocus.
Tony/Ian can I feed my Crocus? If yes with what?
A little Sulphate of Potash perhaps, just as the leaves start to go over?
Lovely photographs Tony and Dominique, C. biflorus crewi is something special. Dammit, all of them are special :D
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According to Mathew in 'The Crocus' ssp crewii has dark anthers. Those in Dominique's last picture would seem to be so although difficult to tell from the picture once they have dehisced.
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I have not seen them black, perhaps before they have dehisced. I see them only by night from monday to saturday in the morning !!! is it wrong ? (Holland origin)
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Tony your Crocuses are fantastics . Thank you for those pics
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Here's a nice ghost of a reticulatus. Tony G is it possible it will stay like this?
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Mark - generally external markings remain the same each year. I have never seen such a pale C reticulatus. More pics please.
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Tony,
Any chance of enlightening us on the matter of C. crewei raised higher in the thread ?
Thanks
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Dominique, I have biflorus ssp crewei from the same source, and I'm not
sure if this one is true - it has yellow anthers. This form came originally from
person with many mixed up and wrongly named stocks. :( It is very hard
to give an ID to a biflorus without knowing its origin, so I can't help
with its correct name. Tony's form looks indeed like the true ssp crewei!
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Tony G/Thomas can I feed Crocus now especially those I did not repot this year
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Mark,
BD says he would be tempted to leave feeding until the end of January, but your plants are so far ahead of ours in growth that you could feed if the weather were to stay mild. You may need to re-feed if lots of water is liable to wash out the feed too quickly.
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so tomato feed would be OK
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mild = most of autumn so far
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Mark, tomato feed has quite a lot of nitrogen but if they weren't fed last year then that would be okay, but not best. We're back to ye olde Sulphate of potash for preference!
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so tomato feed would be OK
I use Chempak No.8, 12.5:25:25 NPK.
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OK I have that too.
Andrew I havent seen Chempak ferts over here
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At last, this Crocus korolkowii has been sitting waiting for nearly a month now. Some sunshine on it today persuaded it to open for a short while.
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Any chance of enlightening us on the matter of C. crewei raised higher in the thread ?
If you are referring to the colour of the anthers I would agree with the opinion that the anthers of older flowers often appear yellow as the pollen hides the outer 'black' surfaces. I have observed the same change with age in C biflorus melantherus. Perhaps as the anthers open the black outer surface curls back on itself which would also serve to obscure the original colour.
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This arrived today with a request to publicise it. I will be there!!! Will you?
Crocus Open Day
Tuesday 26 February 2008
at the Hillside Event Centre, Wisley Garden
A day has been arranged to coincide with the current trial of Spring-flowering Crocus which is now in its second year.
With special guest appearance of Janis Ruksans, who is flying in from Latvia to give the background on the many cultivars he has submitted to the trial.
The day will start at 10:30 with coffee
10.45 Brian Mathew : General Introduction to Crocus
11.20 Alan Edwards : Cultivation of Crocus
11.55 Roger Holland : Bowles and the C. chrysanthus hybrids
12.30 Janis Ruksans : Crocus in the Wild
12.30 13.00 Questions and Answers Session
14.00 15.30 Tours of the Trial of Spring-flowering Crocus, in the Rock Frame Yard, with Committee members and crocus people present to answer questions.
All attendees are invited to bring crocus for interest or identification
Tickets are £5.00. Places are limited, so early booking is recommended.
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Crocus Day at Wisley on Tuesday 26 February 2008
I will be attending the morning talks Yes No
I would like to attend a tour of the trial in the afternoon Yes No
I will be bringing some plants for identification/interest Yes No
Names of guests for morning talks
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Name
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Please print
Address
Tel:
Email:
I enclose a cheque (£5 per person) for
£
made out to: The Royal Horticultural Society
Please return to:
RHS Event Booking, PO Box 313, London SW1P 2PE
Tel: Event Booking Hotline 0845 612 1253
For more information contact : RHS Trials Office Tel: 01483 212440 email: trials@rhs.org.uk
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This is why I hate being stuck on an island! Why couldnt they tell us a year ago so I could arrange a cheap flight and accomodation?! Same goes for their Hepatica day. grrrr
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I'm stuck on an Island too - but mine's bigger than yours :D
Besides 26 Feb is a bit late unless winter decides to turn up down here. Most crocus will be well over by then :(
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I'm stuck in teaching so Tuesdays are out. :(
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I can guarantee the provenance of my biflorus crewii as I collected the seed my self. Apart from angustifolius which I got from a friend this applies to all my crocus. The one thing I cannot always guarantee is the names particularly of the different biflorus.
On the subject of feeding maybe I will give it a go.
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Tony G. I have copied the Crocus Open Day info to the Events page for a little extra exposure.
How we would LOVE to attend :-\
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"Besides 26 Feb is a bit late unless winter decides to turn up down here. Most crocus will be well over by then"
Tony, that C. korolkowii is the first of our early flowering crocus to even give a hint of perfoming! The rate that they are going this year we will be enjoying them in August :P
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My Spring flowering Crocus are behind as well although the Autumn flowerers were all early.
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"I use Chempak No.8, 12.5:25:25 NPK."
Hi:
Please correct me if I'm wrong but years ago we used another Chempak formula that was even higher in potassium and vey little nitrogen.
Regards
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I don't live on an island, but the event takes place on an island so the problem is the same :( ;D
I'm already planning to visit the Harlow show on March 1st, can't get accross the channel every week :'(
Tony G., thanks for the biflorus explanation.
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"I use Chempak No.8, 12.5:25:25 NPK."
Hi:
Please correct me if I'm wrong but years ago we used another Chempak formula that was even higher in potassium and vey little nitrogen.
Chempak No. 4 is a high Potash feed but I don't know the NPK numbers.
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Chempak No. 4 == N.P.K. 15 - 15 - 30
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Hi. to everybody
It is very pleasant to see all thesee nice crocus.
Dominique! I think your C. pestalozzae is not right. It looks more as a C. sieberi to me. My C. pestalozzae has very long and thiny leaves which started to grow last month and not flowered yet.
For black anthers of biflorus, I think this is not a main feature for many ssp. of biflorus. For example,
C. biflorus. crewei, isauricus, nubigena, pseudonubige, and melantherus can have black or yellow anthers. I hope to have chance to see them on the wild next month.
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Good luck for your trip, Ibrahim... we hope you see lots, too, then you can show us the photos! :D
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Hi Maggi:
Thanks, that is right, that was nr. 4. It looked like blue sugar in a ligth blue paper packing.
Regards.
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It looked like blue sugar in a light blue paper packing.
Oh, Alberto, I will be most careful if I take coffee at your house!! ::)
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"Besides 26 Feb is a bit late unless winter decides to turn up down here. Most crocus will be well over by then"
Tony, that C. korolkowii is the first of our early flowering crocus to even give a hint of perfoming! The rate that they are going this year we will be enjoying them in August :P
I think the RHS should be holding the trials / event in Dunblane then - they don't call Surrey the Banana Belt for nothing! .... I'll be glad to be wrong though :)
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Dear Maggi:
That was many years ago. Sulphate of potash, that we have been using 1980, doesn't look like sugar at all!
Regards
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Tony on your bigger island you can drive to an event. Do you think the RHS is excluding the working class by holding all events during the week.
