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General Subjects => General Forum => Topic started by: Gerry Webster on January 17, 2009, 09:57:27 PM
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Maggi - is there any facility for adding accents when posting - acute, grave, cedilla, umlaut etc. Some people seem to be able to do this but I haven't been able to discover how.
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Gerry, if there is an easy way to do this, I haven't found it :D
In another thread, long ago, maybe even the "Let me introduce myself" pages, whe did have a try at sorting this out, and various folks gave tips for typing assorted symbols.....using "code" keys etc, most of which did not work for me... so, I "collect" them...... when I see a name with symbols, I copy and paste it into a file that I keep for just this purpose, to enable me to copy and paste them into a text when needed. That, for me, is the easiest way .....clever folks will now come and tell the "proper" way to do it.......! I know that in Word documents it is quite easy to bring up a table of symbols, scientific and for language use, but I can't crack finding that elsewhere :P Sorry not to be more help!
When working in Word... open the INSERT menu, from the top of the page and from the drop down list choose SYMBOL.... you can choose all sorts of languages etc there... type' em into a document and them use to coy and paste here.... :)
some advice here.....
http://www.wikihow.com/Type-Symbols-Using-the-ALT-Key
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http://desktoppub.about.com/library/weekly/naccents.htm (http://desktoppub.about.com/library/weekly/naccents.htm)
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That's a handy one, Mark, I need to print that out, I reckon!
I remember now what I didn't twig before, for a PC, you use the number pad, holding Alt and typing the numbers on the number pad, with the NUM LOCK ON!
Göte....... Chlöe......... see, it works!
Here's a quick copy and paste though....
é Acute
ç Cedilla
â Circumflex
è Grave
ñ Tilde
ü Umlaut/Diaeresis
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http://desktoppub.about.com/library/weekly/naccents.htm (http://desktoppub.about.com/library/weekly/naccents.htm)
Thanks Mark. My God, this even includes details for Macs, though I haven't tried it yet. I've never been within a million miles of 'Word' since I'm completely loyal to AppleWorks. One can do it there (& then paste) but I can never remember how.
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Sorry, Gerry, I am PC bound here! ;D
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Maggi - is there any facility for adding accents when posting - acute, grave, cedilla, umlaut etc. Some people seem to be able to do this but I haven't been able to discover how.
And also French, Dutch, German, Scottish, Kiwi, Aussie, American etc. That would REALLY liven things up. ;D
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with the NUM LOCK ON!
Maggi, that is what we forgot to tell you during the last discussion about this matter :-[ :-[
Here is a link to a Belgian site with the ASCII list as we used it when we wrote letters in
Word Perfect (ages ago, I think. ;D ) before there was Windows.
http://duena.telenet.be/ALT_toetsen_lijst.htm (http://duena.telenet.be/ALT_toetsen_lijst.htm)
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Gerry - Opt E +a and I get ´å on the Mac!
johnw
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If you have a windows OS, and you forget where you stashed the link Mark posted, you can use the character map in accessories.
£££ lookie what I found, Alt+0163=£ ;D
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£££ lookie what I found, Alt+0163=£ ;D
Helen, that is just what I meant with the ASCII table. But when you use only Alt+163 it is ú. ;)
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Oh Maggie
I feel honoured by being used as an example ;D
Another way if you use 'Word' is to write in Word, use 'Insert' 'symbol' and paste the whole text when finished.
This way it is even possible to spell Chloë right :P
One also is helped by the automatic spellchecker and the thesaurus.
Göte
( +Edit by Maggi ... ;D ;D)
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For Mac users here is a summary of how to do it for pasting. After typing opt plus the accent-specific symbol you type the letter you wish to accent. As usual, Macs provide the simpler & more elegant procedure.
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If you have a windows OS, and you forget where you stashed the link Mark posted, you can use the character map in accessories.
Okay....but would someome like to tell me where to find "accessories" in a browser page?
Göte, you will see that I have edited your post ! Forgive me? :-*
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Okay....but would someome like to tell me where to find "accessories" in a browser page?
