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Bulbs => Bulbs General => Topic started by: ashley on January 25, 2009, 09:47:26 PM
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Well almost Tulipa ;)
Amana edulis
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I have Tulips above ground - 'Hearts Delight' that is always first but never this early and Tulipa neustravae.
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The meeces have been at some of mine in the bulb house. :'(
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Super markings on the
tulips Amana edulis, Ashley.
You have had the odd warmer day, Mark, so that would account for yours showing.... no sign here.....and I think that T. neustruevae is one of the later ones here. How strange -- what do these plants NOT do to confuse us?
Anthony, with your mouse problem, have you not put metal grids on all your bulbs as a protection? I think you do that on your crocus, don't you?
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I live and learn. Didn't realise the varmints ate tulips too. Put chocolate spread in the pacman trap and caught the bugger. Ringo will eat tomorrow. ;D
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Will that be chocolate-centred or chocolate-coated varmint Anthony? Presumably delicious either way.
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Chocolate centred judging by the fact that there was no chocolate left - and guess what, just like buses: you wait ages for one and then two come at once. Ringo will be happy. ;D
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Very surprising : no special theme in the forum about this great and so popular genus ??
Why ?? ???
Well, I'm going to start with Tulipa orithyoides, from central asia, first to flower in the bulb frame; small but very nice, I prefer the smaller species than the taller ones.
(http://i74.servimg.com/u/f74/11/84/35/03/tulipa10.jpg) (http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=454&u=11843503)
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I like it!
My first is out already - a T. humilis cultivar
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Well, I'm going to start with Tulipa orithyoides, from central asia, first to flower in the bulb frame; small but very nice, I prefer the smaller species than the taller ones.
Like this smaller tulips also, delicate plant and superb photo!
Gerd
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Wonderful Fred !!
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I love them too, but in my cold glasshouse only the tips come through the soil.
Fred, have you a source for this fine species?
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A lovely species and picture of it Fred. I'm sure there was a Tulipa thread somewhere a while back. Last year? or the year before? and of course many have turned up in Luit's Weekly Lisse Flower Show thread.
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For sure Onion I know one source, but he's not very well known in this forum, his name is Janis R... ;D :o
A very fine supplier ;)
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I’m growing Tulipa hissarica for the first time and was disappointed that it went over about 2 weeks ago without raising its flowers above ground level (& hard to photograph among the leaves). Is this normal or due to my growing conditions?
No such problems with T. iliensis which is also quite early here, multiplies & sets seed well.
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Ashley,
My T. hissarica (newly planted) opened it's flower just above ground level last Monday - it looked very neat - I'll try and post a picture later.
Nice T.illiensis !
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Lovely plant Fred. Like you I tend to prefer the smaller species.
There is another 2009 thread here (http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=2991.0) but perhaps Maggi will tidy up for us ;)
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There is another 2009 thread but perhaps Maggi will tidy up for us ;)
Do you know, I thought that was the case but I obviously can't see the tulips for the crocus! Sorry... all merged now
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Wonderful tulips, Fred and Ashley!
Ashley, what is in the background of your T. iliensis?
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Thanks Maggi, Luc & Chloe.
In the background are T. turkestanica (waiting for sun to open) & Cyclamen rhodium rhodium just peeping through.
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My T. hissarica should flower in few days, let's see ... looks above ground level ;D
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Wow, Fred and Ashley - great plant!
Here the first shy Tulipa cretica started.
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Does this tulip looks like T. hissarica?
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Super "tulips" start. 8)
Yuri- sorry can't help you to ID.
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Yes Yuri, it look's like !
Where did you find it ?
garden or nature ?
Very nice plante anyway.
Super hans !
It's one of my 2 or 3 favorite Tulips !!!
Mine are still in bud ...Your's look really like the typical wild form in the nature, small and so pretty !!!
Here is one very special specimen in crete, growing on the embankment !
(http://i84.servimg.com/u/f84/11/84/35/03/07_01210.jpg) (http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=456&u=11843503)
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Fred,
I have ordered someday this species from Janis, but it turn mislabeled (probably my fault). In two or three years it appeared there where I can't wait.
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Well, I'm going to start with Tulipa orithyoides, from central asia, first to flower in the bulb frame; small but very nice, I prefer the smaller species than the taller ones.
very nice! i also like the small ones, i saw lots of them when i was in toronto; i havent yet found out if they are hardy here, but i hope so--the 'regular' ones are hardy here
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Tulipa turkestanica AMAN-KUTAN ex JR.
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What a little gem Michael !!
Fred the cretan Tulip is a real stunner !
Here's my little contribution :
Flowering in the garden right now :
1 & 2) Tulipa pulchella violacea
3) Tulipa hissarica - just made it to the surface before opening...
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Tulipa biflora syn. T. polychroma
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Alessandro, here in Aberdeen that pretty tulip just needs another day or two to open in our glasshouse. :D
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Alessandro, here in Aberdeen that pretty tulip just needs another day or two to open in our glasshouse. :D
these are first in blooming, also the past year
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Here I need a week or two that T. biflora will open in the glasshouse.
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mine is planted to the outside
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This tulip is now blooming in my zone 7 Maryland, USA garden in an unprotected cold frame. And it is always among the first tulips to bloom here. It's a favorite here because of its great scent.
How, or is, this tulip related to the one many of us grew years ago under the name Tulipa biflora? That plant had much smaller flowers which were not fragrant (to me anyway) and were more star-shaped.
I've noticed that this tulip under our conditions is apparently very sensitive to summer moisture - until I figured this out, I lost two acquisitions of this one.
The first of the Tulipa humilis forms is also open now.
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How, or is, this tulip related to the one many of us grew years ago under the name Tulipa biflora? That plant had much smaller flowers which were not fragrant (to me anyway) and were more star-shaped.
Beats me, Jim ::) Not too many similarities to the simple eyes of this gardener ???
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Tulipa neustruevae. A small flowered species.
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I am not sure if it is my photo or my cultivation but this is mine does not look as good as yours.
Tulip neustruevea
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Pete, very good pic and nice plant,
never seen it in cultivation ,
Thank's
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this has bloomed today in the green house, a gift from my friend Dominique Geoffroy
Tulipa whittallii
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Looks very nice indeed Rafa - I've got the same - from the same source - coming up in the garden - some more weeks to go before it flowers though !
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The first tulip is open (inside)
Tulipa binutans
Gerd
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Looks like a little Tulipa turkestanica. Is it related with T. turkestanica?
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Looks like a little Tulipa turkestanica. Is it related with T. turkestanica?
Yes, both are in section Biflores (Richard Wilford: Tulips)
Gerd
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Great tulips! Never seen such beautiful species in Turkey.
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I am waiting for some sunshine to open the flowers on this Tulipa polychroma......
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Beautifull clump Maggy !
I'll try to send you some sun, we have a lot today ;D
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Gorgeous tulips!!
I put my thermometer out in the sun on my balcony and it went up to 42º :o :o Will that do?
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You Folks are most kind 8).... your sun does not appear to have arrived here yet, though :'(
Mind you, at 42 degrees both the tulips and I would be fried alive, so perhaps it is as well if we just struggle on with Scottish weather :P
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Thanks to the kindness of several forumists ;), there has been enough sun today to open the Tulipa polychroma flowers.....
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Very impressive Maggi ! :o
And every single flower seems to have a sun hidden inside... 8)
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Definitely worth the wait!
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Wonderfull and brightfull Maggy !
here is my first Tulipa regelii; I'm very happy to get flower but I think it need to be planted deeper as one stem is a bit elongated.
The unique leave is really nice.
(http://i84.servimg.com/u/f84/11/84/35/03/eos5dm11.jpg) (http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=467&u=11843503)
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Thanks, Fred!
I'm not getting your T. regellii pic.... only an advertisement for a game!
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Very strange Maggy, I got'it !
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Very strange Maggy, I got'it !
Hurrah! I have it now! What a beauty it is.
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Maggi and Fred,
Thanks for the pics of two wonderful tulips!
Both go onto my "wants" list!
cheers
fermi
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Maggi &Fred ,
wonderful photos of your tulips ,I can only dream of both, not available here in Australia.
Fermi you better live in hope -as you need to win the Lottery to buy one bulb of
T. regelii .
Otto.
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Superb T. regelli Fred ! :o
Thanks very much for showing.
Not often we see it ... and I guess we know why ::)
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Not often we see it ... and I guess we know why ::)
Strange that it continues to be so rarely seen. Doesn't it set seed or is it hard to please?
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Not often we see it ... and I guess we know why ::)
Strange that it continues to be so rarely seen. Doesn't it set seed or is it hard to please?
Maybe both Ashley - last time I saw it listed was a couple of years ago by Janis at 50 € a piece.... ::)
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I'll try to self pollinate it as I only have one flower this year.
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Nothing so rare as T. regellii, but here is T. turkestanica looking happy... if a lttle tall, in a narrow bed to the south of my kitchen wall....
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Gracefull ;D
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Very nice kitchen wall Maggie.
Other people have herbs near the kitchen ;D ;D
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Wonderfull and brightfull Maggy !
here is my first Tulipa regelii; I'm very happy to get flower but I think it need to be planted deeper as one stem is a bit elongated.
The unique leave is really nice.
(http://i84.servimg.com/u/f84/11/84/35/03/eos5dm11.jpg) (http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=467&u=11843503)
Bulbissime
yours tulipa regelii it regulated the seed? :P
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Very nice kitchen wall Maggie.
Other people have herbs near the kitchen ;D ;D
Yes, I have heard that, Uli ;D
In fact my herbs are in pots, nearer the door ;)
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Not often we see it ... and I guess we know why ::)
Strange that it continues to be so rarely seen. Doesn't it set seed or is it hard to please?
It was listed on the AGS or SRGC seedlist 2 or 3 years ago. I applied for some but it never germinated.
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Alessandro, I hope to get seeds but I still have to wait some weeks to know... :o
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Alessandro, I hope to get seeds but I still have to wait some weeks to know... :o
I hope :P
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Alessandro, I hope to get seeds but I still have to wait some weeks to know... :o
I hope :P
So do we all ;) ;D
Pure elegance Maggi: white tulips with silver shadows 8)
Here kolpakowskiana, about to go over, and sylvestris yet to open.
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amazing tulips
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I don't know what all the fuss is about ;) surely all we need is Tulipa polychroma and a set of hair-crimpers to make Tulipa regelii ;) ;)
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I don't know what all the fuss is about ;) surely all we need is Tulipa polychroma and a set of hair-crimpers to make Tulipa regelii ;) ;)
a set of hair-crimpers, eh? Hmmm..... I'll go look on ebay now ::)
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Tulipa v vedenskyi Girlfriend
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Hi Michael,
V.nice tulipa, I think we are several weeks and a couple of snow blizzards away from our first Janis tulip selections flowering!
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Tulipa agenensis is in bloom now, here are the two subspecies.
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Tulipa agenensis is in bloom now, here are the two subspecies.
Very nice, Oron. I have never seen this species. However, a few months ago a friend sent me a link to a slide show which shows what I take to be this species growing in the high Negev. Here is a link to the site
http://www.guyshachar.com/Hiking_High_Negev_Mt_Mar07_Guy.pps
There are several other presentations available on this site which should be of interest to readers of this forum - spring flowers, autumn flowers and so on.
And this reminds me: I have friends who will be visiting Israel April 2-18. Can any readers recommend good sites for wildflower viewing at that time? It probably should not be anything too strenuous.
Thanks, everyone.
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Thanks Jim
There are two species growing in the higher Negev desert: Tulipa stylosa and T. biflora [misnamed in the past as T. polychroma].
T. stylosa is closely related to T. agenensis.
Regarding your friends, they can send me an email, I'll be glad to help.
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Oron in which way differ these T. biflora to T. polychroma?
I have grow them for years in different pots. But recoignized after three years it was the same species. T. polychroma.
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I don't know what all the fuss is about ;) surely all we need is Tulipa polychroma and a set of hair-crimpers to make Tulipa regelii ;) ;)
Are we still into hair crimping? I thought it was all hair straighteners nowadays. Fortunately I don't need those. :)
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Hi Lesley- I think crimping is due a comeback, if it gets the less fortunate of us a step closer to T.regelii.
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Super tulips from everbody.
Enjoying especial the red brilliant ones... 8)
It will last another 1-2wks until mine open their flowers in the garden.
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The first tulip is open (inside)
Tulipa binutans
Gerd
I am in love with your tulips! Amazing beatifully stunning great
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Oron in which way differ these T. biflora to T. polychroma?
I have grow them for years in different pots. But recoignized after three years it was the same species. T. polychroma.
Uli, that is also a mystery to me, from the little information available it seems that T. polychroma is a taller, robuster plant that grows in W. Iran and Afghanistan, While T. biflora grows from the high mountains of the Sinai Desert [Egypt], through the Negev desert, Jordan, Syria to Turkey.
I'm not sure if the plants that are actually in cultivation are real T. polychroma, probably another two species that need to be checked for chromosomes number.
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Oron in which way differ these T. biflora to T. polychroma?
I have grow them for years in different pots. But recoignized after three years it was the same species. T. polychroma.
I guess it is another way for the bulb companies to sell the same plant twice- give them all different names, or the namesof similar looking species. ::)
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Two more of JR selections.
Tulipa vvedenskyii x AMBERLAND
Tulipa vvedenskyii x BERNADETTE
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It seems to me that Tulipa biflora (as many of us grew it in the past) and Tulipa polychroma (which is relatively new to the trade) are horticulturally distinct. Tulipa biflora as I know it has small and rather uninteresting flowers. It is often compared to Tulipa turkestanica, and the comparison rarely is in favor of T. biflora. Superficially, it looks like a runt version of Tulipa turkestanica. The name Tulipa biflora appears on trade lists early in the twentieth century, and it has generally been among the least expensive tulips.
Tulipa polychroma, to my eyes, is a finer plant than either T. turkestanica and certainly T. biflora. And Tulipa polychroma has a strong, fine scent - something I have not noticed in the other two species mentioned.
If you looked at the Hike in the High Negev slide show, you saw another plant called "two flowered tulip" - I'm assuming that that means Tulipa biflora. This one is much finer than the commercial plant from years ago, and in fact approaches in form what we grow as Tulipa polychroma.
I have no idea what the "facts on the ground" say about these tulips, and perhaps someone from within their range of distribution will offer some suggestions.
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Well either there are some 'runt' forms of turkestnica out there too or I've had biflora instead of it. they were among the bulbs that i didn't bother digging up to bring here.
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Tulipa humilis var. alba caerulea (? full & correct name for a terrific little tulip.)
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One of my favourite Tulip !
Mine are also flowering now with nice perfume :)
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The man from the Met Office- he say "Yes"!
Tulipa turkestanica (?), this should be the 'Dzhizak' form from Janis, on the first sunny day in a week.
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Hi there,
Simon has posted the first tulips to flower here in our 'Tulip Bunker', in keeping with interest from other threads I have included a picture of the 'Tulip Bunker'. Steel reinforced concrete sides and a fine metal mesh between the natural ground level and the bed substrate to keep out voles, moles, mice etc! The top can be covered by a removable wooden / PVC sheet coated frame which keeps the rain and snow off.
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Verry impressive Hristo !
Seems like this construction can stand even heavy bombardments... ;D ;D
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LOL, Yes Luc, I suspect in the event of war we will be fighting with the tulips for cover!
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Oron in which way differ these T. biflora to T. polychroma?
I have grow them for years in different pots. But recoignized after three years it was the same species. T. polychroma.
I guess it is another way for the bulb companies to sell the same plant twice- give them all different names, or the namesof similar looking species. ::)
Simon, I cant say I disagree about what you have said, but I think that many species have been given names in early days, where botanists didn't have the whole picture of their distribution.
Many species where given a few names by different botanists to create confusion and debates for many years to come....
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Very true Oron. I was just looking at The Pacific Bulb Society site to check a Scilla was correct, and I see there has been a move to split Scilla into smaller more manageable genera. Shame there is no money in doing this for so many other genera, or even as you say doing chromosomal studies on some of the horticulturally more confusing ones.
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Simon,
very attractive this form with nice color of anthers.
Does it usual show only single flowers (biflora type)?
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Armin
There are other flowers in between the leaves of both bulbs- whether they will be on the same stalk I don't yet know. I've had it 2 years, but lat year was a mess voles had been in the beds and there were bulbs coming up everywhere. It is from Janis, so I am sure he will know more.
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Armin- the Tulipa turkestanica looks like it will have more than one flower per stalk- one bulb has the main flower with some aborted flowers further back. The larger bulb has 4 flowers all coming from the stalk below the main flower.
Flowering today Tulipa kaufmanniana 'Sunrise' from Janis.
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Very nice plants, I love your ground !
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Thanks- it is designed as a mine field for voles- we found that ours don't like digging in stony soil.
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Simon
do you now the area where Janis find the T. kaufmanniana 'Sunrise'?
I grew T. kaufmanniana 'Waterlily' a introduction of van Tunbergen. The colour of the flower is a pale yellow.
