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Bulbs => NARCISSUS => Topic started by: mark smyth on March 01, 2015, 09:36:38 AM
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I'm so happy to finally have this lovely Narcissus in my collection after seeing it many times in English gardens at snowdrop time. It has been battered by yesterdays wind and rain and is no longer photogenic :( with the stems almost flat. Buds point skywards before lowering while they open
Narcissus pallidiflorus
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What a cracker of a narcissus you've got there Mark.
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By the way, why these posts suddenly jumped to "January" thread ??? ??? ???
I wondered that myself, Yann! They are moved now.
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I wasn't awoken :P
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It's a lovely thing, Mark.
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Nice Narcissus guys.
The very dwarf Narcissus hedraeanthus flowering in the rockgarden .....
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The very dwarf Narcissus hedraeanthus flowering in the rockgarden.
Lovely tiny flowers, Kris! It’s just for the start for March :D Why didn’t you create the new thread ;)
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I wondered that myself, Yann! They are moved now.
Thank you for your quick fixing as always, Maggi :)
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and the March Thread?
;D
cheers
fermi
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Seems February didn't get a look in. Narcissus thread has Marched through it.
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Seems February didn't get a look in. Narcissus thread has Marched through it.
Keep up, Anthony! February is here : http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=12772.0 (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=12772.0)
There are times when I feel like I'm working for a removal firm......... it'll be grand pianos through third floor windows next....
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Mrs Shiftit ;D
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Mrs Shiftit ;D
I suppose I should confess my moonlighting for that fine old firm Wrappitt, Droppitt and Haulem ...... where I gained much experience in this field....
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;D ;D ;D
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I braved the howling wind and mini-blizzards to take a few pics yesterday. The seedlings are opening fast now, so I want to be in the greenhouse all the time, so it's a shame I'm stuck in the downstairs toilet filling holes before painting the walls >:(
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So many babies, all crying out for their mother's attention! What a great sight, to see all their cheeriness. Are many of these first time flowerers, Anne?
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What a wonderful sight Anne.
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Some of them are, all the pots with pink labels haven't flowered at all before. A few more:
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Two special ones. The first is a gift from Lesley Cox in New Zealand - 'Susan Cox' - at last it has accepted being up here after a year of being miffed. Very nice it is too.
The second is a group of asturiensis/cyclamineus seedlings from Terry Mitchell, who is also an ace auricula grower. I love the posture of these little flowers.
Finally, the plant I have been calling N. eugenae clone 1, will get a name this year since so many people like it. It came as a rogue seedling (volunteer) in seed of N. eugenae from the AGS seed exchange. It is sterile. Since I've always described it as 'baroque' (because all the twiddly bits), I think I'm going to call it 'Trumpet voluntary'.
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Anne, that's what i call a nice collection! Great to share that colors palette, a shame for the jealously guarded scent.
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Finally, the plant I have been calling N. eugenae clone 1, will get a name this year since so many people like it. It came as a rogue seedling (volunteer) in seed of N. eugenae from the AGS seed exchange. It is sterile. Since I've always described it as 'baroque' (because all the twiddly bits), I think I'm going to call it 'Trumpet voluntary'.
WOW Anne!! :o :o Please reserve me a potfull of that one ;) ;D ;)
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No it's for me ;) ;D
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No it's for me ;) ;D
Don't think so >:( ;D ....Or maybe we should share, do you have Anne's addres?? We can go over and collect them ourselves :P ;)
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.... so it's a shame I'm stuck in the downstairs toilet filling holes before painting the walls >:(
There are worse reasons for being stuck in the toilet, Anne! :-[
;D ;D ;D
Those seedlings are looking great!
Such a shame that Marcus is no longer importing bulbs :(
cheers
fermi
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Fantastic seeing them again. I'm off to Brian Duncans in a couple of weeks
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Beautiful tiny trumpets, Anne 8) 8) 8)
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Narcissus triandrus var. alejandrei, JJA 707.380. Spain, Burgos, Peňahoradada. R.D.Dominguez coll.
Perhaps it's hard to believe for you but N. triandrus is one of the challenging daffodils here. Bulbs disappear very often during summer dormancy :(
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Narcissus triandrus var. alejandrei, JJA 707.380. Spain, Burgos, Peňahoradada. R.D.Dominguez coll.
