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Specific Families and Genera => Iris => Topic started by: Hans A. on January 01, 2010, 11:00:39 PM
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First Onco from Israel in flower this year:
Iris atropurpurea
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Gorgeous, Hans. The light reflection on the falls is beautiful.
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Lovely to see the first of the oncos to start flowering for the year. Seems early. Sometimes I. atropurpurea is first here in the s.h. and sometimes a bit later. When I dug most of the arils last month that was the species that had produced the most rhizomes. I was not able to get any seed last season from this species which was a pity.
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Beautiful colour Hans.
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Fantastic Hans and quite early for this species.
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What a terrific start of the year Hans !!!
It's a real gem ! :o
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Congratulations for establish this species in your Island :) and also for this brilliant picture.
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First Onco from Israel in flower this year:
Iris atropurpurea
Super!
Janis
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superb plant and superb pict !
It seems there are the best condition on your island to grow oncos outside too.
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Lovely Hans!
Here, they will start to flower in the end of this month.
Lucky me that I live 10 minutes drive from this species :D
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Thanks to all - it is really early as also some Junos are this year and I am surprised it flowers earlier here than in Israel.
Lucky me that I live 10 minutes drive from this species :D
Miriam, I hope you will show some pictures of your beautiful plants in your neighbourhood ;)
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Thanks to all - it is really early as also some Junos are this year and I am surprised it flowers earlier here than in Israel.
Hans, don't forget you had the first rain at least a month before us.
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Yes Oron, certainly you are right :-[ - very good memory :o ;)
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I was out for some days and really missed lot of 'unburied' treasures ;) ;)
Very good pic of this early Iris Hans, which seems to be very healthy !
Congratulations again .
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Iris atropurpurea is in full bloom in nature!
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Magnificent pictures Miriam !
Please go out for more walks and more of these delightful images !!! :D :D
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poh poh poh !!!!! :o
Superb Miriam, lucky you are to see this beauties in nature.
wonderfull colors, I love the back lighting :P
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I can't upload more pictures :-\
I don't know why...all pictures are less than 500 KB.
I will try again later...
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More pictures...
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they seems to be very similar.
No variation in colors ?
Many thank's Miriam for sharing this jewels.
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You are right Fred, they are quite similar in this species, but if you take a close look you will see a variation:
Some are brighter,some darker, some have red patch and etc...
I will try to take pictures of the orange forms during next week...today they still have not started to flower.
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Super !
Waiting for them...
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Great to see Iris atropurpurea again in flower from Israel and Spain. All are sleeping here in Australia
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More pictures...
Miriam,
Thank you for this nice pictures!
I expect the first flower on I. acutiloba (in my greenhouse) and will send a picture as soon the flower is open.
Hendrik
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Fantastic pictures, Miriam!
Great to see this gems seeing growing in their habitat - hope you will find the orange ones. :D
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Today sunny weather in Belgium, and Iris acutiloba shows his flower...
Hendrik
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Wonderful flower Hendrik !!
Isn't that terribly early ??
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Wonderful flower Hendrik !!
Isn't that terribly early ??
I grow it in frost free alpine house under artificial (LED) light, with extra UV-leds.
Rare plants needs all possible care...
During our dull winters (Belgium) it keeps my onco's compact and hard.
I don't know if it's terribly early; otherwise my Iris sprengeri show his flowers too; this was last year already in January.
Hendrik
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Wow Hendrik :o
Very beautiful form of Iris acutiloba- the veins are very emphasized!
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wonderfull Hendrick !
and very nice foliage too with some crocus background ;D ??
I'm waiting for a new one when completly open....
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wonderfull Hendrick !
and very nice foliage too with some crocus background ;D ??
I'm waiting for a new one when completly open....
Thank you for your lovely comments.
Indeed Fred, in the background stay a pot of Crocus biflorus ssp. nubigena; you can see pictures of it on the Crocus pages.
Best wishes
Hendrik
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Superb Plant, Hendrik!
The early flower also surprises me a bit, - it is one of the last to flower here, normally in April.
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Hi Hans,
It's the first year that I have flowers. I have no explication for this early flowering.
Hendrik
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Hendrik,
the early flowering of your Iris acutiloba might caused in your avanced Lightsystem which could induce the plant to flower earlier than in natural conditions. Your experience with Iris sprengerii points in this direction. :)
When plants are very well feeded they sometimes tend to flower to death, especially fertilizer with high concentration of phosphorus seem to be dangerous. Hardly existing (leafy) stalks could indicate this.
Once I grew an Iris paradoxa which started to flower in November and did not stop until summer - it was to much for this plant and it did not appear again after going dormant. (There is somewhere in this forum a similar report about one plant of Iris afghanica).
Now I feed very carefully and if a single plant has more than ten flowers i become a bit nervous, but fortunately I had lost any of those.
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Hendrik,
Superb photos of a wonderful species. Well done.
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Hans, in my days studying plant nutrition, Phosphate toxicity is a well known and researched problem
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Thanks Brian,
my knowledge about plant nutrition is only very basic. So please feel free to correct me if I am wrong.
Common fertilizer often used for Oncos are those for tomato or even cacti, with relativ low quantity in nitrogen but high in Phosphate and Potassium. This works fine if you grow them on a sandy soil.
On heavy clay (as in my old garden) phosphate remains very stable so fertilisation has to be much more carefully if it is not completly superfluous for those plants. Maybe a Phosphatefree fertilizer would be helpful. ::)
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Hendrik,
the early flowering of your Iris acutiloba might caused in your avanced Lightsystem which could induce the plant to flower earlier than in natural conditions. Your experience with Iris sprengerii points in this direction. :)
When plants are very well feeded they sometimes tend to flower to death, especially fertilizer with high concentration of phosphorus seem to be dangerous. Hardly existing (leafy) stalks could indicate this.
Once I grew an Iris paradoxa which started to flower in November and did not stop until summer - it was to much for this plant and it did not appear again after going dormant. (There is somewhere in this forum a similar report about one plant of Iris afghanica).
Now I feed very carefully and if a single plant has more than ten flowers i become a bit nervous, but fortunately I had lost any of those.
Hans,
The light system could be the reason, but in 2009 I didn't use the Led's and my Iris sprengeri was earlier than this year.
I think that my onco's will always be earlier in Belgium than in other countries; are autumns are relatively warm en humid; even without water gift my onco's emerge already in september...this due the high air humidity. Belgium is not a land for growing such plants, but I can't resist it...
Hendrik
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Belgium is not a land for growing such plants, but I can't resist it...
I am not so sure about that ;)
Many Oncos bloomed here in the past years - but of Iris sprengeri, which is one of my oldest plant I grow never got a flower. It is as other 'northern' species tricky here.
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At least 4 weeks earlier this year, Iris petrana in flower.
I grow vary few Oncos. since my garden is too shady and humid for them but some how this one insists on growing...
This form is also known as I. hieruchamensis,
this name is still used here but apart of blooming a bit earlier and having slightly thinner leaves there is no difference between the two population in the Negev desert and in Jordan.
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Ooooh...... 8)
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.... and me ;D
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Great plant Oron!
Perhaps you should not work so much, so you could take the pictures in normal daylight. 8) ;)
The Israelian petranas seem to vary more in the colour than those of Jordan, which are said to be quite uniformly dark.
Just for comparision some last year pics of an Iris petrana which should come from Jordan - with backlight the flowers get a reddish tone.
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Oron, 4 weeks earlier in your garden... the same in nature ??? ???
Very nice pic,... and I like the light ;)
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Great plant Oron!
Perhaps you should not work so much, so you could take the pictures in normal daylight. 8) ;)
The Israelian petranas seem to vary more in the colour than those of Jordan, which are said to be quite uniformly dark.
Just for comparision some last year pics of an Iris petrana which should come from Jordan - with backlight the flowers get a reddish tone.
Hans, Oron,
Wonderful plants!
Thank you.
There is something I don't understand. Iris petrana grows in Israel in sandy soils at low altitude; the plants I found in the surroundings of Petra (Jordan) were growing at heigh altitude (1500 m) in heavy soil, between calcareous rocks.
Are they the same species?
Hendrik
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Hendrik,
Some scientists suppose they are not the same species like Dr. Michael Avishai and I agree with them.
Here, near Yerocham, Iris petrana (or more correct to say Iris hieruchamensis) has mainly yellow beards and not black ones as appear in Iris petrana in Jordan.
From what I read in books, it might be that Iris petrana (in jordan) was developed from Iris nigricans and Iris hieruchamensis was developed from Iris atrofusca, so they are completely different species.
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Great plant Oron!
Perhaps you should not work so much, so you could take the pictures in normal daylight. 8) ;)
The Israelian petranas seem to vary more in the colour than those of Jordan, which are said to be quite uniformly dark.
Just for comparision some last year pics of an Iris petrana which should come from Jordan - with backlight the flowers get a reddish tone.
Hans, Oron,
Wonderful plants!
Thank you.
There is something I don't understand. Iris petrana grows in Israel in sandy soils at low altitude; the plants I found in the surroundings of Petra (Jordan) were growing at heigh altitude (1500 m) in heavy soil, between calcareous rocks.
Are they the same species?
Hendrik
Hendrik,
The discussion regarding I. petrana/ hieruchamensis lasts for many years and probably will continue for many more years to come...
the relations between some of the white colored Oncos, such as I. bismarckiana and I. hermona for example, as well as some of the dark colored species is not completely resolved yet.
Regarding your question, it is not rare to find bulbous plants of the same species in our area that grow in different elevations and soils.
Just to give other examples, Ixiolirion tataricum grows in company of Iris petrana in Yerucham at about 450m, in pure sand but you can see it in flower as well on Mt. Hermon at 2000m in completely different conditions, the same thing happens with Muscari neglectum, while Muscari commutatum is a record braking, it can be seen near the Dead Sea at minus 350m and again on Mt. Hermon at 1700m.
Hyacinthella, Gagea, Colchicum are also good examples.
The answer might be related to the Syrio-African rift that resulted in long chains of mountains with the Jordan and Arava Vallies and the Dead Sea in the middle, bringing up different stone and soil formats.
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Thanks Hendrik.
Oron thanks for the explanation - Oncos for sure are one of the most complicated sections of Iris in terms of nomenclature - as you mentioned there are many examples - just thinking in Iris hermona, Iris kirkwoodii ssp calcarea and the recent rediscovered Iris westii (in my opinion Iris bismarckiana is more different by flower and the type of growth) or the isolated dark Onco population in the east of Lake Kinneret which has (as I know) been called Iris jordana, Iris haynei var. jordana and Iris atrofusca.
As you mentioned those plants are able to grow in different soils what also might cause a change their appearance.