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Simon
do you now the area where Janis find the T. kaufmanniana 'Sunrise'?
I grew T. kaufmanniana 'Waterlily' a introduction of van Tunbergen. The colour of the flower is a pale yellow.
Sorry Uli I don't- It says in the catalogue it was selected from wild bulbs and raised by Zinaida Botschantzeva.
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Simon
do you now the area where Janis find the T. kaufmanniana 'Sunrise'?
I grew T. kaufmanniana 'Waterlily' a introduction of van Tunbergen. The colour of the flower is a pale yellow.
I suppose it is selected in Uzbekistan, as Z.P. Botschantzeva lived there and thouroughly studied and investigated the local flora. She introduced in culture a great number of very special wild-selected clones of tulips and bred many many exclusive interspecific hybrids, but unfortunately after the collapse of USSR only few survived to days.
Simon,
take a special care about your t. kaufmanniana 'Sunrise'; it is a valuable wild slected clone and nowdays became very rare and pereserved only by few growers in Latvia nad Lithuania. It is lost even in Uzbekistan and Russia.
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Thank you for thisinformation Zhirair. Tulips are usually very happy here in Bulgaria and I hope this one will be too.
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You're welcome Simon!
I forgot to mention that tulipa 'Sunrise' were introduced in culture in 1952. It has a tendency to produce long stolones, so you should take this nuance in account when harvesting.
Tulips are very happy in our moderate climate as well. They usually perform maximum sizes and vigour, especially when taken a proper care.
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Again Zhirair thanks. I hadn't realised the selection was that old - it seems to have stood up the test of time.
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I hadn't realised the selection was that old - it seems to have stood up the test of time.
Watch it, Junior..... you could be treading dangerously here........
M.Y. vintage 1953 :o
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1953 what an excellent year for Global Forum Goddesses ;)
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1953 what an excellent year for Global Forum Goddesses ;)
Better, Simon, much better! ;)
Speaking of the historical ...... there are some super posts somewhere about the very old tulip types ....have you seen that or should I go looking for the link?
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Thanks for the information about the T. kaufmanniana 'Sunrise'.
Zhirair do you know a internet-page with information about the introduction of Z.P. Botschantzeva ?
I often see this name in old threads about tulips in this forum.
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1953 what an excellent year for Global Forum Goddesses ;)
Better, Simon, much better! ;)
Speaking of the historical ...... there are some super posts somewhere about the very old tulip types ....have you seen that or should I go looking for the link?
Maggi, I would like to see those, too. I'm growing some old tulips now and am always interested in what others have to say about them.
And speaking of dates and tulips, one of the old bulb houses used to issue a catalog with all or virtually all the tulips dated. That made it easy to pick out tulips introduced in one's birth year. For instance, I was born in 1943 (no comments, Simon) and the tulip 'West Point' was introduced (or is it raised?) that year (although I've often wondered, given what was going on in the Netherlands that year, introduced to whom? Maybe boiled and served up as a meal to our starving, war-ravaged friends in the Netherlands?).
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Maggy, 1953 is a very good vintage for SAUTERNES ;D ;D
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Maggy, 1953 is a very good vintage for SAUTERNES ;D ;D
Ah, Fred, I can tell you are a connoisseur ! :)
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1953 what an excellent year for Global Forum Goddesses ;)
Better, Simon, much better! ;)
Speaking of the historical ...... there are some super posts somewhere about the very old tulip types ....have you seen that or should I go looking for the link?
Maggi, I would like to see those, too. I'm growing some old tulips now and am always interested in what others have to say about them.
And speaking of dates and tulips, one of the old bulb houses used to issue a catalog with all or virtually all the tulips dated. That made it easy to pick out tulips introduced in one's birth year. For instance, I was born in 1943 (no comments, Simon) and the tulip 'West Point' was introduced (or is it raised?) that year (although I've often wondered, given what was going on in the Netherlands that year, introduced to whom? Maybe boiled and served up as a meal to our starving, war-ravaged friends in the Netherlands?).
Do you know....... I cannot find the ones I thought were there...... I'll keep looking. :-[ :-\
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Old tulips are shown in the threads
Connoisseur collection
Hortus Bulborum - treasury of historic Bulbs
Black Tulips
Onion, unfortunately there isn't any internet page related to Z.P. Botschantzeva's introduction. It is even very difficult to find her book, which are all out of print nowadays.
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Just looking over the papers at the office I found a 17-year old picture (photographed in 1992) of me with blooming tulips in my garden (for the local newpaper). I decided to show you and you can make an impression how tulips perform in my garden, showing maximum vigour. I don't know why, but many tulips of humble statuture all of sudden become giants in my garden. It surprises all my foreign visitors. For comparison my height is 175 cm.
In front - bright red DHT 'Ad Red'
Behind 'Ad Rem' - orange DHT 'Vivex'
next to it - pink/white FR 'Fancy Frills'
in front of me - SLG Darwin plum-purple 'Demeter', which is now included in Triumpg group
behind me - Ginat Lefeber greigii interspesific hybrid 'Blushing Beauty' (rose with pale yellow edge), which gets up to 140 cm after the 4-th day of blooming.
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What a display! 8)
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Fabulous array of fine tulips, Zhirair.
Thanks you for the notes about the Historical tulips, also 8) :-*
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Zhirair, you haven't aged at all, I think I should start growing some tulips ;D
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Amazing 140cm! Wow :o
It looks you stand in the middle of a tulip boondocks ;) :D
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I don't know why, but many tulips of humble statuture all of sudden become giants in my garden. It surprises all my foreign visitors. For comparison my height is 175 cm...interspesific hybrid 'Blushing Beauty' (rose with pale yellow edge), which gets up to 140 cm after the 4-th day of blooming.
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Zhirair, that is amazing and beautiful!
In old catalogs I've seen tulips described with heights higher than anything I ever see in my garden. But I don't think I've ever seen any described as taller than about 90 cm. - and that was probably for tulips forced in greenhouses rather than tulips in the open garden.
'Blushing Beauty' in my garden is much shorter.
You live in a tulip paradise!
What are weather conditions like during the weeks leading up to tulip bloom time?
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I think Zhirair is fooling us all and is kneeling down on the picture...
;) ;D ;D
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Two from Janis' tulips just starting and holding well despite the battering they've been getting from wind, rain and even some hail :
1) Tulipa dubia beldersai - love the leaves !
2 & 3) Tulipa Vvedenskyi x berkariense "Morning star"
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What beauties Luc 8)
Here T. praestans Van Tubingen's Variety, its pure red tepals set off by the black filaments & violet anthers. The pubescent leaves are also edged with a nice dark red line.
T. sylvestris
T. humilis
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Last autumn Zhirair asked me if I ever heard about a tulip of the
Greigii Group with enormous bulbs, about 20 cm Ø
This week I saw it flowering at Keukenhof, Lisse.
Here some pictures.
Tulipa Greigii Group Giant Orange Sunset = Sunrise
Edit:
I'll check about the right name,
which is probably Giant Orange Sunrise (wrong label ??) L.
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A most handsome tulip. Great leaves as well as a fine flower.
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Great pictures of spring...
Luc,
the leaves of T. dubia is realy interesting and sets an contrast as well as "Morning star". Super!
Ashley,
first, Allium triquetrum leaves suffered very much from the -18°C deep frosts but survived! Some new green is appearing!
Second, all 3 kind of tulips are favours of mine. Very nice. It will last certainly 1-2wks until they will be in flower here.
Luit,
unbelieveable 20 cm bulb Ø. :o They are "Dickerchen" ;) ;D
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Luc,
When the thing relates power and sizes of tulipa 'Temple of Beauty' and its sports, including 'Blushing Beauty', there is nothing to be surprised. It's an phenomenal tulip bred by a phenomenal breeder D.W. Lefeber!!! It was bred a long time ago, considered the epitome of tulip breeding and still is considered the most powerful tulip in the world and no other tulip can compete with it by sizes and even can't be put closer to it to comepare. This achievement still haven't beaten by any breeder. This is the tulip that arose my passion for collecting these wonderful friends. Obtain some bulbs of it and grow and you will make sure.
Jim,
The height of tulips mentioned in the catalogues are always lower. At list most of the tulips grow 25 -30 cm higher, than the height mentioned in catalogues. One of the most important things to get maximum performance is annual lifting.
'Temple of Beauty' and its sports minimum get 90-100 cm. All my colleagues who grow it recorder the height minimum 90 cm. In drier climates it is slightly shorter, but again gets the minimal height.
Our climate is very favourable for tulips: moderate and with often rains. This is another factor of success.
Luit,
Thanks a lot for the picture of greigii lefeber tulip 'Giant Orange Sunset'. It indeed has hugest bulbs among tulips equaling is sizes with amature fritillaria imperialis bulbs. It is now sprouted and show the leaves in my garden and its stems are very thick (agian reminding fr. imperialis). I can't wait to see how large its flowers are. I hope that it'll be taller in my garden. There is much harmony when large flowers are held in tall stems.
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Good looking and well grown T. praestans Ashley - they resemble red stars when they're open !
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Luit,
Yes, the name can cause some confusions. It was called 'Giant Orange Sunset' before regestration, but was registered under the name 'Giant Orange Sunrise' to avoid misleadings, as there is vvedensky tulip already registered under the name 'Orange Sunset'.
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Does annual lifting mean, digging up the tulip bulbs after their leaves are gone, and putting them to earth again in autumn?
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Luit,
Yes, the name can cause some confusions. It was called 'Giant Orange Sunset' before regestration, but was registered under the name 'Giant Orange Sunrise' to avoid misleadings, as there is vvedensky tulip already registered under the name 'Orange Sunset'.
It is as you say Zhirair. The name is since half a year: Giant Orange Sunrise.
The exhibitor where I saw it, might not have known this when planting the bulbs.
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Does annual lifting mean, digging up the tulip bulbs after their leaves are gone, and putting them to earth again in autumn?
That's exactly what it means Arda !
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Does annual lifting mean, digging up the tulip bulbs after their leaves are gone, and putting them to earth again in autumn?
Perhaps some of our experienced tulip growers would be kind enough to give some advice as to the best conditions for the amateur grower to store tulips after lifting..... how long to let leaves die back before lifting, temperatures best for storing dry bulbs, etc???? :)
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Luit,
I have few pictures of this tulip, photographed by a visitor, from the last year's Keukenhof bulb display. The name appers as 'Giant Orange Sunset', as I suppose it had been not registered yet at that time. But as to this year - it is likely that the exhibitor is not familliar that is was registered under the other name.
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Arda,
Tulips can be left in ground without lifting for 1 or 2(3) years (modern varieties) and for up to 15(20) years old varieties. But for the best performance it is recommended to lift them annually or at least every other thear as each bulb multiplies and there is fewer energy for a plant to be at its best. Old varieties (introduced mainly before 1950), which were mostly bred for garden decorations(not for commercial growing), can grow without lifting for decades, but in this case they usually develop somewhat smaller sizes, than expected.
Tulips should be harvested when their leaves turn yellow (one should leave at least two leaves when cutting (it is very important for the sizes of new replacement bulb)). During summer the bulbs are better to store at the temperature 25 -30 C (it stimulates propogation rate, doubleness, amount of fringe, etc). In autumn before planting the bulbs already should be be stored under lower temperatures (from 10 to 15). Planting season is mid October to late Novermer.
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Thanks for information Sir,
But I didn't understand what you mean in here
one should leave at least two leaves when cutting
you meant size?
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one should leave at least two leaves when cutting
I believe this refers to leaving at least two leaves on the bulb in the ground if cutting the flower from the bulb. ( that is, for a cut-flower in a vase) The two leaves are needed for the bulb to be able to build its strength for the next year.
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ah thanks! I got it now. I won't cut leaves because I want maximum performance from my bulbs:)
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Arda, maybe a few additions to the above.
When digging the bulbs, it is important that the skin of the bulbs starts to get brownish.
The exact time is a question of experience which you achieve by trying.
Bulbs which are not ripened off are more susceptible to illness.
For the most tulips it is better to take the flowers off before the petals fall off.
The pollen may be a cause for so called Tulip Fire.
It is no problem to cut flowers for a vase, but a cutted stem may have no more than one leaf.
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Zhirair, the exhibitor is a export nursery in my village, which is 80 km. from the grower.
It takes always some time until a name change comes from the grower to the exporter.
The grower is the nursery which had to change the name.
When they deliver the bulbs this summer to the exporter they will do it (hopefully) with the right name.
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Here are two pictures of a Darwin Hybr. tulip I saw last week and already showed
it in another thread yesterday.
The flowers look almost artificial, so maybe this is a good place to show them here too.
Tulipa Darwin Hybr. Group Lalibela 1
Tulipa Darwin Hybr. Group Lalibela 2
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Thank you Luit van Delft for additional information which will be very helpful :)
These hybrids are sterile right? They can only be breeded with bulbs? ( I know I am asking to many questions thanks for your patience already )
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Luit,
Thanks a lot for the photos of DHT 'Lalibela'. This new tulip is familiar to me, but I couldn't find a good photo to make a better impression about it. Eh, I wish I could have an opportunity to walk in the Keukenhof and enjoy and study the new introductions presented there. It looks as a magical place. Please, when you be there again, I'd like you to keep an eye on Japanese DHT tulips as 'Hakuun', 'Hatsuzakura' and Momorotau', which were bred during 70s, but registered in Holland just recently. They all are highly decorative, special and have quite good industrial qualities. It would be interesting to see their display in Keukenhof.
Arda,
You're always welcome to ask questions. Feel free about that.
Relating your last question; tulip hybrids are mainly fertile and actively used in different breeding programs to obtain new varieties. There are some triploid cultivars with number of chromosomes 2n=36, which are sterile and don't set seeds. But specialists apply different artificial methods to make them produce seeds. This tulips are very valuable as they, comparing to regular diploid tulips (2n=24), have much vigour, larger sizes, thicker petals, longer vase life and blooming durability.
And a very important nuance, on which I would like to take your attention.
Most of the Dutch bulbs are applied with growth retardants for commercial purposes (to preserve their commercial appearance for trade in late autumn). These bulbs sprout later and can be kept in shop shells longer (until late December). In spring they also sprout 10-15 later than the regular bulbs. But this on its turn has a serious side effect. The bulbs are at their best in the first year of blooming, but on further years their display is considerably weaker. After the first year of blooming the bulbs (even when taken of greatest care) usually split into several smaller bulbs and you need 1 or 2 additional years to grow them to a bargain size. After that everything goes O.K. People who don't know about this factor usually think that they did something wrong, when during further years their tulips show less vigour.
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So according to what I understand, these artificial hybrids are forced to have bigger and stronger flowers, which causes their bulbs to weaken therefore getting lesser performance than the year before.
Thank you so much Zhirair for this information, but another question remains.
While collecting tulips, are you choosing non-artifical species or collecting all varieties?
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Arda,
No. I say that bulbs of Dutch grown tulips are often applied with growth retardants for commercial purposes. Growth retardants are special liquids, which slow down tulip growth, so the bulbs preserve their commercial appearance for longer period and can be kept in shelves of garden centers until the end of fall. Tulip bulbs are mostly weakened as a result of application with growth retardants.
Relating your question about my tulip growing;
I prefer hybrids to species as hybrids are very showy comparing to species. Though I like species too, especially tulipa clusiana and its cultivars. But they look too humble for me to get carried away. I am especially excited by large sizes - tall stems and large flowers of classic shape. According to this principle I choose varieties for my collection. I especially prefer growing Darwin Hybrids, Single Lates, Lily-flowered, Viridiflora and tall growing Greigii tulips (only D.W. Lefeber introductions).
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ahh ok now I got it. thank you so much for explaining.
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my first tulips in flower this year...
Tulipa biflora
T. kaufmannia Ancilla
T. kaufmannia Ancilla -close-
T. kaufmannia Corona
T. kaufmannia hybrid
T. kaufmannia hybrid
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Here is again a picture of T. Giant Orange Sunrise, after opening:
Tulipa Greigii Group Giant Orange Sunrise
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Hi Armin,
Like this smaller tulips very much, especially biflora!
Gerd
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Luit,
Thanks a lot for the photos of DHT 'Lalibela'. This new tulip is familiar to me, but I couldn't find a good photo to make a better impression about it. Eh, I wish I could have an opportunity to walk in the Keukenhof and enjoy and study the new introductions presented there. It looks as a magical place. Please, when you be there again, I'd like you to keep an eye on Japanese DHT tulips as 'Hakuun', 'Hatsuzakura' and Momorotau', which were bred during 70s, but registered in Holland just recently. They all are highly decorative, special and have quite good industrial qualities. It would be interesting to see their display in Keukenhof.
At your service Zhirair, here is the first one:
Tulipa Darwin Hybr. Group Hatsuzakura 1
Tulipa Darwin Hybr. Group Hatsuzakura 2
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my first tulips in flower this year...
Very nice start of the season Armin !
Your T. biflora looks smashing !