Perhaps it's hard to believe for you but N. triandrus is one of the challenging daffodils here. Bulbs disappear very often during summer dormancy :(
Not hard for us to understand, Tatsuo, we find triandrus to be fussy and short-lived.
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The first of my Narcissus pseudonarcissus has opened in the garden. They also grow wild in local woods on limestone.
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Finally, the plant I have been calling N. eugenae clone 1, will get a name this year since so many people like it. It came as a rogue seedling (volunteer) in seed of N. eugenae from the AGS seed exchange. It is sterile. Since I've always described it as 'baroque' (because all the twiddly bits), I think I'm going to call it 'Trumpet voluntary'.
Cant wait for this to be available
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Hopefully next year I will have some available.
N. triandrus is difficult for most growers I think. Not easy to keep for any length of time. Maybe if anyone does succeed with it, they would give us some growing advice.
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Bob & Rannveig Wallis say:
We have always struggled to grow N triandrus and think that they should be grown much cooler than we have done so far. We were given a fine potful of this by Jenny Archibald and it has done well in a part shaded, netting sided polytunnel (i.e. open to all weathers except overhead rain and a tempered wind speed)
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A bit of sun and, importantly, less wind so a chance to snap the latest blooms.
Just opening now is Narcissus nanus, I'm sure this will be a perfect wee trumpet in a day or two...when it will be windy and wet again :(
Narcissus fernandesii has been looking good and smelling great for a while. The are subtle differences in the scent of this plant and N.jonquilla. I think N.fernandesii has a deeper, more complex scent which is more pleasant to my nose (not that I find N.jonquilla unpleasant). The slightly down-curved tube of N.fernandesii can be seen here, compare with N.jonquilla.
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Great plants matt, I wish the wind would leave here and bother someone else.
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Having awful trouble with the wind are you John? :P ;D
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So small and so beautiful.
Narcissus asturiensis
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Yes terribly windy around here David ;D
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So small and so beautiful.
Narcissus asturiensis
Lovely flowers and nice fotos, Luc :)
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Narcissus papyraceus, JJA 702.720 :)
I put its pollen to petunioides ;D I'm keeping my fingers crossed ::)
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I'll keep my fingers crossed for you, too.
Luc, delightful pictures of a favourite species.
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Anne, plant your N.triandrus outside. I grows very happily here in good garden soil. Even in the field. Although I call mine angels tears I am pretty sure the are straight triandrus
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I'll need to put an order in to try that, Susan 8)
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Narcissus cyclamineus
Very nice form YT!
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I'll keep my fingers crossed for you, too.
Thank you, Anne :)
Narcissus cyclamineus
Very nice form YT!
Nice uniform flowers, Ruben! Thanks ;)
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Narcissus asturiensis, JJA 694.004. Ex. Spain, Leon, La Pola de Gordon.
It's my first asturiensis from seed 8)
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Narcissus Mitimoto.
Hybridizer: Glenbrook Bulb Farm
Country: Tasmania, Australia
Year Registered: 1999
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Very nice Arnold, it looks as though I have lost mine.
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Narcissus Mitzy at AGS show Loughborough yesterday winner of the Farrer medal, Best Narcissus in show and Best bulbous plant in the show !!!!
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do you think 'Mitzy' was turned daily by hand or was on a turntable
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Narcissus cordubensis MS434
Narcissus obesus MS 451
Narcissus x triandrus ‘Angel's Whisper’
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do you think 'Mitzy' was turned daily by hand or was on a turntable
78 rpm? ;D
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Narcissus cordubensis MS434
All nice Yann but this one especially so.
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Here's Narcissus cordubensis from the other side of the pond.
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Narcissus Mitzy at AGS show Loughborough yesterday winner of the Farrer medal, Best Narcissus in show and Best bulbous plant in the show !!!!
YAY! A daff for the Farrer! Well done!
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Diane Clement says it's the first time a hybrid daff has won a Farrer, so it's quite something !
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Narcissus Mitzy at AGS show Loughborough yesterday winner of the Farrer medal, Best Narcissus in show and Best bulbous plant in the show !!!!
