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Bulbs => Crocus => Topic started by: sokol on January 01, 2018, 06:31:15 AM
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First spring Crocus here is Crocus leichtlinii.
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Excellent pictures and crocus!
Real New Year greeting!
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Crocus concinnus a real gem, sourced from Janis.
Crocus chrysanthus x Sea Dream, very early!
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Mine are not the best of images as there was only a brief spell of sunshine as the sun was setting.
My hands may also have had a wee shake as a legacy of the night before. ::)
Happy New Year everyone!
Crocus caricus
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Crocus nubigena
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Crocus concinnus
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Crocus danfordiae Blue form
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Crocus gembosii Sunspot
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A mild spell has brought a few crocus into flower. Hoping for a return to cold weather to hold the rest back.
Crocus punctatus and a white form of Crocus danfordiae.
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First of the spring flowering crocuses out today
Crocus atrospermus
Crocus biflorus pulchricolor white form
Crocus cyprius
Crocus fleischeri from Feithye,Turkey
Crocus hartmannianus a gift from a friend
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Two more
Crocus chrysanthus a pale form from Mt Vermion,Greec
Crocus fleischeri from Feithye ,Turkey
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Crocus biflorus, ex Monte Baldo
Crocus kerndorffiorum x leichtlinii, thanks Tony G. ;)
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Nice collection and pictures of Crocus everybody. There are so many interesting Crocus lacking in my own collection.
Tony, do you mean Fethiye in Turkey where your Crocus fleischeri is from?
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Nice collection and pictures of Crocus everybody. There are so many interesting Crocus lacking in my own collection.
Tony, do you mean Fethiye in Turkey where your Crocus fleischeri is from?
yes if I remember correctly near Uzumlu just north of feithye
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Crocus biflorus crewii
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yes if I remember correctly near Uzumlu just north of feithye
Thanks, I have found Üzümlü.
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Yesterday I used the last warm and sunny day for a while to take some pictures.
Crocus dalmaticus from southern Albania. Or is it Crocus sublimis?
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Crocus danfordiae from a kind friend
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Crocus nubigena? that I have got as Crocus weldenii
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This will be second night with minus 10 C, tomorrow I will start covering of all beds with 5 cm thick glass-wool sheets. Next weeks are promised only with minus temperatures. A lot of crocuses are with flowerbuds out, but as days are cloudy no flowers opened.
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as you mention le grey sky doesn't help the buds to open.
Here's one from you: Crocus sakaltutanensis, an absolute stunner!
Crocus sieberi 'Hubert Edelsten' , outside they has been eaten by slugs.
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as you mention le grey sky doesn't help the buds to open.
Here's one from you: Crocus sakaltutanensis, an absolute stunner!
Crocus sieberi 'Hubert Edelsten' , outside they has been eaten by slugs.
Thank you, I like sakaltutanensis very much, it is so different from neighbours and others, that you can immediately note it between hundreds.
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Here started winter. Last night we had minus 11 C and still there are no snow at all. On Sunday morning, after two days and nights with almost constant temperature -7 to minus 9 C, I pluck off last "autumn" blooming crocus flowers - mostly melantherus, laevigatus, pumilus and some last niveus, goulimyi, aleppicus and maid a list of spring bloomers which showed well developed flower buds, and this list turned quite long - alatavicus, antherotes, baytopiorum, fauseri, hittiticus, korolkowii, olivieri, randjeloviciorum, tauricus, uschakensis and may be some more, not everyone was noted and registered. Then followed covering with glass-wool. It took half day. On attached picture you can see how looks my greenhouse today at 11-00 in morning, when bright sun something warmed up greenhouse. The temperature in greenhouse raised up to minus 1.5 (minimum last night was -9), under cover at top of pots it is zero, but at bottom of pots + 1.5. Actually that is almost ideal, and if there was not some damage from frost in the first 2 nights without cover, seem that crocuses can overwinter well. Of course, if there will not come unexpected heat waves or very extreme frost. I'm every day checking max/min temperatures both in greenhouse air and over cover, just below cover and at bottom of pots.