I was hoping for a good show of Crocus for a display table in my garden during our snowdrop day. I had a great display for our meeting last Saturday. Despite two signs reading "Please do not touch the flowers or lift the pots" people continue to do so. Why do ole dolls swing hand bags around flowers or set them down between the pots grrrr
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Mark - I dunno why you fink I'm not working class ;D
Actually I like midweek events, my working class work is busiest at weekends and if I'm not working its all kidstuff! The family diary is so full that I don't look like making it to any AGS shows this spring :'(
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Despite two signs reading "Please do not touch the flowers or lift the pots" people continue to do so. Why do ole dolls swing hand bags around flowers or set them down between the pots grrrr
Mark, perhaps you yourself will have to invest in a handbag and swing it to good effect around those who swing theirs near your flowers and pots. A NZ rugby player, very tough and macho, used a very fetching little pink leather number in a pub last year, to defend a lady who was getting unwanted attention from someone else. Worked a treat and made him famous for reasons other than his playing skills. Of course our Australian friends used the incident to computer-generate a full All Black team, complete with pink handbags, performing a haka before a big match. But we know how to laugh at ourselves - we've had to do it so often. ::)
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Just in case you were thinking that I had given up actually growing crocuses here are a few that are in flower here now. (I have posted so many before that I am always in danger of repeating myself!)
Crocus cyprius - wonderfully intense golden throat.
Crocus sieberi ssp sieberi - the first of many
Crocus danfordiae (orange/yellow form) - and a shot with Crocus chrysanthus to show just how small C danfordiae is.
Crocus biflorus ssp ?isauricus - nice lilac form
Crocus biflorus ssp unknown - why do the cutworms always go for the best ones first >:(
Crocus biflorus melantherus - spring flowering form
I will try and get another shot of the ssp melantherus when the flower has aged and we can see if the anthers still look as dark.
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I have posted so many before that I am always in danger of repeating myself!)
Tony, they are so lovely they can bear repeating! Anyway, lots of folks only read the current pages and do not use the search facility to go through either this forum or the archived version so they would be seeing anyting for the first time 8)
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Ibrahim, my pestallozae is very little flower with black point at the base of anther not very visible on my pic, and cannot be sieberi. I will try to send a better pic if sun this week end
Tony, fantastic pics of lovely Crocus. Thank you
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Dominique so you might be right flower size and shape looks like. Which I have seen this species on wild has
very long leaves twice of flowers or more. Maybe cause of growing conditions or yours is a early flowered one.
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Tony, those pics are lovely. Keep 'em coming. I defy anyone not to smile when looking at the first one (Crocus cyprius, as they just smile back. 8)
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Lovely pictures Tony. Thought you had, maybe, lost your camera! ;D
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Some more in flower now.They are flowering in a very erratic sequence this year.
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and here it is, Lesley
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JL9ThdmZkFs (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JL9ThdmZkFs)
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Crocus chrysanthus 'Sunspot' today with 37 flowers from 3 corms. If it can do this every year all you need is one per pot
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Those C. 'Sunspot' are a pot full of pleasure if ever I saw one.... glad to see you, like Hans (in another thread) also had some sun today, Mark.
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here it is again from a better angle - editing todays photos and posting as I go
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that really is a cracking variety Mark. It's down on my wants list from Potterton's next year.
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Thanks for the link Mark. I'd forgotten about that one. Also forgotten the handbags themselves apparently. I remembered them as All Pinks.
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I saw it at 10 £ each in Potterton's catalogue - but seeing the result ....... :o
It's smashing !
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37 flowers from 3 corms
I saw it at 10 £ each in Potterton's catalogue - but seeing the result .......
It's smashing !
It really is a good plant..... show me the snowdrop that can do that, 37 flowers from 3 bulbs!! :o
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:P
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I've just bought all remainining stock to sell at £15 each
Only joking of course - but I did buy some more.
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What do you think, Thomas?
http://www.pottertons.co.uk/pott/browse.php?folder=205 (http://www.pottertons.co.uk/pott/browse.php?folder=205)
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Here's C. alatavicus from a few different angles
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Crocus chrysanthus 'Sunspot' today with 37 flowers from 3 corms. If it can do this every year all you need is one per pot
Can't believe it :o :o :o
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Crocus cyprius - wonderfully intense golden throat.
Tony, I fully agree. Very lovely.
By chance do you have a picture of the outer markings?
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37 flowers from three corms .... If it really is that vigorous it should soon get cheaper :) :)
I suspect Dutch origins for the corms. They seem to be able to produce the most fantastically strong bulbs, it can be difficult to maintain that kind of performance but here's hoping!!
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He says it's his own seedling
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What do you think, Thomas?
http://www.pottertons.co.uk/pott/browse.php?folder=205 (http://www.pottertons.co.uk/pott/browse.php?folder=205)
Mark, I'm not sure what exactly you mean, but all the photos on this website look true!
You have some great plants in your collection!!!
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Is it possible a nursery will have a good true selection of chrysanthus. No reply from Jan for your previous query
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If the photos are made from their own collection this looks like
a reliable source for true cultivars. But if they still sell Dutch
stocks they aren't.
Seems like Jan is not intersted :'(
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Knowing Rob if he says its his own seedling then I'd take his word for it, however the web site says 'originallly raised at this nursery' ... that might mean the current stocks came from a different source. Its a fabulous plant, I hope it does well. Some of their material has its origins abroad but this is a resourceful business, material comes from a variety of sources and stocks are held and grown on site.
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fabulous pics Mark.Thank you. I dream of it for the next year too
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if you havent ordered it yet do so soon. He told me last night all orders are taken subject to availability. Remember there are 1000s of lurkers watching what we say and show
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S'OK Mark, if he sells out we know where to get some. ;)
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I would have thought everyone would have bought at least one corm from Robert last year when the catalogue came out. Especially after Janis showed a photo of it at the early bulb show and his Irish lectures
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Leonid Bondarenko has updated his catalogue site:
http://www.litbulbgarden.com/
You will find dramatic price reduce on his reticulata x angustifolius hybrids!
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These are some natural hybrids between C. chrysanthus and C. biflorus pulchricolor from Ulu dag in Turkey. They occur where late flowering chrysanthus meet early flowering biflorus. They are fertile and I have the next generation seedlings coming on. Sorry about one falling over but it is warm wet and dark here.
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They look super Tony !
Thanks
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I really like these warm browns
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Tony! these are very nice hybrids.
The last one looks more C. biflorus ssp. pulchricolor. I have seen some C. b. pulchricolor from Ankara. They were nearly like your last one.
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Fascinating hybrids TW - Bizarrely I have seen similar hybrid on a Norwich roadside verge where c mixture of blue, white and yellow hybrids are planted. I did post a pic in last February thread. I will see if I can find it again.
http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=228.30
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Tony behind the hut at the entrance to the National Park where you pay your fee there was a soldier with a large gun and bit of waste ground and about 20 feet by 6 feet with hundreds of mixed hybrids in every colour combination imaginable growing through rubbish .
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TG.. I remember when you showed those hybrids but I cannot find them on the page you cite, or any a few back or forward.... any closer tips?
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TG.. I remember when you showed those hybrids but I cannot find them on the page you cite, or any a few back or forward.... any closer tips?
And the same for me, please.
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Hi Guys - sorry you cound not find the pics they are on a post dated 25 Feb 2007 in the Crocus February 2007 thread. I am away from home at the moment so I cannot re-post them.
(Possibly the link I posted is influenced by my preference of having 'most recent post first' - if yours is set to have the posts in the order they were posted what is my page 3 from Feb 2007 will be your page 16 ... does that make any sense :-\)
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TG.. I remember when you showed those hybrids but I cannot find them on the page you cite, or any a few back or forward.... any closer tips?
