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Specific Families and Genera => Pleione and Orchidaceae => Topic started by: Anthony Darby on March 23, 2008, 01:24:43 AM
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Here's a couple of pics of Anacamptis papilionacea flowering in the greenhouse now.
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Very nice Anthony. :D
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Yep, and his pictures ain't bad either!! ;D
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some in flower now
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Tony,
All such wonderful flowers, particularly the Ophrys scolopax. I hope to see Ophrys in person one day, just to see if they're as cool as they are in the pictures. Fantastic pics!! Thanks for posting them. :D
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We have Ophrys growing in the wild in some sections of the garden :). Also quite a few other orchids.
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Interesting how your Ophrys spp. are out now, Tony? Mine are a bit behind but my Barlia (now apparently Himantoglossum) robertiana has been out a week. It got a Certificate of Merit at Dunblane on Saturday.
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Tony yours is lovely and deserved a prize.It was Himantoglossum longibracteatum before it was Barlia robertiana,so what does that say? Sometimes I think the lunatics have taken over the asylum, not that I think of botanists in those terms ever.
Mine are grown in a cold greenhouse but it has ben a very mild winter and spring so they are well ahead
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Cold as in unheated Tony? I maintain mine at a minimum 4oC.
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Sorry a bit of a misleading post. Cold similar to yours.I have a heating cable under the sand in the bench and a box made of bubble wrap over the top I only cover them when a hard frost is threatened and so most of the time they are in the open greenhouse.I find that if I keep them covered then botrytis is rife,and if let get to cold they are miserable.On frosty nights the thermometer under the box shows about 2 to 3c.
Here are three more
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Tony,
Isn't the Orchis italicus beautiful!! Wonderful flower setup to it. 8)
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It is good but can be even more wonderful in the wild where in quite damp areas it grows in huge numbers and is very robust ,upto 12 inches tall. it is perhaps not apparent but most of these orchids particularly the ophrys are very small and can be quite diffcult to see in the wild amongst other vegetation
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I had realised they were pretty small. I'm sort of used to it from photographing my own stuff.... some of the flowers look so impressive in the pics, but you can barely see them in person. One good bonus of digital photography!! ;D I would still like to see some of these in person. :)
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I remember at a big international rock garden plant conference in NZ some years ago, one of the speakers was Brian Mulloy, expert on NZ's native orchids, the flowers of which are almost all small to tiny in the flesh. On screen was something that looked enormous, just about filling the whole screen, with amazing detail and beautiful colouring. Then Brian remarked that the flower was about 3mm x 5mm in size and a deeply offended German gentleman seated behind me, leapt to his feet and shouting that he had been mislead and cheated, rushed from the auditorium. ;D ;D ;D
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Oh dear, some people ARE highly strung aren't they? ::)
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It does seem a rather over the top reaction - but perhaps he worked for a floristry company and realised they weren't going to be the next big thing for bouquets. . . .
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Here's Ophrys tenthredinifera flowering in the greenhouse.
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Beautiful, Anthony! :)
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Ooops 8) too big 8) ::)
Anthony, you pest! I have edited your pix down for you. M
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Anthony ,
I have found before some minutes this thread - could it be that your plant of Anacamptis papilionacea is the same what I have found in Andros ?
Please look here : http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=1603.msg39861#msg39861
(pic Nr. 15)
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Here's a couple more: Ophrys cretica and O. iricolor.
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Anthony,
Love that labellum on the iricolor. So "plush". ;D
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four in flower at the moment.
I think the second is laxiflora but I not sure. The third ,provincialis has only produced a spike with two flowers this year.
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Here's another pic of Ophrys cretica and Ophrys episcopalis (Large-flowered or Bishop's Ophrys) plis a series of pics showing collecting the pollinia and then holding it against the stigma and then pulling it away. There was quite a force needed as the pollinia was well stuck.
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Anthony I have done that.Did you do it for a reason or were you like me just being childish?
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I think you should explain before I make a response. When it comes to orchids I don't do childish! :-\
Here's a hybrid apifera X tenthredinifera. This one is tiny.
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Touchy! I do it just to pretend to be a bee,perhaps I am going senile.I have never managed a deliberate germination from sowing the seeds but I find they appear sporadically in odd pots of other plants. At the moment I have a lutea in flower in a pot of cyclamen graecum.
I have dactylorhiza coming up in every nook and cranny in the garden
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Perhaps you should think first? I leave childish behaviour to those idiots that manage to close every trap in the display of Venus Flytraps in garden centres. For your information I do plan to sow the seeds aseptically and also to send seed to other enthusiasts who have experience in this field, after all, this is the only way to obtain these rarities. They rarely reproduce asexually.
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Sorry
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Accepted.
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Keep calm lads! :)
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It's Ok Lesley, I'm feeling much more better now. :)
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Lesley thanks for your mediation but I think there is not a problem.We all get it wrong sometimes and I do not find it difficult to apologise when its me.
