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Bulbs => Bulbs General => Topic started by: johnstephen29 on March 25, 2015, 09:47:38 PM
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Here is my lilium philippinense which I keep in my greenhouse over the winter, already growing well.
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7655/16929291162_31690a7d70.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/rMZ3so)Lilium Philippinense (https://flic.kr/p/rMZ3so) by johnstephen29 (https://www.flickr.com/people/126223196@N05/), on Flickr
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Nomocharis aperta one I have had from Chen yi for several years and
Lilium martagon albiflorum
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Interesting to see Lilium martigon albiflorum with spots, Tony. None of my white martagons have spots though some of the pink ones are very spotty.
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Roma
'album' is pure white and 'albiflorum' is white with pink spots. I have to confess I bought it thinking it would be white.
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A few Nomocharis hybrids in flower here though getting well past their peak.
johnw
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Hi,
I've taken this picture at Lyon BG.
The plant looked really attractive
Lilium monadelphum
JP
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Lilium amoenum, first time flowering
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Martagons in three colors a few weeks ago at Gardens of Rice Creek in Minnesota. The red was slower to open than the others.
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First Lily to open here - Lilium regale.
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....... and so is mine.
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Some lilie in flower today
First four are of Chen yi origin
Lilium lankongense two clones
Lilium papilliferum
Lilium bakerianum ssp delavayi
Lilium tsingtauense grown from scales received from Martin baxendale
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two more
Lilium martagon Greece Mt Kymachalan
Lilium 'Springville' this is a natural hybrid between L. canadense and L michiganense. First time flowering so only one flower
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Very nice, Tony.
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Some cracking lilies Tony!!!
A few in flower here:
Lilium kelleyanum
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Lilium mackliniae -the dark form from North-east India sometimes known as the Dzuko Lily Lilium chitrangadae. An endemic of the Dzuko valley in Nagaland.
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Nomocharis aperta
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Roma
'album' is pure white and 'albiflorum' is white with pink spots. I have to confess I bought it thinking it would be white.
Tony
If you get seed and would like to swop I usually get plenty seed of the all white one.
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Roma
no seeds but I have raised a couple from scales and so you can have one.
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Came a couple of weeks too late, but at least I found it! Lilium matangense below, from the type location. I believe these are the first photographs of it ever published, both online and offline.
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Nice pix Bjørnar - really shows the feathery, sometimes spare leaves - maybe next year you'll be there to photograph the flowers!
http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=240001421 (http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=240001421)
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Den var svært spesiell, Bjørnar!
This one was very special.
Do you plan to collect seed or is the population too sparse?
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Hope to go back early next June to see in in flower, and yes, if I have time I will probably go back this autumn. Someone has planted firs where it grows, so in a decade or two I'm afraid they'll be gone, that is of course if no one digs them before that, like what happened to the type location of Lilium yapingense :-X (The forum needs an angrier smiley...)
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Happy to oblige
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Very interesting to see Bjornar even without flowers.
Lilium michiganense,a truly elegant plant
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I think so, too Tony ;)
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Another view of it
Lilium michiganense
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I love the way those flowers are held - makes them look as if they are paying attention!
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Lilium michiganense ex wild Minnesota:
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Lilium michiganense in the wild growing on a river bank just north of Toronto. The background colour is the river water.
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two more in flower now
Lilium canadense
Lilium parryi
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My word, with these flowers one would almost think it is summer :o :-X
Around 12 degrees here - almost mid-day on the 14th July - pretty feeble even for Aberdeen!
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Oh boy Maggi, it was 12C here today and it's the middle of winter! Everyone's complaining of the freeeeeezing cold.
Stunning liliums folks. I have always admired the North American liliums.
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My word, with these flowers one would almost think it is summer :o :-X
Around 12 degrees here - almost mid-day on the 14th July - pretty feeble even for Aberdeen!
Maggi
I do not know what makes you think it should be warm in summer. This is Chorley it was 12c yesterday,almost a heatwave........
On a serious note it has been cold since April and the plants have never seemed to have performed better. Clearly their optimum temperature is not ours. It has been a wonderful year so far.
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You're quite right, Tony - my vision of warmly glorious summers is clearly skewed - mistaken memories from my childhood days in sunny Scotland or from living in Libya - who knows the cause?!! Harrumph! Off to put on a pair of wooly socks.
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may we show lilium hybrids in this thread?
here is a plot of mostly unnamed hybrid lilies blooming now
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Very colourful Rimmer.