I also tend to think those Iris petrana of Jordan and Israel look different - more as for example those I mentioned before - maybe I will change my mind when I see them one day in their habitat. ;)
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Oron, Myriam, Hans,
Thank you very much for your information!
Hendrik
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The Negev Desert is just full of flowers at the moment, the two reasons are the good rains we have this year and for the last 10 days, temperatures are much hotter than normal, up to 30c.
As a result many species are in bloom weeks before normal times.
These are the first Iris mariae seen this morning, about 3 weeks earlier.
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Wow, that's about as special as it can be... such large sumptuous flowers on such short stems and tiny foliage. Is it growing in pure sand? Did you find them in variable colors. Stunning!
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Again my thanks for showing us these amazing beauties Oron ! They're simply awesome ! :o
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Awfull oron !!!
pure jewels on pure sand ;D
I just wish you some snow for the next 2 weeks ;) ;D
Plants seems to be covered by sand.... lot of wind ??
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What a lot to learn on this forum but also lots to confuse and trip up.
Thanks so much Oron for the explanation.
As the irises baffle and create discussion between the experts as to the correct species I feel better that I can make mistakes.
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The Negev Desert is just full of flowers at the moment, the two reasons are the good rains we have this year and for the last 10 days, temperatures are much hotter than normal, up to 30c.
As a result many species are in bloom weeks before normal times.
These are the first Iris mariae seen this morning, about 3 weeks earlier.
Wonderful plants and location!
Thank you
Hendrik
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Breathtaking! :o
Oron thank you very much for showing them!
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Very early this year Iris haynei started to flower. One of the flowers is very huge, the standards are about 15 cm long - here a few pictures (as I could not decide which to post ;)).
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Incredible flower Hans !!!
What did you give it to drink ???
Magique potion ?? ;D
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Hans, you keep making me search for new adjectives to describe my amazement ! :o :o
Stunning flowers once again ! And so enormous !
No wonder you couldn't decide which pictures to post ! ;)
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My goodness! What a HUGE flower......it must be hungry..... where are Maria José's little pinschers? It han't eaten them, has it?
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Hans what beautiful photos. Thanks for posting all
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Very early this year Iris haynei started to flower. One of the flowers is very huge, the standards are about 15 cm long - here a few pictures (as I could not decide which to post ;)).
Hans, thank you for the nice pictures of Iris haynei.
Herewith a very much smaller onco: Iris sprengeri, photographed yesterday.
Hendrik
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Superb Hendrick :) and very healthy plant too.
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Another visit to the Negev where the three Oncos are in bloom at the moment: I. mariae, I. atrofusca, I. petrana/hieruchamensis.
I hieruchamensis just never stop to surprise me with its stunning range of colors , here are some samples.
Unluckily there was no sun today so colors are not as bright.
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And the winner....
undoubtedly...the golden one
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Iris atrofusca is much less variable in color,
still it is breathtaking to see this large dark flowers in their natural habitat.
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Oron, I'm going to have to take a nap and rest my eyes :o :o :o :o :o
Amazing color forms and flower shapes on hieruchamensis, the golden one is a special treasure.
I see some variation in the I. atrofusca, the first is more of a mahagony brown-black color, and the last one is... well, BLACK...stunning.
I'll be returning here to feast my eyes again over and over. Thank you for sharing these.
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Oron,
simply breathtaking species! Wow! 8) 8) 8) Thanks for showing us these beauties.
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And the winner....
undoubtedly...the golden one
Oron,
I'm breathless!
Hendrik
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Absolutely stunning Oron - thank you for posting!
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Oron ,
like everyone else on the Forum I am breathless - overcome by the beauty of the the golden I. hieruchamensis and the others - thank you !
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I'm repeating myself and many others here Oron... these are really stunning plants and pictures !! :o :o
Thanks a million for posting them ! :D
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And from the other side of the country ;D:
Here are some pictures from my trip yesterday to Nazareth (Iris bismarckiana) and the Gilboa Mt (Iris haynei).
I was especially amazed to see the population of Iris haynei with many many flowers in many colors (blue, purpule, pink, black and etc...). As the population is more old and established, more unique forms are appearing.
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Some nice forms:
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Iris bismarckiana is not so floriferous species. it mainly increases by vegetative reproduction.
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And more:
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Amazing display!! Miriam and Oron, thank you once again for show us theses botanical relics
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My first thought too, Rafa - amazing display!
Many thanks Miriam.
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Gorgeous flowers Miriam !!!
Thanks for showing them !
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Drooling again Luc! Lovely stuff Miriam.
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Gorgeous pics of some lovely flowers - loved the shot of Iris bismarckiana with the ?burnet moth Miriam!
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Stunning pics, flowers and forms Miriam and Oron !
And many many thank's to share them with all of us.
Nothing else to add, just would like to walk with you :)
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Miriam, thank you for the spectacle of Iris haynei and bismarckiana.. WOW :o :o :o
Tremendous amount of variability in I. haynei. With I. bismarckiana, your photo bism2.jpg shows a rich radially arranged pattern of purple dashes. With bism5.jpg, fine purple lines in the standards and nearly black falls, such incredible variability.
Miriam and Oron, do any of these Iris have a rich juicy scent (I always associate Iris with a strong fruity grape-like perfume)... they look as if they should have a wonderful perfume when sniffing these flowers.
Can any of these Iris be cultivated, under greenhouse conditions perhaps?
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Mark as far as i recall non of these species perfume, the only Iris species to perfume here is I. mesopotamica, which is highly perfumed, and in my opinion the best , something between a Freesia and Polianthes tuberosa.
In order to grow these oncos you need a lot of sun, highly ventilated area, dry, free drainage soil, nerves made of iron and lot of patient unluckily i don't poses any of these requirements... ;)
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Oron, Miriam and Hans, your photographs are truly magnificent showing Oncos in their element in their natural habitat. I have never seen such unusual rich colours and markings in such a clear, fantastic desert light....thanks so much for the images to dream about.
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Glad you enjoyed the pictures :)
Gail,
This is Zygaena graslini. There were many of these flying around.
Mark,
Iris haynei has a nice scent, but only noticeable when you get really close to it.
I know Iris auranitica from Syria has a strong scent.
I will add to Oron's saying about growing Oncos something very important-during summer dormancy, DO NOT water them.
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Miriam you are right i forgot to mention it, but i have to add that our summer starts in April and lasts until well Mid November, that is to say more than 7 months without a drop of water.
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:o WOW :o
Oron and Miriam, thanks for showing these glorious plants in its habitat in such a variation!
Thanks Robin - I think you could not make a better compliment. ;)
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Have been off air for a while with laptop problems hence my slow reply and drooling. Miriam could you please name some of the other plants growing with the Iris haynei on Mt Gilboa.
Do you come across ants and if so what sort where the arils grow as ants are supposed to relish the aril on the seed?
I have replanted this week all the aril rhizomes which I dug up in mid December after fairly good rains (for here). I have added much more gravel around and on top of the rhizomes in the hopes that they can stay insitu for a few years.
What are your thoughts on slow release 12month rose food as a fertilizer on the arils - I was thinking only a light sprinkling. We are on the lime side of neutral. Dolomite thoughts too??
We are having 30C days so have not watered in the arils at all. Most were shooting so I had to get them back in the ground as soon as possible.
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During the last few days, Miriam, Fred [Bulbissime], David Shachak and me met in order to see some of the best colonies of oncos.
Dew to the hotest February recorded in the last 80 years, all Irises have almost finished their blooming season, much earlier than normal.
Today we went to see a very intresting colony of Iris haynei, growing in a semidesert area, a most variable population having much darker colors than the type.
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From there we have continued to the Samaria region to see the stunning Iris samaria [I. lortetii var. samariae], luckily we have found them in peak time.
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You LUCKY people to make this trip!!
Thanks for sharing with us these extraordinarily gorgeous flowers. 8)
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Seems like you all had a good time Oron !
Thanks very much for showing us these beauties !! :D
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Seems like you all had a good time Oron !
Thanks very much for showing us these beauties !! :D
You LUCKY people to make this trip!!
Thanks for sharing with us these extraordinarily gorgeous flowers. 8)
Luc, we had great time together, hopfully more forumists will come to visit us.
Many thanks to Miriam that made for us excellent food and... in large quantities through all the trip. ;)
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Wonderful, thanks for posting Oron.
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From there we have continued to the Samaria region to see the stunning Iris samaria [I. lortetii var. samariae], luckily we have found them in peak time.
Oron, your trip together looks wonderful and the photos are terrific :) it constantly amazes me how a flower as incredibly beautiful and complex as this iris can be so pristine in such a tough looking habitat!
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Oron,
wonderful pictures !!
I hope I'll have some as good as yours....
It was really a nice time all together, sharing the same passion, and eating the so delicious Miriam's food ;)
Tomorrow, let's go to jordan, so I hope to show you some nice other species....
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Wonderful, what a fantastic trip! I am so envious, and Jordan next? I've been looking at the itinerary for the AGS/Greentours trip to Jordan in January and longing to go...
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Indeed, I enjoyed very much from our trip.
Oron- thanks for the entertainment ;D ;)
Fred- thanks for your pleasant company :D
What would you do without me? ??? ::)
I guess you were starved to death ;D :P ;)
First, some pictures from Tirat Zvi: David Shahak took us to see his hybrids that used for cutting flowers.
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Some more pictures from Iris haynei in the Samariae.
As Oron said, this population is very diverse.
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I have not yet decided which Iris is the most beautiful one.
But for sure Iris samariae is one of my favorites.
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REALLY nice to see these fantástic friends and Iris pictures.
This year I haven't a good Iris season, I am extremely bussy and I'm affraid I lost some specie...
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I am absolutely green. To see Tirat Tsvi as well as arils in their natural habitat AND to meet David Shahak - I would personally feel that all my birthdays had come at once.
To finally see a photo of David Shahak too after getting my first seed from him in 1989 :) :) :)
To see the great fields of arils in bloom :o :o
Thank you Oron, Fred and Miriam so much.
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To be in Israel and Jordan when the Iris flower , a dream for many of us . Many thanks to the happy and fortunate trio- Miriam , Oron and Fred to share with us their happy times wandering through the Onco fields (I,m a little envious) and enjoying Miriam,s picnic food.
Pat , have you got your backpack or suitcase packed for our departure to Israel ?
Otto.
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Thanks so much for those fantastic fotos and no doubt you have a great time - so many skilled grower together.... Otto, I am looking for my backpack also. ;)
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Thank you all very much for the beautiful pictures.
Fred, your trip must be fantastic!
