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Bulbs => Galanthus => Topic started by: Hagen Engelmann on February 01, 2016, 06:58:44 AM
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Now GRUIN is ringing
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Virescents are a rare form of snowdrop and that's a rare form of virescent.
Rare x Rare = Extraordinarily Rare ?!?
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Virescents are a rare form of snowdrop and that's a rare form of virescent.
Rare x Rare = Extraordinarily Rare ?!?
the "green" can go on different genetic ways into the flower:
1. the way of the virescent
2. the way from the inner apical mark
3. the scharlockii way
GRUIN is the actual best example for the third way, I think ...
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Gruin is quite an impressive addition to the world of viridescent Galanthus. Congratulations yet again, Hagen for your exemplary work. A fine way to start February 2016! Rick
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G. 'Bill Bishop'
G. 'Galatea'
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Wonderful Scharlockii selection, Hagen. Congratulations !
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A couple from me - there is quite a lot of white in the garden at present ::)
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Possibly the best clump of Rosemary Burnham I've seen lately, Ian. She's clearly doing well for you.
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What lovely Rosemary Burnhams - I have 2 flowers on mine and was so proud until I seen yours!!!!
Hopefully will have a few more next year if the wind and rain doesn't blow them away!!!
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Irish beauty Brenda Troyle is flowering here, great honey scent.
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What lovely Rosemary Burnhams - I have 2 flowers on mine and was so proud until I seen yours!!!!
Hopefully will have a few more next year if the wind and rain doesn't blow them away!!!
Thanks Matt
Possibly the best clump of Rosemary Burnham I've seen lately, Ian. She's clearly doing well for you.
If it's happy yours will do this in time- I started with half a bulb or an unflowered bit - a few years on it seems quite happy where it is
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the "green" can go on different genetic ways into the flower:
1. the way of the virescent
2. the way from the inner apical mark
3. the scharlockii way
I have been thinking recently that we don't have the terminology to give a proper description of the green marks on snowdrops, particularly those on the outer petals. Hagen, you clearly have a better understanding than I do because I don't fully understand your distinctions. Perhaps I have never really looked hard enough at Scharlockii; are their green marks really unique? I would be very interested if you could say more about what you mean. Or perhaps write this up in more detail for a journal?
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Hagen's green is a beauty, whichever way!
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Hi Alan, one of the much moments I would like to speak a good English.
In my eyes there was a big genetical break in the G nivalis to create the scharlockii. All these "normal" Gns have green outers. But in the time this green was/is not constant. So we can find plants with more or less green. And somewhere there are areas with Gns and Gs.There you should find a lot of different types.
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Hagen's green is a beauty, whichever way!
Thank you Anne. In my brain I think so too.
But this year GRUIN has to go into the pipeline. For his own security!
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Thanks Ian for the encouragement on Rosemary Burnham. I have only recently got the bug for collecting Snowdrops.
Here is a photo of both Sophie North and Rosemary Burnham bought as rested bulbs last year.
I am waiting for a few more bulbs to arrive from Avon Bulbs between now and March.
I have found the forum very helpful and informative. Cheers
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It's very addictive, Susan!
You have one of my special favourites there, Sophie North, which I have just added to my collection this year too.
Happy collecting!
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Thanks Ian for the encouragement on Rosemary Burnham. I have only recently got the bug for collecting Snowdrops.
Here is a photo of both Sophie North and Rosemary Burnham bought as rested bulbs last year.
I am waiting for a few more bulbs to arrive from Avon Bulbs between now and March.
I have found the forum very helpful and informative. Cheers
I agree very addictive
Sophie North is a really elegant plant it grows well enough but I don't think it will ever make a huge clump here. Here is a picture of it opening from last week
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Lovely clumps of snowdrops Ian. :)
Also I have Rosemary Burnham, one bulb, planted last summer, and I hope it will for a clump here in time. All are still under snow here now.
Sandersii Lowick also looks nice and a good increaser.
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Lovely clumps of snowdrops Ian. :)
Also I have Rosemary Burnham, one bulb, planted last summer, and I hope it will for a clump here in time. All are still under snow here now.
Sandersii Lowick also looks nice and a good increaser.
Thank you Leena
By the way I love your garden shots they are always very artistic
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A nice Scharlockii selection with 3 ears....it is stable
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Some seedlings appearing in the garden, fun to have and to see them develope
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Unpretentious, some bulbs that propagates home. I had brought the wood few years ago.
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Some nice clumps there Fred!
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A nice frilly seedling from Wendy's Gold x Corrin, but specially since it contains yellow genes - make next generation?
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That outer mark is a good one - if you can raise a yellow next generation it would be very different - it's quite "other" with the frill already!
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Now GRUIN is ringing
Hagen, one of the very best!
Galanthus koenenianus showing the lower leaf surface distinctly longitudinally ribbed.
Galanthus 'Bloomer'
Galanthus plicatus 'Amy Doncaster' - thank you Ian (Mcenery)
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Galanthus koenenianus showing the lower leaf surface distinctly longitudinally ribbed.
Hello Cyril, Any chance of a close-up extract from your original picture to show the ribbing more clearly?
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Maggi, here is a close-up, cropped from the original photo. I will try to get a new close-up shot tomorrow.
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Thanks Cyril, I think that shows it pretty well.
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Photo of mine yesterday.
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Eleven days ago we had a blizzard that dumped 30" (76.2 cm) of snow on us in 24 hours---quite exciting. Prior to that it was unseasonably warm and many snowdrops were in full flower. I covered them with plastic boxes, which I just removed a few days ago. When uncovered, the flowers were in roofless snow caves making for interesting photos.
1. Godfrey Owen
2. Godfrey Owen
3. Kite--taken today, as you can see we still have lots of snow despite many intervening days in the 50s F (10s C)
4. Kite
5. Wendy's Gold
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More snowed in snowdrops...
1. Daphne's Scissors with unusually green tips this year
2. Spindlestone Surprise
3. Spindlestone Surprise
4. Richard Ayres
5. Trumps
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The combo of snow and sun does make the 'drop pix very pretty, Carolyn
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Galanthus plicatus 'Amy Doncaster' - thank you Ian (Mcenery)
Cyril
Nice too see it's doing well for you
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By the way I love your garden shots they are always very artistic
Thank you Ian, it is just that I try to take the pictures at an angle which doesn't show all the unwanted things and not so pretty plants. ;) I reality my garden is not as good as it seems in pictures, but I hope some day it will be. I planted my first woodland bed six years ago, and have made new expansions every year since, for the new plants. :)
Seeing pictures of flowering plants here helps when I have to wait here for the snow to melt and ground to defrost.
Beautiful snowdrops in the snow Carolyn :)
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The very first snowdrop bulb I ever bought was G.Colesborne at Colesbourne House ten years ago. The Book says it is slow-growing, and true to its billing each year since then it has obstinately sent up a single flowering shoot. This year the flowering shoot is there with, hooray, an offset shoot. Patience rewarded!
Oddly, more recently I have grown Colesborne elsewhere in the garden and it has divided steadily.
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Nice pictures Cyril,hope my bloomer performs as well ;)
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Hi Anne & Cyril your galanthus koenenianus plants are beauty's. Another galanthus for my wish list.
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The very first snowdrop bulb I ever bought was G.Colesborne at Colesbourne House ten years ago...
I too bought a bulb of 'Colesbourne' 'Colossus' at Colesbourne House about 10 years ago. I very quickly lost it. So a few years later I bought another one and lost that. Unwilling to give up, I bought a clump (very reasonably priced) at the last ever Galanthus Gala in 2013. That has done really well, I now have it in two locations in the garden and also a large pot full. Last Saturday I went to the Norfolk Plant Heritage Snowdrop Day. All attendees were given a free snowdrop, pre-assigned to their ticket number. What did I get? More 'Colossus'!
Edit: I found myself writing 'Colesbourne' when, of course, I meant 'Colossus' (thanks to Brian Ellis for pointing out my error). 'Colossus' originated at Colesbourne House but I have never felt that it was the best choice of name because there are plenty of larger snowdrops and 'Colossus' reaches its largest only long after the flowers are over. So I guess my brain does not want to remember a name that does not sit easy with it.
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I've been passing this clump of galanthus to and from my place of work for the last thirteen years and have seen it slowly increase in size, can anyone tell me what variety it is please? Sorry about the photo's, the clump is on a main road so I had to be quick.
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Looks like the common double snowdrop, Galanthus nivalis 'Flore Pleno', John.
Nice pictures Cyril,hope my bloomer performs as well ;)
Chas, my plant came from Margaret Owen and is clumping up well but I think it was named by John Morley.
Here is a picture showing the lower leaf surface of Galanthus koenenianus, quite a small but delicate species.
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Very attractive foliage, isn't it?
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Thanks for identifying it for me Cyril, it seems as good a plant as ordinary nivalis. Your koenenianus plant has great lined foliage and the flowers arn't bad either.
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Very attractive foliage, isn't it?