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How lovely, Rimmer - and what a giant that is, heading out of the top of the photo at the right!!
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a stand of L canadense along highway in Ohio on July 4
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A report from a friend in the mid lower peninsula of Michigan.
"I went out in search of L. michiganense on Sunday and found some new colonies. These were the nicest stems I found. Typically finding 1 to 3 blooms per stem so out of the 100 or so stems I estimate I saw, these were the exceptional ones. Definitely an umbel inflorescence – I have read that michiganense can have a raceme, but I have not seed this on any of the plants growing here in my area. "
These are not my photos and i do not know the locations.
Rimmer
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Lilium lankogense in our very dry garden today
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Very nice group of Lilium lankongense we have a few flowering here at the moment cheers Ian the Christie kind
Lilium duchartrei 1
Lilium grayi group_
Lilium grayi close
Lilium martagon yellow close
Lilium martagon yellow
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Nice-looking lilies Ian!!!
Lilium grayi is particularly impressive and a new one to me.
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Very nice Ian,I have not flowered L grayi yet but remain hopeful
Lilium chalcedonicum
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Ian, love all these beautiful lilies and have never seen yellow L. martagon.
Are they natural forms or cultivars?
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Hello ye we also love the yellow Martagon do not know if it has a name but sure it grows very well here. will try and find out, cheers Ian the Christie kind
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Ian, thank you for the information.
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Lilium amoenum
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Not blooming now (of course) but back in June.
--- Lilium monadelphum from seed collected in Georgia.
--- From "Lilium tsingtauense" seed, but not true L. tsingtauense
--- Lilium distichum
--- Lilium maculatum var. wilsonii
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Nice plants Rick! I especially liked the colour of the monadelphum.
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I have a real soft spot for lilies ( except the stinky L. pyrenaicum which Ian is so fond of and which I cannot stand :P ) and that monodelphum is just glorious.
Gentle colour, beautiful markings, perfect.
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This has to be my favourite, so reliable every year - Lilium auratum, the golden-rayed lily of Japan.
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Yes, it is striking without being in any way garish, Ralph. Very lovely.
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I love lilies, and especially the North Americans. Here are some photos of a N American hybrid whose parentage I have long since lost, growing from RHS lily group seed exchange - I think it may perhaps be a seedling of 'Coachella'? Anyway, a lovely plant. The red markings usually bleach a bit more giving an all over orange appearance, but we haven't had the sun this year to bleach anything much!
Tristan, wet in Wales.
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another Lilium chalcedonicum
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Two Dr North lilies, 'Eurydice' and 'Barbara North'
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The "North" lilies are not seen much nowadays so a treat to see these, Tristan . I suppose you know that Dr North and his wife were SRGC members?
They wrote quite a bit for "The Rock Garden" too :
NORTH, C., Into Albania : 86/63
NORTH, Dr. C. and Mrs. M.: Looking for Comperia
on Lesbos, 69/277
New Lilies by Embryo Culture, 63/97
Spring Flowers on the Island of Corfu: 71/143
Minorcan Wild Flowers: 71/149
Sicily 1980: 71/155
Crete and the Lammergaiers, : 72/220
Andalusia and the Costa del Sol, :
73/355
Spring in Majorca, : 74/67
Mojacar in Almeria, : 76/305
Spring flowers of Rhodes, : 77/405
Plant hunting round Cape St
Vincent, : 78/94
Spring in Cyprus
Part 1: The South, : 80/263
Part 2: The North, : 80/341
Flowers and birds in Israel, : 82/52
A quest for the three-fingered habenaria, :
84/240
South West Turkey — Alanya and Antalya, :
84/258
The Gargano, : 85/338
Corsica in Spring, : 87/154
Sicily Revisited, : 88/327
Some Plants of Northern Siberia, : 100/295
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it should be pointed out that 'Eurydice' was not bread by Chris North but was bred by Czechoslovakian hybridizer Vaclav Jost, and registered in 1976 as 'Eurydike' as a seedling from Dr. North's Araidne.
Eurydice was an oak nymph or one of the daughters of Apollo and wife of Orpheus
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Thank you, Rimmer.
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No, I think these lilies deserve to be more widely grown. I got these from Edrom Nurseries who have a decent selection. Hopefully they will establish.
My mother has a Rosemary North in her garden, which I really must get a bit of.
Somewhere I have a CD / DVD of images of North Lilies that I acquired when I co-ran the seed exchange for the RHS lily group. I'll see if I can find it and post some images.