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Dear Luit,
Many thanks for the pictures! You are of a greatist help and use.
Actually it is easier to make a better and clearer idea about a tulip, when it is photographed in stage of opened flowers. I can only charge the beauty of a cultivar in this stage. As I see 'Giant Orange Sunset' has greigii-shaped flowers, unlike some, which have intermediate shape with kaufmanniana etc. It is very disirable.
DHT 'Hatsuzakura' is wonderful! All those Japanese DHT hybrids, which I mentioned, were bred on the basis of Fosteriana 'Purissima' as a father parent.
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Some tulips in my garden that are flowering now
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Forgot this one:
Tulipa humilis 'Alba Caerulea Oculata' or whatever it's called nowadays
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Dear Luit,
DHT 'Hatsuzakura' is wonderful! All those Japanese DHT hybrids, which I mentioned, were bred on the basis of Fosteriana 'Purissima' as a father parent.
That explains probably the small mutations in some flowers.
Of Purissima exist several sports.
Here is another picture of T. Hatsuzakura. I doubt if it is such a good cross as mentioned.
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Wim,
your T. humilis var. pulchella "albocaerulea" is lovely.
I've lost mine :'(
Gerd,
thanks. Here the close relative to T. biflora
Tulipa turkestanica opened its buds.
Today we have 20°C and sunshine 8) :D
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Hi Armin,
T. turkestanica is also one of my favoured smaller tulips.
Nevertheles I am disappointed with your pics. Where are the blue carpenter bees?
;D
Gerd
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Very impressive clump of T. Turkestanica Gerd !! :o :o Wit or without carpenter bees... ;D ;D
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Very impressive clump of T. Turkestanica Gerd !! :o :o
Did you have one to many after Flander's Tour, Luc?? ;D ;D ;D
But I agree about the impressive clump of T. turkestanica.
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I did have one Luit ... preparing for more... ;)
Stijn Devolder lives just 5 minutes away from here and I'm preparing for a visit to his supporters' pub... ;D ;)
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Very impressive clump of T. Turkestanica Gerd !! :o :o
Did you have one to many after Flander's Tour, Luc?? ;D ;D ;D
But I agree about the impressive clump of T. turkestanica.
MORE cycling I have not been able to follow on TV :'( >:( :(
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Gerd,
sorry, I can't offer you "carpender bees" on tulips today :(
Maybe flies are ok to make you happy ? ::)
I was lucky to catch images of a "Großer Wollschweber" Bombylius major sucking nectar on Primula vulgaris and Muscari botryoides.
The last picture shows the long proboscis.
Luc, Luit,
everday a bottle of wine makes you feel fine ;D
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Hi Armin,
Thank you, now I'm satisfied. Your Bombylius mayor is a fine alternative for the lacking carpenter bee. ;D
Gerd
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Luit,
Relating your last picture of DHT 'Hatsuzakura' - it is not a mutation, it is rather a virus decease called Tulip Rust Tic. Plants infected with this virus show short white stripes at the edges of petals.
'Pusrissima' is one of my unfavourite Fosteriana tulips. I don't like its intermediate shape of flowers. It is natural, as this tulip is a cross of tulipa fosteriana (mother plant) with a Single Early tulip. Such tulips as 'Madame Lefeber'. 'Grand Prix' etc. with true fosteriana type of flowers are very appreciated by me.
Among new introductions I found very interesting Single Late tulip 'Moonlight Mist' with a new very elongated shape never seen among older introductions. It seems to be an interspecific hybrid with a wild tulip. It seems to be very new as I couldn't find any informationabout it in KAVB. Anyway, it highly attracted my attention .
I attache pics of DHT 'Hatsuzakura' in Japanese field and 'Monlight Mist'.
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Zhirair it is possible that it is some virus, but the other possibility
is maybe more appropriate and it is so called “dry bulb mite”
(Aceria tulipae )
Tulips with this disease are more susceptible to virus, so your
thinking is not so strange.
Here is the next tulip you asked for:
Tulipa Darwin Hybr. Group Momotaro
On the last picture I show another one with the same signs
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Dear Luit,
Again, thanks a lot for wonderful pictures. I do like DHT 'Momotaro'. It somewhat resembles 'Hatsuzakura' having more solid colour.
Relating the decease;
I just judge according to the instructions in literature. Actually this decease hasn't occur among my tulips yet. The way to identify virused deceases for me is leaf symptoms. I carefully observe the leaves. If they look not healthy, so the possibility is high that the decease have virus origin. Anyway, I place all suspicious plants with an unknown symptoms for me to a quarantine area for further studies.
Dear Luit, what I wanted to ask you. If you come across to an exhibitor, who displays 'Temple of Beauty' and its sports, I would kindly ask you to clarify the difference bitween 'Blushing Beauty' and 'Blushing Lady'. I have been growing both of them for many years, but still cannot find out the difference between them. The other similar-coloured variety is 'Long Lady', but here I can see the difference. 'Long Lady' blooms paler and later on becomes darker comparing to 'Blushing Beauty'.
I grow 'Blushing Beauty' from 80s, but 'Blushing Lady' I obtained in late 90s from 2 different origins USA and Moscow. I even stared to think that my 'Blushing Lady' isn't true to name.
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Some Tulips doing well in the garden :
Three from Janis' stable first :
1) Tulipa dubia beldersai - fully open in the sunshine but somewhat battered by the wind
2) Tulipa Vvedenskyi x mogoltovica 'Girlfriend'
3) Tulipa Vvedenskyi x berkariense 'Morning star'
4 and 5) Tulipa humilis albacaerulea oculata (hope I have that one right ::))
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Luc,
what a pleasure!
"Girlfriend" has beautiful leaves :o and you got a nice clump of white T.humilis! 8)
Is your T. humilis var. pulchella "albocaerulea" reliable flowering and durable?
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Thanks Armin !
I'm quite happy with the T. humilis.... - it's flowering ok and multiplying nicely ! :)
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Well done Luc, some fine examples of tulips there- here's another from Janis- Tulipa x vvedenskyi 'Ranger' and a sideview of T. x vvedenskyi 'Girlfriend'- I am hoping mine will make a clump as good as yours one day soon!
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Fine tulips Luc and Simon. By comparison my vvedenskyi under glass are very out of character so must be liberated to the garden next year.
T. humilis albacaerulea oculata also dwindled dramatically for me after the first year but are gradually building up again.
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Well done Luc, some fine examples of tulips there- here's another from Janis- Tulipa x vvedenskyi 'Ranger' and a sideview of T. x vvedenskyi 'Girlfriend'- I am hoping mine will make a clump as good as yours one day soon!
I'm very happy with Janis' vvedenskyi hybrids Simon - they're doing quite well : this little clump was 3 flowers last year - 5 this year :D
Watch it in the coming week - it will change colour dramatically going to pinkish/orange ... :o
Ashley,
I got my T. humilis etc... from M.B. and they flowered rather shyly for me last year - I got them out of the ground and they spent their summer in a paper bag in my potting shed... they seem to have liked that treatment. ;D
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I'd like to ask a question about tulips.
My tulips(Queen of the Night and Shirley) are about to bloom, but I don't know why they are too short while other tulips have more and longer leaves and still don't have flower bud. I planted bulbs at October, but there is a week between all kinds.
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Tulipa clusiana 'Lady Jane'.
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Arda,
'Shirley' is shorter than 'Queen of Night' and blooms earlier. 'Shiley' usually gets up to 60 cm high, and 'Queen of Night' normally is 70-75 cm and even more. Tulips don't get their maximum heights when the wheather is too hot and there are not enough rains.
As to the others which don't show their buds;
I suppose they are newly obtained Dutch tulips. In my previous posts I already mentioned that most of the Dutch bulbs are applied with different chemicals, which slow down the growth and such bulbs bloom around 10 dys later than regular ones and always tend to split into several smaller bulbs not providing a satisfactory performance the following year .
Armin,
Tulipa vvvendenskyi x 'Girlfriend' is, indeed, beautiful variety. I have been grown it for over 4 years and enjoy it. It's only serious shortcoming is that it doesn't last long. Flowers loose their decorativeness in counted days even in our wet climate.
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Thanks for the information, but rains were good and it is not that hot yet here.
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As to the others which don't show their buds;
I suppose they are newly obtained Dutch tulips. In my previous posts I already mentioned that most of the Dutch bulbs are applied with different chemicals, which slow down the growth and such bulbs bloom around 10 dys later than regular ones and always tend to split into several smaller bulbs not providing a satisfactory performance the following year .
I have never heard about that. It's possible that the temperature in the export hall differs
from the best temperature where bulbs should be stored.
Applying chemicals would raise the costs unnecessary!
But if you buy pre-packed bulbs it is likely you don't get the best quality.
To get a big order of pre-packed bulbs the export trader has to go down with his price,
so it is obvious that he cannot pay the highest price for the best quality.
The competition is enormous in this trade!
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Today 'Roi Cramoisie', an early single tulip from 1860 opened its flowers.
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Tulipa tarda in flower here now
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Here is my favorite botanical tulip - T. neustruvae - short, good colour and persistent - (sorry Luit, - this seems to be the same type as you showed and for which I asked you, these plants came up much later).
The other one is Tulipa aucheriana.
Gerd
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Love the neustruvae Gerd ! Very nice ! :D
Here's some in my garden today :
1/2/3 : Tulipa greigii 'Sunset' - from Janis - I love it - hardly 7 cm stem !
4 and 5 : Tulipa orphanidea - from a generous forum member ! Where are you Dominque ? Have'nt heard from you for a while ? ;)
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Tulipa clusiana 'Lady Jane'.
I love the delicate rose blush on the outside of the petals of Tulipa clusiana 'Lady Jane'. Viewed from above the shape has a starlike quality as you gaze into the centre. I had a round tulip bed designed to be viewed this way and and loved looking down in to it from the window above but I never managed to find the tulip again - it was a Kaufmannia tulip which looked similar to this one except for the leaves. :'( I was sad to lose it
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Super images from everybody. 8) 8)
Gerd,
T.aucheriana is a cute thing. 8)
Your T. neustruevae looks like T. tarda to me, nicely.
Sent you PM.
Luc,
your T. orphanidea is pretty. I'm waiting for "Flava" to open soon...
Below my tulips in flower now...
T. eichleri - one of my red favourites
T. fosteriana "Purissima" and "Sweet Heart"
T. humilis "Eastern Star" - a little star in may garden
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Today 'Roi Cramoisie', an early single tulip from 1860 opened its flowers.
Thomas,
a rarely seen old cultivar. How tall is it and do you have a source?
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more tulips...
T. praestan Unikum - nice striped leaves; this year a bit smaller and suffered a bit from frost.
T. sylvestris - after shy flowering after planting 2005 - now flowering better and better.
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Gerd,
T.aucheriana is a cute thing. 8)
Your T. neustruevae looks like T. tarda to me, nicely.
Sent you PM.
Armin, you are right - Luit told me the same!
Your 'flowering' Tulipa syvestris are extraordinary!
Gerd
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More tulips in the new Tulip bed- some sorting needed as they were obviously mixed up by the voles.
Tulipa fosteriana 'Red Lighthouse'?
Tulipa x vvedenskyi 'Form'?
Tulipa xvvedenskyi ?
Tulips x vvedenskyi 'Swing'?
Thanks Janis - any idea which form it is?
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Today 'Roi Cramoisie', an early single tulip from 1860 opened its flowers.
Thomas,
a rarely seen old cultivar. How tall is it and do you have a source?
Ruby,
it is app. 25 cm tall, growing in the same pot for several years without lifting and feeding. Admittedly, it would deserve better treatment. I received it with other tulip bulbs from Hortus Bulborum in 2002. It was possible to order a mix of ten cultivars, but was a surprise, which ones one would get. I never ordered again, so I do not know, how they manage orders nowadays.
Your T. sylvestris look fabulous. For 15 years they are spreading and increasing in my garden, but never produced a flower ...
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Here comes another gem I received from Hortus Bulborum: 'Cerise gris de lin', an early single from 1860.
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More tulips in the new Tulip bed- some sorting needed as they were obviously mixed up by the voles.
Tulipa fosteriana 'Red Lighthouse'?
Tulipa x vvedenskyi 'Sunset'?
Tulipa xvvedenskyi ?
Tulips x vvedenskyi 'Swing'?
It isn't Sunset - Sunset is yellow greigii
Janis
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Some Tulips are blooming with me now - mostly dwarfs from T. bifloriformis/turkestanica group - haven't time to sort them out.
Today first flower of T. regelii opened. Almost no one seed from excellent seed crop of 2007 germinated in 2008 and none in 2009, from v4very moderate crop of 2008 almost all seeds germinate.
This wild T. praestans bulb was originally collected in 1982 and it is first time during 26 years with 2 flowers on stem and no one offset during those years. By longevity it is surpassed only by one original T. fosteriana bulbs, collected in 1979 and no one offset, too.
There some time ago was my Tulipa berkariense Morning Star pictured on forum - it isn't Morning Star. I never offered it for export trade. Here the true picture of this beauty.
Janis
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Great tulips Janis and thanks for your help.
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Janis,
That praestans is a stunner. 26 years and still not an offset!! Amazing.
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Janis - the wild T. praestans is superb. What a pity it does not increase.
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Few more tulips from today (of course in greenhouse)
Tulipa humilis white form collected last spring in Iran (WHIR-110) without flowers. Nice surprise, I think I read somewhere that white forms not more found in wild.
Another - Tulipa fosteriana from Agalik about which I wrote in previous entry, possibly wild hybrid with greigii or mutation with slightly purple shaded leaves. It never gave any offset and is growing with me 30th year.
Janis
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A wild Tulip as seen in the Peloponnese- any ideas as to its id?
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Simon,
I'm not sure - but it looks like a form of T. orphanidea to me.
Any other suggestions?
Thomas,
thanks for the explanations. Hortus Bulborum is a place I still want to visit.
T. sylvestris is shy in flowering if not appropriate place. I've placed mine in a south sided rose bed in the sunniest place available. I don't lift them, don't disturb and feed them a commercial organic fertilizer for roses (Rosendünger) and give an extra portion of lime (Dolomitkalk). Please call me Armin ;)
Gerd,
thank you. I'm happy with my T. sylvestris :D
Janis,
beautiful wild Tulips you show us. I like the T. berkariense "Morning Star".
Is T. berkariense hardy enough for outside?
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Easter sunday we got 27°C warm ::)
Can't remember such temperatures early in April ???
A pity that many bulb flowers fade over quickly :'(
But some just waited for the sun!
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For Simon
Picture of Tulipa Red Lighthouse - it is fostreriana hybrid raised by me
and another clone of T. berkariense - Little Ilze
About berkariense - it is growable outside but there is one problem - it makes very long (up to 37 cm) side growing stolones. So now I'm growing it only in pots or box. Both clones (Little Ilze and Morning Star) were collected Kara-Tau mountains, Ber-kara gorge in 1984 or a pair years before. In nature it grows in shaded spots, mostly in shrubs, makes small round bulbs but blooms even bulbs 10 mm in diameter. Never had larger than 15 mm in diameter.
Janis
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Few other pictures for Simon
Janis
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Thanks Armin, Tulipa orphanidea sounds good to me. We hope to get seed one day if the timing is right.
Thanks Janis, your pictures here are a geat reference source for when my other mixed up tulips flower.
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Simon,
I'm not sure - but it looks like a form of T. orphanidea to me.
Any other suggestions?
Simon , Armin - I'm no expert on tulips but my first thought, based on the form of the flower, was also T. orphanidea. But Mathew states that this sp has dark anthers & my own plants certainly do. However, it is also said to hybridise with T. sylvestris where the two grow close together producing yellow-orange forms. So, T. orphanidea or a hybrid of this?
Edit: I have just checked in Grey-Wilson & Mathew. They state that T. orphanidea does not grow in the Peloponnese but the similar T. goulimyi does - in S Peloponnese.
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Thanks Gerry for your input. I'll have a google and see if I can find any pics of T.goulimyi for comparison.
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Gerry,
you are right regarding the dark pollen of T.orphanidea and it could be possibly a hybrid with T. sylvestris. This could explain the yellow pollen and the slimer flower pedals.
On the other hand couldn't it be simply a form of T. orphinidea var. flava? This is natural very variable.
Nevertheless, Simon, a nice one!
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I agree Armin- a very nice Tulip- but more thanks should go to Mother Nature for its creation and Chris for finding it, while I was still drooling over the Leontice ;)
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For Simon
Picture of Tulipa Red Lighthouse - it is fostreriana hybrid raised by me
and another clone of T. berkariense - Little Ilze
About berkariense - it is growable outside but there is one problem - it makes very long (up to 37 cm) side growing stolones. So now I'm growing it only in pots or box. Both clones (Little Ilze and Morning Star) were collected Kara-Tau mountains, Ber-kara gorge in 1984 or a pair years before. In nature it grows in shaded spots, mostly in shrubs, makes small round bulbs but blooms even bulbs 10 mm in diameter. Never had larger than 15 mm in diameter.
