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Bulbs => Galanthus => Topic started by: Leena on April 01, 2014, 06:21:20 PM
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Snowdrops are now at their best in Finland. The nights are still under zero and the daytime the temperature is above zero, and this year all the snow has gone already. Here are some of my snowdrops now.
Atkinsii
Mrs MacNamara
G.lagodechianus
G.nivalis, smaller
G.nivalis, a little bigger clone
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Some more, the first four were planted last summer.
Nameless G.plicatus came from a kind forumist. I bought last summer three yellow snowdrops and Ray Cobb and Wendy's Gold are doing fine, but the flowers of Bill Clark got frozen, and it doesn't flower this year. is it normally earlier than Wendy's Gold?
G.plicatus
Lerinda
Ray Cobb
Wendy's Gold
G.nivalis
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Super photos , Leena - good to see you have got sunshine to enjoy the flowers, too. Can you be confident there that the snow is gone for good now, until next winter?
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Super photos , Leena - good to see you have got sunshine to enjoy the flowers, too. Can you be confident there that the snow is gone for good now, until next winter?
Thanks Maggi. :)
It's been now sunny with cold nights, so no more snow, I hope, and it is already April, and even if there is more snow it will melt away soon, but the weather forecast looks promising. This is a very early spring here this year and I love it. :)
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Leena,
A terrific show of your drops. I was particularly keen on the color of your G. 'Wendy's Gold', as some seem to have a bit of a green cast to the yellow on the inners. Yours looks to be pure yellow...very nice. I also wanted to congratulate you on the setting and your photo of the wonderfully full clump of nivalis with the mossy stone...picturesque. Thank you for posting.
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Leena, you give us a long month more season.
You have fine plants, we have good memories ;).
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I was particularly keen on the color of your G. 'Wendy's Gold', as some seem to have a bit of a green cast to the yellow on the inners. Yours looks to be pure yellow...very nice.
Thank you Rick. :) I had bought that 'Wendy's Gold' dormant from Dryad Bulbs last summer. I ordered two bulbs and got two bulbs which were both already splitting up, and have now three flowers on them. And the color is pure yellow without green, I am very pleased with these and hope they will multiply also here and perhaps set seeds, too.
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Leena, you give us a long month more season.
You have fine plants, we have good memories ;).
Thank you Hagen, I wish I had much more to show (I have a little more), but in the years to come I'll have more. :)
I have taken a lot of photos from my snowdrops, it is so nice to look at the photos later and dream of the new season. And photos are also good when I think where to plant new snowdrops.
Many of my old G.nivalis are quite big clumps, they multiply very nicely and I divide them to half every once in a while and plant to new places in the garden. There are also seedlings, but not as much as one would think comparing to the number of the mother plants.
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I had bought that 'Wendy's Gold' .... and hope they will multiply also here and perhaps set seeds, too.
By all accounts the yellow gene is recessive so if you want yellow seedlings you need to cross with another yellow snowdrop or, presumably, make sure Wendy's gold crosses with itself.
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Thanks Alan, I forgot that it needs another yellow to produce yellow offspring. I had planted Bill Clark next to Wendy's Gold, but of course there are other green snowdrops just as close. I don't know if I get seeds this year anyway, because the nights have been so cold, but I'm going to keep an eye on them, it will be interesting to see if there are seeds in spite of the cold.
This Jaquenetta was planted last autumn, does it look right?
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I've seen a big garden with two big clumps of snowdrops, one Wendy's Gold and the other I'm not sure, possibly Bill Clark. These are tens of metres away from any other snowdrop yet the few seedlings that have been produced still seem to be green. Perhaps they prefer not to self pollinate and even Bill (?) and Wendy don't seem to want to get together.
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Would Wendy and Ray Cobb make a better couple?
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This Jaquenetta was planted last autumn, does it look right?
Note the spelling Leena (back to Shakespeare's original), it looks fairly 'right' however, the problem with Greatorex hybrids is that they display different markings at different stages of maturity and, as this is newly planted the best we can say is "Probably". ;)
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Thanks Brian. :) I expected something more ragged looking, this is quite neat and nice, and I'm very happy with this.
I corrected the spelling.