Certainly is, in fact this is the main attraction of the species.
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Thanks for identifying it for me Cyril, it seems as good a plant as ordinary nivalis.
It has pros and cons. Because it is a double, the petal spread wider so seen en-masse you get a better impression of a white carpet; "vegetable snow" to quote Thomas Tickell. But if you examine the individual flowers you will see that they are messily arranged with irregular petals; quite unlike the perfect symmetry of the single form.
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I visited the Castle yesterday for another load of Beech leafmould we had just enough sunshine amidst the snow showers for Snowdrops to open I am posting a few pictures fro the wild and one good find from last year, cheers Ian the Christie kind
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A few more love your new green Hagan
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Here is a picture showing the lower leaf surface of Galanthus koenenianus, quite a small but delicate species.
Magnificent group Cyril
It is a very elegant species
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Certainly is, in fact this is the main attraction of the species.
And yet I don't remember that we've seen much of the plant in the forum..... that may be down to the plant not being very widely grown - or there being a greater emphasis on "new " cultivars !
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..... that may be down to the plant not being very widely grown - or there being a greater emphasis on "new " cultivars !
I think the two go hand-in-hand. We galanthophiles get so mesmerised by the new cultivars that we often forget about the less-common species. This makes them relatively cheap, so relatively unattractive to nurserymen, so relatively hard to come-by.
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I think the two go hand-in-hand. We galanthophiles get so mesmerised by the new cultivars that we often forget about the less-common species. This makes them relatively cheap, so relatively unattractive to nurserymen, so relatively hard to come-by.4
In my experience many of the more obscure species are unattractive to nurserymen because they are difficult to grow and don't multiply quickly enough even though they are often more beautiful
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In my experience many of the more obscure species are unattractive to nurserymen because they are difficult to grow and don't multiply quickly enough even though they are often more beautiful
...nonetheless they are available if you know where to look. I know of a couple of suppliers of koenenianus, but of course as it is not generally grown (can be quite tricky, needs good drainage and semi-shade) there is not a big pool of bulbs to begin with. It is the specialists where you will find these should you want to seek them out.
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Hi Brian I wouldn't mind having a go at growing koenenianus, could you please let me know who sell it?
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Got my delivery from Avon Bulbs today - the bulbs are stunning - much better than expected.
These plants are soooo addictive!!!!!!!
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...nonetheless they are available if you know where to look. I know of a couple of suppliers of koenenianus, but of course as it is not generally grown (can be quite tricky, needs good drainage and semi-shade) there is not a big pool of bulbs to begin with. It is the specialists where you will find these should you want to seek them out.
I agree that you can find it (I have and I acquired a couple of clones) but don't all rush because if any grower has as many has Cyril has in that pot I would be very surprised. The number of well grown plants showing in this pot is remarkable
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My plant came as a single dormant bulb in 2010 from the Wallises but it was not particularly cheap. With regular repotting, it will increase but I could have been lucky and got a clone that multiplies well. Most of the smaller species are best grown in pots as they are easier to appreciate and do not get swamped in the garden by the more vigorous varieties.
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The Wallises also have a G.koenenianus x fosteri
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That's where I got my bulb of that hybrid.
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Just sent off a email to Rannveigh, Brian, all my fingers are crossed.
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Very attractive foliage, isn't it?
yes - nice contrast between ridged reverse and smooth upper surface
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G.plicatus ssp byzantinus 'Joe Sharman ' has produced two flowers from the same scape. 8)
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G.plicatus ssp byzantinus 'Joe Sharman ' has produced two flowers from the same scape. 8)
Just a little green myself at that Steve!
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This clump of G. 'Lady Beatriz Stanley' at the Shaw garden on Cape Cod earlier this week. I love the simplicity with a touch of elegance of this old standard.
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A complete delight yesterday as my newly acquired Ronald Mackenzie (thanks Ian Christie) obligingly opened to reveal just how beautiful this variety is!
Unusually for me, being grown in a pot under glass, following very welcome advice from Neil Parker who is a fellow yellow addict and who has had great success with this method.
Just starting out with this variety but that flower goes joint top of my yellows alongside Gold Sovereign, and is a real incentive to try and succeed with this reportedly difficult customer!
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This clump of G. 'Lady Beatriz Stanley' at the Shaw garden on Cape Cod earlier this week. I love the simplicity with a touch of elegance of this old standard.
She's very elegant, Rick. I'm a huge fan of the neat, regular doubles. Reputed to have an excellent fragrance too?
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Here one of ones that I like. Yvonne Hay a very elegant lady (a gift Thanks Tony W)
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Unusually for me, being grown in a pot under glass, following very welcome advice from Neil Parker who is a fellow yellow addict and who has had great success with this method.
That is good to know I should obviously have spoken to him considering my abysmal record with this one, perhaps I should try it for the fourth time! My gray cells were obviously not working well as the most wonderful potful I ever saw was plainly grown under glass and I had not thought about that.. ::) ::)
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Managed to get a few photos between the gales this afternoon. Some of my meagre plantings are bulking up at last - I mostly only planted 3 bulbs of each, though the James Backhouse has been there for 20 years.
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A tiny little nivalis from Estonia, and an unregistered Dryad Gold clone.
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Nothing special - just a happy combination in flower today
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Nothing nicer!
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I love looking pictures of your snowdrops in the garden, with crocus, hellebores and other plants. :)
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A tiny little nivalis from Estonia, and an unregistered Dryad Gold clone.
lovely yellow - contrasting well with the glaucous foliage. Good to see it's vigorous enough to deal with the odd slug, inevitable in this wet winter!
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Two Irish snowdrops flowering for the first time with me, the first is castlegar, is this a usually tall variety? Next is two plants of straffan, all three are great plants and hopefully I can increase them and plant some in the garden.
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When I saw Galanthus 'Twister' described as: "a snowdrop that stands out as being of exceptional beauty" and "a peerless, glistening white" I was naturally sceptical. I have now been observing mine in flower, for a number of days, and I completely agree!
Reported as, "a hybrid between Galanthus elwesii and G. gracilis", it is a tall drop with large imposing flowers of a gleaming white. The apical mark is dark green with lovely clean, crisp edges.
The leaves are out of this world in a number of ways, they are a wonderful deep blue/green BUT it is the twist which is bizarrely stunning and has invited much positive comment from observers.
Andy Byfield described Twister as having: "twisting upright dark blue green foliage" and he was not exaggerating!
I am not normally a fan of the 'unusual drops' but the leaves are incredibly striking and commanding. My AT observed 'there is a more than a touch of Ridley Scott about that snowdrop'.
It is growing very well and starting to bulk up, so it looks like a very good do'er in the garden.
An exceptional drop Andy!
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Not a particularly good day here for photography with the wind gusting and bouncing the flowers around. But did manage to get a few of Galanthus 'Pearl Drops' as it was open in the sun. Now in its fourth year in the garden it is now clumping up nicely. The outers can be up to 40mm.
1 and 2. Galanthus "Pearl Drops'
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Some drops from my Berlin garden today :D
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Margaret Biddulph in the sun today ;)
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A bit wild here in the West of Scotland so brought Rosemary Burnham and Trumps inside for a quick photo just in case they are blown away by tomorrow. These were bought as rested bulbs and are doing really well.
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Wonderful photos, Susan. Your Rosemary B looks especially fine.
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Some drops from my Berlin garden today :D
Lucky to get outside to photograph them, Irm! We have had only a very brief spot of sun after a lot of rain :'( - but most flowers not as advanced as yours yet so that helps a bit!
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Wonderful photos, Susan. Your Rosemary B looks especially fine.
Thanks Matt - I am loving this Galanthus hobby - really hooked - helps me focus on something in this dire weather we are having.
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Hello I was a speaker at the AGS snowdrop day yesterday the rain was monsoon with roads and surrounding areas flooded had a super day meeting old and new friends a few pictures from the event, cheers Ian the Christie kind
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A few more, Ian
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I did not buy all the plants in the black crates Ian
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Lovely pictures, Ian. Thank you for sharing
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Something Phantomising on your last photo Ingrid!
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Hello I was a speaker at the AGS snowdrop day yesterday the rain was monsoon with roads and surrounding areas flooded had a super day meeting old and new friends a few pictures from the event, cheers Ian the Christie kind
Nice to see Ian -wish i could have been there
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Dear friends, thanks to you all for your reports and the beautiful pictures.
Now flowering is G. elwesii from Marpuz/ Turkey
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On a very windy afternoon, Galanthus 'Mother Goose' seen yesterday showing its nice yellow markings in a clump of mature bulbs.
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I agree very addictive
Sophie North is a really elegant plant it grows well enough but I don't think it will ever make a huge clump here. Here is a picture of it opening from last week
Given time, Sophie North does clump up well. I find it does not like being too wet, especially in the winter.
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On a very windy afternoon, Galanthus 'Mother Goose' seen yesterday showing its nice yellow markings in a clump of mature bulbs.