Character map is in different places on different versions of Windows, on XP it is at:
Start->All programs->Accessories->System tools->Character map
Double click on the character you want, click on "Copy" (or Control C), back to your message and Control V paste.
I recall it was in Accessories in older versions of Windows.
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Thanks, David, yes, I found it.... not exactly handy though, is it? :P
I reckon I'm better off with my cribsheet of saved instances !! It's only a couple of mouse-clicks away, while all this other stuff is twice as far! :-\
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Thanks, David, yes, I found it.... not exactly handy though, is it? :P
I reckon I'm better off with my cribsheet of saved instances !! It's only a couple of mouse-clicks away, while all this other stuff is twice as far! :-\
Maggi, you can go back to the start, programs,accessories, system tools, and right drag the character map to the desktop, it will make a copy
You can either leave it there for whenever you want to use it, or drag it onto your quick launch bar, that's where I have mine.
It doesn't get any handier than that. ;D ;D ;D
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Excellent, Helen.... I have done that. It didn't make a copy to my desktop ( which I interpret as being the screen which shows when i have no windows open/programmmes running ) but I have it now in the launch menu ( the list of options shown by a click on the "Start" button, bottom left of my screen!)
Apologies for my lack of expertise in the doings and terminology of this infernal machine... as you can see, I am no expert... it is great to have help for myself, and the many others struggling, from you folks who have a better grasp of what is what! You see how hard it is for someone who is not au fait with these things to cope with directions... we really do need leading by the hand through every stage... ::) 8)
Many thanks to all who have helped ! :-* 8)
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go back to the start, programs,accessories, system tools, and right drag the character map to the desktop
I used left drag, and that should be in combination with control unless you want to (re)move charmap from the menu.
The start menu reflects the layout of a folder on disc:
C:\Documents and Settings\All Users\Start Menu
so you can move the short cuts in there around.
I don't think Charmap is handy, best is to know the keyboard short cuts, the code numbers or to copy from another document, but charmap can be useful for example it shows you all the available glyphs (characters) in a font.
Some programs allow you to type the hex code for a symbol into your document and then press Alt+X.
For languages like Japanese there are Input Method Editors (IMEs) available from Microsoft, and in my experience not the sort of thing to install unless you really need them.
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As usual, Macs provide the simpler & more elegant procedure.
It occurs to me that I should stop plugging the virtues of Macs otherwise more people might start using them. Then the halfwits who think it clever to devise disabling viruses will turn their attention to us & we will be in the same unfortunate position as PC users.
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For Mac users here is a summary of how to do it for pasting. After typing opt plus the accent-specific symbol you type the letter you wish to accent. As usual, Macs provide the simpler & more elegant procedure.
Gerry - Thanks - Got it. I was doing it as for Windows - ie typing A while holding Opt and e down - and one should really be a Scarlatti player to manage the contortions required for Windows. Very easy on the Mac.
Now the question, nowhere in the chart is there a way to do å but I got 'å by doing it the wrong way. So went back and a simple Opt then a gives you å. Now to figure out how to get ø. Ah ha, ø = Opt + o. I have to wonder why these features are not mentioned anywhere.
Think I have everything I need but GBP and Euros. Found the Canadian dollar, just simply press 0.
johnw
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I am relaxing to Scarlatti... a great favourite and the perfect antidote to the "pooter info" overload I'm suffering from right now! :-[
John, why not do as the Banks do.... for British pounds use GBP, for Canadian dollars use CAD, for Euros EUR, American dollars USD etc.... .... that is easy, huh?
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go back to the start, programs,accessories, system tools, and right drag the character map to the desktop
I used left drag, and that should be in combination with control unless you want to (re)move charmap from the menu.
David, with a right drag you have the option to copy here, or move here once you release the mouse button and no need for using CTRL :)
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Maggi - I'm afraid I have a penchant for the weird little symbols. We still have to do USD$ ands CAD$ when required.
ουσ. ιδ
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I have to wonder why these features are not mentioned anywhere.