Hendrik
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Peter Taggart sent me photo of this nice onco-iris which came up from Iris "sari" seeds. Of course it isn't sari, but may be some of you can help to identify this?
Janis
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Beautiful flower!
Looks like a pale form of Iris gatesii - here some last year pics:
http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3017.msg89748;topicseen#msg89748
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I would say Gatesii.
John B
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Janis,
I think too Iris gatesii.
Hendrik
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While waiting for some more pics from our friends of Oncos in nature here some actual pics of cultivated plants:
Iris kirkwoodii ssp. calcarea
Iris haynei
Iris camillae
Iris damascena
Iris petrana
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Lovely pictures of some very beautiful plants, thanks Hans.
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Hans, such a wonderful selection of Iris - Iris kirkwoodii ssp. calcarea colouring and marking is amazing :)
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Hans,
:o :o :o :o
I had already thought you had been quiet for a while .. just perparing to blow us all off our socks once more.. :D ;)
Well, you just did ! 8)
Wonderful selection and all looking gorgeous - I. kirkwoodii ssp calcarea beats them all though .. :o What an amazing flower !
Thanks a lot for showing !
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My socks have gone too ;D
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My socks have gone too ;D
If that were the only thing.... my hair is hanging from the light fitting! Such flowers.... amazing to think of a garden with these gems!
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I wondered what you were going to say that you'd lost :P
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I wondered what you were going to say that you'd lost :P
Well, I'm not going to mention on a public forum the teeth resting on the top of the picture frame, am I? :-\
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;D
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Thanks Hans - wonderful photos of stunning blooms.
Maggi I hope your hair and teeth have been retrieved!!!
Thanks for the laugh
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well done Hans! any species in your hands could be increased very quickly. I this is very impotant for species like Iris damascena that could be completely extinct in few years...
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Fantastic pictures Hans, and one's more, so perfectly grown.
Your garden should be like Eden now
Congratulations :o
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Came back from Jordan where i have been travelling a few days with a group from the UK.
Luckily we still found two Iris bostrensis in flower in north Jordan, near the border with Syria.
This is probably the only population of this species in Jordan, growing in semi desert conditions, the main population can be seen 40-60 km up north in Syria.
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Going down south from that area direction to Jarash we have seen large populations of intermediate forms between I. bostrensis and I. nigricans, all in full bloom.
Variation in color and leaf form is really huge, seems that there are no 2 plants that look the same.
these are only a few samples.
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Further south in the outskirts of Amman, the glorious I. nigricans in full bloom.
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Truly amazing stuff Oron !! :o :o
Thanks for taking us along on your trip ! 8)
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Thanks Luc, glad i can share these photos with you.
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While waiting for some more pics from our friends of Oncos in nature here some actual pics of cultivated plants:
Iris kirkwoodii ssp. calcarea
Iris haynei
Iris camillae
Iris damascena
Iris petrana
Hans
Seeing your plants, it seems that you grow them better than mother nature, i'm speechless :-X
I. damascena in my opinion is the most beautiful of all oncos :o [at least for this seoson ;)]
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Wow, very interesting population near Jarash!
I thought Iris nigricans grows in more arid zone...
I wish I could see them...maybe next year ;)
You are now an Oncoholic in process, be careful ;D
Hans,
I think soon your plants will become to invaders species in your island ;) ;D
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Gorgeous oron !
I haven't seen I. nigricans near Amman but further south.
I'll post pics soon to compare shapes and colours.
Very nice Iris bostrensis too :)
Hans, I hope I damascena, which should open in the next few days will look as nice as yours. It's an amazing flower.
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You are now an Oncoholic in process, be careful ;D
Naaaa, i still consider my self a Croconut, and prefer much more the tiny bulbs that most people don't even look at... ;)
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While waiting for some more pics from our friends of Oncos in nature here some actual pics of cultivated plants:
Iris kirkwoodii ssp. calcarea
Iris haynei
Iris camillae
Iris damascena
Iris petrana
Hans,
you're always driving me nuts with you perfectly grown super irises and shots. Fantastic!!! Iris kirkwoodii ssp. calcarea is special. The only thing I can say is BRAVO ???
Oron,
Impressive and very nice oncos!!! Thanks a lot for showing. :)
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thank you so much Oron for your photos - superb
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Oron, your Iris pictures are impressive but the picture of Iris nigricans with Ranunculus asiaticus is soooo beautiful.
I love such habitat picures! Thanks for showing.
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Oron,
Your pictures are phantastic. Fortunately oncos are very difficult here and not many growing more or less... Fortunately I'm not more so young... otherwise I will fall in love with them (oh, in any case I have too much of them ???
Janis
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I suscreibe all the commentes, and also it surprise me Iris bostresis out of Syria.
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Further south in the outskirts of Amman, the glorious I. nigricans in full bloom.
Oron, your photos show this fabulous I. nigricans to perfection! What a delight is is mingling with R asiaticus on the slope :)
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Iris swensoniana is flowering now, with a nice violet coulour
as well as I. damascena, bigger flower !
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Beautiful pictures of some fantastic flowers Fred.
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Fred, I like the way you have shown two versions of Iris swensoniana, one with light falling from the side and one with light filtering through it - isn't it wonderful the way the flower can change its guise in this way 8)
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Thank's :)
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Fred,
simply wonderful shots of these beauties. I really envy you, being able to keep these alive and blooming. Excellent job!
Jamie
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Fred,
Congratulation for such success with these rare and endangered species.
Excellent photos with the dark back ground!
Iris damascena is truly stunning :o
Iris swensoniana reminds me off Iris atropurpurea and Iris atrofusca...
Does it grow in an arid zone in Syria?
Anyway, Oncos that grow in arid zones are usualy darker as you have seen ;)
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Formidable Fred !! :o :o
What true miracles of nature !
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Thanks for all the comments. Hope all have warm feet again. ;)
Hans
Seeing your plants, it seems that you grow them better than mother nature, i'm speechless :-X
I still have to check this ;D ;) - but those ones you have shown are really breathtaking :o
@Miriam - I think there is (still) no risk this plants become invaders. ;)
@Rafa - I would wish all species would do as well, but unfortunately they do not - especially the "easy" Iris iberica ssp. elegantissima is tricky here...
In difference Iris damascena is growing fine and I expect first seedlings of this species in autumn (from last years seed).
@Fred - words missing for this beauties - just great :o
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Fred fabulous photos and such jewels.
New growth showing here of arils after some very welcome rain.
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Here is Lycotis open this morning in th rain.
John B
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Here is a better pic after the rain.
John B
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And to show the bed it is growing in.
John B
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Also in this bed is David Shahak's onco hybrid Baraket.
John B
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I have just returned from a trip to Israel, and could not resist looking up some Oncos in between visits to relatives. We are constrained by school holidays in the time we can visit, but luckily arrived back in the UK early Tuesday morning just before the volcanic ash problems.
The first picture is Iris lortetii growing in a reserve north of the Sea of Galilee. This was a plant growing in the wetter (lower) part of the reserve, those growing higher up the hill had less competition from the undergrowth.
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The second picture is a closeup and is interesting to compare this Miriams pics of Iris samariae, or Iris lortetii var. samariae here: http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=4755.msg143993#msg143993 (http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=4755.msg143993#msg143993) Others more qualified than I can argue about the taxonomy.
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We did visit a further Israel Nature and Parks Authority Reserve in the Golan Heights, but it can be a bit difficult to search all the other likely areas!
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On the way south we stopped off at a Reserve on the outskirts of Netanya to look at the habitat of Iris atropurpurea. See Miriams pictures of flowers here: http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=4755.msg133658#msg133658 (http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=4755.msg133658#msg133658) The plants were of course by now well past flowering (two months on), however it may help those of you trying to cultivate to see that they are growing on dunes in pure beach sand which was bone dry, and likely to remain so for many months.
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There was plenty of evidence of seeding - but do not bother to PM me asking for any as we left it all to germinate naturally.
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This reserve is completely surrounded by the encroaching town, and it is worrying to speculate on the future human pressures that this reserve will suffer from in the coming years.
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It was a great trip and many thanks to Oron for his useful advice to me in advance !
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Richard, great shots and thanks for taking those of the habitat. I brings a much fuller picture to mind, as to how these plants actually grow. Very reassuring to see seed pods in the wild, even with an encroaching town.
John,
your arid bed looks great. Mine will hopefully be similarly successful, having had the benefit of seeing yours as it was built (ASI). How much annual rainfall do you get? Are the summers dry or do you protect the bed from summer rain? Altough I. lycotis is oft considered one of the easier Oncos for the garden, I've yet to succeed with it. I suspect my wetter summers are the problem, although, if our current weather is any forwarning, we may have a very dry summer in the Cologne area..
Jamie
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Hi Jamie. According to National Weather Service the average (which I don't put much stock in, the weather
will do what it wants) is 30 inches annually. They say May & June 4in., July, August, & Sept. 3in..
Those summer month totals tho can be just 1 or 2 thunderstorms and the rest of the month hot & dry.
I do not cover the beds. This corner bed I show was the first major Aril sp. bed I made. The one you refer to
in the ASI article is the third. The second one is under a cedar tree & raised 5 inches filled with Moline limestone.
Then there are the 4 Arilbred beds raised 3 to 5 inches with somewhat less gravel mixed with native soil.
Just went out to check and I. sprengeri has just started to unfurl 1 fall. It is cool, cloudy, and chance
of rain today so might not open till tomorrow. I will post a pic when it does. Now I need to go find the Regelia
thread to post pics to.
John
John,
your arid bed looks great. Mine will hopefully be similarly successful, having had the benefit of seeing yours as it was built (ASI). How much annual rainfall do you get? Are the summers dry or do you protect the bed from summer rain? Altough I. lycotis is oft considered one of the easier Oncos for the garden, I've yet to succeed with it. I suspect my wetter summers are the problem, although, if our current weather is any forwarning, we may have a very dry summer in the Cologne area..
Jamie
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Richard,
Very nice pictures!
The leaves of Iris samariae are more wider and falcate, unlike the straight leaves of Iris lortetii.
The flowers of Iris samariae are more larger, but generally Iris lortetii and Iris samariae are very similar.
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And my 2nd. Onco, I.sprengeri. A little petal damage, don't know if it is weather or insect related.
John B
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Great pictures John B. !!! Love your beds ! The onco's seem to feel at home !! ;D ;D
Richard,
Thanks for taking us along on your walks - great job !! 8)
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Beautiful plants John - is your Iris iberica ssp. lycotis always short in size?
Richard thanks for the pics of Israel.
Here some more Oncos are in flower.
Iris kirkwoodii, Iris lortetii, Iris iberica ssp. lycotis, Iris paradoxa and Iris sofarana.