Eurydice is a nice plant. And I look forward to winding up any literary types who visit by pronouncing it 'You-ree-dice'...
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The North hybrids bloomed the end of June to first 2 weeks of July here in South East Michigan, USA
here is Peggy North photographed on 28 Jun '15
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Somewhere I have a CD / DVD of images of North Lilies that I acquired when I co-ran the seed exchange for the RHS lily group. I'll see if I can find it and post some images.
That would be great, thanks.
Eurydice is a nice plant. And I look forward to winding up any literary types who visit by pronouncing it 'You-ree-dice'...
It's a name I always sing - ( Orfeo ed Euridice by Gluck) so I go with "You-ree-deee-chee " :) ;)
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Two lilies in flower now.
Lilium tigrinum flowering for the first time. Iwas given it as L. duchartrei. Personally I think the colour is horrible.
Lilium poilanei
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Tony, you think the color is horrible in that, the double is even more hideous.
Cheers John.
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I haven't grown L. lancifolium since my youth, until two years ago when I obtained some 2n material. And I have to agree, the flowers are not the beauties I remembered.
The double is best viewed from above, in my opinion, but sometimes there is interest elsewhere....
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Some cracking lilies Tony!!!
A few in flower here:
Lilium kelleyanum
Lilium mackliniae -the dark form from North-east India sometimes known as the Dzuko Lily Lilium chitrangadae. An endemic of the Dzuko valley in Nagaland.]
Nomocharis aperta
fantastic photos Steve
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last of mine to flower
Lilium auratum
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My favourite. Mine were over some weeks ago.
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Lilium philippinense has come in to bloom with me, it never fails to amaze me how tall this lily gets, nearly as tall as i am. ;D
(https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5649/20499267290_d8eeaee959_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/xes6YW)image (https://flic.kr/p/xes6YW) by John Stephen Lavin (https://www.flickr.com/photos/126223196@N05/), on Flickr
(https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5754/20661102346_8801159ebf_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/xtKxUw)image (https://flic.kr/p/xtKxUw) by John Stephen Lavin (https://www.flickr.com/photos/126223196@N05/), on Flickr
(https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5785/20500520169_56a258d63a_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/xeywqi)image (https://flic.kr/p/xeywqi) by John Stephen Lavin (https://www.flickr.com/photos/126223196@N05/), on Flickr
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Lilium speciosum grown from wild collected seed,Japan,sown January 2012
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Lilium iridollae blooming now in a pitcher plant bog in Michigan. These are fully hardy in a bog conditions in SE Michigan
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I was on Cangshan two days ago, and to my surprise L. primulinum ochraceum was in full flower! It's clearly close to L. poilanei, and looks very different from L. primulinum burmanicum. Now if only it would stop pouring down so I could get back out there...
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Cracking lilies, Bobo!
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Hi
The Lilium lancifolium florepleno in my front garden is very late this year. There are six stems in the group and the main stem has 30 buds/flowers, but only two have fully opened so far.
1. Main stem with 30 buds / flowers
2. Lancifolium along with oriental lilies
3. Realise that a double lily flower is not to everyones's taste, but it is quite striking
Pictures taken this afternoon.
Bob
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My word- that's being generous with its flower power! Tremendous height - but you don't seem to have it staked?
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Yes Maggi, the main stem is over 6 foot tall. It is not staked and it certainly waves about a bit - keeping my fingers crossed that we do not have any high winds. It is partly protected by some rhododendrons, but as more buds open it will get more top heavy and so I may be taught a nasty lesson to be more careful next year!!
Bob
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It has been so windy so often this year in Aberdeen - I've dona lot of muttering about un-staked plants!
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Some lily pictures taken this morning.
1. Last of the flowers on a 5 ft tall Lilium leichtlinii. Have had a succession of flowers on it, but the lower petals have now all fallen.
2. Last of flowers on Lilium henryi
3. Lilium lancifolium flaviforum
4. Oriental lilies are very spectacular. The poor wet summer seems to have suited them well.
Weather greatly improved here in Stirling in last couple of days. Managed to have lunch outside in the garden yesterday and breakfast today.
Bob
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At the risk of Maggi accusing me of plant abuse, I'm posting a pic of the lilium bulbs (mostly Oriental-Asiatic hybrids) I received a few weeks ago just before I planted them out on the weekend.
Annoyingly I only discovered when I went to plant them that the bag of "10 mixed Oriental-Asiatic Liliums" only contained 8 bulbs!