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Janis do you let an empty air's layer between the panels and the raised bed?
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horrible weather here,dark and wet but not cold only down to -2c at night and upto 12c in the greenhouse at times during the day.
Lots of crocuses showing buds,just need some warmth to open
Crocus cyprius my own seed collection in 1995
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Janis do you let an empty air's layer between the panels and the raised bed?
And how good is the isolation of these white stones? Is it colder at the side as in the middle or not?
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horrible weather here,dark and wet but not cold only down to -2c at night and upto 12c in the greenhouse at times during the day.
Lots of crocuses showing buds,just need some warmth to open
Crocus cyprius my own seed collection in 1995
Nice collection!
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Janis do you let an empty air's layer between the panels and the raised bed?
No. The glass-wool sheets (5 cm thick) lies just on crocus leaves, shoots, pots.
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Crocus veluchensis Mt Olympus
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Janis, your greenhouse looks bigger than my garden.
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Janis, your greenhouse looks bigger than my garden.
It is 400 square meters large. In another of same size bulbs are planted in ground and no covering there is provided. From that bulbs slowly goes out and sold according catalogue. When it will be free (I hope it will take not more than 2-3 years) I hope to grow there some peaches, grapes, vegetables.
The list of my new catalogue is prepared, but still no prices, descriptions, pictures are attached, so you can only see on my home page what will be offered this season, but no orders at present can be accepted.
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ok Janis.
Here it's spring in the greenhouse
Crocus leichtlinii
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Crocus nivalis and
Crocus biflorus alexandri
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Last year I sent one corm of pink Crocus alatavicus to Japan. This morning got mail with photo of it in Japan. My customer wrote me: "Pink alatavicus" blooms from yesterday. It was a color really same as an image. It is impressive beauty. I thank for what you handed over. ... A wrinkle caused ... by ups and downs of the temperature had intense, a leaf, a flower seemed to remain too much in bract at long time." Picture from Japan attached.
My own corm is with well coloured bud out, but now it is under glass-wool covering, so it is waiting for opening at last days of February (if weather will allow), when I'm arranging open door days or CROCUS DAYS in my nursery from 1-6th of March and from 9-20th of March. Visitors then are welcome.
Janis
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MY NEW OFFER WAS OPENED YESTERDAY LATE EVENING - see http://www.rarebulbs.lv/index.php/en/ (http://www.rarebulbs.lv/index.php/en/)
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Crocus biflorus pulchricolor x chrysanthus natural hybrid Turkey,Ulu Dag
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Crocus chrysanthus 'Rusne'
Crocus danfordiae
Crocus gargaricus
Crocus michelsonii
Crocus michelsonii LEE408
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Crocus tommasinianus JG4
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Nice vivids colors to light a bit under the grey sky!
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Crocus gembosii
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Good enough to eat!!
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Good enough to eat!!
No chocolat Maggi .... ;)
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Very good Kris!
We just passed the second frost wave with lowest temperature minus 11, but now all snow again melted and outside is +4. My pots still are covered and most of crocuses are sleeping, Only some 10 species pushed out closed flower buds, but I can’t take off covering as somewhere in February new frost wave is predicted and covering helps to keep plants sleeping. Although it seems that this winter temperature will not fell below minus 15 – the warmest winter in my life.
From 1st-6th and again from 8th-15th of March I have open door days in my nursery – so named Crocus days and all are welcome, too – if you will found time.
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While Janis is frozen i'm in sweat in the greenhouse ;D
Crocus mawii
Crocus atticus(?) ssp sublimis 'Michael Hoog's Memory'
Crocus cyprius
Crocus biflorus subsp alexandri
Crocus thirkeanus
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all is getting fast with crocuses
Crocus biflorus subsp atrospermus
Crocus chrysanthus 'Sun Spot' (i've found the spot...not the sun!)