Think I have everything I need but GBP and Euros. Found the Canadian dollar, just simply press 0.
johnw
John - I originally got the details from OS9 (Classic) via 'Apple Menu' then 'Keycaps'. Your post prompted me to look in OS10 (Apple Help) where there are equivalent, slightly more complicated, instructions. Here they are:
1. Open the document where you want to type.
2. Choose Apple menu > System Preferences and click International.
3. Click Input Menu, then select the checkbox next to Keyboard Viewer.
4. Choose Show Keyboard Viewer from the input menu on the right side of the menu bar (the one that looks like a flag).
5. Press Option, Shift, or both Option and Shift to see the different accent marks that you can type. The accent mark keys appear with white outlines. Depending on your keyboard, you may not need to press any of the modifier keys to see the accent keys.
6. Press the modifier key you pressed in step 5 (Shift, Option, Option-Shift, or none) and press the key on your keyboard that is in the same place as the accent you see in the Keyboard Viewer. Then release the modifier key and press the key for the character you want to accent.
7. For example, on a U.S. keyboard, to make á appear, press Option and E (the accent key), then press A (the key on which you want that accent to appear).
I dare say keyboards vary, but on mine GBP(£) = shift + 3. Euro = opt + 2.
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David, with a right drag you have the option to copy here, or move here once you release the mouse button and no need for using CTRL
Echoing Maggi above, right drag does nothing on the sub-menus. On the first level right drag offers the (best) option, create a short cut.
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Maggie
you wrote:
Göte, you will see that I have edited your post ! Forgive me?
I will forgive you nearly anything but I cannot se any editing.
I believe that I wrote it so splendidly as it now is ;D ;D ;D
Göte
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I'm going to divert this thread slightly. Just now I heard a BBC Radio1 DJ saying to words that seem very wrong to me. It's regarding texting/SMS
He said "I've just been reading the texts (he said tex-is). This person texted (he said text-tid) to say ..."
I say texts and texted without saying the -ed. What do you say?
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Maggie
you wrote:
Göte, you will see that I have edited your post ! Forgive me?
I will forgive you nearly anything but I cannot see any editing.
I believe that I wrote it as splendidly as it now is ;D ;D ;D
Göte
Excellent! That is what we call "invisible mending" 8) ;D
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Gerry - Thanks alot. Things seem to work here without doing a thing on the very basic iMac flattish keyboard.
Searched Euro symbol +Apple and got this.
http://support.apple.com/kb/TA26547?viewlocale=en_US (http://support.apple.com/kb/TA26547?viewlocale=en_US)
hold opt while holding shift and hit 2 = €
opt + 2 = ™
opt + 3 = £
opt +4 = ¢
johnw
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I've just dragged the 'Character Map' from the start etc. menu to the bar at the top of this page but Firefox doesn't know how to handle it. Works from the start menu and from the desktop.
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Anthony, you need to drag it onto your quick launch bar at the bottom of the screen, there will probably already be a shortcut to the desktop, outlook express, IE and whatever shortcuts you have added yourself.
Just drag it on make sure it stayed, then you can delete the shortcut on the desktop.
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I'm going to divert this thread slightly. Just now I heard a BBC Radio1 DJ saying to words that seem very wrong to me. It's regarding texting/SMS
He said "I've just been reading the texts (he said tex-is). This person texted (he said text-tid) to say ..."
I say texts and texted without saying the -ed. What do you say?
"I say banana, you say bananna, I say tomaato you say tomarto"
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I'm going to divert this thread slightly. Just now I heard a BBC Radio1 DJ saying to words that seem very wrong to me. It's regarding texting/SMS
He said "I've just been reading the texts (he said tex-is). This person texted (he said text-tid) to say ..."
I say texts and texted without saying the -ed. What do you say?
"I say banana, you say bananna, I say tomaato you say tomarto"
"Well, let's call the whole thing off."
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;D
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Mother to son: "did ye enjoy the skatin'?" "Naw! I wished I hadnae goad?" "That's bad English son! Ye should a' said 'I wish tae Goad I hadnae went!'"