They should all still flower!
cheers
fermi
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There is a current discussion on PBS about getting lilies from Asian markets (shops) where they are sold for food. Has anyone in the UK found or bought any to grow on for food or ornamental purposes ? What do they taste like ? I assume they are just another vegetable. Some of the Chinese plant hunting trips a few years back identified lilies in the food they were offered.
I quite like the idea of a row of lilies in the vegetable garden ;-) (not sure about the beetles though)
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Hemerocallis, I know they are eaten but not lilium, surely? I thought they were poisonous...? :-\
Fermi that's no good! 8 for the price of 10 doesn't sound like a good deal at all. I'm sure you let them know their mistake.
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The cultivated ones sold in the west are usually L. lancifolium, I think, but L. davidii is commonly eaten here in Yunnan and Sichuan. They taste quite nice, slightly floral/sweet and starchy.
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There is a current discussion on PBS about getting lilies from Asian markets (shops) where they are sold for food. Has anyone in the UK found or bought any to grow on for food or ornamental purposes ? What do they taste like ? I assume they are just another vegetable. Some of the Chinese plant hunting trips a few years back identified lilies in the food they were offered.
I quite like the idea of a row of lilies in the vegetable garden ;-) (not sure about the beetles though)
Here in our part of California there are many Asian shops that sell lily bulbs as a food item. In Sacramento, California there is an Asian Farmers' Market on Sunday morning, 5th & Broadway. Lily can be purchased fresh, in season of coarse.
The lily bulbs I have eaten from the Asian Markets were okay, but then they were not fresh (packaged).
I have no idea how it is in the UK, however here in the USA one has to be adventuresome in the Asian Community to experience lily bulbs as a food item, or other aspects of their culture.
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I’ve been eating my own lily bulbs for years now. When you dabble in hybridizing, one ends up growing a lot of rejects that would otherwise be thrown away. One goal I have is to taste test different species, as I would expect there is likely culinary differences between them. I haven’t progressed too far on that front, as my stocks are not that large. I have to say that all the species look rather yummy. To date, I think I’ve only tried L. davidii and my asiatic hybrids of various parentage, some of which include L. lancifolium or L. davidii. It’s good to be able to grow from seed and know that there have been no pesticides applied to what I eat. How Lilium bulbs might retain such foreign chemicals is likely unknown. I’ve never been able to find any credible information relating to this, and I would be grateful if anyone here has any enlightenment.
To the question at hand: for me, Lilium bulbs taste like a starchy potato, but much sweeter. I note the floral bouquet that Bjønar speaks of, too. If anyone is interested, I started a thread called “Cooking with Lilies” on another, more general gardening site here (http://allthingsplants.com/thread/view/13821/Cooking-with-Lilies/) where much of my culinary endeavors are chronicled. The thread is rather long, but the only two posters that have actually prepared and eaten lilies are myself (username: Leftwood) and a Tasmanian called Della. Skipping to these entries for useful info will speed you along.
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Big John (Amand, bulb seller) has eaten lilies on his visits to China and , if I remember correctly, found them tasty enough....... I have often wondered what they taste of and how to cook them.
Off to follow that link of yours, Rick....
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Lilium gloriosoides,this is the form from Taiwan
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Very pretty, Tony. Does it need any special treatment?
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No nothing special although it might be slightly tender and so I am keeping it frost free.
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What a wonderful lily (double-wow!) - and the photo is beautiful as well.
Tony, how early in the season does it start to grow?
Did you grow it from seeds?
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A delightful flower, quite small if I remember correctly. Mine came from Kath Dryden probably many years ago. Tried seed once since but never got to flowering size. Hope you get some.
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No I did not grow it from seed,two bulbs came as a present from a friend. I do not know if they are the same clone and the second smaller bulb has one flower. I scaled it and have now a couple of off-sets. This is the form from Taiwan not China.
The flowers are not small but a normal L. speciosum size. It is considered by some people not to be a separate species but to be a form of L. speciosum. Depends whether you lump or split.
I think it is flowering too late in the season to get seed
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Strangely small stigma compared to what I remember from the mainland form... Are there any obvious differences other than the colour?
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A very beautiful lily, Tony! This one is very different from the gloriosoides I received in my one and only shipment from Chen Yi, many many years ago. Could yours be a successful cross of L. speciosum v. rubrum and gloriosoides? Even the foliage seems to support this.
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Rick
I also had the same one as you ( which died) and yes it is quite different but I understand it is a pure species.