Tony's Earlham Road pictures are on page 15 of the link http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=228.210 (http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=228.210)
Tony W. , a very desireable beautiful hybrid. 8)
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Tony G they are amazing. I presume you did not have a man pointing a gun at you thinking you were a nutter for being on your knees looking at some weeds when taking your photographs!
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These?
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Tony W - if you fancy a trip south I can take you to the very spot - if you are prepared to risk the threat from heavily armed traffic wardens :) ... and yes I did feel a bit of a nutter as I wandered around the verges, more than one passer by offered to help me find whatever I had lost!
Mark - thanks for that.
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Is there a way of vegetatively propagating crocuses, other than waiting for them to split?
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People aren't allowed to walk their dogs on the grass verges in Norwich?
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Is there a way of vegetatively propagating crocuses, other than waiting for them to split?
I think there was a short discussion about this last year. And as I recall someone said you can cut crocus into chips down through the basal plate and hope to get the chips growing on and eventually putting up leaves, although they don't actually produce a new cormlet from the chip - it's the chip itself which produces a leaf. Does anyone know more about chipping corms?
That may be based on the fact that crocus corms can be induced to form offsets by removing the growing point. This encourages new cormlets to shoot from around the sides of the corm. So if you were chipping a corm, you'd need to cut off the shoot(s) at the top, just as you cut off the top part of a snowdrop bulb for chipping.
But this is all just conjecture as I've never personally tried chipping or decapitating a crocus.
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I have taken off the main growing point a few times to try and get the dormant buds around the edges to shoot. Sometimes it works and a few grow away which then make very tiny corms.Other times just one moves and you have lost that years flower and also risked losing the corm through disease. The same can be tried with arisaema.Not the best idea I find and only to be tried if you have a surplus in the first place which really negates the whole idea.
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Thanks, Martin. Maybe I'll have a go with something common first!
Here are a couple of my crocuses, and I apologise for the poor photographs: Crocus korolkowii 'Mountain Glory', competing with 'Sunspot', this is one corm and I've already removed 3 flowers. Thank you Thomas (it has 3 noses now)!
Crocus baytopiorum, which is falling over as soon as it opens, but is such a lovely colour.
Crocus imperati 'de Jaeger form', at least that's what I have it as, any comments?
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Anne,
your C.korolkowii "Mountains Glory" is very impressive for just one corm 8) It can compete with Marks C. chrysanthus "Sunspot"!
All my crocus are in the open. They still waiting for better weather. I saw some orange shining shots (C.ancryensis) in my lawn which will be next open. But my first crocus in my lawn is C.imperati De Jager.
To my total surprise I found a C.speciosus in flower!
It has terrible suffered from the stormy days and I regret the poor quality.
It is the first time I found this autuum species mid January in flower. A latecomer... ::)
Does anybody has made such a experience too?
brgds
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I have the odd flower on Colchicum agrippinum.
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We have sometimes had a Crocus speciosus throw up a flower very late.... not perhaps as late as this, but in December. We do have one Crocus banaticus form which gives late flowers and we find that our C. banaticus have a very wide flowering season anyway, depending on the clone.
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Maybe Tony G will tell us the difference between imperati, imperati suaveolens and imperati 'De Jager'
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A quote from Tony elsewhere.... "Crocus imperati, which is officially a spring flowering
species can flower as early as December. Native to Western Italy it
flowers in the wild from January to March, buff coloured buds marked
with purple stripes opening to reveal bright lilac purple inside the
flower. There are two subspecies separated by small botanical
differences. Despite the often inclement winter weather this species
makes a good garden plant in well drained soils in a sunny spot. I
have seen buds encased in ice after a January snowfall open in perfect
shape a week later. In a cool settled spell the plant can be in
flower for four or five weeks at a time of year when there is little
colour in the garden. Some specialist bulb suppliers offer a form
named 'De Jager' which is probably a form of subspecies suaveolens.
Subspecies imperati, which may have larger more extravagantly marked
flowers, is occasionally offered by the seed distributions."
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Also see here: http://www.srgc.org.uk/discus/messages/5012/22898.html for forms from Mark, John Forrest and Tony G.
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And this Bulb Log feedback page : http://www.srgc.org.uk/discus/messages/321/1408.html which also refers to Log no 3 of 2004... don't know why the feedback page refers to 2002 ? ??? :-[ :-\
The Log in question is here: Log No. 3 ....14th January 2004 http://www.srgc.org.uk/bulblog/log2004/140104/log.html
Today, 20th January 2008, this lovely croucus is sitting waiting for another day of sunshine, perhaps with warm sunshine, to open it!
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Anne W - that is a very fine pot of C baytopiorum. I take my hat off to anyone who can produce such a healthy potful. Is it all one clone or a seed raised form? (And where did you get it? ;)
Crocus imperati ssp suaveolens does not have a bracteole (the second, smaller papery bract around the flower). The flowers are generally smaller and less well marked than ssp imperati. BUT ssp suaveolens seems to be more widely grown and is still a beauty. The form 'de Jager' which is widely available from specialist bulb merchants is a clone so, Mark, they should always look the alike, even down to the external markings.
Tony Willis observations on increasing crocuses are well founded. Seed is best if you can get it.
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Yes, Tony, Anne's pot of Crocus baytopiorum is very good... we don't find it very willing to increase... a great shame when it is such a lovely colour.
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To day bright sun....Crocus open
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and others
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the end !!!
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Lots of lovely Crocus, Do, yours are ahead of ours here.
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Not only lovely crocus but lovely sunshine - I've almost forgotten what that is :'(
Dominique - How long lived is your Crocus ancyrensis. I have been disappointed with the corms that I have bought in the past. They do not maintain their vigour over many years. Here in the garden they flower in January but fall over in the dull weather. By the second year corms are too small to make flowers, in the third year nothing.
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Maggi, The sun was bright to day with a march temperature, and perhaps because we are most in the Sud. Patience ! The daylight is longer with 45 mn more than christmas.
Tony, it's a problem in fact to have that dutch clone very old. The best to my mind is to repot them quickly or let them in the ground in sun spot. But I am not sure. My oldest are 5 years
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Wow. 8 pages of Crocus awaiting me after just a week. Fantastic. Mark, your 'Sunspot' is getting even MORE impressive. I wonder how long it will take to get out to Australia!!? Somehow I doubt once settled into my conditions I'd be getting that impressive a flowering though!! ;)
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Paul I've pollinated all of the flowers so if I I get seed your at the top of the list
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What a great show everyone - I loooooove the Crocus season - mine, outside, are showing very erraticly - some flowers or out while others of the same clump are not even showing foliage yet. I guess our temperatures of 12 or 13 degrees over the last few weeks might be the cause of that.
No pictures yet - I await some sunshine.... :-\
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12 or 13 degrees over the last few weeks
Luxury, I tell you, luxury!!
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Maybe we should realize it is luxury Maggi - but we don't, as we're still complaining we haven't seen the Sun for over two weeks now... ;D
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the end !!!
Dominique, a beautiful collection.
I'll monitor C. ancyrensis in my lawn the next couple of weeks if it is so short lived as Tony G. presumes.
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Paul I've pollinated all of the flowers so if I I get seed your at the top of the list
Mark, I'm very interested in if "Sunspot" is sterile or sets seed.
Good luck for successful pollination.
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A quick down to a gloomy greenhouse and frames today revealed a sad scene. Its been warm and very dull - All crocuses horizontal, not from wind and rain but just etiolation :'( :'( :'(
However, a few days ago I did catch a moment when the light was better and just a few nice shots to show you.
Crocus biflorus ssp alexandrii. Note the pale purple wash on the outer petals, the 'trade' form has much darker outers.
Crocus sieberi ssp sublimis. A small form, very slightly veined.