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Anthony
I agree they are difficult to propagate and except for a few such as serapis which stem to make several off sets a year usually stay as singles.Have you tried the method of cutting of the newly formed tuber at flowering time and replanting the stem and trying to get it to form a second tuber? I have tried this with mixed success but have been able to increase a few species. The second(or third) tubers are very tiny and difficult to keep through the dormant period but if this is acheived grow away okay.
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I would like to edd one from my country. I love these small beauty but I have read in a web side it says these are too difficult to grow. That keeps me away from to grow but not from to take photos.
Ophrys lutea subsp. minor
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This might be Minor but it seems to be one of the biggest we've seen posted here. A lovely species, thanks Ibrahim.
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Very impressive clump. 8)
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Nice threads with lovely pics.
I love to see the orphys in the wild and now I am in the right country with lots of different ones. The only problem is to find them. I only find orchids in Portugal when I am not looking :) :(
Here are a few beside the walkway in Cascais. I think they were sprayed with herbicide but I am not sure.
Only when I came home I realized that they where flowering and where not just in buds.
When I tried to figure out what it was I got them as man orchid Aceras anthropophotum. This may no longer be a valid name and it might be wrong. It is amazing to see how many that passes them without realizing they are there and if You ask people in Portugal if they have wild orchids they say that in Madeira they have Cymbidium growing. Even in the flower shop/ garden center 20m away they did not know about the orchids. They did not know anything about spraying with herbicide either.
So here are the pics they are the best I got under the circumstances.
When going there three weeks later many of the plants are just rotten and only a few survived.
That is a second time I see orchids in Portugal and a second time they are destroyed.
Hope to get an ID or confirm my own
Kind regards from a rainy Portugal
Joakim
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Impressive collection Anthony! I grow lots of orchids but mostly the tropical types. I do have a couple of Bletilla blooming now...not hardy in my area but kept outside until November then brought into a frost-free basement for the winter.
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Joakim,
Try Rocha da Pena in the Algarve. It's a bit inland and higher in elevation. Last May I photographed a couple of Ophrys species--and that's late. There are any number of them scattered about southern Portugal and Spain. I didn't see any in Lisboa or Cascais but am sure that any are not completley given over to cultivation or habitation will have some.
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Carlo Thanks for the information- I have heard of Rocha da Pena in the Algarve and will try that some day. :)First I will try try something more central between Coimbra and Lisbon.
I must admit that I did not expect to see any orchids in Cascais but I did even if they seemed to be sprayed with herbicide.
We have here seen orchids from around Batalha and that is close so I hope to see some there on my way between Lisbon and Coimbra.
BTW Is my identification of the orchid correct?
Kind regards
Joakim
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Aceras should look like a little man hanging from under a hood. It's a little hard to tell from your pictures, but you may be correct...
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Carlo Thanks then I think they are correct they do look a bit like men hanging under a hood. Live it looked as if there was a tongue sticking out of the buds so only when I came home I realized that the flowers actually had opened.
Kind regards
Joakim
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I've just been sent these orchid photos, which I thought you'd like to share....
Calypso bulbosa occidentalis ....
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The first time I have flowered this,
Masdevallia coccinea.
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I've just been sent these orchid photos, which I thought you'd like to share....
Calypso bulbosa occidentalis ....
I seem to remember a forum member saying these grew like weeds in his garden, even growing on his compost heap. He offered to spread the joy............maybe one day.............? :'(
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The Calypso are stunning. What a glorious flower.
The Masdevallia hybrid is rather pretty too. A nice mauvey pink, which is a fairly unusual colour. M. coccineus itself is such a strong red-orange fiery colour and the hybrids often end up being very bright pinks and oranges etc, so your softer colour is rather nice. has kept the flower form of coccineus pretty much though. Is it a tall plant?
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The same friend has sent me these photos of the Calypso, too.
He likens them to little fairy faces... and I see what he means....
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Paul the leaves are about 5 inches tall and the flower about 8 inches.
Derek
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The calypso setting is wonderful too. Are these pics taken in the wild Maggi or is it a carefully (and beautifully) constructed nook in someone's garden or shade house?
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Lesley asked..
The calypso setting is wonderful too. Are these pics taken in the wild Maggi or is it a carefully (and beautifully) constructed nook in someone's garden or shade house?
I thought my friend had been instrumental in some if this more artistic planting, so I asked him, and so it proved.... here is his reply: 8)
"They grow on my property, but that being said, I move them to different locations, especially when putting a path through where they inhabited..The symbiont is obviously in attendance for them to be here in the first place, and they are amenable to my discussing movement with them and it, and my clustering them together, sometimes in atypical situations such as atop old stumps pictured. They are not found that way in nature and require that I establish a bit of a planting depth of forest floor medium over the old rotting wood for them to be happy in such a situation. I will photo some more in the next few days as they are just coming into bloom, and they are darlings. Stump settings allow them not to be as easily overlooked although the unappreciative do.