I am specially happy about the last one as it is the first flower of it - think the six years from sowing to get the first flower was worth to wait.
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John,Hans, super photos and plants.Hans sofarana was well worth the wait, my favourite from a batch of beauties!
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Gorgeous flowers Hans and warm congrats to get I. sofarana to flowering size ! I agree with Chris, it's a beauty !
I love the velvety I. paradoxa very much as well ! 8)
Many thanks for showing and look forward to the next batch ! ;)
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Thanks Chris and Luc - most Oncos are over here, but I suppose there will bloom still enough for a new small batch. ;)
Hope to see some more Onco pics from Belgium, France, US and Spain soon... ;) 8)
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Always great to see the arils insitu and also how others manage their growing needs and seeing Hans photos of fabulous blooms.
Thank you so much Miriam for the hint on the differences between samaraie and lortetii leaves - the letter S is wider and 'l' is thin and narrow - my way of remembering!
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Here is my second Sprengeri yesterday and Paradoxa Atrata today.
John B
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John,
the atrata is simply wonderfull. A very smart-looking flower. Did you grow this from seed?
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No Jamie, got it from Bondarenko last year.
John
John,
the atrata is simply wonderfull. A very smart-looking flower. Did you grow this from seed?
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Hans , superbly grown and photographed plants . Hard to pick a favourite from your 5 ,but it has to be Iris sofarana .
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Thanks Chris and Luc - most Oncos are over here, but I suppose there will bloom still enough for a new small batch. ;)
Hope to see some more Onco pics from Belgium, France, US and Spain soon... ;) 8)
Herewith some Onco pics from Belgium.
Other pictures of I. nigricans and I. jordana failed due the difficult colours to picture: black looks purple on the camera and purple looks blue.
It seems that the plants don't want to be photographed or I am not a good photographer.
Hendrik
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Great plants and colors Hendrick !
Iris mariae is wondefull !!!
Some more species flowering today in the french forum part ;D
Iris westii, Iris paradoxa and Iris sari ssp manissadjani
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Exquisite photos Fred with the black background. Do you place a black board behind or ...... to get the effect?
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Yes Pat ! and just add sun and touch of flash light ;)
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Stunning flowers Hendrik and Fred !! :o :o :o
Each and everyone of them is a work of art ! ;) :D
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Hendrik and Fred - your plants look so healthy and not weatherbeaten at all - the advantage of covering them.
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Pat, my are not covered at all at the moment ! Only during winter and summer.
But I will follow Hendrick for some species that I'd like to try in the glasshouse with artificial light next season.
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Fantastic plants from all,
Fred,
Chapeaux pour la I. westii !!!
I think you are the only one to grow it ???
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Thank's Oron,
but I don't think I'm the only one to grow it as this plant comes from Josef MAYR.
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And today Barnumae has opened.
John B
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Great plants and colors Hendrick !
Iris mariae is wondefull !!!
Some more species flowering today in the french forum part ;D
Iris westii, Iris paradoxa and Iris sari ssp manissadjani
Your plants are great too Fred!
Herewith some new pictures taken this morning.
Hendrik
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Herewith a picture of a very nice onco.
I've received this plant two years ago under the name I. kirkwoodii ssp. calcarea.
As you can see, not correct. I think it s a hybrid. Any idea?
Thanks in advance
Hendrik
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I would say it looks like an hybrid with I. paradoxa, but no more....
Hendrick, your plants are superb !
Are they growing under ledlights ?
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Hans , superbly grown and photographed plants . Hard to pick a favourite from your 5 ,but it has to be Iris sofarana .
I agree, sofarana just has it but I love them all, good flowers John!
Here is my first onco of the season :) opend yesterday, I bought the plant over four years ago, this is its first flower though it has grown well each year. Should have some more today.
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I would say it looks like an hybrid with I. paradoxa, but no more....
Hendrick, your plants are superb !
Are they growing under ledlights ?
Fred,
Thank you.
They stay no longer under LED-lights.
Three weeks ago I have stopped with this extra light.
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very very nice one Peter !!
You allways have to be VRY patient with Onco, like with many other plants ;) ;D
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More wonderful photos of superbly grown arils Hendrik and Peter - many thanks for sharing
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Hendrik, Fred, Peter and John - now it is me who is blown off my socks! :o
Thanks for showing all those superb grown plants!
Hendrik, the pointed falls of your plant could point to a hybrid with Iris acutiloba lineolata, I made the cross Iris kirkwoodii X Iris paradoxa but will not get any flower until next year.
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Great plants everyone!
Hendrik,
Very beautiful form of Iris nigricans!
Fred,
Seeing your Iris westii without leaves in the picture, I would say it is Iris hermona :P
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Herewith a picture of a very nice onco.
I've received this plant two years ago under the name I. kirkwoodii ssp. calcarea.
As you can see, not correct. I think it s a hybrid. Any idea?
Thanks in advance
Hendrik
Could it be an hybrid between Iris iberica and Iris kirkwoodii?
Congratulations everyone for such a great success growing oncos. It is fantastic to see how such these endangered speices are increased successfully in private gardens, because it could mean a valuable botanical material when help and collaboration will be needed by environmental instituions or authorities to recover wild populations.
Such as Iris damascena, almost extinct, as Thomas Fiezt mentioned in some articles, I think it's important to keep alive these kinds of species far from virus and hybridazing projects, this botanical evolution relics.
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My second onco of the season, I have been growing this for six or seven years. It has only flowerd for three years, I should like a name for it, I think the falls are the wrong shape for sari
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A brown form of Iris sofarana ssp kasruwana
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Fabulous Fred, flowers like that are what makes it worth the trouble :)
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Fred you are a fantastic photographer :D :D
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Thank you but It's easy : just take time and you will get good pictures.
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Stunning !!!! :o :o :o
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Time and a good flower are needed Fred - some can be slightly twisted or an insect has chomped out a hole and then it can be hard to get the best angle. The black background too helps.
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Again, Superb!!
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A few species flowering in Belgium at the moment:
Iris iberica ssp elegantissima
Iris paradoxa var. atrata
Iris sari ssp manissadjianii
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Amazing collections so many of you Forumists have! 8)
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Fantastic Luc !!
I. iberica ssp elegantissima is stuning, and I'm jealous because I don't have success with it... I never got any flower and this is one of my favourite ones ??? :'(
How do you grow it ??
Your I. sari manissadjani looks quite different from mine, so I have to make some more investigations about this species....
Iris antilibanotica is flowering now
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Amazing Fred, Luc, I am quite coveteous of your elegantissima and antilibanotica,
here are my 3rd and 4th onco species to flower this year, and please correct me if I get any names wrong. I think they are I jordana, it is flowering for the 2nd time in three years, and sari in another form flowering its first time for me bought one or two years ago :)
Peter
P.S. found that this is not jordana but lycotis and I have amended the name on the picture.
Peter
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I agree with your species names Peter !
Great plants !
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Thanks Fred, my plants are not as good as yours yet, but I'm working on it!
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Fred, Luc and Peter - thanks for showing such wonderful pictures of stunning plants - Fred the quality of your pictures is out of this world. :o
Luc, do not know how Freds I. sari manissadjani looks like, but also this I am growing (ex Ruksans) is different to yours - darker and much smaller. I envy your results with Iris iberica ssp. elegantissima - here it is a delicate plant and very shy flowering.
Peter - I normally tend to agree with Fred ;), but I am not sure about your Iris jordana - without reading the name my first thought was Iris iberica ssp lycotis.
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Well Hans, my manissadjani is page 12 :) and is also from Ruksans !!!
Here is Iris jordana, and now, I think Peter's plants could be something else, as the falls are quite different.
Where does your plant come from ?
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I see that Hendrik also pictures a form of manissadjani further down page 12 from Freds.... :-\
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Luc, do not know how Freds I. sari manissadjani looks like, but also this I am growing (ex Ruksans) is different to yours - darker and much smaller. I envy your results with Iris iberica ssp. elegantissima - here it is a delicate plant and very shy flowering.
My plant came form Janis R. with collection N° BATM353 (Gurun Turkey). Janis says that the wild plants are very variable.
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Fantastic Luc !!
I. iberica ssp elegantissima is stuning, and I'm jealous because I don't have success with it... I never got any flower and this is one of my favourite ones ??? :'(
How do you grow it ??
Fred,
The plants are planted in mesh baskets (the type used in ponds) so that the roots can penetrate the surrounding compost. All compost is very sandy/gritty. The frame with the baskets is about 40cm deep and made inside a standard glasshouse (2x8 m). About 30% of the sides are open to give good ventilation.
Last winter these plants were not protected from the frosts we had.
I stop watering the moment the leaves show brown tips to give the plants the dry summer dormancy they need. The compost dries out in about 3-4 weeks.
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This is an other Iris paradoxa I grow.
Can I call it I. paradoxa var. atrata ??
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I prefer Iris paradoxa, nothing else to add ;)
When we see plants in the wild, we could give them hundreds of var, form, cv.... labels... I think it's too much in most of cases.
But you know, it's only my point of vue ;D
Anyway, tank's Luc for all your cultural informations
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Does anybody have measured the Onco roots length in culture ?
And check if most of them will die in the summer or remain dormant and still alive, to elongate more next season ?
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Fred,
I have just planted out some potted arils and noted that the plants seem to grow a new root system each season. The previous years roots were still there, but desicated and dead. They seem to only act as an anchor after their season. Also, although I am not 100% sure, there seems to be two seasons of root growth; the first in Winter, as the plant comes into growth, and a second as the new growths start to develope in the late winter and early spring.
Just some observations,
Jamie
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I agree with Jamie with the early autumn root growth but as mine are then planted I am not digging up any to check roots again in late winter. Some roots seem to over summer a little too. As I dug up about half of my arils last November I have noticed that those left insitu and under the raised galvanised iron sheeting have come back well and in more growth than the dug arils.
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Does anybody have measured the Onco roots length in culture ?
And check if most of them will die in the summer or remain dormant and still alive, to elongate more next season ?
I'm not sure what you are asking ??you grow these plants so well - the roots stay live through the summer and sustain the plant, then it grows new roots below each growing tip as soon as there is some moisture and some cold nights. Then the old roots die off. As soon as the top growth begins the new roots develop smaller feeder roots and this continues after any winter dormancy untill the summer dormancy. With lifted rhizomes early replanting allows more time to grow the missing root system.
The plants can be divided and /or replanted at any time if the roots are not allowed to dry and are kept COOL and moist -automnal but frost free, to stimulate regeneration. Surely it is the same as for bearded iris.
All my oncos are in pots, about 15 varieties, and I never let the bottom of the plunge get dry below the pots, I repot every plant the 2nd week of August, the new roots start then, and the old ones are fading.