Crocus kerndorffiorum x leichtlinii. A 'new' hybrid. Saving the best until last this is a stunner. In sunlight you would just drool!! Last year the small corm made just one flower, this year two shoots give three flowers. Hopefully next year 2 corms and lots of flowers. (And then you can start asking .... ;) I don't grow either of the parents - there is a swap just waiting to happen :))
Hoping for some sun and cold weather before its too late.
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Tony I'm sure there will be another flush of flowers
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Tony I have missed to see your crocuses. You are right your C. biflorus ssp alexandrii looks very simmeler
to my C. biflorus ssp. weldenii.
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Sorry for the delay in replying, our server's been down. To paraphrase somebody - so many posts, so litte time!
Re the C baytopiorum, I can claim no credit for this species, I originally obtained it from seed from one of the exchanges, and it has since increased happily by division, but more from seed which it sets freely. I now have 4 potfuls like that! It just lives in the plunge with all my daffs and other crocus and gets the same treatment as these. If anyone would like seed or a bulb or two email me privately.
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Here's Crocus aff. sieberi PJC215 - first closed yesterday and then opened in all it's glory in today's sunshine
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Forgot another one :
Crocus reticulatus subs. reticulatus
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Hi Luc,
very nice sieberi. Like it.
What is your experience with C.reticulatus ?
Is it happily increasing?
I'm concerned if it fit/is able to adapt to my loamy soil of my lawn/garden.
brgds
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Hello, Armin.... not out partying to celebrate your birthday?
Luc... lovely Crocus
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Crocus kerndorffiorum x leichtlinii. A 'new' hybrid. Saving the best until last this is a stunner. In sunlight you would just drool!!
Hi Tony,
a nice one. Very high contrast by the red/orange style.
Please show us (me ;D) more of your collection...
brgds
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Hi Maggi,
sorry - no party at all today - I'm still at work and off home :o
I'll finish my work soon - just checking the new replies...
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What a shame! Perhaps Frau Ruby will have a good supper and a nice glass of wine for you...
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Nice show Luc.
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Thanks all.
Armin,
The C. reticulatus is new for me - I "invested" in 3 corms from Janis Ruksans last year. I will have to wait and see what happens next. They seem to have overwintered ok so I'm optimist.
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What a shame! Perhaps Frau Ruby will have a good supper and a nice glass of wine for you...
No shame, Maggi! Business before pleasure!
In opposite - she benefits and does not hesitate to spend my money ;D
Next weekend -promised- is family time.
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12 or 13 degrees over the last few weeks
Luxury, I tell you, luxury!!
Maggi,
Here, we actually got down to around 9'C the other night.... THAT was sheer luxury. So nice to actually want the window closed as the house doesn't need any cooling. Each night at the moment we have a fan in the bedroom, facing away from the window to try to draw cool air in. Only 27'C today, but staying very warm and steamy tonight.
Soo cool to think about all you guys in winter at the moment, while we're summer!!
Some wonderful picture everyone, and thanks for thinking of me Mark re Sunspot. I'm trying not to sow too much in the way of seed at the moment, as I already have heaps stored from last year because our water situation was looking so bad. There are things I'll make exceptions for though!! ;D Doesn't stop me buying treasures from Marcus Harvey in Tasmania either though!! ::)
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my first crocus for this spring ( or winter )
2 x Crocus hartmannianus from Cyprus
Crocus korolkowii
Crocus michelsonii from Turkmenistan
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Crocus michelsonii is one of those very few trying to open here... the sun we are getting is too little and for too short a time.
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Great pix Dirk !
Difficult to choose from - I love the dark heart of the C. korolkowii !
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Maggi you and Ian should head south for the winter months and have two gardens one for summer bulbs and one for winter
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Ian has already headed south for the winter! He has a new, high altitude garden planted almost entirely with Ranunculus species, especially RR. buchananii and lyalii. :D Maggi may join him soon.
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Dirk,
I love all three of the species. What beauties. Only come across korolkowii before, but the others are just gorgeous. Well that's two more species I need to look out for now!! ::)
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I think this is Crocus chrysanthus 'Gypsy Girl', though I'm not sure, I received it from an old lady who has hundreds in her garden. Quite common, I think, but at this time of the year every "common" plant is welcomed here. But because of it is on the windowsill, it always bends towards the light, and I have to rotate it every day ;D
Nearby, in the same pot there are some Galanthus, but there are only buds now. I like to put many different bulbs in the same pot, it looks so nice if flowering at the same time! In last years I planted them out in the garden after flowering but now, learning from Ian the feeding ;), I will try to grow them in pots.
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Here are a some from me. The first Bowles White (thank you Thomas) C Corsicus and C gargaricus ssp gargaricus. Perhaps someone can confirm this for me and explain the difference between the two sub species
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Ian,
I have to ask...... is that definitely Crocus corsicus? It looks to me more like one of the imperatii? Different enough to have sprung to mind as soon as I saw it, and on going and checking pics of my own it definitely looks like what I have under that name anyway, not corsicus?
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Ian - your Crocus corsicus does look like C imperati de Jager. See the pics earlier in this thread. At least they are both nice ones and command the same price.
Below is a crocus I received as C cvijicii but it is actually Crocus angustifolius. The price was fair for the plant I (we? did you also order it?) got but a pity the source was unable to supply correct names.
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I ordered cvijicii last year to build my own stocks but it hasnt flowered yet. My own from a couple of years ago are now over. Did you buy from a UK nursery?
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Is the angustifolius really that orange, with such dark outer markings? The picture is striking!!
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Tony you are right how did you know I had bought cvijicii but it hasn't flowered yet but I will bet it will be the same only one supplier offered this as far as I know.
I have also bought Corsicus from Janis R but this is not in flower yet. Here is another picture of the offending crocus showing the inside
Tony do you have a view on the gargaricus please?
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I bought Crocus cvijicii also, did yours come with the (is the word epithet?) kosanin? If so we probably bought from the same supplier, in which case there is a picture of it on his Web Site. Mine are in bud but not open yet, I will take a picture when I can.
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They were too cheap to be true anyway. I suppose I'm, was it me?, to blame for promoting the web site on the forum.
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They were too cheap to be true anyway. I suppose I'm, was it me?, to blame for promoting the web site on the forum.
No blame Mark, overall I was very satisfied with what I bought. They are a good firm to deal with and I shall certainly use them next year as well.
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Lovely day here today just as Winter days should be, a good frost to start with and then clear blue sky all day. My front garden, unlike my back garden where my new bulb bed is situated, gets all the sun when it is available so at long last most of my front garden Crocuses were open for a change.
Here are a couple of pictures of Crocus chrysanthus Ard Schenk and being pollinated as well.
After further research I have corrected my spelling of this Crocuses name and established that it was named after a famous Dutch speed skater.
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So that's where all the good weather is David. Some lovely Crocus pics below . There are a few pushing through here but all tightly furled due to the grey gloom.
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Went into the greenhouse about 1pm and found that the Cvijicii so called was flowering (I put one in a pot and the rest outside). Same as Tony's nice though and like most angustifolius has died out here - a slow death. I agree with David the firm that supplied these normally supplies good product be that it seems they lean toward Narcissus and I have had no complaints. Might be useful to email a picture to them as undoubtedly they will have bought these in in good faith
Tony In relation to your earlier point re my posting of Corsicus strangely when I went to the greenhouse there were single bulbs of corsicus from another source and imperati suaveolens next to each other in flower. There seems little difference except the stigma is larger and more coloured on this corsicus and the outer of the imperati is more cream with the feathering
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So that's where all the good weather is David. Some lovely Crocus pics below . There are a few pushing through here but all tightly furled due to the grey gloom.