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;D ;D
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Computers work in an international environment and this causes us the problems. The keyboard I presently use has å ä ö but not the ß I need when writing German. It can handle ë and ô by using two keys in sequence.
Al PC-s have a function that allows the input of characters using the ASCII code and the numerical keypad. This works in all programs (including Firefox) since it is a low level function.
#1: make sure Num-lock is on.
#2: Press the left Alt-key and keep it down.
#3: Key in the ASCII code on the numerical keypad.
#4: Let the Alt-key up again.
On laptops without numerical keypad this is more complicated but usually possible. Different makes solve it in different ways.
Now we need the ASCII code table. Goggle will find one for you. You want the extended codes i.e. above 127. You can also try for yourself by testing various numbers between 128 and 255.
Ö=153, ö=148 Ç128 Æ=146 ß=225 and so on. If you, as I often do, write on the “wrong” keyboard it becomes a habit to use these codes.
Give it a try, it is not difficult. It will handle the most common accents. If you want to write Japanese you have to have a Japanese font installed ひひ
Göte
PS the "Hihi" looks OK in my browser does it in your?
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You beat me to it Gerry but I decided to desist as obviously the accent thing is important to a lot of people. Me, I just plough on regardless without accent marks and assume the recipients will know what I mean. The spirit is willing but the language (English) and the computer skillls (mine) are weak.
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SUPE LESLEY, BUT THEPE APE PEOPLE WHO WPITE OTHEP LANGUAGES AND TO WHOM THE THE DOTS OVER Ö APE AS IMPOPTANT AS THE EXPA STPOKE IN ‘R’ IS FOP YUO
;D ;D
Göte
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;D ;D ;D ;D
ç'est très drôle...
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Point taken Gote. I am grateful for all my non-English (as a first language) friends who tolerate my abuses of THEIR languages. They're not meant in arrogance.
How about the Greeks who would, I think, in English characters call water NEPO though pronouncing it NERO. I'd better stop right here before I get myself into the read deep stuff (water of course). :)
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I know that it is not meant in arrogance but I could not resist.
Göte
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Mais oui Luc.
Göte
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I know that it is not meant in arrogance but I could not resist.
Göte
I would have been disappointed if you HAD resisted Gote (with apologies for the lack of two little dots. :))
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Just highlight Göte's name in a previous post, copy and paste.
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Or Alt+148
Göte
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Or Alt+148
Göte
Can't get that to work. What exactly do you do?
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Anthony, we had this before somewhere else. You should look that Numlock is on.
edit by M: Yes, we've been through all this... even I understand it know!!! :P ::)
Without Numlock the numbers on the right side don't work.
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Yes we have already said that Num-lock must be on.
Push down the left Alt key and keep it down. Then key in the three figures on the key pad to the right Nothing happens on the screen when you do that. The wanted caracter apperas when you let the Alt-key loose.
Göte
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Yes we have already said that Num-lock must be on.
Push down the left Alt key and keep it down. Then key in the three figures on the key pad to the right Nothing happens on the screen when you do that. The wanted caracter apperas when you let the Alt-key loose.
Göte
Ah, those numbers. I'll never remember 148. ;D
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Anthony, I have good news to you
Outside your area there is this wonderful invention that is still available.
i understand that you live in the electronic age where it has been abolished.
"Courage my lord" you can smuggle it in, provided that you are clever enough.
It is not more difficult to use than the left Alt key once you have become used to it.
It is called paper. You can copy the ASCII table from Google to it.
Preferably to the tune of the smugglers' song in Carmen.
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Göte
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Actually my desk is covered in the stuff, so I'd never find and extra piece. :P
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My screen frame is covered (well nearly) with post-it.
I used to write the codes on the keyboard but those I need now come automatically.
I once had a computer that answered me in a mixture of Swedish, German, Castilian and English.
"Do you want to save this file: Si/No"
Göte
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Actually my desk is covered in the stuff, so I'd never find and extra piece. :P
Slowly the accents are changing to a "Moan, moan, moan----" page. ??? ::)
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Of course it does Luit.
Does not anything that has something to do with computers ;D
Göte