A gorgeous potful flowers :o 8) 8)
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Narcissus ‘Second Fiddle’. Thanks annew ;)
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Looking good Tatsuo. I hoped it might not lean over so much with you.
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Looking good Tatsuo. I hoped it might not lean over so much with you.
Perhaps its stem was affected by very warm days (min. 10°C - max. 25°C) in last week.
I think the earlier flowering narcissus (i.e. romieuxii and cantabricus etc... ) tend to be influenced by our sunny winter more than the later flowering ones (i.e. cyclamineus and jonquilla etc...).
Here is Narcissus watieri x cyclamineus 2661 clone A. An amazing inter-section hybrid from Anne 8)
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Narcissus 'Canaliculatus' - bought a bunch of these a couple of years ago to pot up for cheap and cheerful display and gifts. Pleased that they continue to perform, the tazettas don't always like out climate.
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A major achievement, I reckon!
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Narcissus baeticus
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Narcissus jonquilla
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Narcissus x hervasii nothovar. hervasii (mother pallidulus, father jonquilla)
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Narcissus hervasii nothovar. (mother jonquilla, father pallidulus)
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Narcissus x incurvicervicus nothovar. flavellus (mother pallidulus father fernandesii)
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Narcissus x incurvicervicus nothovar. flavellus (motherpallidulus father fernandesii)
nothovar. flavellus (little) VS nothovar. incurvicervicus (big)
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Beautiful portraits of the plant in nature, Rafa, thank you.
N. B. For those who find the photo too large to see in their entirety on the screen, you can reduce them to a suitable size by use of your "mouse" - left click on the page then hold down the "control "(Ctrl) button and roll the mouse's scrolling wheel towards you.
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Your posts have been missed, Rafa. So nice to see your pictures of these gorgeous plants. Are all these photographs from the same location?
I had an idea to make a botanising trip to Spain next spring, and seeing your images of so many Narcissus under glorious blue skies and sunshine strengthens by resolve.
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Just wanted to say how much over the years I've enjoyed your photos of the plants in the wild, Rafa.
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Thank you Maggy!
I'm glad you enjoy them Mark, my pleasure.
Mark they are all almost made in the same area. N. assoanus in Cabra, Córdoba, and the rest in Andujar, Jaén.
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That was a very successful hunt Rafa - my idea of heaven. Thank you for posting these.
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Lovely pics Rafa
I'm sure that you already explained it before but I can't find it (the search engine is a bit weird) : what is the difference between assoanus and jonquilla except the number of flowers (1-2 for assoanus; 2-5 for jonquilla). I remember a picture with flower of gaditianus, jonquilla and ?? but can't find it again.
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Thanks Rafa! Must be fantastic to see all those beauties and hybrids
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Does anyone grow or know a source for Narcissus longispathus?
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Hi guys, I want to share with you these fotos of Narcissus cyclamineus in its native land, Paredes de Coura, Northern Portugal.
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Does anyone grow or know a source for Narcissus longispathus?
Mark, Kurt Vickery listed seed of this last year so it will be worth checking his lists this summer.
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Hi guys, I want to share with you these fotos of Narcissus cyclamineus in its native land, Paredes de Coura, Northern Portugal.
Excellent photos Jaime. Lovely to see these plants in such a natural setting.
I've had bulbs of N.cyclamineus a couple of times and given them cool, moist, humus-ey growing conditions but they never seem to do well. I will have to try from seed to see if I have any better luck that way.
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Fantastic sigth of N. cyclamineus in the wild, Jaime.
Narcissus assoanus also could have 3 flowers, but appart the number of flowers, there are many different size in "green parts" and "yellow parts". Although there are N. jonquillas very little, more than a N. assoanus, they are bigger concerning in green parts. Ecologically Narcissus assoanus is a rocky plant of limestone substrate, while N. jonquilla is the most hygrophylle in this group, usually growing in silicium substrate, with permanent moisture or seasonal moisture.
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Thanks for posting all those beautiful habitat pictures!!!
Here is Narcissus pseudonarcissus subsp. eugeniae from seed collected at Teruel, Spain (Pavelka collected). Is this really subsp. eugeniae??