Crocus leichtlinii
Crocus uschakensis
Crocus chrysanthus 'Snow bunting'
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Yann! You are progressive in names - see C. thirkeanus, but why you still use subsp.? Better to change labels to binominals, because many of former biflorus subsp. genetically are very different and forms different, not related groups. Same is regarding subsp. of former sieberi, although atticus, sublimis, nivalis at least are relatives. But another relative - Crocus athous never was regarded as subsp. and the C. georgei, although similar, is quite distant. Sunspot better to regard as C. gembosii cultivar.
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You're right, i should change my labels.
I still refer to old system http://www.uniprot.org/taxonomy/481023 (http://www.uniprot.org/taxonomy/481023)
Michael Hoog's Memory should be regarded as atticus?
and yes Sun spot is now gembosii relative, need to update the label too.
Thanks
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that's done :)
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Michael Hoog's Memory is C. sublimis, if I remember well.
Here dark weather, snow mixed with rain, no one flower opened yet. On picture view on landscape with pergola, where summer parties occur (from upper flat of our house).
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Can someone identify this crocus please? Turned up from a batch of what was supposed to be C. tommasinianus roseus. While I love Crocuses, they are not a genus I am at all knowledgeable about!
Thanks
Paul
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Can someone identify this crocus please? Turned up from a batch of what was supposed to be C. tommasinianus roseus. While I love Crocuses, they are not a genus I am at all knowledgeable about!
Thanks
Paul
It's Crocus tommasinianus - a very nice 'white' form. There is one named 'Eric Smith' which has purple flecks. This could be what you have but yours is nicer than those I used to grow!
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A few milder days and the crocuses surge into flower. Too soon :P It's always better if the cold weather holds the flowers back until the days are longer and the sun higher in the sky.
First, from a mixed pot raised from seed some years ago, The seed - there was not much - came from various plants under the label Crocus biflorus isauricus. This one looks like it has crossed with chrysanthus ..... is the name C x Bornmuelleri still valid?
Crocus cyprius - I am slowly building up numbers of this delicate beauty since I obtained a couple of different clones about ten years ago.
Crocus danfordiae - still small but this form has larger flowers than other danfordiae that I grow
Crocus gargaricus
Crocus herbertii
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Crocus nivalis - from wild collected seed in year 2000
Crocus orphei - from my own seed taken from plants collected as reticulatus on Mt Falakro by David Stephens
Crocus sieberi - classic purple and white
Crocus sieberi - almost without purple markings
Crocus veluchensis
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Two pictures of one of my two plants of 'yellow atticus'. Both flowered for the first time last year in different seed raisings of Crocus atticus. Both can be traced back to the same wild collection which I received in 2000 as 'sieberi ssp.' Yellow in the genes or just lucky chance hybrids? If hybrids, with what other species? Cvijicii? Gargaricus? ??
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Thanks for the ID Tony. Checking other pictures of Crocus tommasinianus 'Eric Smith' on the web, mine do look just like them. Also, the supplier I got the bulbs from does also sell 'Eric Smith'.
Thanks again
Paul
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Crocus biflorus ssp pulchricolor from near Lake Abant Turkey
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Greetings from Turkey, Antalya.
C. Antalyensis (Not confirmed)
C.akdagensis ?
C. Fleischeri (Janis Ruksans confirmed, thanks too)
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For some time I could just admire your wonderful Crocus and it was cold and dark here. Crocus were coming out but did not open.
Yesterday was a sunny day and it seemed to be like an explosion of flowers. The bees have been very busy especially with
Crocus antalyensioides.
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I am happy with my eastern Crocus species that also started at the weekend to flower.
Crocus alatavicus
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Crocus korolkowii
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Crocus michelsonii
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How to distinguish Crocus atticus from Crocus sublimis when they are in flower? The first is from sea level at the southern tip of Evia, the second from Mt. Kandila in the middle of Evia. The third crocus is of unknown origin.
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Crocus cyprius was fast, three years from seed to flower.
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Some more pictures taken at the sunny Monday.
Crocus adanensis
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Crocus babadagensis, which opened the flowers at lower temperatures as most of the others.