On a very windy afternoon, Galanthus 'Mother Goose' seen yesterday showing its green mark with a tinge of yellow.
Bulb now in place undisturbed for 2 years. Initially told it would take a year to settle, now told it could take up to three years to return to it's billed colour. This experience is also evident with other growers including those who re-pot yearly and thus could face the prospect of never seeing a return to yellow, being unaware of the problem when purchased. Growers following the advice that snowdrops "should therefore be lifted about every three years" would face a similar dilemma.
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Here 'Trumps' and the last three are 'Big Boy'
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On a very windy afternoon, Galanthus 'Mother Goose' seen yesterday showing its green mark with a tinge of yellow.
Bulb now in place undisturbed for 2 years. Initially told it would take a year to settle, now told it could take up to three years to return to it's billed colour. This experience is also evident with other growers including those who re-pot yearly and thus could face the prospect of never seeing a return to yellow, being unaware of the problem when purchased. Growers following the advice that snowdrops "should therefore be lifted about every three years" would face a similar dilemma.
Time for a good measure of patience! Seasoned snowdrop collectors sit it out and wait for that magical moment when a drop shows its true colour, whenever that might be. One can be certain anything North Green has selected is tops. In the 1980's when I first got 'Rosemary Burnham' others said it was ungrowable, cantankerous, problematic and would never settle down - yes it was a wait but then she exploded and we had it coming out of our ears. Would I do it over again? You bet I would.
How many times have I bought 'S. Arnott' and failed? I care not to think but I'd hazard over the years it cost me more than a 'Diggory' of the late 1990's or a 'Mother Goose' of today. Frankly I'd be quite pleased to just have access to a 'Mother Goose' on a sale table. A simple solution would be to move future offsets to various sites until you get it right.
Now I'm off to plant Rhododendron proteoides seed which is said to flower after 25+ years or never.
johnw
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Time for a good measure of patience!
Well you would need rather a lot if:
1. You re-potted each year or
2. You followed the advice that snowdrops "should therefore be lifted about every three years"
and it was known that it could take three years to revert to the colour described. You could of course spend the time considering whether you would have made the purchase decision if you had been made aware of the colour issues before you purchased!
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"Well you would need rather a lot if:"
I suggest you not get into Magnolias either.
john
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"Well you would need rather a lot if:"
I suggest you not get into Magnolias either.
john
For good horticultural reasons I would not, but if I want any suggestions, I will let you know!
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On a very windy afternoon, Galanthus 'Mother Goose' seen yesterday showing its nice yellow markings in a clump of mature bulbs.
David, great shots of a drop I would love to grow some day :)
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Very interesting. My Mother Goose is yellow as described on the tin, and my Elizabeth Harrison was the "proper yellow" (until the narcissus fly grub ate them) although I know some people have found the coloration of their EH to be altogether more insipid. Maybe soil PH has something to do with it. My Savill Gold are only now prospering and a really deep yellow buried in a very acid bark chippings path. But my Fiona's Gold, which for the past three years has been a soft yellow, this year is almost green in colour. Maybe the dryness of the soil in the initial growing period affects the colour. Maybe the yellows just like to keep an air of mystery. I guess if its certainty you are after you need to be an undertaker or a tax inspector.
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David, great shots of a drop I would love to grow some day :)
with you there Dean!
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Given time, Sophie North does clump up well. I find it does not like being too wet, especially in the winter.
I think that goes for a lot of snowdrops particularly the yellows but unfortunately not much hope of saving them from getting too wet this winter ;)
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On a very windy afternoon, Galanthus 'Mother Goose' seen yesterday showing its nice yellow markings in a clump of mature bulbs.
A lovely drop, and more so due to my eye for a strong yellow. Thank you for posting this treasure, David. And I do hope our Blonde Ingrid gets that yellow color sooner than later. And Steve, what a lovely troupe of 'Savill Gold'. Loving all the terrific golds and yellows you have all posted. Rick
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Very interesting. My Mother Goose is yellow as described on the tin.....
Who is selling tinned snowdrops? :o
;D
cheers
fermi
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A nivalis find from yesterday - two sinus marks and notably incurved outers
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Josh, the incurved outers usually mean the flower is about to go over. I also like the ones with a reduced sinus mark but I'm holding out for a fully albino snowdrop with no green at all, not even on the inside of the inner petals. I think Hagen may have a few of those.
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A nivalis find from yesterday - two sinus marks and notably incurved outers
Josh, a terrific find. The long narrow outers are unique, and I am a sucker for marks on the inners with twin small dots each one on either side of the sinus. Hats off! Rick
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I'm holding out for a fully albino snowdrop with no green at all, not even on the inside of the inner petals. I think Hagen may have a few of those.
Alas Alan, I found a pure white plicatus last year but I feared virus was cause and looks that way this year! (few seedlings in the pot though so I'll grow them on and see what happens)
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Josh, a terrific find. The long narrow outers are unique, and I am a sucker for marks on the inners with twin small dots each one on either side of the sinus. Hats off! Rick
Thanks Rick - all inners on both bulbs had the two sinus marks, so hope for a repeat and maybe more flowers next year as the offsets mature!
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This was my yellow find from a couple of days ago, when Storm Imogen was going through (and looking a bit battered for it!). The name Imogen's Gold comes to mind, but that would be jumping the gun only two days after finding it!
First pic shows two of the three flowers (with Ecusson d'or, lacking yellow on outers); second is a cropped close up of the first; and third is a group shot with some other yellows ready for planting up the new spring garden (with lots of other lovely spring flowers including Hellebores, Cyclamen, Trillium, Erythronium etc etc) - left to right: the lovely Grake's Yellow from Valentin Wijnen (the closest comparator); Madelaine; new find; Ecusson d'or
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A truly beautiful addition to the virescent collection, Galanthus 'Northern Lights' from Andy Byfield!
Described as "a hybrid - perhaps G. nivalis x byzantinus, with a bit of gracilis thrown in". Whatever its antecedents, it is an incredibly lovely snowdrop.
On the Flete Walled Gardens site Andy described Northern Lights as "Its a blighter to photograph". Consequently, the photos there, do not highlight the utterly stunning grey/green wash on the outers to their full effect. I have tried my best here to capture how the wash looks.
The colour (as colour is subjective, I have tried to standardise as much as possible by using International Shades of Green in Nature definitions) ensures it stands out distinctively from some of the other major virescents such as Morgana, Simply Glowing and Rosemary Burnham, all of which have Avocado as the colour on the inner.
Described as being, "the most subtle shade of light chartreuse green", Northern Lights has an Asparagus inner with the outers having Mantis washed with Laurel Green. It stands apart as it is the only one of these virescents which has a grey green on the outers and a different green (Asparagus as opposed to Avocado) on the inners.
Mine is growing very close to Morgana and the difference in green is manifest.
It is a thoroughly beautiful snowdrop and a must have addition for virescent aficionados and those who love elegant variety!!
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Yesterday, in garden, I bought a pot that contains 5 bulbs Galanthus nivalis.
What caught my eye is that on the table, there was only one specimen whose petals were rolled up backwards.
What do you think ?
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On a very windy afternoon, Galanthus 'Mother Goose' seen yesterday showing its green mark with a tinge of yellow.
Bulb now in place undisturbed for 2 years. Initially told it would take a year to settle, now told it could take up to three years to return to it's billed colour. This experience is also evident with other growers including those who re-pot yearly and thus could face the prospect of never seeing a return to yellow, being unaware of the problem when purchased. Growers following the advice that snowdrops "should therefore be lifted about every three years" would face a similar dilemma.
There is hope. Here is 'Mother Goose' looking quite gold in John Lonsdale's collection, and he says it was repotted less than a year ago.
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Found in the garden a week ago and photographed today.
A small yellow - not more than 4cm. high
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This was my yellow find from a couple of days ago, when Storm Imogen was going through (and looking a bit battered for it!). The name Imogen's Gold comes to mind, but that would be jumping the gun only two days after finding it!
First pic shows two of the three flowers (with Ecusson d'or, lacking yellow on outers); second is a cropped close up of the first; and third is a group shot with some other yellows ready for planting up the new spring garden (with lots of other lovely spring flowers including Hellebores, Cyclamen, Trillium, Erythronium etc etc) - left to right: the lovely Grake's Yellow from Valentin Wijnen (the closest comparator); Madelaine; new find; Ecusson d'or
Josh, you yellow find seems to have a pale stripe along the leaf - can you confirm?
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A few clumps in my garden today
Diggory
Nivalis lutescens
Brenda Troyle
Straffan
Wendy's Gold
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So far one of the best G. plicatus from the castle was found last year. It is coming up healthily and strongly this year with large rounded puckered outers, 'Bubblewrap' for personal reference.
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Hello I Have seen a few comments about G. woronowii Elizabeth Harrison and I saw a few in a pot at AGS snowdrop day were young bulbs I suspect rather small here are the real Flowers here.