The answer to the question is semi wild I guess, unless you consider their caretaker a wild man of the woods,..then the answer is wild ;-)) "
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Thank you Maggi, and your friend, for this comprehensive and useful reply. Useful because pleiones could benefit from similar planting I should think. When my shadehouse is built (I've been waiting 11 years, probably only another 9 or so to go) I'll try to emulate this.
I like the sound of your wild man too. :P
You mentioned fairy faces but I think they look very much akin to the original group of travel giraffes that Stellan posted, of the little herd in Peter's garden. They seem to be like miniature pink animals, overlooking their surroundings and waiting for something to sniff at. The petals are almost antler-like. They are in fact, quite adorable.
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Thank you Maggi, and your friend, for this comprehensive and useful reply. Useful because pleiones could benefit from similar planting I should think. When my shadehouse is built (I've been waiting 11 years, probably only another 9 or so to go) I'll try to emulate this.
I like the sound of your wild man too. :P
You mentioned fairy faces but I think they look very much akin to the original group of travel giraffes that Stellan posted, of the little herd in Peter's garden. They seem to be like miniature pink animals, overlooking their surroundings and waiting for something to sniff at. The petals are almost antler-like. They are in fact, quite adorable.
Peter Korn grows Pleiones in a similar situation in his garden... in his case they are planted on huge mossy mounds over rocks, I believe. A very fetching method, that's for sure.
I fondly remember seeing Kath Dryden's exquisite exhibit of Calypso bulbosa, growing with a small wooden stump and moss ( like a small piece of driftwood washed up on the streamside in a wood) at the show of Alpines 1991 at Warwick. Utterly captivating little plants and beautifully presented. It just suited them so well and looked so much nicer than the same plants just sitting in a pot.
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Here's Serapias neglecta flowering today in the greenhouse.
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Nice, Anthony. Do you have lingua as well? If so, what do you find to be the differences between them?
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Nice, Anthony. Do you have lingua as well? If so, what do you find to be the differences between them?
An order of magnitude Paul. I reckon neglecta flowers are at least five times as big. I have lingua and orientalis. Of the three, lingua are really quite the smallest flowers.
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Anthony,
I had to ask as I have heard conflicting reports as to differences. Pics I had seen of neglecta showed much broader labellum, but without a size reference there was no way to know size. I don't know the third species. I only grow a couple of lingua forms here, never having found a neglecta that wasn't actually a lingua. I'd assume that there are orchid collectors here though that have the correct species. Thanks for the info. :D
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Here is Orchis laxiflora taken on the same day as the Serapias neglecta, which has flowers as big as my thumb Paul.
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Very Cool Anthony. It is always so hard to tell from a pic how big anything is, so the size reference is a help. Would love to grow some of these terrestrial orchids and hope to track them down here in Aus one of these years.
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I have removed various postings about Cypripedium and moved them to the new Cypripedium thread... see here: http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=1708.msg42950#msg42950
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A lovely pot of serapis Anthony.
Paul comments on size makes me rember seeing orchis papilonacea in Greece and Crete where it seems to be about 6-8 inches tall and yet one year we saw it in the South of Spain in hundreds and it was 18 inches tall.As we drove along we first thought from the car it was a gladiolus it was so tall and lush until we stopped and realised what it was.
I have tried to find the calypso in Wyoming but have been too late.I remember sitting through 10 films of it taken by David King one year, I am not that keen but can understand his enthusiasm, it is a wonderful thing.
Here are a couple of pics of orchis morio which brings my season to an end
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Don't suppose I can match Dave King's record, Tony, but my chum has sent this photo of the gorgeous Calypso as it matures its flowers a bit more.....
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Beautiful! <sigh>
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I would like to share some photos which taken last week from istanbul. If there is any missed name you may always correct me.
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And here are some more...
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In istanbul there are four serapias ssp. registered.
Serapias cordigera
Serapias vomeracea subsp. laxiflora Serapias vomeracea subsp. orientalis
Serapias politisii
I am not sure which one is mine!!
I think that should be. Serapias vomeracea subsp. laxiflora :-\
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Ibrahim
wonderful pictures,it is great to see them in the wild. You seem to have a great number of species within your local area,which makes me envious.
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Yes Tony I think I am so lucky for these little beauties. There are great number of species in my local area but still they are very rare. I have seen them always in small quantity in their locations.
I will post some more...
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This one also is very difficult to say. It might be Orchis quadripunctata, Orchis anatolica or Orchis mascula.
But I can say this one was my best with very nice dark green foliage. This is the only one which situatet on south side of a hill while all athers were north side where you can feel humidity.
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Your first pic labelled 'Ophrys mammosa' is different from the others Ibrahim?
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Ibrahim,
Stunning pictures!! So close and clear you feel like you're there with them. Thank You!!! :D
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Ibrahim,
super cool shots 8) 8) 8). They are all worth to get protection.