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Crocus danfordiae
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Crocus boryi was rather late last autumn here but there are two origins that started in January,
a pot full of seedlings from Kithnos that started to flower last weekend:
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Crocus fleischeri from Chios:
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I have got a name for this one as Crocus concinnus yesterday:
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Crocus tauricus:
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Nice pictures Stefan! Here also a bit sun yesterday, only in frame the first open flowers.
Crocus 'Rainbow Gold', a cross between C.veluchensis from Bulgaria and C.cvijicii from Greece
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Now you all know I like my daffodils and snowdrops but the crocuses are wonderful to add a bit of drama in the sea of white and yellow!
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How to distinguish Crocus atticus from Crocus sublimis when they are in flower? The first is from sea level at the southern tip of Evia, the second from Mt. Kandila in the middle of Evia. The third crocus is of unknown origin.
In sublimis flower throat is distinctly pubescent, in atticus mostly glabrous or sparsely pubescent, but the best feature to separate both is corm tunics - coarsely reticulated with long neck in atticus and finely reticulated with short neck in sublimis
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Crocus biflorus ssp pulchricolor from near Lake Abant Turkey
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Not easy to identify by picture, but not far from lake Abant is growing C. zetterlundii. Check the cataphylls - if they are yellowish, it almost certainly is zetterlundii. I separate my stocks very easy just by colour of cataphylls, especially if you can compare both species side by side. C. pulchricolor grows on Ulu Dag - quite distant from Abant.
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In sublimis flower throat is distinctly pubescent, in atticus mostly glabrous or sparsely pubescent, but the best feature to separate both is corm tunics - coarsely reticulated with long neck in atticus and finely reticulated with short neck in sublimis
Thanks Janis, I will check the first feature today and the other during dormancy.
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Nice pictures Stefan! Here also a bit sun yesterday, only in frame the first open flowers.
Crocus 'Rainbow Gold', a cross between C.veluchensis from Bulgaria and C.cvijicii from Greece
Thanks Dirk! All of the Crocus shown are located in the warmest place of the garden, SW-faced and protected to the north by the house and against the cold winds from the east.
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Crocus gembosii! What a thriller! Is this a new species or maybe a natural hybrid or what? I've seen no mention of it ever. Did I just have my eyes closed? (I don't have Janis' most recent book of course.)
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Two weeks ago everything was snow covered and probably it will be again from tomorrow on.
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Crocus gembosii! What a thriller! Is this a new species or maybe a natural hybrid or what? I've seen no mention of it ever. Did I just have my eyes closed? (I don't have Janis' most recent book of course.)
Crocus gembosii was published by me in 2016 in International Rock Gardener (76: p.28-31). See: http://www.srgc.org.uk/logs/logdir/2016Apr281461879792IRG_76.pdf (http://www.srgc.org.uk/logs/logdir/2016Apr281461879792IRG_76.pdf)
Earlier it was regarded as C. chrysanthus, but well separable from this. Even more it is quite unique because freely hybridizes with neighbouring blue flowering species which identity is not proofed - most likely it is C. concinnus or C. mawii (in my book regarded as C. mawii - but differences between both are so subtle and overlapping that without DNA is almost impossible to separate both). I'm attaching for you, Leslie, some pictures of such hybrids used in my book, but there are many more in my collection.
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Thank you so much Janis. Your answer is most helpful. I have to admit that nowadays my aging brain tends to skip over information quite lightly without properly absorbing it. In part this is because there is so MUCH new information about species which we don't have here in NZ and never will have so to some extent it seems irrelevant but that's a poor excuse and most likely I am just lazy.
Your pictures are really lovely and I am delighted to see the wonderful variation and colouring of the gemboshii hybrids. I may never be able to grow them but I can still enjoy what is shown here on the Forum and elsewhere and I am so grateful to the late Marcus Harvey for giving me so many of his special and rare crocuses. I probably have a better collection than anyone else in New Zealand and now I think it's important to distribute them before it is too late.
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Leslie,
I would be happy to send you some seeds at least, but due New Zealand import rules it is impossible and two my attempts to do this earlier, failed.