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No, It is not valid species Hans, it is Narcissus confusus.
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Rafa, do you mean that it is N. confusus, by mistake collected as "subsp. eugeniae"? Or that "subsp. eugeniae" is now regarded as a synonym of N. confusus?
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yes, N. eugeniae is in fact N. confusus.
There are other species like N. longispathus, N. ovallaris, N. hispanicus, N. calcicarpetanus, N. radinganorum, N. perez-chiscanoi... all are the same species N. confusus. The only that I consider different is the plants called bujei, (although this name is also invalidate by Flora Iberica and other botanist) but I think this is different.
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Thank you Rafa. I'm glad to see there's some lumping going on in the section Pseudonarcissus :)
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Thank you for sharing the wild daffodil pictures with us, Rafa and Jaime!
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Narcissus ‘Andy Blanchard’. He enjoys sunny spring weather in Japan to the fullest :)
Narcissus seguriensis, JJA 706.250. Spain, Jaen, Sierra de Segura. Ex JWB01-05.
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Narcissus cordubensis in better light.
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I can smell it from here Arnold!
Wonderful to see N. cyclamineus in the wild - and 'Andy' in Japan!
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Loverly narcissus Arnold, here are two flowering in my garden at the moment. First is tęte-ŕ-tęte, clumps dotted around the garden, next is a unknown, but loverly narcissus, if anyone could name it for me a would be grateful.
(https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8746/16638568509_6bfd381cd6.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/rmi1JR)image (https://flic.kr/p/rmi1JR) by johnstephen29 (https://www.flickr.com/people/126223196@N05/), on Flickr
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7601/16637293600_64de83bb8d.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/rmbtKE)image (https://flic.kr/p/rmbtKE) by johnstephen29 (https://www.flickr.com/people/126223196@N05/), on Flickr
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Outdoors here we are way behind. Still drifts of dirt caked snow around. Snowdrops are up and noses of the Narcissus shoots showing.
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...next is a unknown, but loverly narcissus, if anyone could name it for me a would be grateful.
Hi John, it's a tazetta, perhaps 'Soleil D'Or' or similar. It will have a lovely scent.
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Thank you for sharing the wild daffodil pictures with us, Rafa and Jaime!
Thank you YT, I will try to post more pictures of wild ones now in bloom.
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cheers matt for identifying it for me, yes it does have a great scent.
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A couple of hybrids in my favourite shade of lemon.
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These had self-sown into my plunge, obviously a pod-ful! A friend thinks they are N. assoanus, which they could be as they were close to where I had the pot of that species. Any comments?
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Hi Anne. You're plants look very much like what I'm growing as N.assoanus. Perhaps my favourite jonquil!
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Thanks, Matt. It stole my heart when we saw in in Spain. Funny that I never noticed it was multi-flowered. I was probably too excited! :P
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These were found still in bloom one week ago near my place, in a mountain just outside of Lisbon.
I Think it´s Narcissus bulbocodium obesus.
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'Tis the season for full-on, in your face yellow! A few plants responding to the sunshine and in flower now:
Narcissus (bulbocodium) nivalis
Narcissus asturiensis - this plant is more diminutive and in character than it was last year. It was late into growth, so maybe has had higher light levels.
Narcissus bulbocodium tenuifolius
Narcissus 'Queen of Spain, jostles for space with N. 'Canaliculatus'
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Thanks, Matt. It stole my heart when we saw in in Spain. Funny that I never noticed it was multi-flowered. I was probably too excited! :P
Where about did you spot it. Anne?
Next spring I'm planning on tracing the footsteps of John Blanchard on a journey through Spain undertaken 30 years previously. I don't think I'm likely to come across N.assoanus on that trip.
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wow those look beautiful, Matt...especially "Queen of Spain"!
'Tis the season for full-on, in your face yellow! A few plants responding to the sunshine and in flower now:
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I like to see them in habitat , Jaime. Is that last pic a fairly shaded slope?
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I like to see them in habitat , Jaime. Is that last pic a fairly shaded slope?