So many orchid meadows have disappeared here in Germany. :'(
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Anthony you are right the first o. mammosa looks different. I think some times the necklace can be connected to each others. I am posting one more photo to explain better.
Armin that is right. These plants realy need to care in teir ownland. But unfortunately they lose their living area day by day.
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Ibrahim
Great photos of great orchids :o :o :o :o
8) 8) 8)
Thanks for sharing
Joakim
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Paphiopedilum insigens.
I meant to post this a few weeks ago but somehow forgot. (The Alzheimer's again)
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One from me on the right page this time(touch of Michael disease)last time.
DISA SANTA ROSA.
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A lovely colour that one Derek? Do you have a good selection of these beautiful orchids?
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Orchis militaris on the Donau-Austria.
Karl
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It is interesting to see this range of variation in the coluor and markings of these orchids, Karl, thank you 8)
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Lesley Cox
A lovely colour that one Derek? Do you have a good selection of these beautiful orchids?
Sorry Lesley only just found your post(another senior moment) yes I have about 30 different ones and loads more seedlings.
Derek
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Here in Dunedin we actually have a nursery that specializes in the breeding of Disa hybrids. I think the people are South African immigrants. I keep meaning to go there and keep not doing it.
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Orchis militaris on the Donau-Austria.
Karl
Karl,
what a beautiful meadow with Orchis militaris (Helmknabenkraut) :o :o :o
Would like to know such a place in my area :P
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Orchis militaris on the Donau-Austria.
Karl
Karl,
what a beautiful meadow with Orchis militaris (Helmknabenkraut) :o :o :o
Would like to know such a place in my area :P
I can only subscribe this!
Gerd
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What a lovely meadow. Here in Scotland it would be ploughed up and built on. A meadow of lesser butterfly orchids (Platanthera bifolia) near Plean in Stirlingshire is earmarked for this type of vandalism, inspite of protests. Stirling Council, or perhaps the builders, even have their own sick jokes, as a lovely field is advertised to prospective home owners as 'Royal Meadows'. Well it ain't that now! Over half a decade ago a member of Scandinavian royalty commented, on a visit to Scotland, that anywhere not suitable for a golf course had been put to good agricultural use. Not true now as good agricultural land is being built on 'like it's going out of fashion'. Soon there will only be golf courses, Terry Wogan's pine forests and moorland left! ???
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The first Orchis morio here in Upper Austria
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Hans and Karl nice orcidis You show.
Hard to believe that it is only two kinds of orchids when the variation is so big. :) 8) :o
Very nice to see.
Kind regards
Joakim
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Lesley did you mean Ron Maunders nursery? you ought to go but they are catching you will end up with another greenhouse, how are you for pure water? that is my biggest problem I can only use the water butts that collect from the greenhouse roofs the water from the flat roof of the bungalow extension is no good.
Derek
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That's probably the one Derek, I didn't know their name. I think the nursery is called Blackwater or Backwater or Whitewater Plants or something like that. So you know them? Have you imported?
If I get another greenhouse for the Disas, it will be my first and only greenhouse. In 65 years I've never had one!
The water's not a problem. We have only rain water here so no chemicals (except a bit of bird stuff I reckon, but it's never harmed us), but we don't have enough of it. :'(
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Water's not a problem in Dunblane. When it's not coming out of the sky I use good old tap water. The water is lovely and soft so kettles wear out rather than fur up.
Lesley did you mean Ron Maunders nursery? you ought to go but they are catching you will end up with another greenhouse, how are you for pure water? that is my biggest problem I can only use the water butts that collect from the greenhouse roofs the water from the flat roof of the bungalow extension is no good.
Derek
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That's probably the one Derek, I didn't know their name. I think the nursery is called Blackwater or Backwater or Whitewater Plants or something like that. So you know them? Have you imported?
Lesley I have not had plants from them they will not export to Europe and it is the same with USA but I have had seed from there. The name came up on one of the web sites for Disa.
Derek
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Armin and Gerd!
It is one drylawn at the wast of energy.
Karl
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So are Disas relatively easy from seed then? I mean compared with other orchids which need all the sterile, lab conditions etc and agar.
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Here is a Ophris spec. from the coast Kroatiens.
Please help with identification.
Karl
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Karl nice orchids.
They are Orphys but I presume You knew that already. ::)
I have tried to identify it better than that and compared with other Orphys here on the forum.
Could it be O.holoserica either ssp holoserica or ssp maxima (also known as O. episcopalis) or even a hybrid between
O. holoserica X scopalax? They seem to be reported in the region. Or is it as easy as O. apifera?
Sorry not to be much of help but I hope we get more suggestions and maybe even a correct one. ::)
Thanks for sharing
Joakim
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Joakim, thanks you for the trouble. I have the self problem.
O.holoserica or O.scolopax, or hybrid.
Karl
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Joakim, it is probability Ophris holoserica. The lip from O.scolopax is long and narrow.