Janis
Janis,
thank you for the explanations for T. berkariense.
Tulipa fosteriana hybrid "Red Lighthouse" certainly makes a big fireworks in an garden. Lovely.
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Only one Tulip to add here
T. altaica
Gerd
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Gerd,
another moment of delight!
Beautiful!
Do you keep them in the greenhouse?
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Gerd,
another moment of delight!
Beautiful!
Do you keep them in the greenhouse?
Thank you Armin.
They were kept outside but under cover!
Gerd
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Tulipa orphanidea
From a Norman Stevens collection, Turkey.
This was planted out in the garden where it increased & flowered regularly for many years. However, in recent times it began to dwindle alarmingly and a couple of years ago I rescued the few remaining bulbs & put them in a large pot which is where they are now.
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Gerry,
that is a very nice color form of T. orphanidea. 8) 8) 8)
Good luck for bulbs recovery and quick increase.
It would be a pity if get lost.
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That's a lovely T.orphanidea Gerry. I did a search for T.goulimyi but they were all red flowered.
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That's a lovely T.orphanidea Gerry. I did a search for T.goulimyi but they were all red flowered.
Thanks Simon - it is my favourite tulip.
Have a look at:
http://www.greekmountainflora.info/Parnon/Parnon%20Parnonas3.html
They call this tulip T. orphanidea but given it is on Mt Parnon I guess this is what Grey-Wilson & Mathew would call T. goulimyi. They say it is very close to T. orphanidea apart from having more leaves & some difference in the bulb tunic.
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Wonderful explosion of Tulips over the last few days.. :o :o
I love your T. orphanidea Gerry ! Beautiful form - take good care of it !!! ;)
Armin,
something makes me think you like Tulips... ::) ;)
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This little beauty just opened in the garden today. About the same size as T. humilis, with 2-3 buds per stem. Can anyone offer a name?
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Here are three more open today.
T. humilis
T. clusiana clusiana
T. hybrid- Picasso group
The last has some funny little projections on the tepals. Kinda neat!
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one open in my garden today,
Tulip Whittallii.
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Jamie it looks like Little Princess
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Thanks Simon - it is my favourite tulip.
Have a look at:
http://www.greekmountainflora.info/Parnon/Parnon%20Parnonas3.html
They call this tulip T. orphanidea but given it is on Mt Parnon I guess this is what Grey-Wilson & Mathew would call T. goulimyi. They say it is very close to T. orphanidea apart from having more leaves & some difference in the bulb tunic.
Thanks again Gerry. We were very close to the Parnonas Mountains. the pics on the link look very similar to the plants we saw, but the flowers look more cup-shaped in the pic. However we only saw 1 plant in flower, as the rest were still in bud, so it isn't fair to base any diagnosis on this one. The main thing is that we saw lots of leaves on individual plants and these were quite slender and grassy, like the ones in the link pic. So I guess we'll go with T.goulimyi.
Simon
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Mark,
is Little Princess a hybrid of T. whittalii? It has a strong resemblence to Derek's plant.
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Luc,
your thoughts are not alien to me ;D ;)
Jamie,
T. clusiana is beautiful.
"Little Princess" is a hybrid of T. hageri (color variant of T. orphanidea) with T. aucheriana.
T. whittallii is a tetraploid form of T. orphanidea.
Today some "Ladies" unwraped ::)
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Pretty flowers on Tulipa clusiana var. chrysantha - inside and outside Armin!
Gerd
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Thanks, Armin,
now I just have to count the chromosomes to be absolutely sure!
Nice group of 'ladies' you have there. :D
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Gorgeous T clusiana and lovely photos I love the close up of the Lady Jane - how tall are they?
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Thanks Gerd.
C. clusiana var. chrysantha is 2weeks earlier in flower compared to last year.
It is a bit more lemon yellow compared to previous seasons.
Selection T.clusiana var. chrysantha "Tubergen's Gem" is more egg yellow and outside red markings are darker.
Jamie,
wish you lots of patience to count the chromosomes ;) ;D
Robin,
the height of T.clusiana is ~20-25cm.
Hybrid "Lady Jane" is a bit taller ~30cm.
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Luit,
Thanks a lot for the photos of DHT 'Lalibela'. This new tulip is familiar to me, but I couldn't find a good photo to make a better impression about it. Eh, I wish I could have an opportunity to walk in the Keukenhof and enjoy and study the new introductions presented there. It looks as a magical place. Please, when you be there again, I'd like you to keep an eye on Japanese DHT tulips as 'Hakuun', 'Hatsuzakura' and Momorotau', which were bred during 70s, but registered in Holland just recently. They all are highly decorative, special and have quite good industrial qualities. It would be interesting to see their display in Keukenhof.
Here are some pictures of Tulipa Darwin Hybr. Hakuun, Zhirair asked for
some time ago.
Tulipa Darwin Hybr. Gr. Hakuun
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Luit,
Thanks agin for the photos of 'Hakuun'.
I am going to obtain some bulbs of it to test it and comepare with my other white DH tulips. From whites I grow DHT 'Maria's Dream' (very vigorous, virus-resistant and massive tulip, not common in trade) and DHT 'Angel's Dream' (new introduction, in the process of registration, not as massive as the previous one, but tall and elegant). I hope that 'Hakuun' will prove to be a good one.
Pity, now am away from home for 2 weeks in training courses. I have a lot to show in the forum. This year I found in wild tulipa biflora, which grew in very stony place, almost in sand. I will show the photos as soon as I am back and move the pics from the camera to the computer.
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Some tulips in the tulip frame and Tulipa sylvestris out in the gravel garden.
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A selection of late tulips out in the tulip bed.
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Simon,
nice dwarf beautis you have.
Thanks for posting.
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My pleasure Armin- we finally had rain this evening, so they may not be quite so showy tomorrow!
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Fate treated them unkindly :'(
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Any names for them Simon?
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Yes Mark- some are dead certs, some are maybes- which pics in particular?
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Simon,
my names proposal for your little puzzle:
T1: T.hageri + T.linifolia
T2+T4: T. humilis "Little Beauty"
T3: T. saxatilis
T5: T. batalini (bright gem) or T. montana (yellow gem); leaves?
T6: T.linifolia
T7: T.vvedenskyi
I'm not sure on T5: The leaves form does not fit.
Is there any red/orange marking outside?
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Armin, you are really rather good at this. ;)
On checking I have them labelled as:
T1= T.hageri
T2 and T4 = T.humilis 'Little Beauty'
T3= T.bakeri 'Lilac Wonder'
T5= T.dubia 'Beldersai' - the yellow petals now have a red reverse ;)
T6= T.linifolia
T7= T.vvedenskyi (possibly 'Tangerine'?)
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Simon,
sorry for the typos - I've revised the names.
T3: you likely know some authorities believe T. bakeri (Crete, high mountains) is only a variant of T. saxatilis (Greece, low land).
I've both - cannot find a difference.
T7: yes, could be cultivar "Tangerine"
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Armin, thanks again for your help. Please don't worry too much about typos- I make enough of them in my first language! I did have 'T.saxatilis', maybe 8 years ago (from a garden centre), and it never flowered for me- so I am happy to have the plant again as 'T.bakeri'. Do you have any problems with 'T.saxatilis'?
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As I know the main difference between T. bakeri and T saxatilis is that second one produces stolones while first one does not.
Both were very floriferous here - I replaced the comercial T. saxatilis as it is said to be a triploid sterile clone with suposed wild ones which are much smaller until now and did not flower so far.
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Simon,
I don't have problems with flowering. I keep them in ordinary sandy soil and full sun.
And I spread only potassium and phosphate fertilizer in late winter just before noses appear (~February) and lime in autuum.
Hans,
somewhere (RHS?) I read the main difference is the original found location and name registration. T.bakeri was first and therefore still widely used. You might be right to distinguish between the two species. Do you have a source?
T. saxatilis producing stolons, new bulbs flower in the 3rd year, sometimes in the second. Often old bulbs die after flowering or when stressed. Then only small non-flowering bulbs remain. Keep untouched and wait... ;)
In order to minimize spreading I use plastic baskets (those with fine grid used for aquatic plants).
They clump up nicely over time.
Some new Tulip pictures...
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I love the T. whittallii Armin ! :D
Especially when closed it looks so different !
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Luc,
it is true what you say and it is a nice species but regretable should be T. orphanidea "Flava", which isn't >:(
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here some pics of my favorite tulips :
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Tulipa clusiana ex GDS
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Tulipa clusiana 'Lady Jane'
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Tulipa clusiana 'Sheila'
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Hans,
wunderful C. clusiana.
Never saw one with red anthers/pollen! :o
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Your enthusiasm is catching and the photos exceptionally alluring, thanks Hans for showing them :)
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;) Thank you Robin + Armin ....but I'm only the photograph !
Armin : this bulbs comes from the GDS ( Deutsche Stauden Gesellschaft ) -it seems they must grow from seeds -thats different clones
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Hans,
wunderful C. clusiana.
Never saw one with red anthers/pollen! :o
Likewise, Hans!
stunning pics.
Armin,
I also like your pics - especially that hybrid with T. acuminata!
cheers
fermi
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Wonderful clusiana Hans !!
Here's almost the last tulips flowering for me ...
1) T. vvedenskyi 'Tangerine dream'
2) T. wilsoniana - they don't come much redder than this I think... :D
3) T. batalinii 'Bright gem' - clumping up nicely !
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Luc,
realy nice dwarf tulips. T. wilsonia is now T. montana. ;)
The red color is fantastic. 8)
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Hans- the T.clusiana are great so much variation between the 3 types- do you collect seed from them?
Luc- a lovely trio. T.vvdenskyi always wins for me though :)
Armin- sorry I have another one for you- growing from a patch of Ornithogalum. I am sure it is a Tulipa humilis- but which one?
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Simon,
Referring back to your "t3", Tulipa saxitalis 'Lilac Wonder': this is the most successful tulip in my garden. The conditions in my garden seem to suit it very well and it has spread generously - must get a photograph but the weather is miserable today and I would not bring a camera outside.
Last year I dug up one bed in which I have many of this tulip to clear out some nuisance plants. When I was digging I was being careful to look out for the bulbs but could not locate them at all! I thought they must have rotted though they had being growing in this bed for over ten years. However, they are back again this year as if I have never disturbed them at all. Any comment or explanation?
Paddy
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Hans- the T.clusiana are great so much variation between the 3 types- do you collect seed from them?
Thank you Simon ;D
I have also two other T.clusiana ( T.clus. v. chrysantha + 'Cynthia'
No - I have never collect seeds from them ...growing Tulipa from seeds is only for younger people ( they need around 8 years from sowing to flowering )
I have tried this only one time - with seeds of T.clusiana from a Bot. garden ...I still waiting for flowers :-\
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Paddy- stolons and 'sinkers' I guess- but nice to know the T.saxatilis is a tough little thing- it will need to be here to get below vole level!
Hans- 8 years? Send some seed here and let the long growing season do its work. I think I will have them flowering in 3 ;)
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Thinking if 3 years is enough? It took 3 years for T.schrenkii, but maybe this species is more of a weed ;)
maybe T.clusiana will be 4.
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Hans- the T.clusiana are great so much variation between the 3 types- do you collect seed from them?
Luc- a lovely trio. T.vvdenskyi always wins for me though :)
Armin- sorry I have another one for you- growing from a patch of Ornithogalum. I am sure it is a Tulipa humilis- but which one?
Hi Simon,
I don't have this cultivar but it looks to me as Tulipa 'Little Princess', a fiery gem of a dwarf tulip, listed as a cross between
T. hageri and T. aucheriana. (see also reply 217 and 223 on page 16 of this thread) ;)
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Hans,
somewhere (RHS?) I read the main difference is the original found location and name registration. T.bakeri was first and therefore still widely used. You might be right to distinguish between the two species. Do you have a source?
Sorry Armin, actually I cannot give you a source - I think there are some doubts if this are really two species or not as Tulipa saxatilis seems to be variable (also in chromosome sets - diploid and triploid forms exist).
Horticulturally there seems to be a difference in the plants I bought as Tulipa saxatilis and Tulipa bakeri "Lilac Wonder" (even if the bigger wonder was "saxatilis") - "bakeri" did not produce stolones and always had one flower - "saxatilis" produced stolons and produced often something more than one flower... ::)
Here some older pics.
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Dear Luit, what I wanted to ask you. If you come across to an exhibitor, who displays 'Temple of Beauty' and its sports, I would kindly ask you to clarify the difference bitween 'Blushing Beauty' and 'Blushing Lady'. I have been growing both of them for many years, but still cannot find out the difference between them. The other similar-coloured variety is 'Long Lady', but here I can see the difference. 'Long Lady' blooms paler and later on becomes darker comparing to 'Blushing Beauty'.
I grow 'Blushing Beauty' from 80s, but 'Blushing Lady' I obtained in late 90s from 2 different origins USA and Moscow. I even stared to think that my 'Blushing Lady' isn't true to name.
Zhirair, I saw that the following tulips are registrated as sports of T. Temple of Beauty:
'Big Brother'
'Blushing Beauty'
'Blushing Lady'
'El Niño'
'Hocus Pocus'
'Perestroyka'
'Temple's Favourite'
I made pictures of the following:
Tulipa SLG Temple of Beauty
Tulipa SLG [Tem.of. B.] Temple's Favourite
Tulipa SLG [Tem.of. B.] Blushing Beauty
Tulipa SLG [Tem.of. B.] Blushing Lady
Tulipa SLG [Tem.of. B.] Hocus Pocus
Tulipa SLG [Tem.of. B.] Perestroyka
The difference between Blushing Beauty and Blushing Lady is very little. One start a little earlier and
there is a slightly difference in color. I think, when they get mixed, you will hardly know which is which :-\
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Flowering wild at present, somewhere in Yorkshire, UK - Tulipa sylvestris. Colchicum autumnale grows in the same meadow.
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I thought tulips were native to eurasia and asia. But this fact changed my idea though.
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I cheat a little - this species was cultivated in the 1500s, and recorded in the wild (escapes) by 1790.
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ah I see :)
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Luit,
Again thanks for the photos of 'Temple of Beauty' and its sports.
'Temple of Beauty' is my most favourite tulip and I try to obtain and grow all its sports and sports of its sports. Currently I have all, besides 'Big Brother'. Additionally I also grow 'Long Lady' (sport of 'Blushing Beauty') and 'Deep River' (sport of 'Hocus Pocus'). Among these sports I am especially fond of 'Hocus Pocus'.
Indeed, 'Blushing Beauty' and 'Blushing Lady' look very alike and during several years of cultivation I still couldn't see any difference between them. My colleague from Moscow says that the yellow edge of 'Blushing Lady' in difference to 'Blushing Beauty' is somewaht darker, but again I can't fix it. The other thing is 'Long Lady', which has the same coloration and colour combination, but in its case the difference is noticable ('Long Lady' is paler).
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In greenhouse is the peak of wild tulip hybrids (mostly with vvedenskyi blood) and juno irises. Aroids just follow.
Janis
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Just wonderful, Janis. Thanks for sharing this 'inside' shot. :D
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Dear Janis,
Thanks for sharing this wonderful shot. I wish I had a such greenhouse, which would be very convenient to isolate my tulips during flowering period from bees.
I would be very pleased to see the photos of your greigii introductions 'Evening Fire' and 'Mountainns Glory' listed in your last catalogues; especially the shots where the flowers are in an open stage to obsreve the inside of the bloom and make a better idea about the flower shape (style of opening).
Please, show some photos if or when available.
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Zhirair excuse my ignorance but I want to ask one more question.
Do you want to isolate your flowers in order to prevent bees making hybrids?
and which hybrids are sterile
thanks
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Dear Janis,
Thanks for sharing this wonderful shot. I wish I had a such greenhouse, which would be very convenient to isolate my tulips during flowering period from bees.
I would be very pleased to see the photos of your greigii introductions 'Evening Fire' and 'Mountainns Glory' listed in your last catalogues; especially the shots where the flowers are in an open stage to obsreve the inside of the bloom and make a better idea about the flower shape (style of opening).
Please, show some photos if or when available.
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Arda,
You're always wellcome to ask any questions.
I isolate from bees some of my tulip varieties, which are succeptible to virus (especially from Fringed group) to prevent spreading of virus by bees. My neighbour grows virus-infected tulips and keeps bees at the same time. So the bees transfer virus from his tulips to mine. Tulips, which have high resistance, don't suffer at all, but some cultivars such as FRT 'Burgundy Lace' and FRT 'Johann Gutenberg' suffer very much. When I isolate them, no plant gets infection, while 30% the others ( I mean the same cultivars) grown non-isolated catch the infection. I isolate tulips only for 2 weeks during flowering period, later I take away the cover.
I don't mind bees making hybrids, as I multiply my tulips vegetativley not by seeds. From seeds you can multiply wild tulips, but you need to wait for at least 4 to 8 years to grow the tulips to flowering size.