Yes Maggi, this slope faces east... only gets few hours of sun, and these narcissus were shaded by other taller plants. But I have seen them also in totally exposed places, south facing...those tend to bloom earlier in the season, I think. Narcissus bulbocodium has a very diverse occurrence. Probably obesus tend to prefer exposed places, baking in hot sun during the Summer...but I don´t know exactly.
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Mmm, east facing - so that is why they are still in flower, probably.
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Narcissus assoanus also could have 3 flowers, but appart the number of flowers, there are many different size in "green parts" and "yellow parts". Although there are N. jonquillas very little, more than a N. assoanus, they are bigger concerning in green parts. Ecologically Narcissus assoanus is a rocky plant of limestone substrate, while N. jonquilla is the most hygrophylle in this group, usually growing in silicium substrate, with permanent moisture or seasonal moisture.
Thanks Rafa for your answer about assoanus/jonquilla. Some of these differences are not easy to see on pictures.
Here's a narcissus that a friend give me as N serotinus, which it is obviously not :P
It's looks like assoanus but comparing with my assoanus that are still in bud, the leaves are a bit wider (2,5 mm), more flat, more prostrate and the green is different. I will have to wait few day fbefore comparing the flowers.
Tube is 14 mm long, corona is 8 mm wide and perianthe is 24 mm wide (see 4th picture)
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Narcissus obsoletus opening today. Seed sown 8th may 2011.
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Hi Anthony loverly narcissus, you grow them so well.
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A couple of Brian Duncan''s 'babies':-
The first one a cross between Narcissus cyclamineus and N. 'Camborne'. This from Brian in 2011 under his seedling number 3125
The second also in 2011, Brian's label just said "Little yellow trumpet seedling"
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How little is "Little yellow trumpet seedling", David? The flower is a lovely shape/proportion.
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The bulbocodium x triandrus hybrids have to be my absolute favourite, combining the grace of triandrus with the substance of the hoop petticoats. They also grow very well for me here, with 'Solveig's Song' increasing from 2 flowers last year to 10 (ten!) buds now - pictures in a couple of weeks!
For the time being, N. x cazorlanus is a naturally occurring hybrid, 3 buds from one bulb here. Behind are Crocus minimus 'Bavella' and N. nanus.
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How little is "Little yellow trumpet seedling", David? The flower is a lovely shape/proportion.
About 12cm Matt.
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The other one's a cracker too, David!
I like your hybrid too, Matt.
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I have a whole rash of little seedlings coming out from F2 crosses of N. rupicola watieri x rupicola marvieri.
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The other one's a cracker too, David!
Anne, do you think either of them are worth giving a name to? Both are very slow to multiply.
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I have a whole rash of little seedlings coming out from F2 crosses of N. rupicola watieri x rupicola marvieri.
I LOVE pictures of cute babies 8)
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They're all special, being your babies, Anne. However, I especially like 3512 with the green eye and 3267 is outstanding - excellent form to the flower and the colour is charming.
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Here is my Narcissus obsoletus flower fully open today. I have three more bulbs with flower buds in this pot.
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I admire your skill in flowering the autumnal narcissi, Anthony. Are you finding it easier down under?
Matt, you and I have the same tastes, those are my favourites too.
David, you might have to ask Brian about that. The first one is really nice, depending on its habit and height.
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They just sit in pots in a sunny part of the garden. Apart from the remnants of Cyclone Pam, which dumped 12 hours of solid rain on us last weekend, we haven't had any meaningful rain since mid December. Days are still sunny and mid twenties.
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This looks virused to me...? Narcissus odorus 'Double Campernelle', bulbs bought from Wisley plant shop last October. ???
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Definitely looks dodgy.
One of my Bowles Early Sulphur deserves an A+ for effort. :)
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I always thought this subspecies was paler than the pure species, but mine (new since last year) is just as intense yellow as the species...nice none the less:
Narcissus hedraeanthus subsp. luteolentus
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I have that yellow form as well, Wim.
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Here is another beautiful little narcissus I got from Anne, narcissus varduliensis. I really like the pale pointed petals at the back and the darker trumpet.