Karl
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Karl I totally agree that it looks more like Ophrys holoserica than O.scolopax. I was thinking of the hybrid since the "Field guide to orchids of Britain and Europe" talks about a hyrid that exist for example in "Istria" and "Dalmatia" and I presumed that the part of Croatia You visited was in those regions and therefore could have the hybrid. The hybrid seems to have less blue on the mirror of the lip compared to holoserica and could also have the mid lobe of the lip longer than the other to side lobe if You understand what I mean. I have not seen any holoserica my self and do not know how much they vary and if Yours is within the normal variation.
Kind regards
Joakim
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Variability of Ophrys holosericea
On the southern outskirts of Vienna is a protected area for plants. Currently, there flowers Ophrys holosericea. It grows in poor meadows and occurs in continental Europe and Mediterranean region.
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Joakim and Franz!
Thank you for yours help.
Franz wonderful Pics.
Karl
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Franz wonderful pictures thanks a lot. What a nice variability. When does it bloom in Austria?
Franz do You think that Karl´s plant is a hybrid or pure holoserica?
Kind regards
Joakim
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Joakim,
Ophrys holosericea flowers now.
I do not know whether Karl's plant is a hybrid or pure holoserica
The taxon of hybrid origin, very variable.
Thanks
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Thanks for the information Franz
Kind regards
Joakim
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Three more Disa from me.
Disa Unifoam,
Disa Kwensis,
Disa R Cywes
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not quite as exotic as those wonderful disa but some in flower at the moment.
serapia vomeracea
anacamptis pyramidalis
listera ovata
listera ovata
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I have the first two flowering now too. The last is common in the woods locally.
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Nice ones Tony
Do You grow them under glass or did I just get distracted of the background? They seem to be in pots the later two seem to be possible to grow in the ground or do You generally prefer to grow in pots.
Anthony photos :) it is nice to compare different plants.
Kind regards
Joakim
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Will take some pics tonight.
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Some self-seedlings from my friend's garden. I grow only a few of these.
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Hans great ones :) 8) :o
I did not know that dactylorhiza can form a clump? Or is it several plants close together? Anyway a very nice sight :)
Also nice color variations on foliage and flowers 8)
Thanks for sharing.
Kind regards
Joakim
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Joakim, it always is one plant!
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The first flower on Ophrys apifera has just opened in the garden.
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I wish my dactylorhiza would self seed and form clumps.
I've had them for 3 or 4 years and usually only get back the same number each year, with them occasionally producing two new plants on each stem.
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Joakim
I grow them in pots as I only have one of each.The listera has now self seeded in to my rhododendron bed.
I find the dactylorhiza split into two or three new crowns each year and so build up clumps. They self seed in every pot of hostas we have and this afternoon I visited a friend who also has them self seeding all over his garden.
My neighbour pulled one up in her garden and passed it over our fence asking if this was a weed as they are coming up everywhere!!
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I agree about the dactylorhizas. They make clumps quite quickly from vegetative increase. I usually get 2 big ones and 2 or 3 babies from a single ps.bulb each year so if you don't lift and separate, a clump builds in no time.
They also seed here, in the grass, into pots, into cracks in the concrete paths, into my largely pinebark pile of potting mix and especially into hosta and clumps of iris or lily where they're impossible to remove except by lifting and carefully dividing the whole thing. But hey, it's wonderful to have orchids naturalizing in the garden.
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I bought a plant of Dactylorhiza 'Bressingham Bonus' and it is now a large clump, not quite in flower. Most of my elata plants also clump up, but Ian gives a good account of how to increase them. They are, however, susceptible to that black fungus.
Here, as promised, Anacamptis pyramidalis and Serapias vomeracea.
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Thanks for the information about dactylorhiza every one. :)
Nice plants Anthony. I have not seen anything by Ian BD about making a plant it self bigger only how to make more plants out of one.
Does the increce/clumping every year imply that the strorage organs below ground gets bigger every year?
Sounds like a very attractive weed I must say :o :o :o 8) 8) 8)
Kind regards
Joakim
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Joakim, you will find all you need to know about increasing these plants in the bulb log. Check the index: http://www.srgc.org.uk/bulblog/index.pdf I gave my mother a Dactylorhiza elata which I planted in her bog garden (virtually 100% moss peat) and it is now a clump of over 50 spikes. This one hasn't spread by seed, but the native D. purpurella has and is turning up all over her garden. I have the same "problem", and also with D. fuchsii.
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Thanks for the link Anthony I had read these and what I see is that it gets more plants with this method and not one plant with many stems.
Or did everyone mean that it is "one plant" but many tubers implying that it sometimes get more than one new tuber per plant? I was thinking more like "one plant per tuber" and thought that was strange to have many stems from one tuber. Since the tubers are identical one can call them "one plant". This is even more so true if it has been done with the plant itself.