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Thank's all for your observations !
I'll check it with some plants this year as I don't replant them every year but only every 4 or 5 years.
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Fred, Luc and Peter - thanks for showing such wonderful pictures of stunning plants - Fred the quality of your pictures is out of this world. :o
Luc, do not know how Freds I. sari manissadjani looks like, but also this I am growing (ex Ruksans) is different to yours - darker and much smaller. I envy your results with Iris iberica ssp. elegantissima - here it is a delicate plant and very shy flowering.
Peter - I normally tend to agree with Fred ;), but I am not sure about your Iris jordana - without reading the name my first thought was Iris iberica ssp lycotis.
Thanks Hans, I think you are right with your guess of lycotis, the falls are too big to fit the pictures of jordana and they are concave. unfortunately the label seems to be burried below the plant. If it is lycotis it is the first time it has flowerd since I bought it some years ago. I will have to check invoices. More recently I bought Iris jordana, so I assumed this was I jordana.
Here are two more oncos which opend today
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Nice iris barnumae. My plants are too small to flower yet. It's worth the wait.
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Thanks Luc, I bought this one last year, two clones, this is half of one of them. so I can't claim too much credit. I always divide if I can since I lost a big clump of I stenophylla and one of persica to virus :'(
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One of the last species to flower here this year is Iris cedretii, with studio black or white background ;)
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Bravissimo Fred !!
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Great pictures, Fred!
A Iris kirkwoodii clone flowered here for the first time, the shape of the falls is interesting.
Also one the latest Oncos, Iris gatesii, started with the first flower on my largest clump - 21 more to come. :D
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Both are fantastic plants ans pictures Hans !
How old is your I. gatesii clump ? Only one clone ??? or several to get seeds... ;)
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Congratulations on cedrettii Fred :), wish I could see your clumps of gatesii and kirkwoodii forms for real Hans :)
I think this is I darwasica, which opend today :D. kirkwoodii and gatesii will be in about a week 8)
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Peter, if it's really I. darwasica, it's a fantatstic clone !
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Hi Peter. I don't think it is darwasica. Looks like an RC hybrid to me.
John B
Congratulations on cedrettii Fred :), wish I could see your clumps of gatesii and kirkwoodii forms for real Hans :)
I think this is I darwasica, which opend today :D. kirkwoodii and gatesii will be in about a week 8)
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Peter,
I have to agree with John, the species should have a non-marked stand, no veining. I suspect that it was one of the parents, though. The foliage is correct for the species.
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Thanks Fred and Peter :)
Fred, I have several clones of Iris gatesii, but looks the other will not bloom this year. ::)
Here a picture of the plant.
Peter, your Iris could be Tubergens 'Thor'.
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I remember this clump with the stone wall !
It's getting bigger and bigger every year, congratulations :o
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Wonderful plants everyone !!
I love'em all ! ;D ;D
Thanks for sharing !
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Thanks Fred and Peter :)
Fred, I have several clones of Iris gatesii, but looks the other will not bloom this year. ::)
Here a picture of the plant.
Peter, your Iris could be Tubergens 'Thor'.
The plant had lost its label, I'll call it "?Thor" for now, thanks
peter
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Peter I would say either Dardanus or Teucros.
John B
Congratulations on cedrettii Fred :), wish I could see your clumps of gatesii and kirkwoodii forms for real Hans :)
I think this is I darwasica, which opend today :D. kirkwoodii and gatesii will be in about a week 8)
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Peter I would say either Dardanus or Teucros.
John B
I think this is I darwasica, which opend today :D. kirkwoodii and gatesii will be in about a week 8)
[/quote]I should have dardanus somewhere with a label on it in which case the mystery might be cleard up if it flowers, havent seen a flower on it for some years -it is what comes of moving house with 2000 pet plants!!!
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Very good job guys, splendid Iris season :o
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Here is the last Arilbred-flower for this season:
As you can see, it is heavily virused and now it can be found deep in the trash can ;D
As I said before, if an Iris is suspected to be virused (like in this case when the leaves look quite fine), the most clear sign to a virus is the striped flower!
The virus can be noticed easily by looking at the flower; the virus causes to unsymmetrical "smearings" of color.
In this case, the bracts were also striped.
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Oups !
Good idea to put it in the bin ;)
Keep clean your species Miriam, it's more importrant than hybrids...
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You are right Fred, I am done with hybrids!
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During a trip to Georgia I was able to spot Iris iberia on the route from Tbilisi to the border with Azerbaijan.
This species looks very well to the Turkish Iris iberica ssp. elegantissima, but is more compact.
Enjoy the locality and some close-ups.
Hendrik
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Hendrick,
you makes me crazy !!!
What a beauty ! you should have had a wonderfull trip isn't it ??
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Hendrick,
Fabulous photos - thamks for showing their growing conditions and associated plants
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Hendrik !
:o :o :o :o
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Iris antilibanotica again, under rain :'(
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You keep amazing me Fred.
Wonderful flower !
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Stunning Fred - even with the rain drops. :D
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hello,
i´m new here, my favourite plants are alpines from greece, türkey and iran.....here my oncos in flower, elegantissima and sari...
regards
chris
(http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt188/yuccajoe/Bild004-38.jpg?t=1273879615)
(http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt188/yuccajoe/Bild007-33.jpg?t=1273879672)
(http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt188/yuccajoe/Bild008-28.jpg?t=1273879705)
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Hi Chris, welcome to the Forum....you will find many of us with a liking for the plants from your favourite places, too!
Beautiful Irises.... where do you live that you can grow these outside?
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Oh, I am being slow.... "Christian Pfalz".... you are from the Rhineland Pfalz, eh?! :) So, south-west Germany... pretty good weather ?
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Christian,
You have grown these arils supurbly. Congratulations on them.
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Christian , superb opengrown oncos , excellent photos !Hope you will post more photos in the future of your alpines and bulbs from Turkey , Iran etc.
and Welcome to this wonderful FORUM ,
Otto.
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Christian, welcome to the forum.
Wonderful Onco's you have there. You grow them outside? Which conditions (soil, humidity) do you give them?
Wim.
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Congratulations again Christian, and Welcome ;D
Superbs plants and pictures, well grown and healthy. I'm also interested in you growing conditions...
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Christian,
welcome aboard! You're going to love this forum. Are you really in Pfalz, or is this simply your last name?
Jamie
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Last species ( but not least ;) ) to flower here will be Iris auranitica; one of the showiest ( my opinion ) and the most fragrant species !
Unfortunately, also one of the most difficult to grow because it rots very very easily
As usual, you'll get in in White and black ;D
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Christian,
Welcome and congratulations!
Fred,
I prefer the one with the black background ;)
Iris auranitica is like a pure gold :o
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hello all,
big thanks....i live in rheinland pfalz, south west germany, very good conditions and dry and hot summers.
my plant stay in sandy soil southside, under a big pinus pinea. only rain protection from november till march.
my iris are in combination with eremurus olgae, acantholimons, astragalus, ophrys etc. my inspiration for oncos arise at a visit by josef mayr in munich. these two species is the beginning. since last year i´ve got onco nigricans from jordan, at the same conditions, looks very well, but it doesn´t bloom this year.
regards
chris
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hello,
here some new pics from today...onco seed ?
(http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt188/yuccajoe/Bild002-33.jpg?t=1273929757)
iris nigricans
(http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt188/yuccajoe/Bild003-50.jpg?t=1273929794)
a few from my stony bed, with cushion from astragalus, acantholimon and other xeric plants...
(http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt188/yuccajoe/Bild004-48.jpg?t=1273929979)
regards
chris
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Very nice bed, and be carefull, you'll got the Onco virus,... the good one ;D
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Hello Christian. Give it at least a week to see if the pod starts to develope. Unless you hand pollinated it
I doubt anything will come.
John B
hello,
here some new pics from today...onco seed ?
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hi john,
thanks...
regards
chris
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Hello friends. I was lining out some onco seedlings today from spring 2009 forced germination and
thought I would show some pics. Also a pic of a pod on paradoxa atrata. This was pollinated with
the pollen I saved and froze from the first atrata that bloomed. This is the last atrata bloom this year
and was pollinated on May 1, this pic is from May 7. I also have a pod on this Oyez bloom from atrata
pollen.
John B
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Thanks John for the photos.
The first flower on Iris planifolia - the darkest in the clump. It started flowering last weekend and this was taken of that flower yesterday. I also dropped some different coloured gravel around the dark flower so later I will know which is which.
Just realised this is the onco thread :-\
But the other is one of the oncos - ex Harald Mathes seed. Clump is doing really well. Touch wood!
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Welcome Chris to this wonderful forum! A very good start... ;)
Fred - words are missing - Iris auranitica is really a stunner!
John, glad to see your results in forced germination - which was your percentage in resulting seedlings from cutted seeds?
Not sure if the last ones here, and much more common thon those Fred showed ;) - but also wonderful plants:
Iris paradoxa 'Sevan' and Iris paradoxa choshab
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nice pictures Chris John, Hans, Fred, and welcome Chris,
This is a seedling which I grew by forced germination of I kirkwoodii. both the two seeds I had of this germinated but one failed to develop properly after being potted. The plant is two and a half years old and was split into two pots last year.
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Only have a couple Oncos, but they no longer flower. Here's an arilbred that does very well, this year getting much taller than in previous years, Iris 'Lancer'. I include one photo from 2008 that shows the flower well, and a very recent photo.
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I think Lancer got an award of garden merit from Wisley, I am sure it was trialed successfully in the open ground there anyway
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Hans, your Choshab is wonderfull !
I still never got a flower from it... :'(
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Iris paradoxa 'Sevan' and Iris paradoxa choshab
Masterpieces in design and elegance - beautifully grown Hans :)
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So good to see these wonderful oncos all who posted photos.
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An onco seedling, AB (branched) X Iridescent Orange. You can see the orange blush on the column.
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Wonderful stuff everyone !
Hans - the Paradoxas are out of this world !!
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yes Hans, how do you make the flowers pose so tidily? your pictures are great.
Iris gatesii finaly in bloom here ;D
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Great Iris to finish with ;)
I have never seen any pictures of this species in its natural habitat- that must to be breathtaking...
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It must be awsome Mirriam.
I've still got a bud or two to come :P there is a paradoxa dragging its heels! can any one tell me how to distinguish Iris paradoxa ssp paradoxa from ssp atrata? my plants look the same, a great gene pool but which one and which do I lack?
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Yuval Sapir posted this on the arilrobin.
http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/news/jewish-national-fund-squaring-off-against-green-group-over-gilboa-iris-1.292044
Disturbing news - once again.