Sterile hybrids are my most favourites. They are aomong the most showy one, as they are normally twise as large as diploid cultivars and show maximum vigour. Usually the cultiavrs with chromosom number 2n=36 are sterile (most of the Darwin Hybrids, and some from other divisions as TT 'Dreaming Maid', SLG 'Maureen', SLG 'Menton', Greigii 'Bokhara', etc.). Diploid cultivars have chromosom number 2n=24 and most of them are fertile and set seeds. But it is possible to make sterile hybrids set seet by application of different artificial methods.
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Thank you so much for the information.
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Here pictures of T. greigii Evening Fire and Mountains Glory. Sorry, your request Zhirair came too late and I couldn't find fresh flowers, but basement design you can see.
Janis
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Who can to help to identify this one? Can't remember such in my collection. It apeear on old Tulip bed but I can't remember such.
Janis
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Few Tulip hybrids pictured today - from croses between vvedenskyi and greigii (02 - Seed parent vvedenskyi, 41 - Seed parent greigii)
Janis
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Some very nice ones there Janis !
I like S-02-9c best !
Thanks for showing !
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They are all very nice, Janis :o 8)
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Janis,
what a brilliant combination! I think T. vvedenskyi makes a wonderful seed parent - I must see if these two flower at the same time in our garden next September.
cheers
fermi
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Janis,
what a brilliant combination! I think T. vvedenskyi makes a wonderful seed parent - I must see if these two flower at the same time in our garden next September.
cheers
fermi
You can keep pollens for 2 monthes in dessicator (with silica-gel) in fridge. Vvedenskyi is late blooming but can be crossed with all large blooming species. I kept pollens of kaufmanniana, fosteriana up to blooming of vvedenskyi, greigii, micheliana, albertii bloome ~ bsame time.
Janis
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Super images from everybody.
Early last week I've visited the first time the tulip land in Holland. I was lucky to see the peak of tulip, narcissus, hyacinth and muscari flowering season.
Botanical highlights for me were the visit of Hortus Bulborum garden near Limmen and Floratuin garden in Julianadorp.
http://www.hortus-bulborum.nl/eng/home-english.html (http://www.hortus-bulborum.nl/eng/home-english.html)
http://www.floratuin.com/ (http://www.floratuin.com/)
I've been kindly guided and accompanied by one forum member from The Netherlands.
Many thanks again to you Luit.
I'll start my introduction with a few tulip fields pictures around Noordwijkerhout and Julianadorp...
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continued with Hortus Bulborum (HB) and Floratuin (FT).
The weather was quite cold with 9°C to 12°C and some rain showers...
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The number of colors, species and cultivars I've seen is just awesome :o
I've focused only on tulipa species and cultivars. You get lost... :P
T.bakeri: flower going over and suffered from rain
T. bakeri -Lilac Wonder-: larger selection w/o a white ring
T. cretica: a dwarf species
T. primulina: another dwarf late flowering species
T. hageri -Red Cup- and -Splendens-: late flowering
T. humilis -Little Beauty-: dwarf and late flowering
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Impressive the T. clusiana and its cultivars...
The tallest was T. clusiana cashmeriana with 60-70cm height.
The tiniest -Honky Tonk- and T. stellata with 20-25cm height.
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I want to show how colours of shirley change in 1 week with before-after photos =)
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more T.clusiana cultivars...
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Arda,
very well documented. Indeed many tulips change color during flowering.
Do you know your Tulips cultivar name?
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Another batch of pictures...
T. greigii with wunderful leaves markings
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veritable red... T. linifolia and others...
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the yellow and yellow/orange ones...
T. karabachensis: compact, late flowering
T. sylvestris var. Tabris: larger and rich flowering, very impressive
T. montana: the rarer yellow form (usual darker red)
T. tetraphylla: nice lily style flower shape with orange outer markings
T. anadroma: a dwarf to medium size species
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unusual colors and flowering shapes and forms...
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excellent breeding results...
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one of my favourites ;) ;D
Hope when you reach here you have enjoyed the little picture tour.
Good night.
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one of my favourites ;) ;D
Hope when you reach here you have enjoyed the little picture tour.
Good night.
Thank you, Armin - you are a prince for doing this!
cheers
fermi
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Armin,
I'm heading to Amsterdam today. Hope something is still in bloom. The clusianas are well over in Cologne. I had no idea there were so many variants. Thanks for wetting my keyboard. ;D
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Armin,
I'm heading to Amsterdam today. Hope something is still in bloom. The clusianas are well over in Cologne. I had no idea there were so many variants. Thanks for wetting my keyboard. ;D
Jamie, you will not see many tulips in Amsterdam anymore now, but there is always the Tulip Museum.. ;D ;D
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Armin,
Thanks a lot for these wonderful tulip pics. I am mostly impressed with tulipa clusiana variations and cultivars, especially t. clusiana var. cashmeriana, and with our native tulipa sosnovskyi. I didn't know that t. clusiana var. cashmeriana grows such tall. I grow some t. clusiana cultivars and the tallest in my collection is 'Tinka' (45 cm). I received t. clusiana var. cashmeriana and t. clusiana var. stellata last autumn from Dix Export, but the first was mislabeled with t. 'Honky Tonk' and the second was totally virused. Very pity, but I am not surprised with mislabeling as it often occurs, but with virus I am really surprised. Unlike crocuses, I very rarely observed virused infected tulips among Dutch-grown stocks, even in white and yellow-coloured cultivars.
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Thanks for the tour Armin !
You seem to have had a great time looking at Holland's specialities in the company of a local Specialist ! ;)
If ever you visit Belgium - I'll gladly be your guide to get a glimpse at our specialities... ;D not horticultural I'm afraid... ::)
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Fascinating Armin; thank you very much for sharing this with us.
I particularly enjoyed seeing the various species and clusiana forms 8)
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What a selection. Thanks for giving us a tour Armin. As Fermi says, you're a Prinz. ;)
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Armin, your photos of the tulip fields on your trip to Holland are just outstanding and the colours and varieties really eye catching. Everytime I thought wow those photos are incredible you posted more and more - I too love the clusiana species and forms and you obviously had a princely time with The Specialist ;D
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If ever you visit Belgium - I'll gladly be your guide to get a glimpse at our specialities... ;D not horticultural I'm afraid... ::)
Probably a "staminee tour", but very recommendable of course ;D ;D ;D
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Arda,
very well documented. Indeed many tulips change color during flowering.
Do you know your Tulips cultivar name?
Yes. Tulipa Shirley.
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If ever you visit Belgium - I'll gladly be your guide to get a glimpse at our specialities... ;D not horticultural I'm afraid... ::)
Probably a "staminee tour", but very recommendable of course ;D ;D ;D
You know your world Luit !! ;)
Clearly you're not only a bulb specialist... ;D ;D
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If ever you visit Belgium - I'll gladly be your guide to get a glimpse at our specialities... ;D not horticultural I'm afraid... ::)
Probably a "staminee tour", but very recommendable of course ;D ;D ;D
You know your world Luit !! ;)
Clearly you're not only a bulb specialist... ;D ;D
So, Luc, you see why Luit has the Title "Dutch Master", eh? ;)
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Armin thanks for the trip to the bulb district.
Great to see the variety of the tulips. 8) 8) :o :o
Kind regards
Joakim
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So, Luc, you see why Luit has the Title "Dutch Master", eh? ;)
Very well chosen indeed Maggi !
I wonder who thought of that name.... ::)
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Few of my hybrids - all with vvedenskyi as seed parent. S-41 - greigii x vvedenskyi.
Janis
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Few more hybrids
Janis
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Fermi, Jamie, Ashley, Paul, Joakim, Robin,
thanks for the compliments. It was me a pleasure.
Luc,
I'm pleased you want to guide me for a tour in Belgium. ;) Isn't it now asparagus time?! Asparagus with boiled and chopped egg yolk, egg white and chopped parsley together with melted butter... hmm, so delicious. :P And as dessert fine handmade pralines and butter cookies from Antwerp. Fantastic! :P :D
Zhirair,
to see T. clusiana cashmeriana was also a big surprise for me. It is very attractive when grown in masses. You can get an image of sizes comparison from a picture of the species beds.
Regrettable that you didn't receive what you've ordered and that on top a species got virused. :'(.
The only tulips with virus I've seen were in Hortus Bulborum. Old Rembrandt tulips which are still cultivated separated from the other cultivars.
Janis,
some of your hybrids greigii x vvedenskyi look very promising! 8)
And, I'm sorry can't help with your "unknow" tulip identification.
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Many thanks to you Armin and you Janis, for these marvellous pictures. Goodeness Armin, what a wonderful time you had! All these photos demonstrate to me what I feel is the epitome of "Dutchness," everything clean, neat, tidy and in excellent health. Lessons to be learned, for an untidy gardener like me.
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Luc,
I'm pleased you want to guide me for a tour in Belgium. ;) Isn't it now asparagus time?! Asparagus with boiled and chopped egg yolk, egg white and chopped parsley together with melted butter... hmm, so delicious. :P And as dessert fine handmade pralines and butter cookies from Antwerp. Fantastic! :P :D
Your well informed Armin, I admire your excellent taste ! ;) But after that I think me might need some of our more liquid specialities to wash it all away... ::) :P
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Lesley,
indeed it was a wonderful time. Thanks to Luit's excellent guidance he showed me the nicest parts of Holland right at the best time. :D
The Netherlands are one of the most populated and also industrialized areas in Europe - alike Germany, almost every square meter of ground is influenced / changed by human activities. It looks perfect to be a epitome but almost no room left for wild nature, only small islands remained. :'(
Sometimes I wish to be able to turn the time back :-[ :-\
Luc,
no problem to wash it away with liquid specialities. As Belgium has a long brewery tradition like in Germany I think I will have no problems of adaptation... ;D
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Luc,
I'm pleased you want to guide me for a tour in Belgium. ;) Isn't it now asparagus time?! Asparagus with boiled and chopped egg yolk, egg white and chopped parsley together with melted butter... hmm, so delicious. :P And as dessert fine handmade pralines and butter cookies from Antwerp. Fantastic! :P :D
Your well informed Armin, I admire your excellent taste ! ;) But after that I think me might need some of our more liquid specialities to wash it all away... ::) :P
So many of us are thinking how we would like to come along on this trip, Luc! ;D
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... now all we need is a suitable date... ;D ;D ;D
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... put me on the list ;D
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... put me on the list ;D
Wednesday will be fine then? ;D
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Wives invited??
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Wives invited??
I don't HAVE a wife....... :P
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;D ;D ;D
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I hope that it's o.k. when I show a few other pictures, made by Vroni, to Armin's series.
Picture 1:
We were lucky that on part of the early tulips the flowers were off already.
Otherwise we had to leave Armin in the Hortus Bulborum that day.
Picture 2:
When Armin was taking pictures of Tulipa species, I decided to leave him and
look elsewhere for some different pictures.
Picture 3:
Blackbird taking a bath in Prunus flowers
Picture 4:
Armin investigating the biggest Crocus vernus Collection in the world.
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Hi Luit,
reg. picture 2: I was totally fascinated and my eyes were fixed on the tulip beauties so I didn't noticed at all I got flashed by Vroni ;D
reg. picture 4: unfortunately HB is not open for the public when crocus are in flower. Only green leaves were visible :'(
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Luit,
this is the problem, when you stay the first time in the hortus bulborum or in the "tulip area". You have no time to see all you want, but you want to see them all.
For you this is common. Every year, same time. But for the other bulb enthusiast it is like to be in the Paradise. ;D
When did this event take place in 2010 ?? ;D Guided tours (Sorry must working on Wednesday, only time on weekend)
On of this poor tulip and onion lovers from the land close to yours.
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Uli, I was there last year for the first time in my life.
When I had to run a nursery, I never had the time in spring to go there, but always wanted to go.
But I understand very well what you mean.
When did this event take place in 2010 ?? Guided tours (Sorry must working on Wednesday, only time on weekend)
I think that David better can tell you, why it should be on Wednesday. I was just teasing him a little.
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Uli, Luit knows that Wednesday is usually the day when my wife and I go to visit gardens (my choice) or go shopping for shoes (her choice) ;D
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So Luit,
you are one visit in front. I stay in the hortus bulborum 2006 the fist time. And I think I show the same behaviour Armin shows. No time, but so many wonderful bulbs to see in this living museum.
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When Armin was taking pictures of Tulipa species, I decided to leave him and
look elsewhere for some different pictures.
Here some pictures of Tulipa I made in the Hortus Bulborum.
First a so called Mendel Tulip, then two Single Late Tulips.
and a few old and newer Triumph Tulips.
Tulipa Mendel Striped Sail 1960
Tulipa SLG Cri de Coeur 1973
Tulipa SLG Smetana 1955
Tulipa Triumph Gr. Nairobi 1995
Tulipa Triumph Gr. Rijnland 1930
Tulipa Triumph Gr. Victor H. Ries 1989
Tulipa Triumph Gr. Wiener Wald 1971
Tulipa Triumph Gr. Willem Hopman 1944
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Armin, Luit,
Thank you so much for posting such wonderful pictures. I study them with great interest and pleasure and get many positive emotions out of seeing so many interesting species and cultivars.
I have some questions;
I wonder how far those virused Rembrandt tulips are planted from the main collection. Tulipa ‘Striped Sail’ alway caught my attention by its colourful look, so as a lover of taller growing tulip I would like to know its approximate height. Luit, and thanks a lot for the photo of breeder tulip ‘Smetena’. Finally I have the opportinity ti made an impression how it looks.
Some tulip photos from me.
tulipa biflora, which I found this season in wild in neighbouring Ararat region.
tulipa aitchinsonii var. clusianoides – a valuable present from a very respected person and good friend of mine.
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tulipa kaufmanniana ‘Voschod Solnca’ – Z.P. Botschantzeva 1952
tulipa kaufmanniana ‘Nessy’ – J. Ruksans 198?, one of the most beautiful and colourful Janis’ kauf. seedlings
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tulipa kaufmanniana ‘Speranza’ (red) – van Tubergen 1963, the tallest Dutch kauf. 45-50 cm tall, large-flowered
tulipa kaufmanniana ‘Gracia’ – I.D. Tjutjunnikov 1926, 50-55 cm tall, bred by pioneer in Soviet tulip breeding from Kharkov, Ukrain; in difference to ‘Ugam’ it is more contrasting and more creamy with slightly different shape of flower.
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kaufmanniana ‘Ugam’ (aka ‘Ice Stick’) – J. Ruksans; J. Pennings 1992, 50-55 cm tall,
kaufmanniana ‘Gracia’ – I.D. Tjutjunnikov 1926, 50-55 cm tall
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That’s how I clear the stock from viruses.
I usually destroy (or isolate) infected samples before blooming on the bases of leaf mosaic observed on young leaves. So during blooming there is usually no infected plants left. I do around 7 observations of young leaves starting from the time when tulips show their sprouts until budding. Infected samples are usually isolated from aphids by covering them by plastic bottles and removed during harvesting, when the bulbs are dormant. When I find infected sample(s) among a corresponding variety, after isolation, I go to the area where the daughter bulbs of this variety planted and immediately find the corresponding infected daughter bulbs (of infected smaple(s)) again due to leaf mosaic in destroy them. Of course, this method is time-consuming, but more effective and reliable as it allows to get rid of virus in short times. Regular method of eliminating infected plants during flowering has some disadvantages. In this case the probability of infection of neighboring plants (growing next to the infected samples) is rather high because virus very often mechanically get into neighbouring plants as well as a result of strong winds, hails or late snow. Besides, daughter bulbs of infected plants are grown in beds until they get matured and during this period they serve as reservoirs for virus.
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Zhirair,
phantastic T. biflora with soft pink outside 8).
And T. aitchinsonii var. clusianoides :o :o :o Superb!
The Rembrandt tulips are separated ~ 60-70m from the first tulip beds.
They are plantet at the outest possible corner of the HB area.
Very interesting your method(s) for anti-virus treatment.
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Zhirair, you have some very nice species Tulipa.
I found some time to resize some more pictures made at Hortus Bulborum.
Here a series of Breeder Tulipa:
Tulipa Breeder Aesculapius [1863]
Tulipa Breeder Alcida [1916]
Tulipa Breeder Alice Keight [1930]
Tulipa Breeder Cape Town [1954] 1
Tulipa Breeder Cherbourg 1
Tulipa Breeder Cherbourg 2
Tulipa Breeder Corinna [1929]
Tulipa Breeder Fulton
Tulipa Breeder Georges Grappe [1939]
Tulipa Breeder Great Simon
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Two more:
Tulipa Breeder [Eng.] Albert Tears
Tulipa Breeder Admiraal Tomp [1932]
and a few others which Armin did not show.
Tulipa maculata Globosa
Tulipa passeriana NW
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Don't miss the recent posts on the Travel Giraffe thread for an amazing field of multicoloured Tulips in the wild
Susan
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Does anyone know if this Tulip is showing signs of viru?. I have never bought one like this before and it is flowering from a bulb, which I can only assume did not look like this last year.
