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Bulbs => Bulbs General => Topic started by: Rafa on July 13, 2008, 07:28:52 PM
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Some pictures of allium species in the garden
Allium-paczoskianum
Allium-paczoskianum-2
Allium-pallens
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Rafa, thank you for opening the thread. Two gorgeous species unknown to me. Will wait for more pics
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This Allium was grown from ACE seed, #2394. The only information provided was "cw Gang-ho-ba, Lijang, China 3450m to 70cm, in screes" and remains to this day Allium sp. Would anyone be able to identify it?
johnw
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Hello John,
What are the tunics of the bulbs like? I assume this has 2-3 leaves per bulb and are lanceolate with a somewhat distinct petiole, but with decurrent leaf bases?
If so I get A.prattii. There are other choices but I would need the above to be more sure. Would be even better to have a plant! If you get seed on it I would love to trade for something.
Aaron Floden
Knoxville, TN
TENN (herbarium)
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Hello John,
What are the tunics of the bulbs like? I assume this has 2-3 leaves per bulb and are lanceolate with a somewhat distinct petiole, but with decurrent leaf bases?
If so I get A.prattii. There are other choices but I would need the above to be more sure. Would be even better to have a plant! If you get seed on it I would love to trade for something.
Aaron Floden
Knoxville, TN
TENN (herbarium)
Aaron - Indeed 2-3 leaves per bulb, leaves reminiscent of an Aspidistra and yes with decurrent leaf bases. The base of the petioles and lower stem is a rich burgundy/brown and in a few leaves it extends into the midrib a bit. I tried to photograph these parts but it is dark here now, I tried again under fluorescents and then sodium light in the plant shed. The shot is terrible but at least shows this colouration.
Have nae checked their tunics - rather bashful about such things.
I notice flowers coming on Allium sp. ACE#2430 - cw Yulong Shan above Xi Song,China 3500m to 30cm so will post that as well.
Thanks for your helpful information and await a verdict.
johnw
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Rafa, splendid Allium pallens. I am interested if seeds....???? Thank you for the pics
Dominique
Some pictures of allium species in the garden
Allium-paczoskianum
Allium-paczoskianum-2
Allium-pallens
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Of course Dominique, but I think I will collect seeds from the wild as I didn't supervising the pollination and I am not sure if they have received the pollen from other allium blooming at the same time and very close.
Some other allium and the first Scilla autumnalis
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I am also rather fond of Allium.
The fireworks typ is quite nice. This is of course flavum.
If there is a lot of surplus seed I would also be interested in pallens and paczoskianum (unless they are tender)
I have also a couple of broadleaves Chinese ones.
A ovalifolium and ovalifolium leuconervum.
Göte
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Hello Göte,
Both are hardy, specially A. pazowskianum from North Caucasus. Definitively I will collect this year A. pallens in the country to send Dominique and you and to donate to SRGC seedlist. I though A. pallens was more common in culture...
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Nice allium ovalifolium, Gote. I have had problems with posting recently. But, perhaps, these pics willl appear
allium tauricola
allium globosum
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I seem to have finally won the game with my PC. It still writes ssome nasty words to me about errors but the pictures are here
allium albidum
allium hookeri
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Some more
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allium pskemense
allium pseudoflavum
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The first picture in the previous post is Allium paniculatum
Allium angulosum
Allium cernuum Major
Allium macranthum
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Oleg, I am so pleased that you are again able to post.
I have edited your posts to include the picture file names in the text to allow them to be found by the search engine :-*
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Thank you, Maggi. Now I'll be wise enough to do it myself for everybody's comfort
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Super, Oleg, many thanks!
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Still another allium I have taken a picture of today.
Allium fuscoviolaceum
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Every week seems to give another allium flowering
Allium ericetorum
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My goodness, what a fine selection of Allium you have , Oleg.... you really like them, don't you?
It has given me an idea for a nickname for you....... ::) ;)
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Yes I do like them. I recon I have appr. 70 species. But I like everything bulbous. The problem is bulbs mainly flower in spring & autumn. What is left for summer? You guessed it right
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Maggi,
If you're the one who labelled Oleg as an "onion farmer", that seems a little harsh? There are far more to Allium than just onions you know?