Hi John, the best day today for some weeks, I'd almost forgotten there was a sun up there. I sent you a PM a couple of days ago about Campanula Edward Forrest did you get it OK?
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In response to discussion about yellow crocuses, I have three in flower
C cvijicii (the true one, I think?)
C gargaricus ssp gargaricus (I don't know the difference, Ian between this and the other subspecies but I think they come from different parts of Turkey)
C sieheanus (not a very good picture, sorry)
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I have this labelled as C dalmaticus petrovac (Please, croconuts could you confirm or otherwise?)
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Diane I believe three are correct but I dont know about Crocus sieheanus
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In response to discussion about yellow crocuses, I have three in flower
C cvijicii (the true one, I think?)
C gargaricus ssp gargaricus (I don't know the difference, Ian between this and the other subspecies but I think they come from different parts of Turkey)
C sieheanus (not a very good picture, sorry)
Lovely crocuses there Diane especially the sieheanus which is a new one on me.
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my first crocus for this spring ( or winter )
2 x Crocus hartmannianus from Cyprus
Crocus korolkowii
Crocus michelsonii from Turkmenistan
Hello Dirk,
the Crocus hartmannianus is great! Exiting blue markings outside and an egg yellow heart. Beautiful.
Is it increasing easily?
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A couple of questions to answer.
Crocus gargaricus ssp gargaricus and ssp herbertii are very similar, Mathew did not recognise ssp herbertii in his monograph. It is said that ssp herbertii increases by producing stolons and this is the principle distinction. An account of this plant and a photograph are to be found in the Quarterly Bulletin of the Alpine Garden Society Vol 68, No 2, pp205-206. There may be other factors to observe, presence/absence of leaves at flowering and the distribution in the wild might be relevant - Tony W has seen them in the wild and might be able to help. In my limited experience ssp gargaricus is easier to cultivate being more tolerant of the drier summers here, it sets a little seed for increase.
Crocus corsicus vs Crocus imperati is a topic that has been discussed before. I often assert that the flowers are not the best parts of the plants to use when distinguishing between crocus. In this case the commonly grown forms of the two species in question are superficially similar, especially in flower. Crocus corsicus is generally the smaller of the two in flower and has fewer, narrower leaves. Crocus imperati has a strongly yellow throat to the flower while Crocus corsicus should not have this feature. The problems start with the 'trade' clone of C corsicus which appears to have some yellow in the throat. Perhaps this clone is of hybrid origins? Another generalisation is that Crocus imperati is usually an early flowering species while Crocus corsicus is often amongst the last to flower. I have added some pictures which may help to clarify the situation. The image of the two taxa side by side is probably the most useful. There is a pic of a potful of Crocus imperati seedlings showing a good range of variation and several shots of Crocus corsicus raised form wild seed which serve to show that this taxa is quite variable .
As a postscript Crocus corsicus is more likely to be confused with Crocus minimus when you move away form the trade forms - here it is features of the corm tunic that are the most helpful in splitting them.
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Miserable weather continues to dog my days off (which are few and far between at present :() However I do have a few pictures taken recently to share.
Firstly a collection of Crcous biflorus forms
Crocus biflorus ssp isauricus
Crocus biflorus ssp nubigena
Crocus biflorus ssp unknown - has fabulously feathered outers (2nd pic)
Crocus biflorus form - received as ssp taurii but I am doubtful (too big and showy!)
Crocus biflorus ssp taurii - from seed, closer to description and half the size of previous
Crocus biflorus ssp weldenii - pure white form - note the cutworm damage done to emerging leaves. This pest has been much more evident here this year >:(
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I have seen gargaricus in flower on Ulu dag where it grows in thousands in very wet conditions but when I visited its site in SW Turkey near Goktepe which is probably 100 miles further south it was well over and so I cannot comment on differences in the wild.The only comment I might make is it looks to be a hotter and much drier area in the south where as well it seems to grow at a lower altitude
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Some of you may remember that I posted some pictures last year of crocus growing in a local cemetery and on the roadside verges outside. They are now coming into flower again - all I need to thrill you is a sunny day off but thats not looking likely this week :( However I did get a few shots last week to whet your appetites!
Firstly the emerging Crocus tommasinianus in the cemetery some of which have been badly chewed. I suspect squirrels - what do you think?
Then two shots of 'trade' biflorus/chrysanthus (Thomas will be able to name them for you :))
And then ..... an assortment of hybrid seedlings.
Sadly all are closed buds but it gives you a flavour of what is to come if we get lucky with the weather!
Earlham Road tommies and hybrids
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And finally for tonight a few miscellaneous crocus at home
Crocus sieberi ssp sieberi
Crocus sieberi ssp sublimis
Crocus versicolor TH06 (Thomas are yours flowering yet?)
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Here is Crocus rujanensis flowering today
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:o :o :o
Great shots everyone !
Ian,
Do I recognize RUksans JAnis in the name ?
Nice species !
Tony,
What a formidable series - I'm always amazed by the black anthers in C biflorus ssp nubigena : wonderful !
The C sieberi sieberi 204-97 is another stunner ! If ever you have one to spare ... - I could find it a good home ... ;D
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Hi Luc very good ;D I got it from a UK enthusiast /specialist. Though can't find the origin of the name. Does anyone know it is a recently described species?
Thank Tony for your efforts to clear up the my confusion with Corsicus. I have a lot of pots of seedlings of a lot of species now and if I manage to bring them to flower perhaps then I will be able to add further to my confusion.
Tony and Tony W as far as the gargaricus is concerned I too has heard ssp herbertii was quicker to increase it will be interesting to see if there is any difference when the other flowers which it is about to do
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What a glorious collection of photos during my weekend-absence!!!
Tony, my first versicolor are out, but havn't opened so far :-[
Your hybrid photos show the cultivars chrysanthus Romance (06) and Zwanenburg
Bronce (01). Those hybrids are worth collecting :o
The white ex. tauri look like the one I've found in my garden yesterday. They were
from a German supplier who has sent me sooo many wrong plants >:( >:( He's
not very reasonable, so their true origin will never be clarified :'(
Ian and Luc: Crocus rujanensis is named after the Rujan Planina in Southern Serbia!
Diane, those yellow crocus are not easy to tell apart only by a photo of the flower.
You have to look underground for your sieheanus. The corm has to look like this:
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Hi Thomas,
Quite a coοncidence with the naming of C. Rujanensis... 8)
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Wow, the biflorus nubigena is so striking. Love the feathering on the other biflorus as well. Fantastic pics everyone.... greatly enjoying them here at the moment. They remind me of exactly what will happen in spring to the corms I have been taking out of pots in preparation for their new raised garden home soon. At the moment my Crocus collection is predominantly a bunch of brown paper bags!! ::)
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Paul why don't you show us how your garden looked like before and after you have finished it?
Surely we can learn something from these photos!
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Thomas,
You don't want to see what it looks like in the before shot. I am literally building this garden across my driveway. It will straddle one of the two concrete strips that make up the driveway heading to our garage (our garage hasn't had a car in it in close to 10 years now.... it's a junk room and my potting shed! ::)). I will be making the garden out of a single height of wooden sleepers, then building up with rocks etc to create contours etc. At the moment the are is a whole bunch of pots sitting on the driveway. I actually DID take pictures originally when I worked out exactly where and how big I was going to make the garden.... it will be 2.4m x 1.8m. At the moment it is getting funds together to pay for materials that is holding me up, but I really have to get the crocus back into the ground within the next few weeks so I can't wait much longer now to do it! I may even incorporate a dwarf japanese maple into the garden as well, as I would imagine it will help keep excess moisture away from the bulbs in summer while they're dormant and the maple is in growth?