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Simon,
I don't know what tulip it is, but I can assure you that it is absolutely virus-free. I have very detailed article about all the nuances of virus on tulips in my web-site, but it is in Russian so far.
Luit,
Greatest thanks for your photos again. They are just wonderful!!! You're driving me nuts with those breeder tulips. They are just astonishing with their unique colours and are at the top of my interest. 'Cherbourg', 'Georges Grappe', 'Cape Town', all are nice.
I had a talk with Dutch tulip specialists, who I met here lately about the reasons why they don't grow these tulips for commercial purposes, as they are tall, large-flowered, have high rate of propagation and most of them have good resistance to virus. They just told me, that they don't care much about the beauty and most important for them now the suitability of a tulip for early forcing. So very often highly decorative varieties are substituted with less decorative, but more industrial ones. And another nuance that was mentioned - nowadays tulips with erect (verticall during the period of flowering, not bending) leaves are very valued and it is recommendable that the flower was at the same level with the last leaf or a bit higher. This is very good for packing. Besides, they told me that SLG tulips, even modern varieties gradually leave the market and substituted with robust new triumph earlier blooming tulips, which have the same sizes and vigour as Single Late cultivars. This I noticed along ago, SLGs are offered in the market less and less from year to year.
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Thank you, Zhirair.
Is then any chance that this could have happened spontaneously from another tulip?The nearest i have growing in this area of the garden are T.sylvestris, T.didieri and T.sarracenia.
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Simon,
I couldn't occur spontaniously from another tulip. Other case, if they grew from seeds, fallen from your tulips and are hybrids.
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Can this appearance change be the result of a "sport" ???
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That's what I was wondering Maggi. I never like to be too certain, but I don't think it can be from seed as we haven't been here long enough- and all my Tulip seed was collected and sown in pots as this part of the garden wasn't finished yet.
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I had a talk with Dutch tulip specialists, who I met here lately about the reasons why they don't grow these tulips for commercial purposes, as they are tall, large-flowered, have high rate of propagation and most of them have good resistance to virus. They just told me, that they don't care much about the beauty and most important for them now the suitability of a tulip for early forcing. So very often highly decorative varieties are substituted with less decorative, but more industrial ones. And another nuance that was mentioned - nowadays tulips with erect (verticall during the period of flowering, not bending) leaves are very valued and it is recommendable that the flower was at the same level with the last leaf or a bit higher. This is very good for packing. Besides, they told me that SLG tulips, even modern varieties gradually leave the market and substituted with robust new triumph earlier blooming tulips, which have the same sizes and vigour as Single Late cultivars. This I noticed along ago, SLGs are offered in the market less and less from year to year.
I spoke on Monday with one of them Zhirair. Did you make photographs on your one-day outing with the group?
Would be nice to see something of your "home mountain"
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Maggi,
This could be the result of a sport. But it is very easy to see it, when comparing them to the other tulips grown in the plot. Sports usually attain all the characteristics of mother variety (structure, shape of leaves and flower, blooming time, etc, but are differently coloured, double or fringed or with variegated leaves).
Luit,
yes I made some photos that day in the mountain. This spring was very late and so unfortunately our target plants was not yet in bloom. I also have many photos from our weekend spring 2009 trips. Will try to post the pics soon.
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Has Tulipa sprengeri ever been re-discovered in the wild? Or is it still all descended from the single bulb found in a shipment to van Tubergen, collected at an unidentified site?
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Would anyone care to give an opinion as to whether this might be T. dasystemon or T. urumiensis... I bought bulbs purporting to be each, years ago. Do I have to dig them up to examine the hairiness of the tunic to tell? (That apparently distinguishes T. tarda from T. dasystemon, according to Rix and Phillips...) Does leaf count help?
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We forced a large pot of Tulipa
'Show Girl' 'Playgirl' for the front steps. I believe it was recommended by the RHS. It goes through many colour transformations starting a rich cream. Rather good and sturdy for this purpose and lasts a long time. You can see a laggard at the bottom.
Hot here today.
johnw - +26c
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Raspberry Ripple ice-cream. :P
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Jonh,
'Show Girl' is nice.
I wonder where you get it. As far as I know this tulip (sport of Cottage tulip 'Chappaqua') is commercially not vaialable.
Lately have not enough free time at work to participate in the forum.
Just wanted to show one of my fav. tulips, about which reminded me your 'Shoiw Girl'.
Tulipa SLG Cottage 'Annushka', bred during Soviet era by famous Belorussian breeder V.M. Kudriavtseva in 1972. It is a cross between Cottage 'Mother's Day' and Lily-flowered 'Elegance Alba'. A nice tulip with tender colour.
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Boyed - Try C.J. Ruigrok in Holland for
Showgirl 'Playgirl'. It goes through many changes before it's "raspberry ripple" climax.
If not try Vanhof and Blokker. I will try to find out which company was the supplier.
johnw
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When I see the recommendation from John for 'Show Girl', I want to ask if someone can recommend a address for Tulipa greigii-cultivars?
In the trade in Germany only 20 diffrent cultivars available.
Thanks to all for helping
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'Annushka' is beautiful.
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Uli,
Greiii tulips are among my favourites and I thoroughly study the trends. Unfortunately very few greigii cultivars are offered in trade nowadays and I should mention that mostly the less decorative ones dominate in the market. I consulted some Dutch growers about the situation and they say that the reason is that these tulips require more care and less sutable and profitable for mechanical culture.
I can recommend Polish KGardens. They grow quite a good range of very beautiful non-commercial varieties, but in small scale.
http://kgardens.org/T1_IV.htm
It is a gala time for me when my greigii tulips are in bloom. I made lots of photos and will show some in the forum as soon as I have enough free time.
John,
I made a search in the google for the companies you mentioned. One doesn't have a web-site; the other's have, but its website is private and for registered customers. Anyway, I wonder what varieties they grow.
The only thing I notice lately that all the companies offer the same range of boring tulips every year, nothing special. It is very hard to find a nurcery, which offers something different.
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Zhirair,
thanks for the address. I see always the same thing. Only the mass producted cultivars survived.
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The last tulip to flower, Tulipa sprengeri. It self sows in my garden and takes up more space than I would like but it is quite spectacular when in flower.
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This post is especially for Luit.
If you remember, last year there was a discussion about black tulips, and I mentioned tulipa 'Black Leader'. This is the darkest one, a Dutch variety, which was excluded from the register a long time ago, I don't know why. It is preserved by the only grower V.K. Khondyrev in Russia. I don't like black tulips much, mainly because of their small sizes of blooms. Last fall I reseived some bulbs of it directly from the grower and was knocked down by its beauty, flower shape, flower size and darkness of colour. In comparison to it the famous 'Queen of Night' is zero.
I attache its photos, plus cmparison pics with 'Bacchus' and 'Queen of Night'. 'bacchus' is very large-flowering variety, so I selected medium sized flower for harmony. The camara reflected its exact colour.
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Some Breeder tulips
'Barmaley' - Z.P. Botschantzeva 1955
'Don Eugo' - an old Dutch variety, that is lost in Holland
'Irish Coffee' - very robust, vigorous tulip
'Louis XIV'
'The Skipper' - fringed sport from 'Louis XIV'
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More pics
1. 'Barmaley'
2. 'Barmaley', 'Louis XIV' - in the center
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Roma: I have ONE T. sprengeri in flower! :-[ Happily, the last seed IS growing !! ;D Finally!! Just think, in a few years I should have a fab display..... :-\
Zhirair: Black Leader is astonishing, so beautiful. In the photo with the red and green variety the black colour really sings out.
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It's an incredible colour. I wish it were available here. 'Queen of the Night' is the darkest we have. And I do like all those odd browny/bronzy colours too. :)
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Lesley,
Those Breeder tulips are very valauble for garden, maybe beacuse they were specially bred for garden purposes. They have good sizes, good virus resitance and multiplication rate; and the most improtant is that they can grow and succesfully bloom very year for over 20 years without lifting. So you plant them and forget. Of course, for maximum vigour and performance it is recommendable to harvest them very other year.
Modern varieties lack these advantages and withour annual lifting they degradate from year to year.
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Well Zhirair, that is really a Black Leader. And you captured the color very good on the photo.
These black tulips are very difficult to capture right. It's a pity that so many beautiful varieties got lost
here over the years, but as long as somebody still grow them there is a chance to get them back into culture,
when demand is changing.
I hope that my friend here is nr. 1 on your order list ? ;) That would give me the chance to see it here with
my own eyes.
I like the Don Eugo and Irish Coffee very much too. Very nice colors.
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Luit,
I am pleased you was impressed with 'Black Leader'. No doubt that your friend will be number 1 in my order list. I am very curious to get a feedback from such a good expert. I prepared a good set of non-Dutch tulips for him and hope that he will enjoy them.
Indeed, black colour is quite hard to capture right. I use such a tric: I put yellow-coloured flower next to black tulips when focusing and then take a shot. It helps much.
Such a question.
When you see him, I would very appriciate if you ask about Rembrant tulip 'Insulinde'. I know he grows it. I would like to know if this variety is virus-free. In Russian literature it is mentioned as virus-free, anyway. I like it and would like to grow, if I make sure that it is free of virus.
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Luit,
Such a question.
When you see him, I would very appriciate if you ask about Rembrant tulip 'Insulinde'. I know he grows it. I would like to know if this variety is virus-free. In Russian literature it is mentioned as virus-free, anyway. I like it and would like to grow, if I make sure that it is free of virus.
Zhirair, today we met at Lisse Flowershow and I asked about T Insulinde.
Tulipa Insulinde is definitely not free of virus. Alas.
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Hello,
How many beautiful tulips in this topic...much more than I could ever grow . Here's my very humble contribution for 2009 of species which have already been highlighted earlier:
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Jean-Patrick,
Nice photos! Thanks for posting. Among species I especially like tulipa clusiana, its clones, cultivars and subspecies beacuse of their elegant appearance. I try to collect as many as possible.
This year i made thousands pics of tulips from my collection, but still showed only few of them. Now I have been sorting the photos out and hope to show the most interesting ones soon.
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This year i made thousands pics of tulips from my collection, but still showed only few of them. Now I have been sorting the photos out and hope to show the most interesting ones soon.
That is good news, Zhirair 8)
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This year i made thousands pics of tulips from my collection, but still showed only few of them. Now I have been sorting the photos out and hope to show the most interesting ones soon.
That is good news, Zhirair 8)
I'm looking forward to that, Zhirair.
cheers
fermi
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My tulip colection.
http://mimiana.sunphoto.ro/02_lalele_2009
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My tulip colection.
http://mimiana.sunphoto.ro/02_lalele_2009
viovaslui,
Thank you for the link to your nice tulip collection. I must say that you have pretty good collection. I studied all your photos and wold like to make some comments:
page 4 - GR 'Rob Verlinden' is mislabeled with praestans variety (it is a varigated sport from tall greigii 'Princesse Charmante'), GR 'Casa Grande' is mislabeled with other draft greigii (it is tall with huge blooms, and has different leaf patterns);
page 5 - GR 'United States' is mislabeled with GR 'First Impression', 'Giuseppe Verdi' seems to be mislabeled, fosteriana 'princeps' is mislabeled with greii cultivar (its leaves are not mottled);
page 6 - DHT 'Ad Rem's Beauty' is mislabeled with DHT 'Ad Rem', TT 'Golden Melody' is mislabeled with greigii 'Easter Surprise', which is virused;
page 7 - GR 'Lovely Surprose' is certainly mislabeled with kaufmanniana variety, DHT 'Banja Luka' is mislabeled with DHT 'Ollioules';
page 8 - 'Arlo' is virused, 'Georgette' is mislabeled;
page 9 - TT 'Barcelona' is mislabeled with TT 'Jan Reus';
page 10 - TT 'Oscar' is virused, TT 'Jan Reus' is mislabeled, F 'Big One' (or 'Top Red') is super!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (the best tulip in the world!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!);
page 11 - GR 'Kiev' is wonderful!!!
page 14 - LT 'Aladdin', SLT 'Perestroika' and FT 'Huis ten Bosch' are virused;
page 15 - DHT 'Burning Heart' is mislabeled with striped triumph variety, TT 'Kees Nelis', FT 'Fancy Frills' and TT 'Mirella' are virused, FT 'Daytona' is mislabeled and virused;
page 16 - FT 'Fringed family' is virused, FT 'Barbados' is mislabeld with other fringed variety;
page 18 - TT 'Atilla', DLT 'Wirosa', TT 'Arabian Mystery' are virused;
page 19 - 'Dekker's Glory' much resembles TT 'Don Quichotte', TT 'New Design' is virused, SLG 'Renown' is mislabeled and virused at the same time;
page 20 - 'Palestrina' and 'Dreaming Maid' are virused;
page 21 - 'Beauty of Apeldoorn' should be 'Double Beauty of Apeldoorn', FT 'Burgundy Lace' is mislabeled;
page 23 - 'Libretto' is mislabeled;
page 24 - DHT 'Golden Apeldoorn' is mislabeled;
page 25 - SLT 'Cum Laude' is mislabeled with other purple tulip (true 'Cum Laude' has white base edged blue), VR 'Spring Green' is also mislabeled with other viridiflora tulip, which is virused at the same time;
page 27 - DHT 'Ollioules' and VR 'Hollywood Star' are mislabeled, 'The Mounties', 'Humming Bird' and 'Fnatacy' are virused;
page 28 - TT 'Peer Gynt' is mislabeled with SLT 'Pink Diamond', Vr 'Groenland' is mislabeled with VR 'Virichic', TT 'Stirped Sail' is mislabeled with TT 'Happy Genereation' (or maybe TT Ice Follis');
page 29 - 'Snow Peak' isn't Darwin Hybrid, it is Single late, but as far as I remember was transfered to Triumph group;
page 30 - DHT 'Oxford's Elite' is mislabeled with a Triumph tulip, FR 'Blue Heron' is mislabeled and virused, Lt 'West Piont' is mislabeled with LT 'Elegant Lady';
page 31 - TT 'Zurel' is mislabeled (it should be purple with white);
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just like to show some photos of my geigii tulips
'Casa Grande' - 55-60 cm tall tulip with huge blooms;
'Red Smile' - 60-65 cm tall tulip with huge blooms, very massive with very thick stems, the most vigorius in this group;
'Grand Gala' - 60-65 cm tall tulip, seems to be interspecific hybrid with t. fosteriana;
greigii tulipa bed - fist row - 'First Impression', second 2 rows - 'Royal Lovely Surprise', then 'Grand Gala' - the tallest, and last row - 'Casa Grande'.
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WOW, there sure is a wealth of information being offered here and so many wonderful pictures.My small collection is just starting to bloom, so here are a couple that I like.
Tulipa aucheriana
Tulipa ''Little Beauty''
I really love that Little Beauty.I don't mind admitting I don't know a great deal about this genus.I see that Little Beauty is a hybrid of Hageri. Now would it accept the pollen from aucheriana and if so, is the cross worth while?
Regards Paul Rumkorf
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Here are a couple of tulips in flower in Redesdale now,
Tulipa cretica
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Tulipa greigii
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cheers
fermi
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Yesssss ! :D
Tulips are here again !
Thanks Paul and Fermi - I hope you'll be showing lots more of them !! ;D ;D
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Fermi,
your T. cretica looks very tall !!!
In the wild, it's usually about 5 cm tall :o
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Fred, we find that T. cretica grows too tall...around 15-17 cms here , too :'(
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I think scottish food is too rich ;)
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I think scottish food is too rich ;)
;D ;D..... well ,sometimes, that may be so but I believe that most of the problems we have here with plants growing too tall is because of the low light levels. I am surprised that that would be the reason for fermi's taller plants, though... I would have thought that the Australian light levels were just fine! :-\
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WOW, there sure is a wealth of information being offered here and so many wonderful pictures.My small collection is just starting to bloom, so here are a couple that I like.
Tulipa aucheriana
Tulipa ''Little Beauty''
I really love that Little Beauty.I don't mind admitting I don't know a great deal about this genus.I see that Little Beauty is a hybrid of Hageri. Now would it accept the pollen from aucheriana and if so, is the cross worth while?
Regards Paul Rumkorf
Paul,
I think this is possible and successful. In "Tulips" from Richard Wilford both species belong to the subgenus Eriostemones. T. hageri to section Australes and T. aucherina to section Saxatiles. So it is possible to get fertile seeds.
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I think scottish food is too rich ;)
;D ;D..... well ,sometimes, that may be so but I believe that most of the problems we have here with plants growing too tall is because of the low light levels. I am surprised that that would be the reason for fermi's taller plants, though... I would have thought that the Australian light levels were just fine! :-\
Hi Fred and Maggi,
this cluster of Tulipa cretica are a bit tall as they were overgrown by a salvia which was cut back when I saw the flowers on the tulip.
This is the height of another cluster in full sun,
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And the T. aitchisonii v clusioides is in bud - even better than last year!