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7622/16744369069_07aea6d47b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/rvDgyr)Narcissus Varduliensis (https://flic.kr/p/rvDgyr) by johnstephen29 (https://www.flickr.com/people/126223196@N05/), on Flickr
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Some narcissus in the garden
Narcissus pseudonarcissus
Narcissus tazetta
Narcissus assoanus
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As my Narcissus assoanus are now blooming, I can compare with my unnamed narcissus.
On the left, unnanmed, on the right Narcissus assoanus : are they from the same species ?
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I have that yellow form as well, Wim.
Ah, I see...it's not the colour which is the determinating factor for this subspecies.
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This page is open to all on Facebook , I think - - click to the page https://www.facebook.com/schullhorn (https://www.facebook.com/schullhorn) and scroll down to the "Videos" section on the left hand side of the page - see how their bulbs are chipped into six pieces - by machine!
Eek!
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Eek, indeed! Not much chance of cross-contamination there, eh?
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N.bulbocodium obesus
N.jonquilla var.henriquesii
N.lobularis
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This page is open to all on Facebook , I think - - click to the page https://www.facebook.com/schullhorn (https://www.facebook.com/schullhorn) and scroll down to the "Videos" section on the left hand side of the page - see how their bulbs are chipped into six pieces - by machine!
Eek!
I think I might try the food-processor... ::)
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Narcissus rupicola grown from SRGC seed. Wild collected by Rafa (as N. triandrus). Not surprising when you see them growing together in the wild in Rafa's photos.
Narcissus rupicola x jacetanus - one of Anne's babies
A bunch of sunshine - Narcissus 'Van Sion' or Telomonius Plenus' or whatever its name is today.
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I have a whole rash of little seedlings coming out from F2 crosses of N. rupicola watieri x rupicola marvieri.
All are beauties
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This shows how the corona of Narcissus obsoletus changes from day 1 (back) to day 3.
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That Dutch nursery owner chops her bulbs in to 6 in November!! and plants them out in the field. No removal of tunics, dipping in meths or fungicide. It works.
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How can a daff that stands at 11 inches/28cm be classed as a "miniature" (miniaturebulbs) and "dwarf" (Daffseek)? Its a beauty if only it was 6 inches shorter
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Another flush of flowers is on the way. Leading the march:
Narcissus rupicola watieri - grows very well here but increases only very slowly. The seedling progeny outnumber the offsets from flowering bulbs. (N. nanus behind)
Narcissus obesus - one of two forms gratefully received from the BD, thanks Ian. The other form will either not flower this year or be much later as there is no sign of buds yet.
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I wonder what would happen if watieri was to have obesus' love child? Maybe I'll find out!
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I fear my watieri will have self-pollinated already but I will use it to pollinate asturiensis. Do you have any seedlings from this cross, Anne?
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Yes, some nice ones like Jim Lad but paler.
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'Tis April folks ;D
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'Tis April folks ;D
Indeed it is - and I'm sure when someone next has some pix to post that a new thread will be begun.....
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Somebody has ;D
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Crikey! So I did!
... I surprise myself sometimes........ ::)
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;)
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Here's the so called miniature 'Miss Muffit' in my hand. I really think miniature has to be redefined
The bulbs of 'Chipper' supplied by miniature bulbs are, I think, 'Kennellis'. Anyone else get the same mix up?
( refers back to post 135, above)
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Narcissus obesus - one of two forms gratefully received from the BD, thanks Ian. The other form will either not flower this year or be much later as there is no sign of buds yet.
I have been to three garden centres trying to buy Narcissus bulbocodium "Golden Bells". Of the fourteen packets I inspected, I could find one with a single healthy bulb. They were either shrivelled and dry, or soft and squashy with dark blue mould evident. Curiously, they have Narcissus "Jetfire" in full bloom for sale in pots. Would you find these in flower in the UK at the start of October?
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No!
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Begs the question, how long have the dried bulbs been in those packets, and where did they come from? Big bulbs can cope, but the smaller bulbocodium had long since passed its sell-by date! Clearly the potted, flowering bulbs were planted a while ago as they are still on northern hemisphere timing!
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Narcissus 'Collen Bawn' on 30th March.
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A very old variety but I hadn't seen it before. Very nice.
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Wish I could remember where I got it!
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Comes to us all Ralph ;D