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Just watched the excellent Beechgrove Garden, great report from the SRGC Show at Dunblane, also Lady Anne Fraser's garden - Gardeners World could learn a lot from this programme :)
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Just watched the excellent Beechgrove Garden, great report from the SRGC Show at Dunblane, also Lady Anne Fraser's garden - Gardeners World could learn a lot from this programme :)
Definitely a great programme
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b04049nz/Beechgrove_Garden_2014_Episode_1/ (http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b04049nz/Beechgrove_Garden_2014_Episode_1/)
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I presume this programme is only broadcast in Scotland. Here are links to its BBC page and its own website:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00721bz (http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00721bz)
http://www.beechgrove.co.uk/ (http://www.beechgrove.co.uk/)
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Look at it on iplayer Alan:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b04049nz/Beechgrove_Garden_2014_Episode_1/ (http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b04049nz/Beechgrove_Garden_2014_Episode_1/)
starts at about 9.09
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Alan, the programme has its first airing on BBC2 Scotland at 7.30 pm on Thursdays then has a nationwide (network) airing on Sunday morning at 8am.
The Beechgrove Garden programme with the SRGC Dunblane segment was shown earlier today at shown at 8am on Sunday 6th April on BBC 2 network.
I presume the future programmes will have the same Sunday morning repeat time , too.
It is possible for those with sky tv to see the programme on Thursdays by using the BBC2Scotland option on one of the "extra" BBC channels.
I don't know the number because it doesn't show here! Mark will be able to tell us, I hope - somewhere between 951 and 973, I think.
Found it! It is channel 971 for BBC 2 Scotland. ( 951 for BBC1Scotland)
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Too bad it is not available to see here. >:(
In Finland the gardening programmes really suck, and they are shown on tv only in the summer, from the end of April to August, just when everyone having the garden is outside in the garden.. who has time to watch television then. I would watch the gardening programmes in the winter when there is nothing I can do outside (except walk in the snow).
Anyway, I was happy last week to find the first different seedling appearing among my own nivalis. I've had G.nivalis maybe for 15 years, and in the past few years I have noticed seedlings appearing (I admit there may have been seedlings also earlier, I just didn't notice them), but their markings have looked about the same as in the original G.nivalis.
The first picture is my new seedling.
Second picture is older G.nivalis clump and the third is closer of it's flowers.
In the fourth picture there are also seedlings, but their markings are the same as in their parents. These flowered the first time three years ago, the others are taller than the other ones, I don't know if this is because the bulbs of the shorter one are smaller (younger) or maybe the taller ones are just tall. I like both the clumps of snowdrops but also these almost solitary snowdrops, they seem very elegant when they are alone. :)
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The first picture is my new seedling.
And it has already been found by a nice bee!
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And it has already been found by a nice bee!
:) Yes, and I hope the bee has been in Viridapice growing close by before it came to this flower. :)
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Beechgrove Garden is on BBC2 on Sunday mornings at about 8.00am in England, not sure about Scotland :)
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Beechgrove Garden is on BBC2 on Sunday mornings at about 8.00am in England, not sure about Scotland :)
Yes, it is the same here, Maxine. It's a repeat in Scotland, of course.
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Leena, great fun to see the variation on the mark of your seedling...I like the larger spot of color...that bee seemed to be enjoying that flower as well.
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Thanks Rick :).
This is one of my favourites and and it seems to do well here too, an old cultivar 'S.Arnott'.
Picture from last week-end.
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What lovely pictures of snowdrops in April Leena - it brings February back to those of us with such an earlier season, but I don't remember seeing them pictured quite so serenely. Lovely capturing of light and shade.
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Just watched the Beechgrove gardening programme (thanks Mark and Brian for putting the i-player link). What a breath of fresh air! Really nice to see the Dunblane Bulb Show (and I liked Carole's comment at the end about it being non-competitive rather like the earliest AGS Shows in S. Wales and at Loughborough, and the display of frits that I saw at the Fritillaria Group meeting). A few nice quotes and ideas I picked up - 'sonsy dahlia cuttings' (haven't heard this word before!); 'a garden is never boring is it?'; 'for the literary as well as horticulturally inclined'; and those little mirrors under the hellebores - brilliant!
What is so nice is the lack of celebrity but celebration of the skills of gardening. 'Gardeners World' has much of the same virtues in the latter but is less homely in the former, and yes I think it could learn a lot from the Beechgrove programme which is able to cover very similar ground but somehow appeal to beginner and expert alike as if there is not really so much difference between the two. Will definitely watch out for the programme in the future.