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Josh, you yellow find seems to have a pale stripe along the leaf - can you confirm?
Yes, Anne - now you mention it, the yellow find has a noticeably pale median stripe on pale, soft green leaves
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I love the contrast of green leaves and yellow in the flowers in 'Elisabeth Harrison'. :)
Wonderful clumps.
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Two Irish snowdrops flowering for the first time with me, the first is castlegar, is this a usually tall variety?
I'd say its too tall and should have a small mark
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I know many of you don't like facebook but here are two albums I created this week. The photos are over exposed but I just found out I can adjust the exposure on my phone
https://www.facebook.com/mark.smyth.33449/media_set?set=a.10208636415298775.1073741834.1561943316&type=3&pnref=story (https://www.facebook.com/mark.smyth.33449/media_set?set=a.10208636415298775.1073741834.1561943316&type=3&pnref=story)
https://www.facebook.com/mark.smyth.33449/media_set?set=a.10208636420178897.1073741835.1561943316&type=3&pnref=story (https://www.facebook.com/mark.smyth.33449/media_set?set=a.10208636420178897.1073741835.1561943316&type=3&pnref=story)
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What would you say I've got then Mark?
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Hello I Have seen a few comments about G. woronowii Elizabeth Harrison and I saw a few in a pot at AGS snowdrop day were young bulbs I suspect rather small here are the real Flowers here.
Reassuring to see the real thing doing its stuff Ian!
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What would you say I've got then Mark?
Can you show the inner mark?
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I know many of you don't like facebook but here are two albums I created this week. The photos are over exposed but I just found out I can adjust the exposure on my phone
https://www.facebook.com/mark.smyth.33449/media_set?set=a.10208636415298775.1073741834.1561943316&type=3&pnref=story (https://www.facebook.com/mark.smyth.33449/media_set?set=a.10208636415298775.1073741834.1561943316&type=3&pnref=story)
https://www.facebook.com/mark.smyth.33449/media_set?set=a.10208636420178897.1073741835.1561943316&type=3&pnref=story (https://www.facebook.com/mark.smyth.33449/media_set?set=a.10208636420178897.1073741835.1561943316&type=3&pnref=story)
Beautiful photography, Mark. Thank you for posting this link. Rick
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A couple of elegant and probable relatives
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thought i'd add a close up as the main shot shows the elegance of the plant but the selection shows the delicacy of the flower
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I love that shape!
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thought i'd add a close up as the main shot shows the elegance of the plant but the selection shows the delicacy of the flower
That is a very nice plant, and seems to thrive in your garden. :)
I planted it couple of years ago in spring and last year it flowered but the flowers came up very early and suffered from cold, I think, and perhaps I planted it in the wrong place. I was going to move it to a drier place in the summer but forgot (however G.plicatus beside it likes the soil). It was already showing it's nose before winter in December, let's see how it will look this spring.
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I know many of you don't like facebook but here are two albums I created this week. The photos are over exposed but I just found out I can adjust the exposure on my phone
https://www.facebook.com/mark.smyth.33449/media_set?set=a.10208636415298775.1073741834.1561943316&type=3&pnref=story (https://www.facebook.com/mark.smyth.33449/media_set?set=a.10208636415298775.1073741834.1561943316&type=3&pnref=story)
https://www.facebook.com/mark.smyth.33449/media_set?set=a.10208636420178897.1073741835.1561943316&type=3&pnref=story (https://www.facebook.com/mark.smyth.33449/media_set?set=a.10208636420178897.1073741835.1561943316&type=3&pnref=story)
I am sure they are very nice Mark but if you are not a Facebook member you cannot see them, I just get your page with a sign in to do.
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thought i'd add a close up as the main shot shows the elegance of the plant but the selection shows the delicacy of the flower
Very elegant flower Ian. The species have a charm all of their own.
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Here's another pic Mark, my plant has a lot bigger mark.
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Very elegant flower Ian. The species have a charm all of their own.
Cyril my favourites too
I am trying to raise some species from seed though not from this form as is supposed to be sterile a fact I find odd
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Here's another pic Mark, my plant has a lot bigger mark.
Definitely not Castlegar and I'm not sure what it is
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Is it a plicatus? It looks a bit like Timpany Late
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A gift from Lithuania of Galanthus caucasicus but someone says it is probably Galanthus alpinus
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Hi mark I think you could be right about it being a plicatus, the marks look the same. I will check my plants in the garden just to be sure.
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Perhaps someone here could help me out. I'm no Galanthus expert - they are mainly things that pop up from time to time in my garden ;)
Last night I watched the end of an e-bay auction for a single bulb of 'golden fleece'. It went for £747 (960 Euro/ 1083 USD) :o
Why? What am I missing?
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Simple answer : snowdrops are popular / snowdrops have some fanatical followers / this snowdrop is a "new" variety/ some snowdrop fanatics have plenty money .......see, quite simple. :o
(It's better not to look too closely into the various - "takes time to settle to its full potential" comments and their like! There are plenty of reports of such "different" plants not being stable in the characteristics which make them "special" - it's a minefield, I reckon. Mind you, some of these plants are very pretty, and if people have the disposable income to splash on these bulbs, well, so be it! ::) ;)
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I showed Andrea what Golden Fleece went for Maggi and she said some people have more money then sense, but I pointed to her that's it's there money they can do with it what they like which got me a look. :D :D
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I showed Andrea what Golden Fleece went for Maggi and she said some people have more money then sense, but I pointed to her that's it's there money they can do with it what they like which got me a look. :D :D
I'm certainly not questioning what people may or may not do with their own money on e-bay or anywhere else...
I was simply asking... What makes this particular 'bulb' worth ~ $1100 at auction?
Does it have unique breeding properties? Is it so rare that a collector would see it as a 'previously extinct' variant that has suddenly re-appeared?
Honestly, I am not questioning the 'right' of anyone to pay whatever they wish for whatever they want ... Just asking, what makes that particular variant worth that kind of money?
I had thought that Worsleya procera was probably the most expensive plant on Earth but now ...
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I repeat my previous answer - Simple answer : snowdrops are popular / snowdrops have some fanatical followers / this snowdrop is a "new" variety/ some snowdrop fanatics have plenty money .....
I'm not making comment on what people may or may not spend their money on either - I'm just stating the case that leads to these high prices.
The fact is that all of these expensive snowdrops have some minor differences from the typical snowdrop -which may or may not be stable - and which make them irresistible to collectors. It is really is as simple as that.
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I was actually responding to 'johnstephen29' and his(?) view that one can spend ones money wherever one wants.
True enough. But what makes that particular 'bulb' worth that kind of money? Is it 'breeding material'? Is it 'collectors material'? I was simply asking, what, as a complete ignoramus in matters Galanthus, makes that bulb worth £750?
I believe that some 'Art' that sells for 50 million is absolute rubbish but, then again, I'm not the one buying it. What makes the bulb in question worth, to somebody, £750?
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Golden Fleece is not a unique event; in fact it is part of a trend. Numbers of new snowdrop varieties for sale each year* or advertised on Ebay, shown with the average price across those new varieties in first year, were:
(* that I know of; there could well have been others that didn't cross my radar)
2007 8 £14
2008 11 £17
2009 16 £23
2010 18 £28
2011 22 £33
2012 24 £38
2013 27 £45
2014 25 £51
2015 28 £56
2016 24 (to date) £88
This data covers just new introductions in their year of introduction; data further shows that in subsequent years prices fall, e.g. Cowhouse Green, Trumps, Flocon de Neige, Green Tear - as people buy the new rarity, twinscale it, and the supply thus increases.
This creates two pressures; a) on "discoverers" to continue to market new names with claimed distinct marketable qualities, b) available space in the gardens of would-be growers. Of course, some snowdrop gardeners have avoided the limited garden space problem by deciding not to grow any of the "common or garden" varieties but only the new exotic introductions.
Is this a sustainable situation? That depends on the ability of snowdrop introducers to widen the market of growers, eg in Germany or the United States; it will also be affected by the publication of the Snowdrops 2 book. Someone I spoke to yesterday likened the whole new snowdrop-price thing to the mythical Oozlum bird. Please Google this fabulous bird and see if you detect the parallel too.
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Hi Hud I don't know wether a individual or a company bought the bulb, if a company they will want to bulk it up by whatever means as quickly as possible to get there money back, like what happened with Elizabeth Harrison a few years back. If a single person it might be the attraction of having a rare bulb that not many people have, who knows. I went a bit mad with a bulb of Kildare that I wanted and had to have.
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... But what makes that particular 'bulb' worth that kind of money?
It's USP would be that it is the yellowest snowdrop there is.
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Well actually the price went down this year.
Last year it reached the 1300 pounds mark- a new record.
What makes it so unique is the fact that it is a yellow Trym and that it took someone ten years to breed.
It is a variety Galanthophiles dreamed about for years and someone could make the dream come true with deliberate crossing.
You can see the same with hepatica. Some avid collectors pay way over 600 pounds for a "new" variety.
