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In November 2008 the cyclamen society as part of the ongoing research and following the study on Corfu in 2007 visited Zakinthos. I was again lucky to be part of that team, the other two being Melvyn Jope and Chris Gifford. If the red flowers on Corfu were the highlight then the leaves on Zakinthos were of equal merit. For a small island the variation was incredible and when you see them together it is difficult to believe they are all the same species. Here are some of them.
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they are incredible simply stunning,put the pollen from your red on to some of the better leaf forms and the mind boggles what the offspring would look like
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Fabulous flowers on Corfu & incredible leaves on Zakinthos. I wonder what the plants are like on the 'middle' islands - Lefkas, Ithaca & Cephalonia?
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Fabulous flowers on Corfu & incredible leaves on Zakinthos. I wonder what the plants are like on the 'middle' islands - Lefkas, Ithaca & Cephalonia?
Gerry
I hope to find out in the not too distant future.
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Fabulous flowers on Corfu & incredible leaves on Zakinthos. I wonder what the plants are like on the 'middle' islands - Lefkas, Ithaca & Cephalonia?
Gerry
I hope to find out in the not too distant future.
And I hope your camera batteries are full when you do!!! 8)
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In November 2008 the cyclamen society as part of the ongoing research and following the study on Corfu in 2007 visited Zakinthos. I was again lucky to be part of that team, the other two being Melvyn Jope and Chris Gifford. If the red flowers on Corfu were the highlight then the leaves on Zakinthos were of equal merit. For a small island the variation was incredible and when you see them together it is difficult to believe they are all the same species. Here are some of them.
Unbelievably - it seems mother nature went totally mad!
Gerd
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Wow wonderful to see 3-5 different foliage forms in one close up! And all of them great!!
Thanks for sharing these treasures. Were any plants or seed collected by the society of any of these foliage forms?
Kind regards
Joakim
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In November 2008 the cyclamen society as part of the ongoing research and following the study on Corfu in 2007 visited Zakinthos. I was again lucky to be part of that team, the other two being Melvyn Jope and Chris Gifford. If the red flowers on Corfu were the highlight then the leaves on Zakinthos were of equal merit. For a small island the variation was incredible and when you see them together it is difficult to believe they are all the same species. Here are some of them.
fantastic! when seeing these various leaf types before, i thought they were mostly man-made, so its great to learn they are 'real' plants ;)
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Wow wonderful to see 3-5 different foliage forms in one close up! And all of them great!!
Thanks for sharing these treasures. Were any plants or seed collected by the society of any of these foliage forms?
Kind regards
Joakim
Samples were collected as per the Cyclamen Society's permits .
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Great to hear Pat 8) 8) ;D ;D
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Those are extraordinary Pat, the lobed arrowhead (# 6) and silver netted ones (# 10) in particular I think.
Thanks for showing them 8)
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The first and last ones are the favourites of mine. But they're all pretty speccy. Thanks.
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In November 2008 the cyclamen society as part of the ongoing research and following the study on Corfu in 2007 visited Zakinthos. I was again lucky to be part of that team, the other two being Melvyn Jope and Chris Gifford. If the red flowers on Corfu were the highlight then the leaves on Zakinthos were of equal merit. For a small island the variation was incredible and when you see them together it is difficult to believe they are all the same species. Here are some of them.
This is the ultimate dream for the hederifolium-lovers.....We allready get few pictures in our journal of the cyclamen society but this is a fantastic bonus.Thanks for sharing this wonderfull pictures Pat.
I visit Zakynthos this autumn but it was to early for leafs ,only flowers at that time.
If you love leafs ,hederifolium stays on top ,this is another proof.
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Well, Kris, there is also Cyclamen graecum--leaves to rival ANY of the great cyclamens...
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I am a graecum lover but being involved in these field studies has made me see hederifolium in a new light. The leaf patterns are as good as graecum and the variation in size is similar. But where hederifolium wins is the variation in leaf shapes which are more diverse than any other species bar none.
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Pat
You need to travel to Turkey and view the graecum around Kemer/Goynuk/Phaselis. I agree hederifolium has greater variation in leaf shape than graecum - and it has the added advantage that it is hardy so more people can grow it, but for sheer beauty in the leaves give me graecum every time 8)
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Pat to wet Your appetite there are two tails of the the graecum around Goynuk.
I have no opinion about who is best just that hederifolium is hardier.
This by Tony
http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=4506.15
and this by Arthur
http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=4511.15 maybe there is more to be seen ?
Just to wet the appetite for graecum from Goynuk.
I have spread the links with lovely hederifolium on Swedish pages so that they can see truly beautiful pictures of plants that can be grown in Sweden as well.
Kind regards
Joakim
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Pat
You need to travel to Turkey and view the graecum around Kemer/Goynuk/Phaselis. I agree hederifolium has greater variation in leaf shape than graecum - and it has the added advantage that it is hardy so more people can grow it, but for sheer beauty in the leaves give me graecum every time 8)
As you know I have a greenhouse totally devoted to graecum around 200 plants but my interest in hederifolium has grown to the point I rate it as good as graecum but as you say much easier. I guess ssp candicum is still my desert island plant and that is unlikely to change.
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This is one of my better efforts of ssp candicum
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Just out of interest here are three of the herbarium sheets from Zakinthos, I think these show the leaf variation from the island quite well.
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What a super illustration of your point, Pat.
Very beautiful and glamorous as C. graecum leaves are with their patterns and velvety look, this variability in the hederifolium leaves is really exciting.... it's what I find so interesting, for sure.
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This is one of my better efforts of ssp candicum
I recognise the plant and I have long lusted after it :P :P
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Well, Kris, there is also Cyclamen graecum--leaves to rival ANY of the great cyclamens...
I am agree with that Carlo ,the first I ever met in the wild was purperascens .
The first I ever buy was hederifolium .The first I ever adore was graecum ....and it is still one off my favorites
But like other friends say ,the hederifolium-leaves has just a bit more variation in the shape of the leaves.
In Crete I met some very nice graecum-leaves to on several occassions .So it is a difficult decision anyway.
In my glasshouse is not enough place because :I love to many plants and that is maybe another advantage for the hederifoliums .And another thing to say : in the past years , hederifolium became a plant of the gardencenter.Something very common and easy and not interesting....The hederifoliums of this world are the underdog .And I am a fan of underdogs ,Pats pictures shows us that the graecums have a challenger again.
This is one of my better efforts of ssp candicum
I think this is exactly what Carlo means? This is really a challenger....
I send a few pictures of my hederifoliums that grows in our garden ....
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Joakim,
Thanks for the pointer to those two topics with graecums. The one I have commented in has some amazing leaves. Never seen the like before, and I too love the graecums (although I don't have a "favourite" species from a leaf point of view, I just love nice leaves of whichever species they are! ;D)
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Kris
You have some very nice hederifolium leaves.
Were these bought as plants selected for their good leaf colour and form, or did you grow a batch from seed and select out the best?
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Kris
You have some very nice hederifolium leaves.
Were these bought as plants selected for their good leaf colour and form, or did you grow a batch from seed and select out the best?
Arthur
The first two I bought ,number one is the result of a visit at Peter's nursery .
The second is from a Belgian nursery (Martine De Smedt)
The third one I grow from seed ...
Together with my brother I try to grow each year some different species from seed.
This is a good way to get some special forms and the first results of our effort you can see with number three. It is true , a rigorous selection have to be made and this is maybe the most difficult part......