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Hello to all!
I am a new member to the forum but would also like to support the positive comments for Beechgrove Garden, it is an excellent and informative show! As an aside it also managed to capture the attention of my husband a non gardener who when he first saw the show asked 'Is this gardening with the sweatys' (cockney background worth remembering Maggi next time you converse ;D) until he caught sight of Carole Baxter and it is now series set on the box...
Now busy sewing enviromesh wigwams for my precious specimens!
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Hello Blond Ingrid - glad your OH realised that Carole, though fully integrated up here as "one of us" does in fact have her family roots darn sarf. Young Beardshaw has been brought in to pacify the network BBC folks that the programme can be safely shown without subtitles in England - it remains to be seen whether or not there is a clamour for that in Scotland! ;D
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Young Beardshaw is one of the best gardening presenters around. England's loss is Scotland's gain!
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Young Beardshaw is one of the best gardening presenters around. England's loss is Scotland's gain!
so true
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Young Beardshaw is one of the best gardening presenters around. England's loss is Scotland's gain!
And his presence reduces the average age of the other (male) Beechgrove presenters by quite a long way!
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Young Beardshaw is one of the best gardening presenters around.
...and an excellent speaker too :)
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What lovely pictures of snowdrops in April Leena - it brings February back to those of us with such an earlier season, but I don't remember seeing them pictured quite so serenely. Lovely capturing of light and shade.
Thanks Tim. :)
in case your wondering what the spruce branches are, I keep them over my Helllebores to protect the flower buds from the freezing nights (which are now almost over, I hope). And so they show up in every other photo because I have planted snowdrops among Hellebores. :)
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Thanks Rick :).
This is one of my favourites and and it seems to do well here too, an old cultivar 'S.Arnott'.
Picture from last week-end.
Leena...Another perfect clump of G. 'S Arnott'. It seems to do well in every garden. I have acquired this one, but no blooms this year. Thank you for posting this photo.
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I had planted three bulbs in summer 2011 and they had increased quite well in only this time. :)
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Leena - I think it was you who worried about the hardiness of snowdrops.
Here is a small clump of nivalis that found itself in the direct line of fire of a persistent drip from the eavestrough. In December the drip started and within a few weeks the tunics were washed off, the roots bare-rooted for the most part and any snowcover kept off them. So they experienced this dreadfull winter fully exposed attesting to their hardiness.
Another surprised, as winter started in December I thought I had lost my reginae-olgae 'Cambridge's. Instead they appeared in late March but the flowers lasted less than a week before they browned - cold and a dump of snow the culprits, other drops nearby were unaffected. So these r-os have the capacity to spring flush and flower.
Thes rest carry on normally.
johnw - awaiting a call from the Christies kinds as we are heading to the coast.
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Does anyone know anything about Galanthus nivalis 'Dame Margot Fonteyn' that's for sale on ebay?
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Snowdrop-Galanthus-nivalis-Dame-Margot-Fonteyn-very-rare-cultivar-/161274207980?pt=UK_HomeGarden_Garden_PlantsSeedsBulbs_JN&hash=item258cb11eec (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Snowdrop-Galanthus-nivalis-Dame-Margot-Fonteyn-very-rare-cultivar-/161274207980?pt=UK_HomeGarden_Garden_PlantsSeedsBulbs_JN&hash=item258cb11eec)
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It has appeared on the forum if you search Mark, but I think the details are much the same as on eBay.
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John, thank you. I was worried about the early snowdrops and too much snow, but this winter has been very good for them here, the snow melted early. Just the opposite to this winter over there. I'm glad the snowdrops are flowering over there now, too. :)
This one is nameless G.plicatus from Augis Bulbs, three bulbs planted autumn 2011 and it has increased well. It starts to flower later than many others and it grows quite tall during the flowering. Nothing special, but a good snowdrop which also shows from a distance.
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Does anyone know anything about Galanthus nivalis 'Dame Margot Fonteyn' that's for sale on ebay?
That seller sold at least another three the same in March and one earlier in April. I must say that if I was to have a snowdrop named after me I hope it would not be one with such an unhappy expression on its 'face'.