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I don't know if you go on eBay hud, but if someone see's something on eBay and they want it badly enough they will try there best to get it. As long as they have deep enough pockets of course.
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I'd bet there are breeding programmes to get yellow in to a snowdrop like Green Tear
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Yes I bet there will.
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Further to my original post on 'Northern Lights', I have now got some of my comparison shots together to show its uniqueness.
The International Shades of Green in Nature definitions are not definitive but enable comparison to try and determine what is unique about each variety.
Morgana derives the 'power' of its greenness significantly because of the shape of the outers which ensure that an element of the Avocado inner is nearly always visible from bud to full flower. In addition, the green on the outer fuses to a solid green tip.
Simply Glowing derives its 'glow' from a strong yellow/green wash over and around the lines on the outers. Rosemary Burnham's outers have no wash/bleed and are Celedon Green.
Northern Lights has an Asparagus inner with the outers having Mantis washed with Laurel Green. It stands apart as it is the only one of these virescents which has a grey green on the outers and a different green (Asparagus as opposed to Avocado) on the inners.
I will extend the analysis to include my Castle Green Dragon and Green Mile when I can get the photos.
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Further to my original post on 'Northern Lights', I have now got some of my comparison shots together to show its uniqueness.
Great comparison shots Ingrid
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I haven't taken any pictures in the garden, very remiss of me and sheer laziness. Here are a couple of Garden Centre snowdrops - G. elwesii I think?
P.S The italicize button doesn't seem to work any more.
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Lots of snowdrops have gone over without my taking a picture - must try harder next year. Here is the diminutive Galanthus artjuschenkoae and Galanthus 'Ophelia', a Greatorex double.
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P.S The italicize button doesn't seem to work any more.
Galanthus artjuschenkoae - yes it does ;)
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Not for me it doesn't! Not since I upgraded to Windows 10 and Microsoft Edge.
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Not for me it doesn't! Not since I upgraded to Windows 10 and Microsoft Edge.
Ah well there you go - there is probably some "fix" you can do for that - but such things are beyond our ken!
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there is probably some "fix" you can do for that
The 'fix' is to use another web browser. I raised this particular issue as soon as Windows 10 was released at the end of July but it still has not been resolved. I suspect that either SimpleMachines or Microsoft could do something about it is they chose to but neither wishes to budge, it seems.
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I'll try Chrome...
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Sorry, but I think that if the problem arises with Microsoft I think it's a bit tough to expect a set-up like Simple Machines which provides its services for free to fix the issue.
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It works with Chrome.
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Galanthus 'Ophelia'
not 100% sure but I think that one was named after one of my friends mother
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this is a cultivation question - we have a stone bridge at the top of the land we have - its about 20-25 foot high running west to east - so the ground below it is in complete shade from about 10:30 in the morning - earlier in winter
I am supposed to be building a growing bed in that area which will be about 15 foot in depth from the bridge and about 40 foot length (I marked the shadow at 12 noon on the 21st June)
I will be moving all the woodland plants we have up there from another area which has a south facing tree screen (so I can remove the trees)
Will the snowdrops be fine round the edge of will they need more light?
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not 100% sure but I think that one was named after one of my friends mother
I think H. A. Greatorex named his doubles after Shakespearian characters, so it would be Ophelia from "Hamlet".
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Further to my original post on 'Northern Lights', I have now got some of my comparison shots together to show its uniqueness.
The International Shades of Green in Nature definitions are not definitive but enable comparison to try and determine what is unique about each variety.
Morgana derives the 'power' of its greenness significantly because of the shape of the outers which ensure that an element of the Avocado inner is nearly always visible from bud to full flower. In addition, the green on the outer fuses to a solid green tip.
Simply Glowing derives its 'glow' from a strong yellow/green wash over and around the lines on the outers. Rosemary Burnham's outers have no wash/bleed and are Celedon Green.
Northern Lights has an Asparagus inner with the outers having Mantis washed with Laurel Green. It stands apart as it is the only one of these virescents which has a grey green on the outers and a different green (Asparagus as opposed to Avocado) on the inners.
I will extend the analysis to include my Castle Green Dragon and Green Mile when I can get the photos.
But what do you think of Witchwood?
Doesn't it look similar to Northern Lights?
The flower does to me.
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I think too, there are some more ones in the quality of NORTHERN LIGHT, may be only on the continent. But NL is very special, no question.
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I think H. A. Greatorex named his doubles after Shakespearian characters, so it would be Ophelia from "Hamlet".
Is there an Olivia?
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Is there an Olivia?
From an article by Richard Hobbs here: http://www.badcog.co.uk/Documents/Snowdrop%20acre.pdf (http://www.badcog.co.uk/Documents/Snowdrop%20acre.pdf)
Fourteen of these plants were selected and named by Greatorex himself. He released
Nerissa, Hippolyta and Lavinia before 1948, with the rest of the Shakespearian
Characters, namely Cordelia, Desdemona, Dionysus, Jaquenetta, Titania and
Ophelia following before his death in 1954.
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A fascinating article.
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thanks Alan - yes it is - I better go and find the pot - it might be Lavinia
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Seen at the RHS Westminster Flower Show today.
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I hope the Irish snowdrop lovers have already got their tickets - but there may still be time to book - for the Bellefield Event http://www.irishsnowdrops.org/ (http://www.irishsnowdrops.org/) - featuring Jose Bavcon and Wim Boens this year 8)
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A nice frilly seedling from Wendy's Gold x Corrin, but specially since it contains yellow genes - make next generation?
Anne,
Just now seeing this. Absolutely fabulous. Hats off!
Rick
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This years set of nails for Chris Mole
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I love seeing Christine mole's super nail art each year - these are particularly snazzy - I think the background colour is very fetching.
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I hope the Irish snowdrop lovers have already got their tickets - but there may still be time to book - for the Bellefield Event http://www.irishsnowdrops.org/ (http://www.irishsnowdrops.org/) - featuring Jose Bavcon and Wim Boens this year 8)
I'd rather spend the entrance cost on a couple of snowdrops
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A cute seedling in the garden 10.5cm high. Three in a tiny clump. Sacrificed this one for the photos. The coin is 22mm across. I've marked them to remind me to chip one this summer
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a special drop flowering in my garden now: Franz Hadacek. A found from Gert Hoek
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I love seeing Christine mole's super nail art each year - these are particularly snazzy - I think the background colour is very fetching.
Do you fancy some for yourself maggi?
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a special drop flowering in my garden now: Franz Hadacek. A found from Gert Hoek
This beautiful 'drop is named for one of the hero members of the Scottish Rock Garden Club - an inspirational grower !
I was fortunate enough to be given a bulb, which I treasure - and I hope I will see a flower next year.
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Do you fancy some for yourself maggi?
If I had decent nails I might be tempted, John!
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Are you a biter?
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No - just weak nails, usually broken down by poking around in the garden!
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When a female galanthophile is coming into our garden, my first view is going to the nails .... always ...
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Clovis , still looking good
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here is a meeting of three Gn VIRESCENS ...
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A green Mosquito, a snowdrop I found this year in a clump of 20 more or less the same
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A green Mosquito, a snowdrop I found this year in a clump of 20 more or less the same
That's lovely. Do all have a single inner petal?
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Most have, some have a double Mark.
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Green Taer and Green Mile.: different but I like them both
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I received a gift of Green Tear this week. Now my wish is for a Green Mile :)
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GREEN TEAR is in the pipeline,
GREEN MILE too, but not in mine ::)
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I know exactly what you mean Maggi, that's why I always keep mine short, the soils a devil to get out ;D
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a special drop flowering in my garden now: Franz Hadacek. A found from Gert Hoek
Special indeed, a different sort of poc and lovely to see it, thanks.
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I know exactly what you mean Maggi, that's why I always keep mine short, the soils a devil to get out ;D
Tip from my late Mum - though I seldom remember to do it myself - take a softish bar of soap - dig all your nails into the soap to fill them with the soap before doing any dirty work in the garden - feels a bit odd, but it works.
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I do that also
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Tip from my late Mum - though I seldom remember to do it myself - take a softish bar of soap - dig all your nails into the soap to fill them with the soap before doing any dirty work in the garden - feels a bit odd, but it works.
I bet Christine Mole gets through a few bars of soap then ;D
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If you don't fancy having the nails then this is Christine yesterday at the Cottage Garden Snowdrop day wearing her necklace of snowdrops. Is this the next must have accessory?
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Can anyone identify this lost label Galanthus? Diminutive, 10cm tall, double, leaves applanate, dark green with a wide silver stripe down the middle. Flowering now. Possibly a Greatorex double?
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Cheers Maggi I'll remember that next time we have some decent weather
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Windy again here today but managed to get a few photos around the garden.