I am slow but I got there finally. It was the definition of "one plant" that got me lost :-[. Now I get it (I think)
Kind regards
Joakim
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They are, however, susceptible to that black fungus.
Anthony
interesting comment on the black fungus.I got it three years ago ,brought in I think on a plant of elata which was a gift and it has destroyed my whole collection. I had given spares of two of my rarer ones to a friend and one of these saccifera has now come back.
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Adding to Anthony's note, I have to confirm that my D. elata hasn't self sown either, although it does MAKE plenty seed. DD. maculata however and maculata ssp. fuchsii seed about beautifully, and there are even a couple self sown into the grass verge outside my garden. I also get a few seedlings from D. foliosa.
Joakim, the pseudobulbs get bigger to a certain degree as they clump but presumably reach the "full" size and don't get larger but there are little ones coming along to add to the clump. The first year, these babies are like a little white radishes, the long kind, not round, the gradually over a couple of years they get the "fingers" which give them their generic name. I guess while they are growing in an undisturbed clump they could be called one plant but when they are divided and separated they become many plants, each of which will grow into another clump over a few years. When a clump is divided, even the tiniest with just a miniscule ps.bulb of a few millimetres length, will grow on.
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Tony sorry to hear about Your collection but happy You got one back.
Lesley
Thanks for the information
Kind regards
Joakim
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Dactylorhiza maculata one very variable species.
Pogonia in my swamp.
Karl
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Compared with mine, your D. foliosa looks about right. However, it's really better if you can show the leaves a well. Leaves are a better ID factor than flowers in many cases.
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Need to see the whole plant, but the second is another Dactylorhiza sp. Here is a small clump of foliosa.
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Karl, your Pogonia in the swamp is a lovely colony. What a very delicate flower!
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can anyone tell me if this is D.foliosa?
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in my opinion it should look like this one: http://es.treknature.com/gallery/Europe/Portugal/photo119416.htm (http://es.treknature.com/gallery/Europe/Portugal/photo119416.htm)
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Karl, your Pogonia in the swamp is a lovely colony. What a very delicate flower!
Now that's my kind of flower. 8) I wonder if it would survive in swampy Dunblane?
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Maggi,
the Pagonia multipli very good.
Anthony,
I know not, Pogonia will sour and moisture.
Karl
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Rob Could Your plant be a hybrid bewteen gymnadeina and dactylorhiza
Check here what Lidafors have for crosses.
Not so good close ups but maybe You could compare anyway.
http://www.lidaforsgarden.com/Orchids/gymnadenia_eng.htm
Kind regards
Joakim
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You didn't say which was which Rob. I assume the one on the left is D. foliosa? It looks like mine but I haven't an electronic picture right now. They're underground. I'll take some pics in the spring.
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Having to check all my plants due to this current spell fo dry weather.
Here is my mum's Dactylorhiza sp. clump. I think it has been there for about 6 years?
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Your Mum's dact clump is lovely, Anthony , but I think you should lift it this year and spread the tubers around a wider area or they will deteriorate because of overcrowding :-X
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I'm assuming this is another way of telling Anthony to help himself to a bit because when in the UK, and especially Ireland, I saw ENORMOUS clumps of D. elata, some with hundreds of stems, the clumps measuring over two metres across. They couldn't have been disturbed for many years.
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I have to dig it up this weekend as it's not included in the sale of the house. Curiously, there are some (suspected) D. purpurella in amongst it. This species seeds itself all around my mum's garden to. Her clump of Cypripedium 'Ulla Silkens' has six flowering shoots this year (from 4 last year and 2 the year before), so plants do well in Doune.
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silly me started a new thread without realising there was already one on Orchids
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Can anyone tell me anything about the Dactylorhiza 'Harold Esselmont'? I bought it at the first SRGC weekend I attended. It's doing very well in my garden and caused a bit of a stir when a local hardy Orchid expert called to see my collection
Here are a couple of photos of 'Harold'
Dactylorhiza Cruickshanks form
Dactylorhiza elata x majalis
Dactylorhiza photographed in a local private estate
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Mark, this orchid, thought by some to be D. foliosa (though doubted as purely that because of its hardiness over more than 50 years in Aberdeen!) was grown and shown by the late Harold Esslemont, an SRGC grower and exhibitor of great renown. The plant was given his name by Mrs Kath Dryden, who gained a PC in 2002 and an Award of Merit in 2003 for it from the RHS Joint Rock plant committee.
Under Kath's care it has featured on several AGS Chelsea exhibits, tending to look a little paler in those circumstances, having been opened under glass, in time for the show, than it appears in the open garden.
You can read about the Preliminary Commendation award in the AGS bulletin, Volume 70, December 2002, beginning on page 484, and for the AM award in AGS bulletin Volume 71, December 2003, on page 390.
It is a most excellent plant, deserving to be more widely grown.
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foliosa has the upper 'petals' that usually form a hood seperated clearly showing the male and female parts
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"Schwarzes Kohlröschen" (black Nigritella) in my garden. Very difficult to cultivate!