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cheers
fermi
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Fermi,
I would like to know if your tulipa greigii form increase vegetatively? Wild forms not always form daughter bulbs and mainly propagated by seeds.
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Look's better :)
very nice plants, T. cretica is one of my favourite ;D
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Fermi,
I would like to know if your tulipa greigii form increase vegetatively? Wild forms not always form daughter bulbs and mainly propagated by seeds.
Zhirair,
that Tulip greigii came from one of the commercial growers awhile ago so I can't be sure it is the wild form. It does have a number of daughter bulbs as can be seen in the pic and one of them is now in flower. The original one was planted about 6 or 7 years ago and this is the first offset to flower; I think I need to dig them up and separate them a bit.
cheers
fermi
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Fermi, I really like your group of Tulipa cretica - the rosey flush on the outside petals and then opening out to stary white with a yellow throat - are they from Crete?
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I have read that Tulipa acuminata is difficult to grow but no details are ever mentioned or solutions. With luck I landed 12 good-sized bulbs and would appreciate any insights on growing them. They will be in the cold room for the winter and then moved into a just-frost-free greenhouse when the shoots emerge.
Last year Luit's pictures of this Tulip at the Hortus Bulborum fired me up to find it once and for all.
johnw
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Paul,
I think this is possible and successful. In "Tulips" from Richard Wilford both species belong to the subgenus Eriostemones. T. hageri to section Australes and T. aucherina to section Saxatiles. So it is possible to get fertile seeds.
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Thanks Uli--I managed to get Richard Wilford's book from our Ferny Creek Horticultural Society library yesterday.It's exactly what I needed--in fact I'm going to buy one for my own library.I selfed both plants and also put pollen each way on other blooms.
Regards Paul Rumkorf
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Glad you like Richard's bookm Paul.
Ian reviewed it for the Rock Garden journal in 2006..... attached below, in two parts........
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On Saturday morning this bunch was given to me by a flower seller at the Market, to welcome me on my first day back at work. I've no idea what the variety is. They were in quite tight bud but have opened really quickly, and the flowers grown in size as well over just a day and a half.
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Lesley,
That is for sure a triumph tulip, but it is very hard to identify which variety it is as there are hundreds of cultivars with this colour combination among triumph tulips. It would be easier to gueсs if the blooms were photographed in an open stage where the base colour could be observed.
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Fermi, I really like your group of Tulipa cretica - the rosey flush on the outside petals and then opening out to stary white with a yellow throat - are they from Crete?
Hi Robin,
Yes, I believe they are from Crete, though I bought mine locally ;) T. cretica, T. saxatilis and T. bakeri are supposed to be closely related if not varieties of the one species. I can't see that with T. cretica myself :-\
Tulipa bakeri "Lilac Wonder" has just started flowering
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and T. saxatilis will be open by the weekend.
This is the inside of T. aitchisonii v clusioides,
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Its "big sister" T. clusiana will be open by next week.
cheers
fermi
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Boyed, I wasn't too bothered about the name of my Tulips, but if you know it..? They seem to be approx half and half red and light yellow. They were wilted this morning and the leaves floppy but they needed some more water. A week after I was given them, they're still in good condition.
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Fermi, sorry not to have seen your reply earlier but thanks for the info and I do really like Tulipa that you can appreciate looking into..... Tulipa bakeri "Lilac Wonder" is a favourite but your T. clusiana is really lovely - is it over yet?
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Lesley - Boyed mentioned a Triumph, might it be 'Cees Nelis'? ???
johnw
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Is Kees Nelis not a bright yellow/red. I remember this one for its great name :P
Here my tulips at present-I assume they are very common but they add lovely colour to our little cottage garden
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Lesley - Boyed mentioned a Triumph, might it be 'Cees Nelis'? ???
johnw
From the Forum: http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3260.msg92426;topicseen#msg92426
this is Luit's photo from Keukenhof....
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Right you are Maggi and Kees. Kees Nelis is much brighter. I can blame my aged recollection.
johnw
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I don't mind not knowing. I don't want to get fixated on names for every tulip I see around. :D
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I don't mind not knowing. I don't want to get fixated on names for every tulip I see around. :D
Yes, Lesley, you wouldn't want to get manic about tulips, would you! ;D
The species are still going with us but the hybrids will be starting soon.
Here's Tulipa saxatilis
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Tulipa clusiana,
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Tulipa hageri is just starting,
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And this Ruksans hybrid T. vvedenskii is starting to multiply,
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There'll be more soon!
cheers
fermi
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Good show Fermi !
I love the way T. hageri is poking through the foliage 8)
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Gee Whizzzzzzzzzz, you've got some nice tulip species fermi :P
Here is Tulipa clusiana ''Cynthia''..the cross between T. clusiana and T. chrysantha.
last picture is T. kurdica.
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Gee Whizzzzzzzzzz, you've got some nice tulip species fermi :P
Thanks, Paul.
Here's the mouthful for a little tulip, T. kolpakowskiana
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cheers
fermi
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Fermi, Tulipa clusiana is so beautiful outside and in - quite tall by the looks of things?
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Fermi, I thought T. kolpakowskiana was red? ???
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Fine tulips there Fermi 8)
Fermi, I thought T. kolpakowskiana was red? ???
Usually yellow with a red/purple wash on the outer petals I think Lesley.
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Lesley,
you want red tulips, you got red tulips! I think the first one is T. praestans but I've lost the label! I'll have to search the record books.
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the next one is more orangey-red, T. vvedenskyii
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as is T. albertii
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And of course, T. greigii which I posted earlier
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cheers
fermi
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Tulipa chrysantha "Van Tubergen's Gem"
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T. kurdica
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T.aucheriana
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T. kolpakowskiana
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T."Cynthia"
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and finally a T.sylvestris taken in Cathy Newing's garden in Macedon.
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cheers
fermi
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Great show Fermi !!!
Making the wait for my own Tulips in 6 months time a bit easier...
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Hallo Fermi,
Tulips really make a brilliant display in spring garden. It is always a delight to see them flowering. 8)
Your "lost label" T. praestans resembles more T. eichleri or T. praecox or T. hoogiana. All 3 have black/yellow markings and glaucous leaves. Do you have a closer picture from the inner markings?
T. albertii: This looks like T. vvedenskyi to me. Maybe picture names mixed up with the previous one?
Hallo Paul R.,
CC: Fermi
both your T. kurdica looks to me like cultivar T. hageri x aucheriana "Little Princess".
T. kurdica does not have yellow markings to my knowledge.
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Lesley,
John is likely to be right with ID. Your tulip most probaly is TT 'Kees Nelis'. No doubt, in the garden or outside it looks much brighter, but many tulips are somwhat paler, when forced. Your tulip was bright red with prominat yellow edge resembling 'Kees Nelis' and then it changed it colour to rasberry red with creamy-white adge.
Paul,
Interesting information! I dindn't know that clusiana 'Cynthia' is a cross between clusina and chrysantha. How did you know? I am always interested in parantage of tulips, but it is mainly a hard-to-find info.
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Hi Armin,
thanks for your comments.
I still haven't found my records of when I bought the "praestans" but it wasn't as any of the names you've suggested; however it could easily have been misnamed when I bought it.
The "albertii" is quite distinct from the "vvedenskyii" in its growth being more open and less upright.
The "kurdica" may well be as you've suggested; I must go back to the books and see what they say about this one. (I think it's very similar to T. hagerii without the greenish exterior.) In that case I'll be on the look out for the true species! Any seed suppliers out there?
cheers
fermi
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G'day Armin--thanks for that info. My T. kurdica came from Marcus Harvey of Hillview Rare Plants. Marcus would probably be the main commercial supplier in Australia of all things choice. :) I selfed the plant, and so if its a hybrid and I'm still kicking when it's seedlings flower, I will understand the colour range. :-\
G'day Zhirair.You will be pleased to know that I even cleaned my computer screen of dust, to better see your beautiful Black Leader. :D Knowing the background/breeding of our plants is always an added joy and so I was pleased when Marcus Harvey added the immediate parentage of T. clusiana ''Cynthia'' to his catalogue.
A lot of the big commercial suppliers of tulips in Australia are now packaging their product just as ''red'' or ''yellow'' etc so to me there is added incentive not to buy from them, but seek out more informative suppliers/growers.
I can imagine you too going completely nuts if you were in Holland during ''tulip mania'' and that first black tulip hit the market ;D
The well named book ''Buried Treasures'' by Janis Ruksans arrived today, now just waiting for ''Tulips'' by Richard Wilford.I'll need another book case at this rate!
Happy growing !
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Hallo Fermi,
regarding T. praestans: you can find good pictures in Reply 125 (Ashley), page 4 and Reply 193(Janis Ruksans), page13 of this thread. Your 1st.picture is definitvely no T. praestans.
For T.albertii and T. eichleri: please look at the pictures of my Reply 200, page14. and Reply 185, page13.
Hallo Paul R.,
I cannot judge the sourcing of your bulbs. Maybe it will also take too long until you get the seedlings of "Little Princess" into flower to know parentage ;)
T. kurdica is close related to T. humilis. A reference is i.e. Leonid Bondarenko web page http://www.litbulbgarden.com/catalogue5.php (http://www.litbulbgarden.com/catalogue5.php).
You find there also the cultivar "Little Princess"...
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Hi Armin,
thanks for your input; the red tulip may well be T.eichleri or even T.fosteriana but most unlikely to be T. praestans.
Here's a closer look at the inside
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and the outside
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And two more views of the T. albertii
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only noticed the intruder when I enlarged the pic!
cheers
fermi
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These are some "miniaturized" T. "Negrita"
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They have been underfed but even small bulbs of these "large" varieties will produce flowers, but much smaller than usual.
Fermi, Tulipa clusiana is so beautiful outside and in - quite tall by the looks of things?
Robin,
yes T.clusiana is quite tall, up to 18 inches in semi-shade!
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I think Dom said he likes acacias so I hope he appreciates this pairing!
cheers
fermi
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Hello Fermi,
thanks for the new pictures. For me your 1st. Tulip is T. eichleri. Typical is the greenish marking on the outside of pedals - good visible in the senond picture. T. fosteriana does not have this and the pedal form is a bit more rounded (& larger) then T. eichleri.
Your T. albertii is a questionable for me. Your samples have a yellow basal marking and no lackluster greenish marking(similar to T. eichleri) on the outside of pedals. Also the leaves are not as wide as the T.albertii I have in my garden and which is the form in the commercial dutch trade. These are all parameters which can vary within a species, I know. I don't have enough experience if T. albertii is such variable in the natural habitat.
Zhirair may help us?
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Hello Fermi,
thanks for the new pictures. For me your 1st. Tulip is T. eichleri. Typical is the greenish marking on the outside of pedals - good visible in the senond picture. T. fosteriana does not have this and the pedal form is a bit more rounded (& larger) then T. eichleri.
Hi Armin,
thank you for helping with identifying this tulip as T. eichleri. I found the name I bought it as was T.fosteriana "Praestans"! I think the sellers were hedging their bets but didn't have any luck either way! ;D As I've said before some names over here are terribly muddled!
Here's a pic of a Lily tulip which may be "Pretty Woman" (another lost label!) "Maytime", thanks to Zhirair for help to ID it
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cheers
fermi
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Fermi,
Who eats your labels all the time ? :o ;D ;)
Thanks for your Tulip posts Fermi - they brighten up my day (quite dull and grey over here at the moment :() every morning !
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Hello Fermi,
Your red tulip is tulipa Fosteriana 'Princeps', which is actually a large flowering clone selected from wild. It has bronzy-green base with not bright yellow margin, flower colour from outsite has somehwat yellowish overlay. From well-known fosteriana 'Madame Lefeber' (aka 'Red Emperor') it differs by larger flower, shorter height, and later blooming.
Armin is certainly right, your tulipa albertii is mislabeled. Your tulip has different shape of flowers, thinner stems and narrow leaves. It somewhat looks close to praestance, but I am not sure what really it can be.
The photo of your lily-flowered tulip is not very clear. If it's flower has narrow white margins, it is "Maytime"; if no, in this case most probably it is "Lilac Time".
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Hi Zihair,
thank you for your reply. Fosteriana 'Princeps' is an old cultivar (from 1908) I did not consider :D.
From searching the web for good pictures of "Princeps" I cannot judge further - the quality is simply too bad.
I grow only "Madame Lefeber" in my garden. Maybe you are right with your identification.
Hi Fermi,
you have the choice now what you would like to name your nice red tulip! ;D
Anyway T.eichleri and T. fosteriana are close related and resemble quite a lot. ;D
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This photo of Tulipa 'Princeps' from Luit's thread of the Connoiseur Collection......
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Fermi,
Who eats your labels all the time ? :o ;D ;)
Thanks for your Tulip posts Fermi - they brighten up my day (quite dull and grey over here at the moment :() every morning !
Hi Luc,
the cockatoos do have a habit of pulling up labels and chewing them up >:( just for sport - they are the juvenile delinquents of the parrot world! However in this case you can see the Bearded Iris in the pic have over-run the bed and the tulips had just about died out - it was a nice surprise to see this one come into flower.
Hi Zhirair,
I think "Maytime" was one of the lily-tulips that had been planted here, so I'll re-label it.
The possibility of the red tulip being T. fosteriana "Princeps" is reasonable - I had been hoping it was T. eichleri as the only other bulb of that species that I have hasn't flowered - I'll have to move it I think.
thanks again for all the help from my Forumists friends!
cheers
fermi
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As far as "T. albertii" is concerned I'll contact the supplier and see what he says! It is different to the T. vvedenskyii I'm growing, but not hugely. It maybe a hybrid if it was raised from seed, I suppose.
cheers
fermi
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tulipa eichleri can be easily identified by its distinct shape.
pix of fosteriana 'Princeps' (studio photos), eichleri (from my Ukrainian friend's garden) and albertii (studio photos)
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This nice and elegant tulip species, which very much impressed me, was photographed by a traveler in Albania. I don’t have any idea what species it might be. Maybe somebody can help with ID, especially who has an access to flora of Albania?
Specialist from Copenhagen University Kit Tan says that they found t. schrenkii in North Kazakhstan, all colours, and no black blotch and the same soft mix of colours on the tepals, but with yellow anthers there.
As to tulipa hungarica;
this unknown tulip is rather tall, not short-stemmed as in tulipa hungarica; the outer tepals are not rounded, but apiculate and there is no black basal blotch beneath the yellow at the base of the tepals as in tulipa hungarica? Also the leaves are more glacous than green.
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As far as "T. albertii" is concerned I'll contact the supplier and see what he says! It is different to the T. vvedenskyii I'm growing, but not hugely. It maybe a hybrid if it was raised from seed, I suppose.
cheers
fermi
Hi Fermi,
before you contact your supplier there is a form of T. vvedenskyii called Typ 2. Your photo of T. albertii resembles this version.
I was hestitating to mention because I was unsure - but as you said now "it differs not much" I'd like to share my thoughts.
Picture can be found here: http://www.meeuwissenvoorhout.nl/UK/index_2.htm (http://www.meeuwissenvoorhout.nl/UK/index_2.htm) under category "Tulips", folder "Oculus-solis & others".
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Zihair,
thanks for the comparison of T. fosteriana "Princeps", T. eichleri and T.albertii.
P.S: A very good picture of excellent, strong T. eicherli samples! 8)
Cannot help on your "unidentified" Albanian tulip. But it is a real beauty ;)
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Apart from the species tulipa we also grow some "standards" but mostly the 'weird' ones like parrots, doubles and viridiflora types.
This is a new bed for parrots and the viridiflora "Spring Green"
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"Rococo"
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"Rai"
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cheers
fermi
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Fermi,
You ahve some VERY nice species tulips. Quite a few I haven't seen before. I think I shall have to look at Marcus' catalogue a little more closely Tulip-wise in December. ::) I do like the species, and have a few myself.
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Paul,
let me know which ones you're interested in, though I should never stop Marcus from making a sale to you! ;D
The latest tulip is another patch of T. hageri
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The Tulipa chrysantha "Tubergen's Gem" have held their blooms, perhaps because they are setting seed?
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And more Parrots! Firstly, "Weber's Parrot"
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"Bright Parrot",
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"Holland Happening"
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And finally, the Viridiflora Tulip, "Spring Green"
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cheers
fermi
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Fermi, do you have a website? Is Marcus' catalogue online or is it just a list? I, like Paul, have really enjoyed your Tulips - T. hageri is glorious inside and out but it does look tall 8)
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Fermi,
I do already have a few species tulips, although most disappointed that this year my T. liniifolia didn't come back. The coolest little flowers and crinkly leaves. Nothing has appeared there at all unfortunately. I should have left them in their pot. ::) I do like your hageri and albertii, but would have to go back and look further to see what other cool ones you have that I don't already. ;D
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Fermi, do you have a website? Is Marcus' catalogue online or is it just a list? I, like Paul, have really enjoyed your Tulips - T. hageri is glorious inside and out but it does look tall 8)
Hi Robin,
no, I don't have a web-site. I usually get Marcus' catalogue as an e-mail attachment and can forward it onto to anyone who wants it. I think he's also developing a website.