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The problem is bulbs mainly flower in spring & autumn. What is left for summer? You guessed it right
;D ;)
If you're the one who labelled Oleg as an "onion farmer", that seems a little harsh? There are far more to Allium than just onions you know?
Yes, Paul, it was I who gave Oleg his nickname.... I thought it rather amusing that a man with so very many Allium species in his collection would be termed an onion farmer :D Sorry if my joke has gone astray! :-[ :-* :-*
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This reply from Paul reminds me of the late (great) Wayne Roderick, who referred to Ian and I as " you miserable erythronium growers"...... we were delighted with that soubriquet from Wayne.... it was the equivalent of having a cartoon made of you! fame at last!! :-X ;) ;D 8)
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Wow! So, I'm popular, aren't I?
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Bringing these photos to us, Oleg, I should certainly think you are! :-*
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Allium amplectens from last week:
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Allium victorialis from earlier this summer
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Oleg
What is the origin of your A.ericetorum? By chance does the flower stem come up spiraled and eventually straighten out over the course of the summer? And just a few blue-grey leaves?
Aaron Floden
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Aaron, sorry for the delay with the answer. Just have missed your post. A. ericetorum is from Italy. Leaves are green for my plants and I haven't seen a spiralling trend with them. May be a subsp.?
2 more alliums for today looking somewhat similar from far away, but still different
Allium canadense
Allium tuberosum
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I have this fear of onions in the garden, having been unable to eradicate a particularly nasty one that spread rapidly throughout my whole garden - I moved to avoid it.
It is great to be able to enjoy Allium from afar through the Forum.
Oleg are your two Allium well controlled or invasive? The bees certainly seem to like them.
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Oleg,
Thanks for the reply. I was wonder because Chen Yi has sent something under Allium cyathoprum (misspelling intended) that at least one person has called ericetorum. For those that may have this plant with greyish-green leaves and a late summer flowering of ivory or creamy white it keys to A. maowanense, excepting a few very minor details.
Now I must say that I doubt your Allium canadense, especially if it is flowering now. A.canadense and var. lavendulare should flower in mid-late May, var mobilense (arenicola, mutabile, etc) flowers in early-mid May, var. fraseri (a species in its own right IMHO) should flower in late April to early early May.
Mine are all dormant now and will put up new leaves in October or early November.
Below are photos of A.c.var. lavendulare from eastern Kansas.
And another from Chen Yi that I have yet to key out, but I have been told it looks like saxatile which should be conspecific with globosum, which I have from either Georgia or the Ukraine, and looks nothing like it.
Aaron Floden
Knoxville, TN
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Athur,
Both alliums are quite obedient and as they are late summer-autumn flowering don't have enough time to produce seed. Look at the picture of a 10 years old clump below. However, I have some which are invasive producing numerous bulbils on their flowerhead or selfseeding freely. So far I have managed to control them burning bulbils (still have some sporadic germination). I recon in this climate it is easier to control them than in warmer parts.
Aaron,
Thanks for ideas of A. canadense. I have long suspected something wrong with the name (taking into account its late flowering). I received it 10 years ago as A.c. var. fraseri. Any thoughts of what it can be? A ssp. of A.tuberosum?
As for A.saxatile & globosum, John Bryan in his "Bulbs" considers them synonims. But people here think they are different. I posted a picture of my A.globosum from the Caucasus here (post of August,6). Unfortunately have faild with A.saxatile from the same source. Now no chance to compare them. This year I received A.g.ssp.psebaicum. Hope to see its flowers next year
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Allium tardiflorum starts to bloom now. It is a very rare species growing only in two sites on Mt. Carmel.
It is closely related [ if not the same Sp. , o.p.]to Allium tardans from Cyprus, Greece and Turkey.
It is fast to set seeds that will germinate immediately after the first rains
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Blooming since the end of november (very early this year) Allium chamaemoly is always here for Christmas, not gorgeous plant but finely hairy leaves and little ornithogalum looking flowers 1cm above the ground only. I like that species for sandy soil
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Dominique
beautiful , from where it comes?
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From Italy
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I suppose this can go here as it started flowering in December:
Allium saxatile,
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for some reason this is on our "prohibited list" so we can't import seed of it. I grew it from live plants bought through mail-order. It does seed around a bit.
cheers
fermi