As concerned people from overseas what can we do Miriam and Oron?
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Hi Pete. Here is a pic of paradoxa from Ken Walker and one of atrata by me this year. Brian Mathew
says "(forma atrata) which has blackish-violet standards as well as the falls".
John B
It must be awsome Mirriam.
I've still got a bud or two to come :P there is a paradoxa dragging its heels! can any one tell me how to distinguish Iris paradoxa ssp paradoxa from ssp atrata? my plants look the same, a great gene pool but which one and which do I lack?
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Well in that case this one should qualify as Iris paradoxa atrata! :) it is nearly black, Pictures taken today and yesterday
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What a gorgeous flower Peter !!!! :o :o
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Thanks Luc, It's a prime target to 'bulk up' don't you agree :P
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Definitely Peter - if ever they outgrow the pot... you might have no trouble at all to find a home for the spares... ;D ;D
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I would say so Peter. What Ruksans calls "Sevan" may be the same thing. I have it but not bloomed yet.
John B
Well in that case this one should qualify as Iris paradoxa atrata! :) it is nearly black, Pictures taken today and yesterday
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Hans A and I have both pictured plants of Janis's 'Sevan' so I would say so but neither are as dark as this
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Wonderful paradoxas :) :) :)
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very nice form !
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hi, iris elegantissima with a second late flower stem for this year...
(http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt188/yuccajoe/Bild003-66.jpg?t=1275654594)
cheers
chris
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What a promising picture of a beautiful flower to follow. Well done.
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hi, today the flower is open...
(http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt188/yuccajoe/Bild026-3.jpg?t=1275908211)
(http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt188/yuccajoe/Bild004-67.jpg?t=1275908250)
(http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt188/yuccajoe/Bild003-68.jpg?t=1275908267)
cheers
chris
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hi, onco-snapshot...
(http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt188/yuccajoe/Bild008-55.jpg?t=1276112140)
cheers
chris
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Chris your closeup is one of the joys of growing arils. Why would mother nature have her paint brush out to create flowers with dots and lines? ??? :D
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Great flowers all!
Long gone here, though great excitement as Vera Olivia has set seed!
3 clumps and maybe 40 flowers, crossed with anything that was flowering
at the same time has yielded 10 seeds!
Two years time, with luck, to see the offspring flower........
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Marcus has sent me a pic to post ; he writes "could you post the pics I sent just now on SRGC Forum. I might have beaten Pat to the punch with one of her own plants!!"
cheers
fermi
on behalf of Marcus
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Yes Marcus is ahead of me in posting - I hope to have a couple of spikes to take to a talk tomorrow. Hope they open in the warm car.
Took 4 spikes to Renmark to David Ruston on Friday - two had opened and the other two I hope were far enough advanced to open up.
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Does anybody have measured the Onco roots length in culture ?
And check if most of them will die in the summer or remain dormant and still alive, to elongate more next season ?
here are some pictures I took yesterday while repotting Iris petrana, it got some rain in the last 10 days while it was waiting or there would not have been quite so much root. The old roots are visable in one picture
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the finished result, will be waterd once or twice, with insecticide, before mid winter and the sand plunge kept slightly damp
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And a similar series for an Iris sari, note the roots which escaped through the bottom of the pot which sustained some top growth through the summer. the pot was shatterd in the heavy frost last winter
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Iris sari cleaned and ready to repot
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the finished result, will be waterd once or twice, with insecticide, before mid winter and the sand plunge kept slightly damp
Very instructive Peter ! :D
... and my goodness, what a wonderful pot ! :o
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Thanks Luc,
I hope it helps some one. I will try to post some of one that has been drier. If you look at the sari roots you can see they are branching, I think they are best potted berfore this happens.
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Peter those roots are so so healthy and long. What is in your mix?
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Hi Pat, as best I can remember the mix I made up this year is as follows,
30 sacks of loam/ subsoil, 20 sacks of horticultural 6mm grit, 10 sacks of 2 - 3 mm round grit, 1/2 sack 0 - 2 mm carboniferous limestone rock dust, 5kg 4:2:8 NPK organic fertilizer, 2 kg bonemeal, 2kg calcified seaweed (NB I think the N:P:K numbers are calculated diferently in different countries) in all making about 2200 lieters of compost, (1sack =about 30 ltrs), rhizomes are dusted with dolomitic lime and posiably bordeaux mixture (copper sulfate). Each year I wait to see if I've got my sums right when the plants start to grow. There is extra grit and gravel around the rhizomes and as top dressing.
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Peter, those really are industrial quantities, do you use a mixer? One of these days you must post some pictures of your growing set up I'm sure there is lots for us all to learn.
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Peter, may I enquire where you purchase your 1/2 sack 0 - 2 mm carboniferous limestone rock dust in Derbyshire?
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I wish I had more room David, then I would use a mixer. As it is, i just use my own broken back! It's mixed in a corner by the back door with a shovel.
The carboniferous rock dust is from Derbyshire Aggregates, between Youlgrave and Pikehall, so is the grit and gravel.
Peter, may I enquire where you purchase your 1/2 sack 0 - 2 mm carboniferous limestone rock dust in Derbyshire?
Chem pak then Vitax produced the dolomitic dust but I can't get it now. I am being ecconomic with what I've got left so I should be glad of a source, or i shall have to take up rock crushing in my spare time
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Interesting - wonder if there is a possibility of getting some of these ingredients in Oz.
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Iris kirkwoodii roots which have been kept a bit drier than the petrana and sari in previous posts. you can see the dead brown roots and the paler new roots grown at the base of the new rhizomes at end of flowering. These are about to grow side roots ( there are a couple) as soon as there is some moisture, which will also stimulate more main roots from below the growing tips
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Peter,
nice to see how you deal with your Oncos/Regelias. In general you are always cutting soil with at least 50% gravel, of mixed grades, but no fine sand, if I am seeing this correctly. This is what I did in my beds in the early Spring. Hoping to start another one next month. The bed is now showing a lot of new growth, after the heavy rains. I just hope it proved dry enough in the Summer for some of the more delicate plants.
As to dolomite powder, try a potter's supply, as in ceramics. I used to teach ceramics and often used powdered dolomite in glazes (still do). I get it here, from the local ceramics region (Westerwald), as well a chalk, lava and a few other goodies. Very cheap in the 20-25 kilo sack. Also, something I've not tried but consdiered, is using schamotte from them. This is burned clay used to give softer clays more grip and texture. It is less porous than the typical clay pellets used for hydroponics and may have better drainage qualities.
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Try again to post this message.
In order of appearance: an aril patch budding up
top view of a 2001 cross
a mariae hybrid cross
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Wow, an aril patch! :o :o I'm envious.
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your turn to show us how to do it Pat :o 8) :o
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I am still learning - started growing them in 1989 from seed. Some arils do well but others from higher elevations do not do so well. This year we have had a bit too much cold and drizzling rain but at least most of winter was fairly dry - for once. The tips of the leaves always end up brown but at least they flower and mainly keep going from year to year. Touch wood. Our hot dry summers help too. I do not fertilize much so I never get such root growth as Peter has shown. Much more modest root growth. I have tried them in pots with not much success so I thank my lucky stars that I live in a good climate that seems to suit them.
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We're patient people Pat ! 8)
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i started to grow them nine years ago, If you look the fertilizer is not high in nitrogen. I used not to repot much, I got a slow steady increace and very rarely a fan strong enough to flower. From what I read, if they are well fed there is a lot of bloom then the plant collapses.
Growing in pots where the roots are restricted, I try to build up a big root system in a very open compost where there is plenty of nutrient- (which soon washes out of such a mix), and then the moisture levels can be reduced very quickly, hopefully pre empting any problems before the plant gets too lush
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Pat, wonderful patches and plants :o - I see I need a larger garden ::)
Peter - great pictures - never digged so deep to lift any Onco.
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The aril patch that I photographed the other day has advanced. Actually they are aril species hybrids - not straight species which I would love to have a patch this big but I am grateful for anything that will grow here.
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Pat, I hope you will post another picture in one or two weeks - sight has to be breathtaking!
Here some seedlings,
an Iris kirkwoodii germinated in autumn 2009 which stayed green in summer and did not stop growing.
Iris camillae is one of my key species - now rare in cultivation and as I know only in very few clones - so every new seedling is more than welcome - on the left side one which germinated in 2009 and on the right side the first Oncoseedling for 2010 for me.
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Great Hans,
Onco seedlings are allways welcome isn't it ?
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congratulations Hans on the I camillae seedlings :), I hope they grow well and flower together :D
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Thanks Fred, every single seedling is a joy; there are still many pots with no germination so far, adding those where last years germinated the first seedlings, i am sure I will enjoy this autumn very much. ;)
Thanks Peter, I hope so - next year four clones should flower - two of them will do it for the first time, I am very curious about their colouration.
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Very exciting prospect Hans and many congrats with the new babies 8)
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This aril species hybrid has lost its tag. Taken late afternoon. So many will be opening in the next few days - I will pray for less rain so that I might do some pollinating.
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That is a beauty Pat, and very close to a species in appearance. I am horrified to find that the Iris subject altogether had disappeared of my radar, with no thread being notified, for many many week or more. I wouldn't have seen this if you hadn't mentioned it in the Southern Hemisphere thread so thanks for that. Now I have to go back through the whole thread and then start on Junos followed by the others. Only the reticulata thread has been visible for me. No wonder I have felt deprived! ::)
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Some little gremlins must have interfered Lesley with the iris threads ???
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Yes, I think so Pat. A couple of times I've had the hard drive to the computer shop and both times it came back with me having to register and login again and quite a lot got lost in translation, so to speak. So I have to go back just about though all threads and re notify.
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A few of the aril species hybrids flowering yesterday.
The dark purples seem to have a lot of Iris haynei in them.
A couple of very happy little chappies buzzing around and ....pollinating????
Also a shot of the aril and juno beds - something has been munching quite a few leaves and stems to ground level. I think it must be a parrot of some sort as the leaves are left lying where they fell - hence the wire netting over part of the bed.
I will upload a couple of juno photos too.
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0434 = Iris jordana or haynei x Iris samariae dark form - love the dark rimmed red signals and the smokey standards
0442 = Iris hermona hybrid x Iris hermona hybrid (yellow form) - the fine purple lines on the yellow are outstanding
0022 = Iris mariae x Iris haynei hybrid (dark)
Iris kirkwoodii x Iris atropurpurea HMT ex SIGNA - buds with lots of promise - I started with four seeds of this one.
19 = Iris hermona hybrid dark form ex David Shahak many years ago.
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Stunning flowers Pat !!
Well done !