T. hageri is less than 8" (20cm) high! It can get taller if overgrown by other plants.
The latest to flower is T. tetraphylla, it flowered for the first time last year and it doesn't look like t increased; the stem is a bit sturdier as it has been kept outdoors instead of in the shade-house
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Paul,
This is what I got as T. maximowiczii, which I think is a synonym of T. linifolia, the one I got as T.linifolia has also "gone" but it wasn't as intense a red as this one!
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Finally, a rather out of focus shot of another T. hageri which I think might be what I'd once got as T. h. "Splendens"!
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cheers
fermi
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Marcus Harvey website is: http://www.hillviewrareplants.com
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Thanks Fermi & Pat I shall have a great time delving into the Tulip world in the SH - awful weather here....
Was wondering if anyone grows T sprengeri as I was given 3 precious bulbs by Tonyg and hope to give them the best possible chance to multiply :)
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Fermi,
I do already have a few species tulips, although most disappointed that this year my T. liniifolia didn't come back. The coolest little flowers and crinkly leaves. Nothing has appeared there at all unfortunately. I should have left them in their pot. ::) I do like your hageri and albertii, but would have to go back and look further to see what other cool ones you have that I don't already. ;D
Funny for you to loose Tulips Paul - they should love your hot, dry Summers ... ??? ???
Haven't you tried any in your Crocus bed ?? (or is it already overcrowded... ;D ?)
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Luc,
Losing this one was a surprise to me as well. It had done well in a small pot for a couple of years (it is a tiny little thing only a few inches high and intense orangey-red, with thin, rippled leaves) but I put it into a massive tub in the back yard to give it some root room and space to drop it's bulbs further if needed. This year, nothing came up at all. I guess it wasn't hot enough for it in the tub as it insulated it? I really don't know. The Crocus, Iris retics and other things in there all did fine, just not it. ::) The problem with planting it into my crocus garden (which is definitely already full) is that everything in there is in a basket, and I am not sure how the tulip species would cope with that given they are prone to producing droppers etc and sending themselves down deeper. Would a basket complicate things? I know in pots they just end up sitting their bulbs on the bottom of the pot, but I am unsure what a basket would do to them?
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Thanks Fermi & Pat I shall have a great time delving into the Tulip world in the SH - awful weather here....
Was wondering if anyone grows T sprengeri as I was given 3 precious bulbs by Tonyg and hope to give them the best possible chance to multiply :)
Robin, search the Forum for a post about Tulipa sprengeri from Roma... she grows them by the hundreds!
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Luc,
Losing this one was a surprise to me as well. It had done well in a small pot for a couple of years (it is a tiny little thing only a few inches high and intense orangey-red, with thin, rippled leaves) but I put it into a massive tub in the back yard to give it some root room and space to drop it's bulbs further if needed. This year, nothing came up at all. I guess it wasn't hot enough for it in the tub as it insulated it? I really don't know. The Crocus, Iris retics and other things in there all did fine, just not it. ::) The problem with planting it into my crocus garden (which is definitely already full) is that everything in there is in a basket, and I am not sure how the tulip species would cope with that given they are prone to producing droppers etc and sending themselves down deeper. Would a basket complicate things? I know in pots they just end up sitting their bulbs on the bottom of the pot, but I am unsure what a basket would do to them?
Hi Paul !
As we are not used to warm dry summers out here, I grow some of my species Tulips in baskets so I can lift them easily after flowering and give them a warm dry rest in the garden shed. They adore this treatment out here - I just have to make sure that the baskets are deep enough to avoid the problems you mention. I find it a quite practicle way to grow them. Another advantage is that I can plunge my pots of Rhodohypoxis in the holes when I lift the Tulip baskets in Spring, so I have flowers twice in the same spot... ;)
Always struggling for space.. ;)
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Luc,
The problem with planting it into my crocus garden (which is definitely already full) is that everything in there is in a basket, and I am not sure how the tulip species would cope with that given they are prone to producing droppers etc and sending themselves down deeper. Would a basket complicate things? I know in pots they just end up sitting their bulbs on the bottom of the pot, but I am unsure what a basket would do to them?
Paul,
they grow through the holes of the basket to go deeper. And they do this very fast. They only need one growing season and you find "daughter-plants" 30 centimeter/1 feet under the old pot. Mostly species increased by stolones.
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Luc,
The problem with planting it into my crocus garden (which is definitely already full) is that everything in there is in a basket, and I am not sure how the tulip species would cope with that given they are prone to producing droppers etc and sending themselves down deeper. Would a basket complicate things? I know in pots they just end up sitting their bulbs on the bottom of the pot, but I am unsure what a basket would do to them?
Paul,
they grow through the holes of the basket to go deeper. And they do this very fast. They only need one growing season and you find "daughter-plants" 30 centimeter/1 feet under the old pot. Mostly species increased by stolones.
This is also my experience - they get everywhere.
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Robin, search the Forum for a post about Tulipa sprengeri from Roma... she grows them by the hundreds!
Thanks for the lead Maggi, Roma's T sprengeri looks fantastic in drifts under the trees in dappled sunlight - my 3 small bulbs will take a few years to put on a display like that!
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Luc,
The problem with planting it into my crocus garden (which is definitely already full) is that everything in there is in a basket, and I am not sure how the tulip species would cope with that given they are prone to producing droppers etc and sending themselves down deeper. Would a basket complicate things? I know in pots they just end up sitting their bulbs on the bottom of the pot, but I am unsure what a basket would do to them?
Paul,
they grow through the holes of the basket to go deeper. And they do this very fast. They only need one growing season and you find "daughter-plants" 30 centimeter/1 feet under the old pot. Mostly species increased by stolones.
This is also my experience - they get everywhere.
I suppose it's because I lift them every season they don't have time to cause me this problem... ;)
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My Tulipa linifolia didn't come up this year either. Don't know why. They'd been fine in their raised bed for about 8 years. On the other hand, batalinii x maximowiczii have thrived and multiplied in the same bed. But linifolia has always been very special to me because of the Greenwood painting.
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Uli and Gerry,
The "escaping" was my concern, and the reason I haven't planted them in the baskets in the crocus garden.
Luc,
No idea why they aren't escaping from yours...... Tulips make their droppers in one season, so the fact you lift yours shouldn't make any real difference. I at one stage had a pot of one of the species sitting on a bench in my shadehouse..... there were droppers sitting in mid air 6 inches below the bottom of the pot. Pterostylis orchids are doing the same here at the moment, with a couple of them having more than 6 inch shoots straight down out the bottom of the pot, which I think will become tubers if they get the opportunity. I don't think they'll do it in mid air, but I think if they managed to encounter a pot they'd grow very happily. ;D
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Paul,
Another reason may be that the mesh of the baskets I'm using is quite fine, approx. 1 mm openings... :-\ ???
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Luc,
That would definitely make it more difficult for them to put their droppers through. ;D
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Luc,
That would definitely make it more difficult for them to put their droppers through. ;D
Though that desn't stop Scolipus bigelowii or some Erythronioums from making good their escape from such pots! ::) :P
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1mm mesh is still large enough for them to get through? :o I didn't realise that Scoliopis bigelowei was stoloniferous? Does that mean it can be grown from root cuttings etc?
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Paul, these plants will also burrow out of fishbox troughs via the base or sides! Houdini has nothing on 'em ! Alstromeria are escapologists, too. Never actually "tried" to propagate them from root cuttings as such, though :-\
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I wish my scoliopus would grow like that Maggi. It has remained a tight, non-moving clump for its whole 12-15 years. I often pick erythronium bulbs from the gravel under their pots though and some alstroemerias can be viscious.
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Two late flowering parrot tulips,
"Orange Parrot"
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and my favourite, "Flaming Parrot"; I'd love to get a pink sport of this and call it "Flamingo"!
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cheers
fermi
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My mother used to grow 'Orange Parrot' many years ago (she died in 1989) and I liked it then. Not so sure now. Pretty sure I'm not too keen on the other though. :-\
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I have the flaming parrot and I must admit I agree with Lesley I also do not really like it, it is quite messy but with it being so late it does add some colour to the garden. Mine are out now to. They look like candy cains when the yellow fades to white.
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I got on the elevator of the Victoria General Hospital last night and there was a photo of a delectable tulip on the wall. It was tight in bud, very narrow and extremely pointed. The colour was a lovely dark almost, but not quite, burgundy red with a brilliant light green base which went 1/4 of the way up the petals. The combination was stunning. If I can get back AND catch the same elevator I will take a picture but the chances of that is pretty remote as I can't remember which elevator I was on. Any ideas out there as to its identity?
johnw
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So you were hypnotised on the elevator......and saw a red :-* ::)
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John,
A bit difficult to guess by discriptions.
Could it be lily-flowered tulip 'Yuri Dolgorukiy'? See the photo below
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John,
A bit difficult to guess by discriptions.
Could it be lily-flowered tulip 'Yuri Dolgorukiy'? See the photo below
Zhirair - No, not that one. No flair at the tip and there was a green base that stopped with a clearly dilineated line between red and green. Thursday night I will be back to photograph it.
johnw
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Back to the elevator Tulip. Ninth elevator proved to be the correct one, however it took several rides to get rid of the crowds to take two shots. Apologies for the quality of the shots, it was dark in there and bumpy. The red is just a tad brighter than shown.
johnw
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It looks a very interesting tulip John. I've certainly no idea about ID. Was it part of an advertisement? I ask because I wonder if it was computer-generated.
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Lesley, I think they are real ;)
Edit by Maggi: Armin has reported that there may be a problem with the link Luit gave to a site with the original photos of the mystery tulip, so I have removed it from the page.
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Hi Luit,a real good looking Tulip and its name is? bye Ray
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The picture with the buds resemble T. humilis "Eastern Star".
Tiny but very nice when flowers are wide open.
But it could be a totally different cultivar. :-\
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Lesley - I assume the photos and paintings thoughout the hospital are for sale and/or publicity. My first thought was the Tulips were computer generated, that was in the crowd. On my next trip down I was opposite the photo and realized they were real.
Luit - I browsed on the photographer's name and wound up on some rather unsavoury sites. I did finally get to her website and she lives here in the city so I dashed her off an email. Marvellous you could find the photo on her site as I couldn't. Thanks so much, it’s exactly like the photo I saw.
I just wonder if another shot by the same photographer might be the same Tulip farther along. http://www.photoworks.8k.com/display/display7.html (http://www.photoworks.8k.com/display/display7.html) I think more than dew got this one, probably a spring gale.
Armin – the base of humilis Eastern Star looks right but the leaves look too big, but that may be the close-up distorting the scale. I like the shape of the flowers in bud and prefer the spring sun to stay away (not so much of a problem here!) so tulips stay tight in bud as in the shot. Once they open they never quite close again the same way. I’m a strange fellow.
johnw
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John, a wonderful journey of discovery to find your tulip in the photograph. Curiosity led me to look at Halifax Gardens where your second tulip photograph, by the same photographer, was taken...what a wonderful garden with Bandstand and lake, and a most interesting history 8) I do hope you find your tulip....I have been searching for one I grew years ago but have never found again :'(
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I just cannot comprehend the enormity of a hospital site with (at least?) nine escalators.....ooh, errrrr, just looked again... it is elevators, not escalators..... well, okay, that is within reason, I concede!!
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Robin - Yes you hit the nail on the head, nice bandstand and lake, otherwise a horticultural nightmare. The Hfx Public Gardens are but 2 blocks away from me, everytime I pass it I get a headache. Graham Stuart Thomas' mouth would be opening and closing like a fish's as described in the intro to his book on great gardeners. Pity as the garden has great bones, bones laid out by an Irishman.
johnw
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BTW - the link of Luit contents a virus / Malware "HTML/Rce.Gen." (Trojan).
I use Avira Antivir which has refused access.
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BTW - the link of Luit contents a virus / Malware "HTML/Rce.Gen." (Trojan).
I use Avira Antivir which has refused access.
That is worrying, Armin.
I have removed the link to prevent anyone else following it. Now I'm trying to remember when I opened the link, and isf it was berfore or after today's pc scan?! :-\ :-X
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Worrying indeed, therefore let my Computer scan all Temporary Internet Files, but no reporting of any virus, (I know that this means nothing at all'),
but don't believe it is so tragically. Nova Scotia gives on several sites this link.
When it contains malware, they would have found out since long I HOPE.??
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Maggi.I don't think it is anything to worry about, I have scanned with a AVG professional anti-virus and anti-spyware and found nothing.
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I just cannot comprehend the enormity of a hospital site with (at least?) nine escalators.....ooh, errrrr, just looked again... it is elevators, not escalators..... well, okay, that is within reason, I concede!!
They need 9 escalators for people waiting to get in!
johnw
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Worrying indeed, therefore let my Computer scan all Temporary Internet Files, but no reporting of any virus, (I know that this means nothing at all'),
but don't believe it is so tragically. Nova Scotia gives on several sites this link.
When it contains malware, they would have found out since long I HOPE.??
Posted by: Michael J Campbell
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Maggi.I don't think it is anything to worry about, I have scanned with a AVG professional anti-virus and anti-spyware and found nothing.
Yes, I've run a scan too and nothing show..... better safe than sorry, though, Huh? I discover that this trojan dates from 2007 so most of us with up to date protection will have been okay, but I get anxious about such things :-X
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Maggi and all,
this is what Avira says about that virus "HTML/Rce.Gen":
Description:
One major goal of malware authors is to execute code on the victims computer. This Remote Code Execution can be achieved by using security holes in the web browser. The AHeAD HTML Heuristics detects the attempt to execute code and alerts it as HTML/Rce.Gen.
Virus: HTML/Rce.Gen
Date discovered: 14/08/2007
Type: Trojan
In the wild: Yes
Reported Infections: Low
Distribution Potential: Low
Damage Potential: Low
Static file: No
Engine version: 7.04.01.62
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I've missed something here, including the given link. Maybe just as well. John, I see what you mean about the real thing (the tulip) if it is the one in the windswept picture. I had thought the pictures on the elevator walls could be poster types like the ones in the London underground.
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The tulip, John showed, is definately a triumph tulip. I remember I've seen such in Dutch tulip picture book. Should study the pictures again in the book to find out the name.
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As I made a copy of the original I could show Amanda's tulip to other people here.
I received the following 'maybe' names for the tulips in the elevator:
Red Revival or even Parade.
Here normally tulips are never pictured in this stadium, but as this is more an artistic photo....difficult to say.
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This nice and elegant tulip species, which very much impressed me, was photographed by a traveler in Albania. I don’t have any idea what species it might be. Maybe somebody can help with ID, especially who has an access to flora of Albania?
Specialist from Copenhagen University Kit Tan says that they found t. schrenkii in North Kazakhstan, all colours, and no black blotch and the same soft mix of colours on the tepals, but with yellow anthers there.
As to tulipa hungarica;
this unknown tulip is rather tall, not short-stemmed as in tulipa hungarica; the outer tepals are not rounded, but apiculate and there is no black basal blotch beneath the yellow at the base of the tepals as in tulipa hungarica? Also the leaves are more glacous than green.
It's Tulipa schrenkii
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Dima,
it'll be very good if you place few photos of tulipa schrenkii from your region, so the people will have the opportunity to compare. I could place them for myself, but the internet connection at my work place at the momnet is rather slow.
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The connection got better and I post Dima's photos of tulipa schrenkii from Crimea.
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Thanks, Zhirair! Exactly! It's my pics of T. schrenkii from Crimean Kertch' peninsula steppes. In 14-15th centuries the bulbs of it were exported to the Ottoman Empire by millions.....
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What a delicate little tulip!
Gerd
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Back to the elevator Tulip. Ninth elevator proved to be the correct one, however it took several rides to get rid of the crowds to take two shots. Apologies for the quality of the shots, it was dark in there and bumpy. The red is just a tad brighter than shown.
johnw
John,
I think I could identify your unknown tulip.
It must be Single Late tetraploid tulip 'Rhodos', having a distinct yellow base. I attach its pix.
In your photos the base is greener and the flowers have a bit pointed shape, because they are in a bud. When the flowers mature the base most probably turns yellow. At least 'Rhodos' has the same very clearly defined base shape and base margins.
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Back to the elevator Tulip. Ninth elevator proved to be the correct one, however it took several rides to get rid of the crowds to take two shots. Apologies for the quality of the shots, it was dark in there and bumpy. The red is just a tad brighter than shown.
johnw
John,
I think I could identify your unknown tulip.
It must be Single Late tetraploid tulip 'Rhodos', having a distinct yellow base. I attach its pix.
In your photos the base is greener and the flowers have a bit pointed shape, because they are in a bud. When the flowers mature the base most probably turns yellow. At least 'Rhodos' has the same very clearly defined base shape and base margins.
Thanks Zhirair! I think you have indeed found it.
johnw
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And lovely it is too, in a group like that. Thanks.