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Leena, i like the nicely-curved spathes on your nameless plicatus.
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Leena, i like the nicely-curved spathes on your nameless plicatus.
Thank you Alan. In this picture from 2012 when the original three bulbs first flowered here the spathe shows even better.
I'm beginning to think that this snowdrop looks better when it is not a clump so I have to divide it to give the bulbs more space. :)
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Has anyone bought G.'Priscilla Bacon' or G.'Amy Doncaster' this year? I am interested to know what the going rate is as I have had two clumps destroyed by our neighbour coming into our garden and doing work on his fence whilst we were out yesterday!!
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Glen Chantry list this year for sale at Harvey's was:
Amy Doncaster £40
Priscilla Bacon £35 and I find they are as reasonable as anyone.
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I have had two clumps destroyed by our neighbour
If it was just the above-ground parts that were destroyed there may be some hope for the bulbs. We are getting quite late in the season now so hopefully the bulbs will be strong enough to survive. But I would be incredibly cross if that happened to me!
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Tell him they were Elizabeth Harrison! ;D
cheers
fermi
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It was Snowdrop Day, yesterday (19th April) according to an Armenian web site http://www.panorama.am/en/society/2014/04/19/day-of-snowdrop/ (http://www.panorama.am/en/society/2014/04/19/day-of-snowdrop/) . I wonder how such misinformation gets started? However the tale about the origin of the snowdrop has not been invented by the journalist who wrote the article (although I myself had not heard it before). You can read a poem about it here: http://mrssymbols.blogspot.co.uk/2011/02/seeing-snowdrops-on-candlemas-daie.html (http://mrssymbols.blogspot.co.uk/2011/02/seeing-snowdrops-on-candlemas-daie.html)
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Thanks Carole et al, I like your style Fermi!
Yes leaves ripped off and trampled so a great deal of tissue damage, I doubt whether they will be of much use to the bulb now and my concern is attracting the dreaded narcissus fly or virus. It's not as though he didn't know they were there, but the thing that really annoys me is that nothing was said beforehand and he waited until we were out until he did it >:(
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Thanks Carole et al, I like your style Fermi!
Yes leaves ripped off and trampled so a great deal of tissue damage, I doubt whether they will be of much use to the bulb now and my concern is attracting the dreaded narcissus fly or virus. It's not as though he didn't know they were there, but the thing that really annoys me is that nothing was said beforehand and he waited until we were out until he did it >:(
Brian, I'm finding that most snowdrops have pretty much completed their growth cycle and have already formed good firm bulbs ready for dormancy thanks to the mild winter and ample winter rain. I should think they'll be fine. But maybe best to lift them in the summer and relocate or replant in case the soil around them has been compacted too much by the trampling, causing drainage problems next season.
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Cheers Martin, a good idea which I will follow - strange how everyone else has them except me :-\
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Gives you somewhere to chuck the slugs and snails Brian :Pi
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Hello, just nipping back to comments on Beechgrove, it is a gem of a programme and the snowdrop film was a particular delight. I love the unassuming style of the presenters which welcomes everyone in. Chris still appears on Gardener's Question Time and is now fronting an interesting series on gardens of note, well worth seeing. :)
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In Easter we had very warm weather in Finland, over 20C (but now it is back to 10-15C and nightly frosts), and most of the snowdrops are now over, and in my garden only late nameless G.nivalis (planted last autumn from garden center bulbs) is still good, as is 'Cordelia'.
This picture was taken Thursday evening of the nameless G.nivalis.
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Perhaps it's a late form of Galanthus nivalis? Joe Sharman sells one called G. nivalis ex Slovakia which is most notable for being late flowering. You will have to see if yours is reliably late or just delayed this year through being planted last autumn.
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Perhaps it's a late form of Galanthus nivalis? You will have to see if yours is reliably late or just delayed this year through being planted last autumn.
I hope it is a late form. :)
This winter/spring has been extraordinary here because the snow melted already in February (after being in the ground only for a month) and we could also see differences in the flowering time of snowdrops. Usually they all flower about the same time in April, as soon as the snow melts away. The only difference we might see is that some snowdrops have grown more inside the snow and some just come up from the ground. I really hope next winter will be as short and the spring comes as early as this year, and I will see how this unnamed nivalis behaves then. :)