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Pat, this selection of Iris flowering for you is a feast for the eyes and 0442 is stunningly beautiful :)
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Lucsious, delicious flowers Pat and great to see the bees at work too. :D
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After thunder, lightning and rain all day I took a few photos this evening
19 = Iris hermona hybrid dark form ex Shahak
21 = Iris hermona hybrid yellow form ex Shahak
0157 = Iris hermona hybrid yellow form x Iris samariae hybrid - both ex Shahak seed
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Iris sari cleaned and ready to repot
Thank's Peter for all this pics !
here are the Iris auranitica roots, grown in pure lava, not so long as those grown in pots with more soil ( about 30 cm long instead of 10 )
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Wonderfull disply Pat :o
Nice to see lots of David Shahack old hybrids, but I still prefer species ;D
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Great healthy plants, Pat!
Here another rootexample:
A few weaks ago I lifted an Iris gatesii - clump to make some divisions. Actually many Oncos started growing .
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Not so long roots hans.
Which kind of soil do you use, as I think when lot of gravels are used, roots are shorter than with more soil ( my experience )
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I grow it in a heavy clay with a lot of gravel. As there are a lot of other plants near by it was not possible to dig deeper (and for sure many roots are still in the soil).
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Iris gatesii ' a la plancha ' should taste very good ;D
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:D
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Hi folks. Just took an inventory and here is what are coming out of dormancy so far.
Established and newly planted clumps.
Barnumae, Damascena, Elegantissima, Kirkwoodii, and Sari.
First year seedlings from last spring.
Lortetii. - 1
1 year seedlings from spring 2009.
Paradoxa - 2
Sari - 1
Urmiensis - 4
Acutiloba x Choschab - 2 attached is a picture of one of these that has 2 increase already!!!
Dardanus x Choschab - 2
3 year seedling
Sofarana - 1
Also have 4 I. Scariosa one year seedlings, 1 of which has 4 increase on it, and 1 newly germinated seedling.
Waiting for more to show up.
John B
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What a fantastic list John. I'm really looking forward to the pictures, in due course. ;D
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Yes a fantastic list of seedlings John. YOu have certainly scoured the world for seeds :)
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Hi Pat. I'm hoping the Atrofusca, Atropurpurea, Choschab, Kirkwoodii, and Haynei wake up.
John
Yes a fantastic list of seedlings John. YOu have certainly scoured the world for seeds :)
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Good luck John, very nice list :D
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Good luck John, very nice list :D
yes a super list John :o, good luck
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Very fine list, John!
Do you germinate all seedlings by forced germination?
See your plants are advanced - here two new seedlings for this season (both camillae) and of my flowering sized plants only those started to grow which were watered ('northern species bed') - all the southern species are still dormant.
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Hi Hans. All but some paradoxa seedlings are from forced germination.
John
Very fine list, John!
Do you germinate all seedlings by forced germination?
See your plants are advanced - here two new seedlings for this season (both camillae) and of my flowering sized plants only those started to grow which were watered ('northern species bed') - all the southern species are still dormant.
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Very fine list, John!
Do you germinate all seedlings by forced germination?
See your plants are advanced - here two new seedlings for this season (both camillae) and of my flowering sized plants only those started to grow which were watered ('northern species bed') - all the southern species are still dormant.
Hans,
Do you agree that it's better to keep the plants dormant as long as possible?
So, first watering is given by me at the end of september; after watering the plants show very quick their growing tips; with lower temperatures in octobre/novembre plants stop growing for winter;
to much foliage in winter is not good because the lack of sunshine (here in Belgium).
Hendrik
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Hello Hendrik,
i agree with you, in Belgium, Britain or Germany you have a lack of sunshine in winter so it is better to give the plants very little (or none) water during winter and it might be the best to slow down their growth as much as possible.
My conditions are quite different - there is enough sun and best air circulation - so the growingrate does not have any importance. The problem is water to the wrong time. My observation is the northern species have not many problems and react directly after watering - southern species are more delicate especially when there are still high temperatures, fungi and/or bacteria react much faster than the rhizome and might destroy the plant before it starts growing.
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I agree, especially with species such as I. auranitica which is, in my opinion, the most rot sensible before growth starting.
I also grow some species in the greenhouse for the first time, and started watering them yesterday... let's see how they will react, but some are already starting to grow.
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Hello Hendrik,
i agree with you, in Belgium, Britain or Germany you have a lack of sunshine in winter so it is better to give the plants very little (or none) water during winter and it might be the best to slow down their growth as much as possible.
My conditions are quite different - there is enough sun and best air circulation - so the growing rate does not have any importance. The problem is water to the wrong time. My observation is the northern species have not many problems and react directly after watering - southern species are more delicate especially when there are still high temperatures, fungi and/or bacteria react much faster than the rhizome and might destroy the plant before it starts growing.
I have more problem with this heat on the rhizomes in spring, I try to counteract it by having the rhizomes deep in gravel to insulate them from heat and by watering the sand or the edge of the pots only, so as not to get water on the rhizome. while it is cool I just tip water over the lot, or leave them in the rain to start growing in autome. If I leave them untill October /November to start, I get poor root growth untill the spring and they try to rot in December and January. I give them a very little water at this time.
I find that bacterial rot may be stoped very quickly with a drench of water containing chlorine (bleach)
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Hello Hendrik,
i agree with you, in Belgium, Britain or Germany you have a lack of sunshine in winter so it is better to give the plants very little (or none) water during winter and it might be the best to slow down their growth as much as possible.
My conditions are quite different - there is enough sun and best air circulation - so the growingrate does not have any importance. The problem is water to the wrong time. My observation is the northern species have not many problems and react directly after watering - southern species are more delicate especially when there are still high temperatures, fungi and/or bacteria react much faster than the rhizome and might destroy the plant before it starts growing.
Thank you for your answer Hans.
I agree with you.
Here in Belgium the air humidity can be very high in autumn; this is already enough to start the growth of my onco's.
Look at the pictures that I took 3 days ago; the plants show the tips of their leaves and I haven't give no water at all!
Nevertheless some water in autumn (end septembre/octobre) is important so that they form their new roots before winter; during winter you have to keep them as dry as possible.
During winter last year the roots of a few species (bostrensis and nigricans) rotted completely away, but the rhizomes stays intact; the plants survive and recover after winter;
I think this attack was probably caused by an infection of pythium due to wet soil and high temperatures during some days in winter.
Therefore it's a good idea to put the pots in a sand bed, so that soil temperature stays stable.
Hendrik
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I agree, especially with species such as I. auranitica which is, in my opinion, the most rot sensible before growth starting.
I also grow some species in the greenhouse for the first time, and started watering them yesterday... let's see how they will react, but some are already starting to grow.
Hi Fred,
If you grow onco's for the first time in a greenhouse, be careful with watering!
Try to keep the rhizome dry (water at the rim of the pot) or give water around the pots if they are plunged in sand.
Really they n,eed very little water....
End november last year some of my onco's were 15 - 20 cm high and that's really not good, especcially in a dull climate;
try to reduce leaf growth as much as possible and give extra artificial light.
Hendrik
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Hello Hendrik,
i agree with you, in Belgium, Britain or Germany you have a lack of sunshine in winter so it is better to give the plants very little (or none) water during winter and it might be the best to slow down their growth as much as possible.
My conditions are quite different - there is enough sun and best air circulation - so the growing rate does not have any importance. The problem is water to the wrong time. My observation is the northern species have not many problems and react directly after watering - southern species are more delicate especially when there are still high temperatures, fungi and/or bacteria react much faster than the rhizome and might destroy the plant before it starts growing.
I have more problem with this heat on the rhizomes in spring, I try to counteract it by having the rhizomes deep in gravel to insulate them from heat and by watering the sand or the edge of the pots only, so as not to get water on the rhizome. while it is cool I just tip water over the lot, or leave them in the rain to start growing in autome. If I leave them untill October /November to start, I get poor root growth untill the spring and they try to rot in December and January. I give them a very little water at this time.
Peter,
I think it's not good to give water during hot days during spring.
It's a real shock for the plants!
It's better to give water when temperature is low(er).
It's better to give water
I find that bacterial rot may be stoped very quickly with a drench of water containing chlorine (bleach)
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I agree Hendrik.
In warm weather I wait for a cooler day, water the sand outside the pot and only water in early morning. They need some moisture in spring to finish their growth.
water + heat =ROT :'(
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Hendrick, as you know, I give them extra artificial light in the greenhouse, which is like a discotheque ;D
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I agree with all that has been said about growing conditions. It is summer rainfall that is my dread. But having said that I have left some clumps in situ for years and the rain does not seem to bother them. I am thinking about one patch where the pots of seeds were placed in the ground without much alteration to the native soil. This patch is the highest up the hill so the drainage would be extra good and patches further down the hill might get more moisture, especially in winter when there might be seepage further down the hill. But I have mainly the southern species hybrids.
I will keep the chlorine treatment in mind Hans.
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Afew photos taken today of the aril species hybrids flowering. These plants never get dug - they survive any rain in summer.
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So supremely beautiful in your hill landscape Pat - all are glorious in their variation
Nos 1358 and 1360 I imagine are the same species hybrid and I wondered why the stem under the flower is green in one and red in the other (I'm sure there is a name for this region :-[)
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Who needs chocolate? ???
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Well well grown Pat !
Congratulations, and so many flowers ....
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I will have to check the crosses on those two species hybrids before commenting.
Fred pity that they are not all straight species but this is the kind of vision I had when I first read about arils and their requirements back in 1989.
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Great patches Pat, :o
I see you still have enough space to build up pure species patches - this years ASI seedexchange should be a good query for some very nice species seed. ;)
I find that bacterial rot may be stoped very quickly with a drench of water containing chlorine (bleach)
Do you also use it for watering growing plants (in which concentration?)?
I normally only work with chlorine with seeds before sowing and dormant rhizomes (or very local in rhizomes of growing plants) after cutting away dead /affected parts.
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Hans, I think the bleach was my statement, quoted by Hendrik.
In any case I use domestic chlorine about a small cup full in 3 liters of water to pour over a congested clump if there is bacterial rot, or proportionately less if it is a small clump. I then try to let the plant dry out. I dont use it unless there is rot - I believe the chlorine must upset the natural balance of micro organisums in the soil, including the good ones.
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Thanks Peter!
Today we had some rain and temperatures of about 30 degrees celsius-hope this will not cause any problem.
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There more drainage material such as gravel in the rhizome area the better with rain and 30C
From what I have seen of your photos Hans you should be fairly right. Well that is my gut feeling ;D
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Hans, In the wild, they will get rain with hot temperature, so it's natural for the Onco's !