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Two from me today one I have not seen on the Forum Calopogon Tuberosa and one of my Disa I will not bore you with the others Disa Uniflora alba,
Calopogon Tuberosa.
Disa Uniflora alba.
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Derek, I have never seen the "white" Disa.... what a pretty lemony colour! Are the flowers as large as the usual D. uniflora types?
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The "white" disa is beautiful Derek, and do post whatever you have out. NOT bored by them.
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One of the orchids on Mt Kymachalan Northern Greece. They flower there in thousands . And then three from Mt Vermion
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A loverly bunch of.....orchids Tony. The yellow is especially attractive, to me.
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here some pics from yesterday -from a nice walk
Cephalanthera rubra
Orchis spec.
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Very nice, Hans, but no time for a walk today.... we must see the Dauphine libere!! ;)
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Maggi - now we watching too ;D
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Derek, I have never seen the "white" Disa.... what a pretty lemony colour! Are the flowers as large as the usual D. uniflora types?
Derek, I have never seen the "white" Disa.... what a pretty lemony colour! Are the flowers as large as the usual D. uniflora types?
Maggi exactly the same size but I always thought Alba was white but this is pale lemon. Derek
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Three more Disa,
Disa Cinnamon,
Disa Orangeade,
Disa New Design.
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Hans nice Nigritella :) Do You have more of the around You?
The Alps seem to be their center of distribution. 8) :o Malmgren has a little about propagation and cultivation of this plant here.
http://www.lidaforsgarden.com/Orchids/co_le_pl_ne_eng.htm
Has the plant moved to You or dod it naturally occur?
Nice dactylorhiza Mark. :o 8)
Tony nice ones 8)
Hans J nice findings :)
Derek nice Disas 8)
Kind regards
Joakim
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Disa 'Orangeade.' YumYum :P
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Aw shucks. Just when I was happy with my lot, Derek produces these luscious plants that I don't have. :o No I'm not jealous, I have plenty on the go, I don't need to branch out. :-\ Just think of three weeks in Croatia. Two weeks and two days 'till the school holidays. ;D
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I DO like Disa! The flower spike of 'New Design' is good and full, isn't it? Super range of colours you have, Derek......all lovely
As an aside..... house extension and foreign holidays, Anthony ?? I am in the wrong business, obviously!! ;D
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Might be the last one for a while Maggi..........................could be nearly a year until the next one? ::) ;)
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Dactylorhiza hybrids in my garden.
(http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk81/SlugKiller/dactgarden1800.jpg)
(http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk81/SlugKiller/dactgarden2800.jpg)
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Dactylorhiza Inkspot at Oxen Pond Botanic Garden, St John's Newfoundland yesterday and bed of 500 at a local nursery, planted the day before. Inkspot appeared spontaeously in a local park and is now released under Plants Atlantic.
Quite a stunner. Said to be D. praetermissa v. julialis, thoughts?
johnw
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A great clump there John. Will you be able to photograph it when it flowers?
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A great clump there John. Will you be able to photograph it when it flowers?
Leslie - I will be back over there for a day in two or three weeks. Hopefully I'll catch them in bloom.
johnw
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Some orchids growing behind my garden (interesting leaves of Cephalanthera rubra, Platanthera bifolia and Dact. fuchsii)
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Some wild Cypripedium in Ontario in past 2 weeks.
1. C.parviflorum parviflorum (Beverley Swamp)
2. C.acaule (Killarney Provincial Park)
3. C.acaule, pale form (Algonquin Provincial Park)
4. C.acaule forma albiflorum (Algonquin Provincial Park)
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5. Calypso bulbosa (Flowerpot Island)
6. Liparis loeselii (Beverley Swamp)
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Some habitats..
1.Killarney Provincial Park
2.Algonquin Provincial Park
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Nice time you had. Beautiful orchids. :)
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Lovely photographs.It is one my ambitions to see the calypso in flower it looks wonderful.
A new weed has appeared in my garden,not the most interesting but still welcome
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Another one, then, just to keep you going.
There are lighter and darker forms in different parts of North America/other parts of the world.
It grew in deep dark mossy forest.
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I love these. Like some Disney-invented small animal. :)
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LOvely to see those Calypso pics,, thank you.
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I just love Calypso bulbosa. Someone a couple of years ago offered some of us plants as they were growing 'like weeds' - even invading his compost bin. Must have put the 'kiss of death' on those plants. :(
Here's a rather tired bumble bee with its face covered with pollinia from Dactylorhiza elata. Rather like flying around with a tyre round your neck?
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The whites are very attractive.
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Some orchis from Upper Austria
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Beautiful images Hans, many thanks for posting.
Just to clarify, image 4640 is actually an Orobanche ... a broomrape, a parasitic plant that lacks chlorophyll.