I'm looking forward to having it finished and seeing how much better the Crocus, Iris reticulatas and Narcissus bulbocodiums will grow for being "in the ground" instead of in pots. Of course then I will have to contend with seedlings coming up everywhere once everythign starts flowering better and hybridising. I can think of worse things to have to be worrying about though!! ;D
So once it is finished I may post a tiny (so you can't see TOO much detail as to how messy it currently is) picture of what it looked like beforehand. :-[
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Here is my crocus, bought as, Zwanenberg Bronze. Looking a little chewed. Is it correct Thomas?
Crocus chrysanthus Zwanenburg Bronze
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Come on Paul, post the pictures, we don't mind a mess ;D
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Nice potful David ! I hope you got hold of the nasties who chewed on it and gave them what they deserved.... ("crunch" - ;D)
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Crocus gargaricus ssp gargaricus and ssp herbertii are very similar, Mathew did not recognise ssp herbertii in his monograph. It is said that ssp herbertii increases by producing stolons and this is the principle distinction. An account of this plant and a photograph are to be found in the Quarterly Bulletin of the Alpine Garden Society Vol 68, No 2, pp205-206. There may be other factors to observe, presence/absence of leaves at flowering and the distribution in the wild might be relevant - Tony W has seen them in the wild and might be able to help. In my limited experience ssp gargaricus is easier to cultivate being more tolerant of the drier summers here, it sets a little seed for increase.
Just to be clear, the two subspecies are now recognised when Mathew did an update in The Plantsman June 2002.
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Andrew don't hold in suspense what is the difference?
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Great pictures from everyone.
Still the hazy weather conditions hold back my crocus blossoms outside :-\
I hope for more sunshine...
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Re: Crocus January 2008
« Reply #200 on: January 27, 2008, 11:03:59 PM »
Crocus gargaricus ssp gargaricus and ssp herbertii are very similar, Mathew did not recognise ssp herbertii in his monograph. It is said that ssp herbertii increases by producing stolons and this is the principle distinction. An account of this plant and a photograph are to be found in the Quarterly Bulletin of the Alpine Garden Society Vol 68, No 2, pp205-206. There may be other factors to observe, presence/absence of leaves at flowering and the distribution in the wild might be relevant - Tony W has seen them in the wild and might be able to help. In my limited experience ssp gargaricus is easier to cultivate being more tolerant of the drier summers here, it sets a little seed for increase.
Ian, Tony G. gave this answer already, yesterday!
Main differences from my reckoning are the willingness to make stolons and herbertii having bigger bracts, I think ::)
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Some of mine - taken in the sunshine yesterday :)- today overcast again... >:(
Crocus etruscus - closed and open
Crocus 'Miss Vain'
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Nice Luc. Lovely colouring on the etruscas, and Miss Vain such a pure white.
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Nice pictures Luc my etruscus is no where near flowering
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Nothing special, just some snaps of seedling toms (very) briefly open in the sun this morning. And good old imperatii 'De Jaeger'...
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Just to be clear, the two subspecies are now recognised when Mathew did an update in The Plantsman June 2002.
Thanks Andrew, I knew I had the reference somewhere! Unfortunately all he says is that there are differences and that ssp herbertii applies to plants from Ulu Dag.
.... so Ian, looks like you are off to Turkey to check it for us :D
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Super pictures everyone.
Thomas, I'm looking forward to seeing your Sea of crocus this year.
I have another two months, before I see a flower. Well I take that back. I do have all my 'Isauricus Spring Beauty', in pots and in the basement. I suppose I could bring a pot up in another 3 weeks. Their by a window, lots of grow tips poping up, and some have leaves growing.
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A couple links
Janis Ruksans 2008 catalog
http://64.233.169.104/search?q=cache:xrGM2qisjKwJ:www.remarc.com/craig/images/2008ruksans.pdf+heuffelianus+Wildlife&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=18&gl=us
Janis Ruksans Buried Treasures
http://books.google.com/books?id=imfVg9lqnKIC&pg=PA101&lpg=PA101&dq=heuffelianus+carpathian+wonder&source=web&ots=A_Ltfg8Xl-&sig=9PDdAJpVpFiuAsjGOhH4C_p9hNI#PPA57,M1
I was looking over parts of his book, what is Crocus x cultorum? Page 57.
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David, your chrysanthus "Zwanenburg Bronce" looks correct!
Guff, Crocus x cultorum is a general name for the garden variants of Crocus vernus.
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Tony atrip to Turkey could be great and I don't suppose their would be any trouble finding someone to carry my bags. Perhaps the SRGC could fund my research ;D
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Just in case anyone wishes to join me in Turkey follow this link
http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=1083.0 (http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=1083.0)
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A few more in flower today.A great day it did not rain until lunchtime.No sun but mild which made a few of them almost open
crocus cvicii greece vermio
crocus pestalozzae turkey iznik
crocus sieberi greece langada
crocus veluchensis greece mt oros
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Beautiful series Tony - C. veluchensis is wonderfully elegant !
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Just in case anyone wishes to join me in Turkey follow this link
http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=1083.0 (http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=1083.0)
Looks an excellent days lectures - I am off work that day but am obliged to attend the in laws wedding anniversary bash :-\
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My Crocus cviijcii bought last year are wrong also
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My Crocus cviijcii bought last year are wrong also
Mark,
Not only the plant itself but also your spelling. Correct is Crocus cvijicii ;) I was told it is better to play this name on the violin than to pronounce it.
Gerd
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David, your chrysanthus "Zwanenburg Bronce" looks correct!...........
Thank you Thomas.
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A few more in flower today.A great day it did not rain until lunchtime.No sun but mild which made a few of them almost open
Some smashers there Tony.
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Janis Ruksans 2008 catalog
Does Janis send out a catalogue if I ordered last year or do I have to send him another 5
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I'm afraid you'll have to send him another 5 - but he deducts it from your order :)
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I get a catalogue from Janis every year provided I ordered the previous year. I don't think you need to pay for a new one every time.
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Janis Ruksans 2008 catalog
http://64.233.169.104/search?q=cache:xrGM2qisjKwJ:www.remarc.com/craig/images/2008ruksans.pdf+heuffelianus+Wildlife&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=18&gl=us
Guff, your Link to Janis Ruksan's catalogue provides only the first 30 pages?? ???
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David there is a PDF link that has all pages, at the very top. What I posted was html version so you don't need acrobat reader to browse. The pages are cut off also in the html version, you can't see prices. I didn't notice this, since I just had clicked on the PDF link. Must be when google converts the file to html, it loses some data.
Heres link to acrobat reader download.
http://www.adobe.com/products/acrobat/readstep2.html
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I had to bring Crocus vitelinus into the kitchen lonight to get it to open.
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Ian and Diane when did you plant your C. gargaricus and how many ?
This is my C. gargaricus ssp. herbertii
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Not much different from the type I hear you say, so in the interests of science (please do not try this at home ;D), this is what it looks like under ground.
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Hopefully you can see the stolons and this is ssp. gargaricus for comparison.
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In three years this has never increased, has your's Thomas ?
Staying on the yellow theme,
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C. flavus ssp. dissectus
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Andrew, I can't give an answer - will have to check your ssp gargaricus in my garden!
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wow they blue really sets off the orange.
Anthony I like the feint stippling on the back of your Crocus
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I'm delighted to have Hubert Edelsten at last, (thank you Thomas!), but he has brought along a little friend! Do you know who it is, Thomas?