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I had no problems to send seed to New Zealand till now (Crocus, Fritillaria Lilium).
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Leslie,
I would be happy to send you some seeds at least, but due New Zealand import rules it is impossible and two my attempts to do this earlier, failed.
At least sending to Australia would be permissible under its previous name of C. chrysanthus with C. gembosii as a synonym!
We really hope that Australian Biosecurity don't adopt NZ's bizarre attitude to newly re-classified botanical names,
cheers
fermi
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Not easy to identify by picture, but not far from lake Abant is growing C. zetterlundii. Check the cataphylls - if they are yellowish, it almost certainly is zetterlundii. I separate my stocks very easy just by colour of cataphylls, especially if you can compare both species side by side. C. pulchricolor grows on Ulu Dag - quite distant from Abant.
Janis,thank you i have looked at the cataphylls and they are colourless and almost transparent .
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Crocus time in full swing with me too, bit of catching up to do :
Crocus cyprius (from seed)
Crocus danforidiae (from seed)
Crocus flavus (from seed)
Crocus minimus
Ice blue Crocus baytopiorum
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Some more...
Crocus nivalis (I think)
Crocus pseudonubigena from Halkis Dag
Crocus sieberi sieberi from Drimiskos
Crocus suaveolens
Crocus tommasinianus albus
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Crocus gembosii was published by me in 2016 in International Rock Gardener (76: p.28-31). See: http://www.srgc.org.uk/logs/logdir/2016Apr281461879792IRG_76.pdf (http://www.srgc.org.uk/logs/logdir/2016Apr281461879792IRG_76.pdf)
Earlier it was regarded as C. chrysanthus, but well separable from this. Even more it is quite unique because freely hybridizes with neighbouring blue flowering species which identity is not proofed - most likely it is C. concinnus or C. mawii (in my book regarded as C. mawii - but differences between both are so subtle and overlapping that without DNA is almost impossible to separate both). I'm attaching for you, Leslie, some pictures of such hybrids used in my book, but there are many more in my collection.
Wow ....so nice Janis !!!!
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Crocus time in full swing with me too, bit of catching up to do :
Crocus cyprius (from seed)
Crocus danforidiae (from seed)
Crocus flavus (from seed)
Crocus minimus
Ice blue Crocus baytopiorum
Very nice Luc !!!!
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i'm speechless Janis :o
Luc that's a nice collection you show us.
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Crocus sieberi sublimis and weldenii, sun is needed they don't open
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Crocus sieberi sublimis and weldenii, sun is needed they don't open
Who can blame them?! More sun would be a treat for us all - too wet and dark here.
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Today was my first garden tour this spring (OK, we don't have spring here, yet). No pictures, though - camera does not want to cooperate with crutches.
Snowdrops and first C. coum are open. Winter aconites in yellow buds - nice, but very early here.
Oddly enough, the first fully developed crocus ready to open, waiting for the first glimpse of spring is C. etruscus. No other crocus show any visible flower buds. In the previous years earlier were C. korolkowii and C. ancyrensis. Now I can't see them - may be they perished, they don't like my garden. I have two clones of C. etruscus: Zwanenburg of commercial origin and Rosalind from Latvia (but not from Janis). I cannot see any difference in flowers, but the only developed buds are on Rosalind. Is it possible that they differ so much in timing? Or I have something else, not Rosalind?
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Forgot to add - all your pics are so nice. In my garden commercial plants still dominate, nothing very special. Still nice though.
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Crocus tommasinianus 'Bobbo' - I got this form from Desirable Plants and this is the information they give about it: "A distinctive old cultivar of the classic slender flowered spring crocus whose leaves are quite well expanded at flowering time. Flowers lilac-pink with a white throat and white tips. The outsides of the closed flowers are wonderfully pale and pearly, a great consolation if happens hit its peak in a run of cloudy days. Named by E.A. Bowles ‘to remind me of the sharp-eyed boy who was the first to spot it’ and given to us by John Foster who, as a lad, met EAB himself."
Paul