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Here are the selections I have made and some pictured of other orchids in flower here-
Anacamptis pyramidalis var alba I assume, it appeared in my clump of normal form below -
(http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd120/robsorchids/Picture238.jpg)
(http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd120/robsorchids/Picture239.jpg)
A very white form that appeared among the various species I grow, it's very tall and has clear foliage I wonder what it could be? Probably a hybrid.-
(http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd120/robsorchids/Picture240.jpg)
Another white one that has attractive pink veining on the lip again not sure what its origins are but perhaps just a white form of elata or fuchsii.-
(http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd120/robsorchids/Picture241.jpg)
This one has quite plain flowers with very little markings, but I selected it for its clear foliage (not pictured) just took a pic of the flowers-
(http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd120/robsorchids/Picture242.jpg)
So are any of these of interest? I think the white form of the Anacamptis is particularly good I have a spare tuber of this one too.
Rob
Nice plants Rob. I like the white pyramidalis and would certainly like a tuber. The white one with the veining fits within the range of vars that fuchsii shows. I can give you a plant of 'Bressingham Bonus' if you don't have it?
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Here's a clump of Dactylorhiza 'Bressingham Bonus'. It needs moving as it is being pushed out by other plants, including one I regard as a bit of a thug at this time of year: Colchicum graecum. How PC can suggest planting it with Leucojum autumnalis I don't know! ::)
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Must get my orchid cabinet up and running. ::)
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Some shots from a very exciting trip to Kent last weekend. The site had thousands of Anacamptis pyramidalis, some nice Gymnadenia conopsea, a good helping of Ophrys apifera and the first lizard orchids I've ever seen in the flesh.I sat down to draw one of the plants when the sky was a bit overcast but the sun soon came out and then I was treated to the full goaty pong that gives the plant its name.The rain-jewelled pyramid, by the way, had hundreds of baby spiders inside.
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Wow. Lizard orchids in the UK. Fantastic. :o Did you just happen upon them?
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No. This trip was planned. I was thinking about going to Sandwich golf course where there are thousands but on an organised walk a fortnight ago someone mentioned there were a few on another golf course much closer to London. I counted four in flower but apparently in previous years there have been up to twelve.
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Well, it is pleasing to know that they are doing well, and welcome to the Forum Craig. You've passed the entrance exam with honours (first class). ;D
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Hi, Craig, a warm welcome to the Forum. Great orchid pix.... what a treat to see these "lizards" looking so good....thank you!
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Some Ophrys apifera taken today just down the road, counted thirty plants in total. Third photo is some more of my Dact hybrids.
(http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk81/SlugKiller/ophrys8700.jpg)
(http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk81/SlugKiller/ophrys12700.jpg)
(http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk81/SlugKiller/dactpot700.jpg)
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Another orchid in blossom Gymnadenia conopsea
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The wild plants are truly stunning but I really like your hybrid too Dave. Is it maculata x elata? or the reverse cross? or something else?
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Mmm. Wish Ophrys apifera could be grown outside here. :(
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Thanks for the warm welcome ;D .
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Hi Lesley, I believe the Dact hybrids to be a cross between praetermissa and fuchsii but nothing is certain.
Epipactis mairei
(http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk81/SlugKiller/epipactis4700.jpg)
(http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk81/SlugKiller/epipactis1700.jpg)
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Epipactis mairei is not a plant I know, but I love those colours and lovely shape :) How tall is it, please?
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Hi, the description here is from 'Orchids of China'. Crustacare.be sell this plant or used to. My plants are not quite as tall as the ones in the photo.
(http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk81/SlugKiller/epipactisdesc.jpg)
Some better Ophrys pic's, it was a bit dull yesterday.
(http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk81/SlugKiller/ophrys2new700.jpg)
(http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk81/SlugKiller/ophrysnew700.jpg)
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Interesting position of the pollinia in Ophrys pic one. Must have been pollinated?
I have Epipactis mairei but it is not out yet.
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Here is a useful web site: http://www.hardyorchidsociety.org.uk/
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;D Here's Disa Unifoam "Firebird". First time for me without slaying one of these ! ;D
Love the Epipactis mairei and the O.apifera pics.
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Thankyou for the publicity Anthony (!!)
The next meeting of the Hardy Orchid Society is at Harlow Carr in August.
We also have Field Trips and an action packed Journal.
Details on the website.
Giles
(Sec. Hardy Orchid Society)
Is Maggi going to let me get away with this?
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Thankyou for the publicity Anthony (!!)
The next meeting of the Hardy Orchid Society is at Harlow Carr in August.
We also have Field Trips and an action packed Journal.
Details on the website.
Giles
(Sec. Hardy Orchid Society)
Is Maggi going to let me get away with this?
Goodness me, Giles, don't you know by know that the SRGC exists to help other societies as well as itself spread the word about the world of plants? 8)
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The SRGC.
Everybody's best friend.
Thankyou Maggi
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Yes, Maggi. Keeping all this to ourselves would just be pure greed. ;D