1. Galanthus 'Grunschnabel'
2. Galanthus 'The Bogey Man' (in spite of what the label says!)
3. Galanthus 'Bubble'
4. Galanthus 'Beatrice'
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Some more:
1. Galanthus 'Rosie Larkin'
2. Galanthus 'Kirtling Tower'
3. Galanthus 'Anne of Geirstein'
4. Galanthus 'Flocon de Neige'
5. Galanthus 'Flocon de Neige'
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And the final five:
1. Galanthus 'E A Bowles'
2. Galanthus 'Green Bottle'
3. Galanthus 'William Louis'
4. Galanthus 'Walker Canada'
5. Galanthus 'Caprea 119'
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2. Galanthus 'Kirtling Tower'
When I went round the Anglesey Abbey collection this year they has a solitary plicatus labelled 'Kirtling Towers'. It's really a nivalis isn't it? And no 's' on the end? I'm sure it originates from the property Kirtling Tower via Richard Ayres (after he had left Anglesey Abbey).
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If you don't fancy having the nails then this is Christine yesterday at the Cottage Garden Snowdrop day wearing her necklace of snowdrops. Is this the next must have accessory?
Fab, almost beats the nails. They are becoming legendary, and sadly as she doesn't do
any internet, she doesn't know how much we talk about her!
Missed Christine and you boys this afternoon but Norfolk plant heritage pulled out an inspiring
talk on saving Norfolk Ponds, which was very funny.
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Hi all, a brand new selection from the stable. I selected this snowdrop already in 2008. Since than I have been bulking it up to a decent number before naming it. I think that is essential: growing an oustanding selection, getting it up to a good number of petals, trying it in at least three gardens and than if it supposed to be an extra, naming it...
Here is Galanthus nivalis 'Grakes Heredij'. It is a perfect poculiformis, with all crisp white six petals being - approx.- of the same length but every petal is heavily marked at the end with dark green stripes. It flowers at a good height, is a pure nivalis, but the flowers are approx. 3 cm... So, , not one of my findings in 'Scharlockii' but a new bold growing and flowering poculform green marked nivalis.
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Here is Galanthus nivalis 'Grakes Heredij'. It is a perfect poculiformis, with all crisp white six petals being of the same length but every petal is heavily marked at the end with dark green stripes. It flowers at a good height, is a pure nivalis, but the flowers are approx. 3 cm... So, , not one of my findings in 'Scharlockii' but a new bold growing and flowering poculform green marked nivalis.
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Stunning, really beautiful.
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Thank you, Bernadette; I have made quite some selections in past years in different species. The most rewarding situation to me now, is the seedlings that occur in my garden, 'Grakes Heredij', named after my grandfather Gerard Schoefs. Every new flowering season has something new 'in petto'. The gene-pool in a collection of over 700 snowdrops is of course great. That opens up some possibilities especially when bees 'think' completely different from us, people... 'Wanted, delberate crosses' are often less beautiful than the spontaneous occurring ones.
Another angle for 'Galanthus nivalis 'Grakes Heredij'
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Here is Galanthus nivalis 'Grakes Heredij'.
That's lovely
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Thank you Mark, one of the distinctives that catches me the most is 'Grakes Heredij' being big- flowered and consistent greenstriped complete poculiform. The flower is bigger tha a normal flowering 'E A Bowles', which is big for a nivalis...
I have also made another greentipped poculiform selection called 'King of the Greentip Pocs' which features -amongst other findings- in my lectures on Galanthus. KGTP however has a complete other outer marking of a lighter green.
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When I went round the Anglesey Abbey collection this year they has a solitary plicatus labelled 'Kirtling Towers'. It's really a nivalis isn't it? And no 's' on the end? I'm sure it originates from the property Kirtling Tower via Richard Ayres (after he had left Anglesey Abbey).
I'm no galanthophile like you as my many snowdrop friends know. I am surprised, therefore, that as a 'true follower' you didn't take the easy route and consult 'A Gardener's Guide to Snowdrops', page 202, as I did, where it gives a full description of Kirtling Tower or even look at the Judy's Snowdrops website. If only I had known this would come up I could have asked Richard Ayres and Richard Todd when I was at lunch with them recently.
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Can anyone identify this lost label Galanthus? Diminutive, 10cm tall, double, leaves applanate, dark green with a wide silver stripe down the middle. Flowering now. Possibly a Greatorex double?
Anyone? See Reply 199.
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...'Grakes Heredij' ... big- flowered and consistent greenstriped complete poculiform.
That's a fantastic find, Valentin. And welcome back to the Forum; you've been away too long.
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Here is Galanthus nivalis 'Grakes Heredij'. It is a perfect poculiformis, with all crisp white six petals being - approx.- of the same length but every petal is heavily marked at the end with dark green stripes. It flowers at a good height, is a pure nivalis, but the flowers are approx. 3 cm... So, , not one of my findings in 'Scharlockii' but a new bold growing and flowering poculform green marked nivalis.
That is the most beautiful snowdrop! Congratulations.
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Thank you, Bernadette; I have made quite some selections in past years in different species. The most rewarding situation to me now, is the seedlings that occur in my garden, 'Grakes Heredij', named after my grandfather Gerard Schoefs. Every new flowering season has something new 'in petto'. The gene-pool in a collection of over 700 snowdrops is of course great. That opens up some possibilities especially when bees 'think' completely different from us, people... 'Wanted, delberate crosses' are often less beautiful than the spontaneous occurring ones.
Another angle for 'Galanthus nivalis 'Grakes Heredij'
Quitre agre Valentin - we owe a lot to the bees! 'Grakes Heredij' looks fantastic too
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Seagull with Crocus 'Yalta' and Narcissus 'Bowles Early Sulphur'. Straffan, a real good doer here. Tubby Merlin, just coming into it's own.
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One of my plicates has thrown a two by two on a first year bulb; also shown is a flower from mature bulb with interesting coloured inners this year
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[Here is Galanthus nivalis 'Grakes Heredij'. It is a perfect poculiformis, with all crisp white six petals
[/quote] Absolutely stunning.........
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I asked earlier about Galanthus nivalis 'Kirtling Tower'. My question was prompted by a photograph posted by David King but it was intended to be a general question. Kirtling Tower, the building near Newmarket, is the home of Lord Fairhaven. It was, I think, the previous Lord Fairhaven who bequeathed Anglesey Abbey to the National Trust. Richard Ayres worked for the current Lord Fairhaven at Kirtling Tower for a while, after he retired as Head Gardener at Anglesey Abbey. My understanding is that Richard found the snowdrop 'Kirtling Tower' there, so it is not directly associated with Anglesey Abbey, as the Judy's Snowdrops website mistakenly asserts. Freda Cox's book confirms that it is a nivalis.
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Can anyone identify this lost label Galanthus? Diminutive, 10cm tall, double, leaves applanate, dark green with a wide silver stripe down the middle. Flowering now. Possibly a Greatorex double?
I hate to put it like this but could you show some better photos?
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I hate to put it like this but could you show some better photos?
Only if my wife will let me buy a better camera...
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This morning's patrol between the rain downpours and greyness, did reveal some delights:
Praha A new acquisition from Ian Christie and a very beautiful drop. Plenty of care taken about the potting arrangements as Ian, as befits all great providers, forewarned me that this can be a difficult drop to grow.
Krasnovii Another new drop for me, all mine have flowered and seem to be bulking well,
Cicely Hall A lovely variety from Anne Wright, an Irish drop before Paddy provides the Irish Tourist Board advert :)
Jimmy Platt A new drop from Avon, described as taking a 'long, long time' to build up stocks it is already showing the normal Avon additional shoots!
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Hi all, a brand new selection from the stable. I selected this snowdrop already in 2008. Since than I have been bulking it up to a decent number before naming it. I think that is essential: growing an oustanding selection, getting it up to a good number of petals, trying it in at least three gardens and than if it supposed to be an extra, naming it...
Here is Galanthus nivalis 'Grakes Heredij'. It is a perfect poculiformis, with all crisp white six petals being - approx.- of the same length but every petal is heavily marked at the end with dark green stripes. It flowers at a good height, is a pure nivalis, but the flowers are approx. 3 cm... So, , not one of my findings in 'Scharlockii' but a new bold growing and flowering poculform green marked nivalis.
Superb, Valentin.
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A spell of better weather has brought on a few more flowers.
Hill Poë
One of Ian the Christie kind's lovely Castle plicatus
G. x allenii
Primrose Warburg
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I've received a mis-named snowdrop this year. It's not very distinct so a bit of a long shot, but can anyone put a name to it?
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Spent a lovely morning at Cambo in Kingsbarn, Fife. Gorgeous weather here in the East Coast of Scotland. Emma the dog loves posing!!!!
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I hate to put it like this but could you show some better photos?
I'm guessing it's 'Hippolyta'
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Lovely Scharlockii Poculiform you are showing Valentin. Seems lot of those Poculiform types are found last years. Some are quite better than others. Saw another one that was named last year, that looks quite similar as the one you have named. Hagen showed it last year in March, called Nelly's Nettes.