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I don't want to speak for Thomas, but his friend does seem related, doesn't he - I bet he's sieberi as well...
Hubert is a real cracker, isn't he !
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I'm very sorry, Anne, but this is (yes, Luc!) sieberi ssp atticus, which was planted
beneath Hubert Edelsten in my bed, before I replanted them in the rockgarden
two years ago. Seems like there was a tiny atticus corm which has now
reached flowering size. Will send you another true Hubert this summer!!!
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Hubert Edelsten is a wonderful plant. I was given a tiny little offset a few years ago by my friend Lyn here in Canberra and it is now up to full sized and flowering each year. I hope for offsets one of these years but it doesn't offset much at all in our climate it seems (Lyn was generous and gave me her only tiny offset after a number of years from 3 mature bulbs). I just love it!!!
Thomas and David (I think?) asked me to post pics of the area that is to be my Crocus garden....... well here they are. The (front) shot is taken standing next to the front of the car, and the (back) shot is taken standing next to the white pots with the citrus trees in them in front of the garage. The garden (raised a single sleeper) will extend from just behind the large red pot at the front to just behind where the 2 white buckets are sitting (or if you're looking at the (back) shot the garden will extend to just in front of the white buckets in that picture). The buckets incidentally are used to grow tropical waterlilies, so I can move them under the eaves in winter to protect them. The garden will start next to those green and brown pots sitting on the concrete, and the other edge will be just near the bell jar you can see in the top middle of the (back) picture. Thats 2.4m from front to back and 1.8m side to side.
See..... I told you it was a mess!! ;D
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I'm learning Thomas, I'm learning ... ;D
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Andrew I haven't and as I only have a couple won't disturb ssp gargaricus until it goes dormant but I posted a little disaster back in 2006 after the squirrels dug up ssp herbertii and on the picture you can clearly see the stolons. In my garden ssp gargaricus is also larger but that could just be soil and location. The link should take to the correct page in the old forum
http://www.srgc.org.uk/discus/messages/5012/23568.html#POST12715 (http://www.srgc.org.uk/discus/messages/5012/23568.html#POST12715)
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Just remenbered My Hubert is flowering - thanks Thomas
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Ian I hope yours is true!!!
Paul, you didn't overact - but do you have room for all the plants in these pots
when your new bed is finished??? I don't think you can plant them all there!
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Thomas,
Actually, nothing you can see in that picture will be planted into that garden. Only things in the garden will be the Crocus, Iris retics and Narcissus bulbocodium/romieuxii types. part of the mess you can see there is actually a collection of deceased pots..... whose soil will be recycled as part of the new garden. I picked up 50 small round baskets from a supplier today to plant the bulbs in within the garden, but I'd imagine I am going to need to get more of them once I start planting everything and realise just how much I have!! ::)
At least now you'll all believe me next time I say that things are a mess at my place. The gardens themselves are fine, it's just the pots that are full of weeds etc. Unfortunately for so much of my collection the pots are actually easier to monitor watering on..... as there is no root competition from the gum trees, magnolias and maples etc in the garden.
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You know that I also plant everything in baskets and I can promise:
You will need much more than 50!! I don't know exactly how many I have
but I guess I will reach 500 this year!
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and I thought I had a pot collection!
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Thomas,
I realise that with the Crocus and Iris retics alone I would be over the 50 different varieties, but I am not sure how many I'll actually be able to fit in the garden until I have it put together.
Mark,
I have approximately 3000 pots, give or take a few hundred. I've never actually individually counted them, just counted part and worked it out over approximate area. At least once I have the crocus etc into their baskets in the ground I will have that many less pots to have to keep an eye one!! ;D
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3000! OMG. I working to a goal so I only a minimum in pots but after someone emailed me Janis' 2008 catalogue this morning it will not be 2009.
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Thomas I was not complaining! I think I did very well getting an extra bonus! :D
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Anne, I realised that it wasn't a complain, but I don't like the thought that I've sent wrong plants to friends :-\
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I get a catalogue from Janis every year provided I ordered the previous year.
Martin, if you ordered last year, have you received a catalogue yet ?
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I get a catalogue from Janis every year provided I ordered the previous year.
Martin, if you ordered last year, have you received a catalogue yet ?
Not yet, but I've had a free catalogue every year for the last 5 or more years, provided I've sent a decent-size order, which I have done everyh year.
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Evidently they were posted yesterday.
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I didn't order last year, but am tempted by that wierd tulip with the corrugations, if it has come down in price?
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T. regelii? Unfortunately he doesn't list it at all this year Anthony, corrugated, expensive or otherwise :(
Does anyone know of a seed source?
Ashley
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Aw shucks. :(
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some more in flower today
crocus sieberi greece parnassus cr122
crocus veluchensis greece olympus cr251
crocus favus turkey kandira cr108
crocus biflorus alexandri greece falakro cr433
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David there is a PDF link that has all pages, at the very top. What I posted was html version so you don't need acrobat reader to browse. The pages are cut off also in the html version, you can't see prices. I didn't notice this, since I just had clicked on the PDF link. Must be when google converts the file to html, it loses some data.
Heres link to acrobat reader download.
http://www.adobe.com/products/acrobat/readstep2.html
Thanks Guff, I'm sorted now.
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Thomas,
Actually, nothing you can see in that picture will be planted into that garden. Only things in the garden will be the Crocus, Iris retics and Narcissus bulbocodium/romieuxii types. part of the mess you can see there is actually a collection of deceased pots..... whose soil will be recycled as part of the new garden. I picked up 50 small round baskets from a supplier today to plant the bulbs in within the garden, but I'd imagine I am going to need to get more of them once I start planting everything and realise just how much I have!! ::)
At least now you'll all believe me next time I say that things are a mess at my place. The gardens themselves are fine, it's just the pots that are full of weeds etc. Unfortunately for so much of my collection the pots are actually easier to monitor watering on..... as there is no root competition from the gum trees, magnolias and maples etc in the garden.
Not a mess at all, go for it mate 8)
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Tony W - an especially fine sieberi. I like the inclusion of the place of origin in the filenames. Forgive my ignorance but does sieberi on Mt Parnassus grow in close proximity to C veluchnesis? I have seen reputed hyrids at shows and yours bear some resemblance to them.
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Tony why would many of my Crocus get 'bruised' noses before they open that prevents them from opening? It has happen to alatavicus and reticulatus for example
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Tony,
That crocus sieberi greece parnassus cr122 is just glorious. The fiery styles in combination with the petal colour stands out so beautifully! Very nice!! 8)
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The veluchensis on Parnassus grow in millions whereas I think sieberi is less common and I have never seen any that meet my clear understanding of a sieberi with the clearly visible yellow throat.I have heard there are hybrids and certainly there are lots without the yellow throat which are close to sieberi and may be hybrids,if this makes sense
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Tony W lovely plants. They are all so specific to origin did you raise these from seed yourself?
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Ian
apart from a few plants from places I cannot get to (yet) all my plants have been raised from seed collected by myself over many many years. Masses of failures but some nice successful ones at times. I am quite boring and keep most of them on a database.
Did you get my email
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Just a few, pictured a few days ago .... glorious sunshine here today but I was not here :(
Crocus aerius - one corm but I did get a few seeds last year.
Crocus biflorus ssp ?isauricus. A very small flowered crocus, close to C danfordiae (but larger in flower than that whilst being smaller than my other biflorus) It is a stayer, I've had these for 15 years.
