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Title: Galanthus to identify, please
Post by: Maggi Young on December 13, 2008, 09:41:03 PM
Hello, just received these photos of a snowdrop that a Belgian Member would like to have identified..... who can help, please?
Click on the photos to enlarge them!
Title: Re: Galanthus to identify, please
Post by: mark smyth on December 13, 2008, 10:10:07 PM
Flowering now?

The leaves look like it could be a plicatus elwesii hybrid
Title: Re: Galanthus to identify, please
Post by: Maggi Young on December 13, 2008, 10:26:21 PM
I'm assuming so, until I hear otherwise!
Title: Re: Galanthus to identify, please
Post by: mark smyth on December 16, 2008, 12:06:20 PM
If it flowers now I suppose it is worth having in the collection. If it flowers in the main season to my eyes it's just another hybrid snowdrop
Title: Re: Galanthus to identify, please
Post by: Maggi Young on December 16, 2008, 12:10:49 PM
Yes, it is flowering now .
Title: Re: Galanthus to identify, please
Post by: Hagen Engelmann on December 16, 2008, 12:43:53 PM
Maggi, it could be a G. elwesii monostictus of the BARNES or HIEMALIS group. Here bloom also 2-3 cultivares with this background. Think, for a GexGp-Hybrid its too early ?!
Title: Re: Galanthus to identify, please
Post by: Maggi Young on December 16, 2008, 12:57:19 PM
Thank you, Hagen.

 As you know, my knowledge of all things Galanthus is minimal, but I did think that this was very early for a G. elwesii x G. plicatus  hybrid .  It seems quite a tall plant?
Title: Re: Galanthus to identify, please
Post by: mark smyth on December 16, 2008, 01:32:06 PM
Hagan the largest leaf is plicate
Title: Re: Galanthus to identify, please
Post by: Hagen Engelmann on December 16, 2008, 02:04:46 PM
No Mark, there is the pic only bad. All are convolut. Have a look to the top, there are blurring both leaves.
Title: Re: Galanthus to identify, please
Post by: Paddy Tobin on December 16, 2008, 02:33:29 PM
I would suggest G. elwesii monostictus Hiemalis Group also.

Mark, I think the largest leaf is convolute but the photograph, with the way the plant is lying, does make it look plicate but, I think, it is only that the lower leaf in the photograph seems to be part of the upper leaf because of the angle of the shot.

Paddy
Title: Re: Galanthus to identify, please
Post by: Maggi Young on December 16, 2008, 02:43:51 PM
I would suggest G. elwesii monostictus Hiemalis Group also.

Mark, I think the largest leaf is convolute but the photograph, with the way the plant is lying, does make it look plicate but, I think, it is only that the lower leaf in the photograph seems to be part of the upper leaf because of the angle of the shot.

Paddy

I've just been having a closer look and I believe Hagen and Paddy are correct about the leaves.
Title: Re: Galanthus to identify, please
Post by: Maggi Young on December 16, 2008, 06:57:49 PM
I have information that the plant is flowering now, in a garden, not a pot. Here is a photo of the leaves, with a ruler for scale....
click the pic to enlarge....
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Title: Re: Galanthus to identify, please
Post by: mark smyth on December 16, 2008, 07:32:07 PM
that snowdrop is not happy. Soon it will be dormant and may not appear again until this time 2009.
Title: Re: Galanthus to identify, please
Post by: mark smyth on December 16, 2008, 07:47:36 PM
Maggi tell your friend the snowdrop needs to be moved out of the sun and wind. The leaves must stay as green as possible and not allowed to dry out
Title: Re: Galanthus to identify, please
Post by: Alan_b on December 22, 2008, 11:29:14 AM
i thought 'Barnes' was in the G.elwesii var.Hiemalis group?

rob

Galanthus reginae olgae is an autumn-flowering snowdrop with some (early) spring-flowering varieties that are classed as a subspecies (ssp venalis).

Galanthus elwesii is a spring flowering (if January/February can be called spring) snowdrop with some varieties that flower earlier (in November and December).  The December-flowering ones are quite easy to find, even sometimes in garden centres, and are almost always with monostictus-type markings on the inner petals.  There are so many of these that they are classified as var. Hiemalis group, although I could not tell you why they are not ssp. Hiemalis by analogy with G. reginae olgae.

Within the var Hiemalis group there are a few named varieites and I would say 'Barnes' is one of those.  I don't think Hagen meant to imply otherwise.     
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