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Richard, good to hear from you, first time this year . I was wondering if you were still alive (LOL)
AS you can see Richard, 'Grakes Heredij' is not at all a poc Scharlockii. It even does not show the 'donkey ears, nor split spathes. It is much higher. It is pure nivalis with probably some influence.
My 'Grakes Heredij' has NOT been found last year, Richard. I grow it already for quite some years, as I described earlier. I even think you saw it when you were surveying my collection 2-3 times in the past years.
The picture of the current clump shows how I built it up... You see bulbs multiplying after the clump being split for the 3-4 th time...
Galanthus nivalis 'Grakes Heredij' is by far the best of three- four similar types I grow. It is much higher, big flowered, showing better contrasts, always good in habit, healthy clumper. Quite some people have paid a visit to snowdrop locations last years. After the locations get known, lots of galantophiles start searching. I can only say that the diversity on quite some locations has gone now. It is even not worth searching anymore. ... I read for instance upon the Northumberland yellows that the populations on yellows are diminishing. Germany, the Netherlands, France, Bohemia, Scotland...will probably see the same. In Belgium we experience similar evolutions...
And yes, more or less similar types were found...That's maybe inherent to Galanthus, isn'it it?
The most rewarding part since some years, are the seedlings arising in the garden. Always a big surprise!
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Hi all, a brand new selection from the stable. I selected this snowdrop already in 2008. Since than I have been bulking it up to a decent number before naming it. I think that is essential: growing an oustanding selection, getting it up to a good number of petals, trying it in at least three gardens and than if it supposed to be an extra, naming it...
Here is Galanthus nivalis 'Grakes Heredij'. It is a perfect poculiformis, with all crisp white six petals being - approx.- of the same length but every petal is heavily marked at the end with dark green stripes. It flowers at a good height, is a pure nivalis, but the flowers are approx. 3 cm... So, , not one of my findings in 'Scharlockii' but a new bold growing and flowering poculform green marked nivalis.
Valentin, A real beauty, and very distinctive.
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Thank you, Dean. 'Grakes Heredij' is indeed a new and distinctive snowdrop. Till now snowdropland knew the beautiful white pocs and invers pocs (what now needs to be called with an awful tonguetwister 'pterugiform'. No discussion further on this issue?). A new era in poculiforms has now begun with green tipped, striped, flamed or even complete green pocs. Imagine these in...yellow...? Still a wet dream...
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.......... invers pocs (what now needs to be called with an awful tonguetwister 'pterugiform'. No discussion further on this issue?).
Since you ask, I prefer the older term of inverse poculiform !
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I-pocs for the win
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The more I examine the snowdrops at work the more errors I find . A double that's also a single that's not ' Natalie Garton'
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Emma and Maggi, I think that 'inverse pocs' does tell a lot more what has to be understood by the 'term' itself. It is much more understandable (and it is way better pronouncable) than 'pterugiform'. I also feel that this last name was created 'to home' some new types which are not at all being inverse pocs but rather good marked snowdrops with shortened outers.
To me true 'Inverse pocs' should show six petals of approx. the same size and length with almost the same marking on inners and outers. What about you all outthere?
Pterurig or I-poc?
A true and good INVERSE poc is of course Galanthus nivalis 'Valentine's Day'. All six petals of the same length, same markings...
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Or 'Cutie-Pie'
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But most snowdrops described as "inverse poculiform" are nowhere near as 'perfect' as either of these. They are more frequently to "inverse poculiform" what 'Angelique' is to poculiform (i.e. tending in that direction but not all the way there).
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A stunning new addition to the yellows from Andy Byfield: Galanthus gracilis Lemongrass!
I do love the yellow drops and this is one I seriously coveted. It has considerably exceeded my high expectations of it! It is gorgeous.
Described by Andy as: "a lovely yellow form of large gracilis. I guess that it is Flete's version of the yellow 'Ronald Mackenzie'. 'Lemongrass' has a much more rounded and shouldered flower (think E.A. Bowles), and its leaves are more twisted"
The shoulders are definitely more rounded, the leaves more twisted and noticeably so.
However, it is the colour of Lemongrass that sets it apart from Ronald Mackenzie. I have again used an International Colour Chart (Sundberg) to try and reduce subjectivity, as I did with the virescents.
Ronald Mackenzie is solely 'Bumblebee' on both the apical and basal marks. Lemongrass is 'Butter' on the apical mark but shading from 'Butter' to 'Medallion' on the basal marking, so it highly visibly distinctive from RM. It is thus a delicious two-toned yellow drop.
Initial impressions are that it is robust and If you love yellows, this variety is a must!
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You're doing a tremendous job of keeping us posted with pictures of new and interesting snowdrops, Ingrid. Do you just hold the snowdrop flower next to the colour chart to make the comparison? That would make an interesting picture, perhaps? I'm always interested in the methodology as well as the results.
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It's a very nice yellow, Ingrid.
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Some out in the garden yesterday - still frozen this morning!
Erway
Faith Stewart-Liberty
A dwarf elwesii from Mark Smyth
Barbara's Hybrid (who is Barbara?)
Bertram Anderson - an old classic, still a glorious sight in the garden
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A dryad Gold clone still looking good, and Kite surprising me with 3 flowers on one stem!
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... Kite surprising me with 3 flowers on one stem!
That's very interesting to me, Anne. Can you get more photos from different angles to make it easier to see exactly what is going on? There is a smattering of snowdrops that regularly produce two flowers on two pedicels from a single scape (flower stem). But nothing yet that manages three flowers except as a one-off freak happenstance.
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Quote from: annew on Today at 09:43:22 AM
... Kite surprising me with 3 flowers on one stem!
Enlarging the photo, I think I see evidence of fasciation in the stem.
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Barbara's Hybrid (who is Barbara?)
She was the daughter of Lady Beatrix Stanley, Barbara (1906-1986) married Sir Charles Buchanan. The snowdrop is said to have been found by E A Bowles in Lady Beatrix Stanley's garden at Sibbertoft Manor so it has a good pedigree!
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Thanks, Brian.
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Enlarging the photo, I think I see evidence of fasciation in the stem.
I think you're right, the bottom flower is a result of fasciation. Fascinating!
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Fantastic new yellows indeed. Would love to grow them all . 'Lemongrass' and 'Dryad Gold' are true gems!I am somehow addicted to yellows although they're not always easy to recognize...
Anyway: another inverse poculiform which is for sure not only perfect poc but also differing from the other ones above.
This is my Galanthus nivalis 'Miniskirt'. I particularly love the surprising curling of the outers backwards...Yes, forumnists, 'Miniskirt' is ...sexy![attachimg=1]
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Fantastic new yellows indeed. Would love to grow them all . 'Lemongrass' and 'Dryad Gold' are true gems!I am somehow addicted to yellows although they're not always easy to recognize...
Anyway: another inverse poculiform which is for sure not only perfect poc but also differing from the other ones above.
This is my Galanthus nivalis 'Miniskirt'. I particularly love the surprising curling of the outers backwards...Yes, forumnists, 'Miniskirt' is ...sexy! (Attachment Link)
I like it ;D
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Galanthus nivalis 'Miniskirt' is very cute.
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Galanthus nivalis 'Miniskirt' is very cute.
It certainly is and do I need new glasses or does it have four outers?
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Hi Brian, it maybe looks as if there are four outers, but in fact the flower itself is rather tight and not big flowered (it is pure nivalis) with six petals of the same size and markings. This year there was one flower in the clump with 9 petals, it was just a fasciation. The ovary showed this. Too bad, I don't have a good picture of it..
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Valentin, love that inverse poc you have named 'Miniskirt'. This form is not so often found in nivalis, so it makes it even more unique. Of course, that was true with plicatus until 'Trym' was discovered and its vast tribe developed.
Congratulations on a great seedling/or find. (?)
Rick
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Link to the £ version of Monksilver's (Joe Sharman's) availability list http://www.monksilvernursery.co.uk/user/monksilver2016pounds.pdf (http://www.monksilvernursery.co.uk/user/monksilver2016pounds.pdf)
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Link to the £ version of Monksilver's (Joe Sharman's) availability list http://www.monksilvernursery.co.uk/user/monksilver2016pounds.pdf (http://www.monksilvernursery.co.uk/user/monksilver2016pounds.pdf)
Can't find an order form online??
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Can't find an order form online??
Seems the website is very much a "work in progress" :-X
I note, hoiwever, that Joe's "'drop out three" is listed - though I hadn't heard of anyone who signed up for it who had actually received it - have others more news on that?
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Not sure whether there will be an order form, but this document tells you how to order:
http://www.monksilvernursery.co.uk/user/monksilvernotes2016pounds.pdf (http://www.monksilvernursery.co.uk/user/monksilvernotes2016pounds.pdf)
it's on his site, scroll down the left side under Information then Buying Snowdrops
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No actual order form as such then it seems - just write out your order fill it in and add your full details and send it off with your cheque.
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You could probably adapt the availability list to function as an order form.