Crocus biflorus ssp alexandrii - trade form
Crocus sieberi ssp sublimis .... in the sunshine 8)
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Tony
your alexandri is so much deeper than mine. All mine have very pale outer petals. it would be nice to get a wild deep form but I have not seen this one in flower and only collected seed which ended up as quite uniform plants
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apart from a few plants from places I cannot get to (yet) all my plants have been raised from seed collected by myself over many many years. Masses of failures but some nice successful ones at times. I am quite boring and keep most of them on a database.
And thank goodness you do keep a database, Tony W, because this is a very valuable collection of plants grown from wild seed and deserves to be properly catalogued. Well done! SO exciting to have been able to travel and collect these little pinches of seed to grow these gorgeous crocus..... keyboard is covered in envious drool again!!
Tony G... nice to see your babies coming out... still quite slow here :(
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Tony
your alexandri is so much deeper than mine. All mine have very pale outer petals. it would be nice to get a wild deep form but I have not seen this one in flower and only collected seed which ended up as quite uniform plants
I have something very similar to yours from David Stephens' seed and another collection with one that is much darker.
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Tony I got your email and replied. Perhaps it is in your spam file. Meanwhile I will re send the message through the forum intranet.
By the way very impressed with the fact that these are all grown from seed. As a convert to crocus I hope to emulate this in the fullness of time and presumably it does take time
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Tony,
Isn't that aerius just beautiful!! Love those veinings/marblings/ whatever you want to call it. Very different!! All great pics!! :)
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Tony
I think David collected his alexandri at the same site as I did.It was pretty easy as I do not think any other species grow with it and it is abundant.Higher up there is chrysanthus but I do not think they meet.
Ian got your note and will see you at the conference
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Tony
I think David collected his alexandri at the same site as I did.It was pretty easy as I do not think any other species grow with it and it is abundant.Higher up there is chrysanthus but I do not think they meet.
Tony(s), I have a collection from Mt. Falakro S0220, received as biflorus ssp alexandrii, but this one
turned out to be Crocus pulchellus!
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In three years ssp gargaricus has never increased, has your's Thomas ?
Andrew I have now checked mine: It has two big shots, just breaking through the soil!
I started with 1 corm in 2006! Seems like they feel better in the open garden!
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Thomas I think there are several crocus species on Falakro but they seem to be in different areas and I had quite good information where the alexandri was.
I am hopefully going again in a few weeks and this time hope it is in flower.
gargaricus multiplies by producing lots of rice grain cormlets,these may be on stolons I do not know. I tried to look yesterday but it was disturbing the plants too much so I left well alone. By repotting time any stolons would have rotted and you are just left with the tiny bulbs to sift out of the compost.I usually repot the larger corms and then tip the old stuff back into a pot for a year to let any I have missed get large enough to spot.
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You might be right, Tony, I havn't been on Mt. Falakro myself, but I'm sure there are many interesting places around!
Good luck for your trip - and please try to make some photos for showing here!
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I have Crocus michelsonii 'Turkmenian Night' flowering now, but weeks behind 'God's Look' so no cross pollination this year.
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Anthony, where's the picture ??? :(
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Collect some pollen and stick some in the freezer. Use either tin foil or wax paper, make a packet for the pollen. When your going to use the frozen pollen let it get up to room temp, before using.
I did try this past spring using frozen pollen, that I saved from some tommies. I did get seed pods, but can't say 100%, that the seeds were from the frozen pollen.
I do know Daylily pollen last over a year if frozen. I save pollen every year, from my more expensive ones and use the following summer.
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Anthony, where's the picture ??? :(
Luc, I didn't think to bring it into the kitchen. Maybe tomorrow. I did photograph and post last year. Just spent half an hour moving roof tiles which had been stacked up against two troughs and a barrel. >:(
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Here's one I did bring out of the greenhouse tonight. I know what it isn't! >:(
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It is not cvijicii :P but I think you know what it is!
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Crocus angustifolius? :(
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How many of us have bought it and how many will own up?
I've emailed him about the mix up and here is his honest answer
"Many thanks for your feedback on C.cviijcii. I agree with your assessment that they are a selection of C.angustifolius. We had some doubts due to the price but our supplier, a well known horticulturalist, assured us they were correct. I am sure you agree that at 5 for £2.00 they were still an excellent buy. If they had been cviijcii they would have been the bargain of the decade!!."
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Mark I have them from Holland, 1 Euro/4 corms - I'm not sure if I have to be angry or happy :-\
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Mmmm! I smell a rat! :-\ How many people would have bought angustifolius? :(
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Mark was that really what the supplier said about the inceorrect cvijicii. If so what he is really saying in short is that we should be grateful and it's a good deal. Apart from the fact that in commerce the bulb supplied is often much cheaper I don't find it a good deal if I don't get what is advertised :(
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Your last line Ian has me thinking every year about snowdrops that die. Shouldnt we be entitled to our money back if the snowdrop fails to appear the following spring?
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You could try that Mark, but generally I would say, that it is hard to verify, that it
was the mistake of the nursery, not yours. While this is completely different, if
wrong plants were sent!
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How many of us have bought it and how many will own up?
I've emailed him about the mix up and here is his honest answer
"Many thanks for your feedback on C.cviijcii. I agree with your assessment that they are a selection of C.angustifolius. We had some doubts due to the price but our supplier, a well known horticulturalist, assured us they were correct. I am sure you agree that at 5 for £2.00 they were still an excellent buy. If they had been cviijcii they would have been the bargain of the decade!!."
See Tony G's reply 9 of 11 September on
http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=803.msg18048#msg18048
Well done Tony full marks to you.
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I bought C. cvijicci from the same nursery in Holland than Thomas with the same wrong plants. !!!!
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And if none of you guys complain, then they're going to just keep on doing it. If you all ask for your money back or credit for next year then they will make SURE of something before they sell it. Saying it is still a "great buy" is a complete cop out. While there have been posting expressing disappointment, you are all seeming to be rather accepting? Do you really not mind being sold something common under a rare name? I'm kind of surprised? ???
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Yes when I have bought it at that price, I supposed it was odd price for a so rare species. I am not surprised if it is wrong and generally, this nursery accept to send the true species next year
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I guess many people have been misled, so perhaps we should all complain, afterall, if it's night right it should be put right or out money refunded? I quite like the angustifolius but I wouldn't have bought it if that's what it was advertised as. All the other bulbs I bought are fine, and I did get a bonus set as one lot was not regarded as "growable", so I suppose I have broken even. Meanwhile, I don't have thon crocus I cannae spell let alone pronounce. ???
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I think if everyone here who got the dodgy crocus (and everyone else reading this who doesn't post but also got the same crocus) complains then there are at least going to be enough complaints for them to think twice before selling something they too think is suspicious. It costs THEM money when they have to send out replacements, and if enough people complain about the wrong thing then they'll make a little more certain before sending out something that might not be true in the future. One or two complaining isn't that interesting, but if a dozen or two dozen end up complaining because of this discussion then there is at least enough clamour for them to hear, even if they don't really listen to it fully! ;D
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Had they been marketed as 'could be but, not sure' that would have given purchasers a reasonable choice.
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I too received C. angustifolius instead of C.cvijicii & got the same response concerning the "well known horticulturalist." I think the practice of buying wholesale & immediately reselling is common. Another well known firm offers C.cvijicii quite cheaply in their new list. I've ordered, though I'm not optimistic. However, I know from previous experience that they refund when the wrong plant is sent out.
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Hello, Gerry, great to have you join us, 8) though sorry to hear you have been on the wrong end of this Crocus confusion. :'(
I am beginning to feel really sorry for poor old Crocus angustifolius... it'll be getting a nasty inferiority complex at this rate :-X ::)