I have some nice bulbs of the Chinese one coming on from seed (Yija wang) but they are a couple of years still off flowering before I can compare.
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Rick,
I think that both forms deserve specific rank.
They are definitely different.
The taiwanese form doesn't cross with any speciosum.
It also germinates epigeal at 15 °C after 6 weeks while the mainland form seems to germinate hypogeal and extra-delayed. Seeds from Yijia Wang didn't germinate at all within their first 13 weeks warm-period. They only started forming their first bulb after their first cold-period. The mainland-form also seems to be hardy - at least here in Vienna.
Interestingly the young plants dont seem to require any special treatment while the adult ones are very difficult to keep.I always ask myself how people are able to cultivate this diva. Maybe it's a matter of the substrate in conjunction with moisture.
Good job, Rick! Really well done!
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Win that is an interesting comment about the germination of the Yija seeds. Mine germinated straight away.
They are growing slowly and seem to die down very quickly but an examination of the bulbs show they are healthy. This may have been caused by the strange weather pattern we have experienced here this summer. Hot in April and then cold until now.
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I suspect you all have seen this pdf (https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CB8QFjAAahUKEwiPpsX1_obIAhUE04AKHXDbAM4&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.lilies.org%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2013%2F09%2FLilium-gloriosoides.pdf&usg=AFQjCNEon8PDz7t2a1vH79AnQ1SHLmn_NQ&bvm=bv.103073922,d.eXY). In gist, it seems to support everything being said by you all, but it's new to me.
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My one attempt using L. gloriosoides pollen on L. speciosum var. rubrum was unsuccessful, too. It was with pollen sent to me from Europe. By the way, Tony, thanks again for the L. papilliferum pollen. It looks like pollination was successful, although progression is slower than I'd like.
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Lilium gloriosoides 'Taiwan form' fully open
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Lilium speciosum (or is it? from the discussion above I don't know any more) ???
Always flowers as the leaves are dying back which doesnt really look the best. Probably I should plant it with a foliage plant that will set off the flower better. It seems to like the pot its in though.
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Win that is an interesting comment about the germination of the Yija seeds. Mine germinated straight away.
I had both type of germination : some germinated straight away (hypogeal) and some needed a period of cold before hypogeal germination but I wonder (i'm not sure) if they didn't have a first leave the same year (and so, didn't need another cold period). All bulbs are still very small and I will need to wait a *few* years before any flower....
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I had both type of germination : some germinated straight away (hypogeal) and some needed a period of cold before hypogeal germination but I wonder (i'm not sure) if they didn't have a first leave the same year (and so, didn't need another cold period). All bulbs are still very small and I will need to wait a *few* years before any flower....
I think this behaviour could depend on the degree of maturity of the seeds. Maybe some germination-inhibiting substances were not fully developed because seeds were partially harvested when not fully mature. With orchids this is the reason why some species are sown when seedpods are still green.
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It may also be a "not putting all the eggs in the same basket" strategy.
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I only have one clone of Lilium papiliferum, and it was through the generosity of a forum member here that I obtained pollen in hopes of producing seed.
Success! They are small seed, but look very good, and I have enough to share if some of you have papilliferum on your wish list. They germinate IE according to Ed McRae and Darm Crook. Darm has them germinating in 8-15 days, and recommends that once germinated, quite dry conditions are required or the seedlings will be lost. I'd be grateful for any additional advice anyone might have.
Send me a PM if you wish seed.
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Well done Rick! I've taken the liberty of adding your photo to the Seeds toScale project. ;) :)
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That's good, Maggi. Although, they seem rather small. Maybe it's because the seeds are all embryo and endosperm, and have no papery outer part like most other lily seed. So this is another question I put to the lily people here:
Is that the normal size for Lilium papilliferum seed?
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Good question, Rick.
I can tell you that only L. rhodopaeum seed, of the few pix we have of lilium seed in the seed project, is bigger.
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The seed looks okay to me. Last year I had a lot of seed which germinated along with all the rest of the Himalayan lilies such as macklinae and Nomocharis. Sown in Jan kept frost free germination when temperatures warmed up by March. Pricked out in May kept in a shady tunnel. Susan
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Forgot to say about 1/3 didn't germinate until the summer
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This summer the Oriental-Trumpet Lilium hybrids seem a bit earlier than usual but most have still been affected by the heat.
I find these are much more likely to survive in our climate but do need supplementary watering to get them to flower.
Belladonna
Ovation
Robina
Gluhwein x2
cheers
fermi