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Seems the website is very much a "work in progress" :-X
I note, hoiwever, that Joe's "'drop out three" is listed - though I hadn't heard of anyone who signed up for it who haed actually received it - have others more news on that?
I paid for it but never received it.
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Between you and me, I'm inclined to the belief that the main purpose of "The 'Drop Out" was to put into print the term pterugiform in order to mount a challenge to "Inverse Poculiform" which Joe does not like. Having achieved that end with issues 1 and 2 and also exhausted the pool of his own pterugifrom snowdrops to show pictures of, it seems to me that Joe lost interest in this project and that is why issue 3 has never appeared.
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Here for those of you that haven't seen it yet.Galanthus plicatus ssp. byzantinus 'Joe Sharman 'twin-headed and blooming :o
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Steve, that is looking great !
Some snowdrops that are flowering overhere;
Gracilis Daglingworth
Green Bottle
Grüne Ostern
Joe's Spotted
Joshua Jansen
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Some more;
Pausbäckchen
Plicatus seedling
Scharlockii selection
Scharlockii selection
Turncoat
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Some more;
Anglesey Aurora
Anglesey Candlelight
Plicatus seedling
Cowhouse Green
Diggory
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A few unnamed Nivalis, worth to have them ( not to name them ......)
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A few of those lovely Plicatus from Ruslan that are flowering
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A few unnamed Nivalis Virescent in flower
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Last ones for today:
Pumpot
Thin Green
Fatty Puff
Josie
The Wizard
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One more....A Scharlockii selection.....looks to be a stable virescent...
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Every sign that your collection is building again very well, Richard!!
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What an impressive list of fantastic snowdrops, Richard. Wow! I love of couse the plic-types from Ukraine, but also some great nivalis selections. I love those virescent and striped types! Some nice Scharlockii too!
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This is my greenest snowdrop in my garden, a selection from 2013. Not yet named of course as numbers need to be built up.
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Steve, your Galanthus plicatus 'Joe Sharman' is truly super!
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Steve, Richard and Valentin some lovely snowdrops shown today. Many thanks for showing us, a real treat :D
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A tad early for us but we have no complaints after a winter such as the last one. We've had a nice mild stretch of weather, ominously reminscent of 1981 when evergreen azaleas were showing colour at the end of March!
G. nivalis 'Anglesey Abbey' spreading nicely from one tiny bulb in 2013.
G. 'Desdemona'
G. 'Dionysius'
Marvellous snowdrop postings there Valentin and David!
john
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There has been some chat of the facebook snowdrop page about 'Sally Wickenden'. By far most people are growing the wrong snowdrop including me. Which of the two below do you have?
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For some reason I could add photos above
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Mark - Was the true one photographed at Margaret Owen's?
johnw
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We have both at work , the Sally with the narrower inner markings is the only right Sally as described in the book.
Need to know what to call the false Sally ?
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Joe doesn't know what false Sally is. Maybe Matt does
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Joe doesn't know what false Sally is. Maybe Matt does
Possibly one of the other Acton Pigot seedlings as I understand that Margaret Owen did pass them on and sometimes mixed the names up.
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Awake. Rejoice.
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Awake. Rejoice.
Yay!!!!
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Close up from Galanthus
'Blueberry Tart' 'Blewbury Tart'
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Johan, here is the English language playing tricks on you (it often plays tricks, even on native English speakers) it is actually Galanthus 'Blewbury Tart' named for the Oxfordshire village of Blewbury. The "bury" element of the name comes from the Old English 'burh' meaning a fortified place and indeed there is a pre-historic fort near to the village. The 'Blew' element comes from the Old English 'bleo' which refers to the colour of the soil locally.
So the original namer had a little lexical fun just to confuse and added 'Tart'.
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Awake. Rejoice.
Snug as the proverbial bug in the rug :D
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Johan, just by way of further explanation, the namer of Blewbury Tart (the snowdrop) knew perfectly well that there is a fruit gateau called - Blueberry Tart! And here it is....
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Maybe one of the new yellows could be named Treacle Tart? Custard tart?
BTW Johan, Google will reveal to you that the English language has other meanings for "tart".
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BTW Johan, Google will reveal to you that the English language has other meanings for "tart".
...and of course the snowdrop shows its 'knickers' in that way!
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Really! I was going to say, "Really, Gentlemen" , but that's clearly inappropriate......... I give up.
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I'm pretty sure that it was Alan Street (of Avon Bulbs) who found and named 'Blewbury Tart'. Was this the first snowdrop to have an amusing name based on a pun or double meaning? If so, it began what has become quite a tradition.
Edit: Just think about snowdrop of the moment 'Golden Fleece' if you want a contemporary example of a name with a double meaning.
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With this bright sunny weather the snowdrops in the garden are at their best. Ideal scenery to pick a sunny spot in the garden and have some ... mirabelle pie :)
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What a beautiful carpet at home :D
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Yes indeed!
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Johan, here is the English language playing tricks on you (it often plays tricks, even on native English speakers)
BTW Johan, Google will reveal to you that the English language has other meanings for "tart".
Thanks David and Steve.
It's not the language that play tricks on me with this name, but it's the label.
Even without Google i know the other meanings of 'tart'.
...and of course the snowdrop shows its 'knickers' in that way!
:) As a kid i have played al lot with 'knikkers'. ;)
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Really! I was going to say, "Really, Gentlemen" , but that's clearly inappropriate......... I give up.
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On the last day of February.... This is Galanthus nivalis 'Green Wasp'. I photographed the 'usual Wasp'- the extraordinary snowdrop from Veronica Cross- next to the snowdrop Galanthus nivalis 'Green Wasp'. I think the name is obvious. This plant originates from only one bulb, flowering for the first time in 2011. It was a seedling between my 'Scharlockii'.
Now numbers have built up to a small stock in two gardens.
So, may I present to you: Galanthis nivalis 'Green Wasp'
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Snug as the proverbial bug in the rug :D
De-snugging is no fun..... ;)
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GREEN WASP looks a bit like RÜSCH'L JÖ
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I really like 'Wasp' because once you hear the name you see the resemblance. The two green 'stripes' on the inner petals look like the black marks on the abdomen of a wasp and the outer petals resemble the wings. And the whole flower is very long. Although I like the look of 'Green Wasp' and I can see it's a long flower, I'm not so keen on the name because 'Green Wasp' lacks the double marking on the inner petals that I feel a Wasp-alike should have. There is another Wasp-alike, 'Long Wasp', which has a blob and a stripe - not ideal but more in the spirit of the original, perhaps.
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Thanks for the positive comments, Alan. I do understand what you are talking about. On the other hand, I cannot see more resemblance with 'Long Wasp'. I do agree that the outers resemble the wings. That did make me and three other people visiting here in the collection, to name it 'Green Wasp'. Once you see the clump growing/ flowering in the garden here (since 2011 when it first flowered), you get the impression of wasps better than with a single flower, indeed!
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Seems the website is very much a "work in progress" :-X
I note, hoiwever, that Joe's "'drop out three" is listed - though I hadn't heard of anyone who signed up for it who had actually received it - have others more news on that?
Joe said at the weekend that he has everything for Dropout 3 and now just needs time to get it all together and published. Those that have already paid will obviously get it, he keeps great records.
The new website is still being developed too.
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Good news, Janet. Were you at Nettetal ? Are you "doing" the German events this coming weekend too?
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Good news, Janet. Were you at Nettetal ? Are you "doing" the German events this coming weekend too?
Yes I was helping Joe at Nettetal again, great atmosphere and always lovely to meet people properly in the 'real world'.
Not doing Hamburg/Mannheim as away dog sledding in Sweden!
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Not doing Hamburg/Mannheim as away dog sledding in Sweden!
Crikey, well that's a change! Have fun!
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I'll let you know if I manage to come back intact!
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Homing Huskies needed!!
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Once you see the clump growing/ flowering in the garden here (since 2011 when it first flowered), you get the impression of wasps better than with a single flower, indeed!
Yes indeed, Valentin. Sometimes you need more than a single picture to form an accurate impression.
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If you don't fancy having the nails then this is Christine yesterday at the Cottage Garden Snowdrop day wearing her necklace of snowdrops.
The charming Ms Mole made herself known to Ian today at the Mid-Anglia AGS meeting at which he was speaking - showed him her snowdrop nails and said that his other half would recognise them and know who she was - absolutely!!
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Fantastic new yellows indeed. Would love to grow them all . 'Lemongrass' and 'Dryad Gold' are true gems!I am somehow addicted to yellows although they're not always easy to recognize...
Anyway: another inverse poculiform which is for sure not only perfect poc but also differing from the other ones above.
This is my Galanthus nivalis 'Miniskirt'. I particularly love the surprising curling of the outers backwards...Yes, forumnists, 'Miniskirt' is ...sexy! (Attachment Link)
Hi Valentin, I just saw you image of your selection 'Miniskirt' and wondered if the flowers of this clone typically have four outer (?and inner) segments as you image shows. Looks like a super example!