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Thanks Pat and Fred, yes I also think there will be no problem - my first oncobed has such a good drainage that oncos suffer bur desertplants do well (despite of an annual rainfall about 800 mm). Weatherforecast promised rain for monday and tuesday - the most delicate species will be covered tomorrow.
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patch 10 in bloom with sun behind
a bloom with sun behind
Another late afternoon
0315 = Iris hermona hybrid x Iris hermona hybrid (yellow)
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These may be hybrids Pat but many have the look of genuine species and are supremely beautiful. I envy you being able to grow these wondrous flowers.
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Pat simply stunning it only makes me wish my partner would emigrate.wow
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Fantastic again Pat, and always well grown healthy plants.
I may be will emigrate too ;D
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The plants take a bow - they are the ones doing it. ;)This year we have had pretty good weather too which helps heaps. All the irises - tall bearded, arilbreds, species, junos etc are jumping out of the ground - the growth is amazing. Rainwater at the right time is so different to just watering by hand.
An Iris haynei hybrid with the sun behind
And the other side of it
And this one that is in the haynei hybrid section but there is much lortetii in the stippling on the falls
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Pat can i ask have you grown all these hybrids from seed and if so have you named any of your plants.
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Wonderful flowers Pat !
Absolutely superb !!!! :o :o
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Not bad are they? :P :P :P :P ;D
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I've grown them all from seed Davey and No I have not named any. I prefer to just enjoy them and it is like children - you can't give them away unless you know they will be looked after well. Well not quite the same thing but I hope you know what I mean. There is hardly anyone in Australia interested in arils - apart from some of the Aussies on this forum.
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There is hardly anyone in Australia interested in arils - apart from some of the Aussies on this forum.
Just as well you added that last bit!
Here's a pic I took on Saturday of one of your arils which Otto is growing,
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cheers
fermi
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Yum Yum. It will be desert on Thursday evening. ;D
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Wonderful plants, Pat! :o
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Even though I say so myself they are pretty stunning aren't they - here are some more.
Well I had a bit of time late this afternoon to take some photos and do a little pollinating - now (a couple of hours later) it is seriously raining again. Wonder if the pollen has had enough time to do its thing.
patch 12 from the south
patch 12 from the west
in the assorted good hybrid patch
this one is in a patch of 'Iris lortetti and others' - uhm ???
0464 taken bending down = Iris susiana hybrid x (Meirav x Iris samariae (light colour) ex David Shahak '94
0464 on my stomach = same as above
0484 = Iris hermona hybrid yellow form x Iris hermona hybrid yellow form (maybe a bee got in there first ::)
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They are fantastic Pat. I wish my few days in Australia would extend to a short trip to South Australia. Seems it's just the right time. ::)
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Yes prime time for the arils now with more special species to come I hope
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PS I work for a bed & breakfast booking company ::) ;)
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While on the southern hemisphere fantastic Arils flower, here only some "sprouting grass". ;)
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just found this persons photos they are stunning.http://isachar-photography.photoshelter.com/search?I_DSC=iris&submit.x=0&submit.y=0&I_DSC_AND=t&_ACT=search
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just found this persons photos they are stunning.http://isachar-photography.photoshelter.com/search?I_DSC=iris&submit.x=0&submit.y=0&I_DSC_AND=t&_ACT=search
True enough Davey, like many that we're fortunate to see here. Too bad all the photos have the copyright banner smack dab in the middle of each enlarged photo instead of a less obtrusive location.
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Thanks Davey !
Great find !
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just found this persons photos they are stunning.
Crikey, Davey, have you any idea how many cups of coffee I'll need to enjoy all those pictures properly?
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Pat, wonderful display! we will stay tuned for the next photos ;)
Hans, precious "grass" indeed ;D
Davey, thanks for the link. Very beautiful photos.
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Need to check the first photo cross reference
PT0168
PT0516
PT0520
PT0316
PT0317
PT0327
PT0010
And four of the beds with arils, pogons, calochortus, tulipa, junos included in them. The big clump is Iris subbiflora x Iris revoluta.
If you need to know the crosses of the above just ask
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I've lost my voice Pat !
And really fantastic to see this wonderfull flowers twice a year ;D
Do you use them as cutted flowers ?
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I'm lost for words too, such lovely individuals....
PT0516
PT0520
are my choice Pat.
Davey, thanks for the link to some really fabulous photos taken in a region I would like to know more about.
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PT0317! Wow! That may need to be registered and introed. Simply the best, the rest are only gorgeous! ;D
I have a few seedlings coming up from your seed via ASI. Too exciting.
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I agree Regelian,317 look's like I. kirkwoodii or I. kasruwana !
splendid !!
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Hey, Fred, I see you have a new website..... www.naturaphot.fr 8)
Friends.... you MUST see Fred's pictures..... in the mountains, on the ground, under the sea...... see this image to start your journey.....
http://naturaphot.fr/gallery2/main.php?g2_itemId=208
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You're right Maggi ! Fred's pictures are not to be missed !
Amazing !!!! :o :o :o
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;) Thank's Maggy and Luc !
good to share favourite pics with other crazy people ;D :D
But still need to be updated with hundreds of pics, so.... will take some time.
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Then that gives us the perfect excuse to visit the site often Fred, and see what is new :)
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I agree with you all on Fred's link - thanks for sending it earlier to me Fred - the longing to see the arils in their natural habitat is well and truly wetted.
I have given some cut flowers to extra special people who I know will appreciate them. Also put some in the office at my work where people off the street might see them.
Usually I try to pollinate as many as possible but with so much wet weather the pollen has gone when I have attempted. I have managed a couple of crosses.
I have just organised to talk next September to the Elizabeth Garden Club. They had their 50th Birthday lunch on Thursday and two of us who were past speakers were invited, as well as the local Mayor. The other speaker Danni Kaines has a specialist nursery garden - mainly bulbs and interesting uncommon plants. I took a few spikes with me to give them a taste..... My past talks to this group have been on heritage roses.
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A few photos taken this afternoon.
PT0404
PT0410
PT0464 x 3
I. samaraie hybrid
Iris susiana hybrid
Iris samariae hybrid samaraie form
Iris hermona hybrid dark form
Iris haynei hybrid
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I've been lurking on this thread, studying these sensation Iris blooms, they just keep keep getting better and better, this last batch has me reeling. Pat, the two yellow samaraie hybrids are pure mouth-watering perfection. :o :o :o
Each day you must be totally enjoying this passion of working with hybrid oncos, seeing this array of hybrids, new blooms, new combinations and forms... I can sense the excitement, thanks for sharing your enthusiasm with these special plants with us.
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so so many different hybrids, even for those not involved in Hybrids, it's fantastic to see all your work, your passion and the results :o :P
simply incredible !
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so so many different hybrids, even for those not involved in Hybrids, it's fantastic to see all your work, your passion and the results :o :P
simply incredible !
Hear hear ! :D
Stunning flowers Pat, you are a champ ! :o
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Fred just to let you know that I never cross a pure species with a species hybrid if I have another clone of a species. Most of these are species hybrids crossed and crossed over the years. No other section of iris involved apart from oncos.
Drizzly rain again this morning so there goes any pollen again :'(
Thanks all for the compliments - I will pass them on to the irises. ;)
I will have to show you the size of the blooms in comparison to the leaves when I get a chance as it is really unbelievable that such a small base can support such a large beauty. :o
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PT0168 - love the globular form of this one with Meirav in its breeding
PT9925
PT0010
PT9856
PT9931 - haynei in this one
patch 22
Iris hermona hybrid dark form ex TT96 - a particular favourite for its shape
I hermona hybrid dark form ex TT 96 - closeup
this last PT0449 is Iris hermona hybrid dark form x ?
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Just caught up with this thread again. Your Iris bed are becoming each year better Pat.
And with so many new flowering seedlings even more interesting too.
I can only dream of such Onco beds outside in the garden :( Thank you for showing these series!
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Wonderful plants and pics, Pat! :o
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Tell me when to stop posting ;) We are over the initial flush but there are quite a number to come still.
The first is one of Geoff Wilson's seedlings with Communion in it - will need to search records for more as the label has faded.
The 2005 crosses are all blooming - many for the first time. Thought I would show what is in their backgrounds this time.
PT0588 = Iris hermona hybrid dark form x yellow hermona hybrid
PT0577 = ((Meirav x I.samariae light colour) x brown samariae hyb) x I atropurpurea)
PT0464 = Iris susiana hybrid x (Meirav x I samariae light colour ex TT '94)(Tirat Tsvi = David Shahak)(Meirav has samariae, antilibanotica,camillae, susiana and basaltica in it - with a Austin cross in there too)
PT0464 - another angle
PT0327= Iris mariae x Iris hermona hybrid (yellow)
PT0022 - one group
PT0022 - another group (Iris mariae x Iris haynei hyb (dark) 35seeds) this one flowered early and is still flowering.
Iris samariae hybrid dark form in patch 22 - showing the size of flowers and stems to the leaf size.
And a closeup of the above with the setting sun shining on it.
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DON'T STOP POSTING Pat ;D
Fall is coming here and I think we all love to see onco flowers now....
How many thousand sqaure meters do you grow with irises ? :)
I think you're ready to open a nursery with so many different flowers.
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Awesome flowers Pat !!!
That last picture with the setting sun really brings out the best in the flower ! :D :D
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Pat these are incredible flowers, and I'm surprised to see the range of colors you get, in particularly the yellow hermona.
Do some of these hybrids are grown commercially later on?
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99% of these irises are advanced progency from seed from David Shahak's Tirat Tsvi Nursery from 1989, 90, 92 and 95 I think.
A nursery friend who ran a nursery and would go to fairs etc is selling well on ebay so I am half thinking about doing this in summer - only thoughts so far.
Thanks all for the encouraging comments. It is interesting to see what is resulting from different crosses over the years - only became apparant with the 2005 crosses which are flowering now.
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Utterly fantastic flowers and photos Pat. What an amazing treat for us all. I was privileged to see a few at Otto's house this week and a few more are coming out in Tim's tunnel but not quite soon enough for me. I know that Otto will be mortgaging his house and his soul if you decide to sell some. ;D
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Patch 10 in full bloom
PT0327 does not show the light yellow of the standards well in this photo
PT9854 good clump of this one.
Another view - closeup
another closeup
PT9848 - this shows up more blue - looks greyish to the eye. These were taken late in the day so colours have changed slightly
Iris susiana hybrid in patch one - this one has very droopy falls looking a little like the shape of Iris iberica elegantissima in photos.
PT0445 - this has the shape of a giant paradoxa.
We are past the prime time for the arils but there is still some coming.
Have used Confidor lately to keep any aphid and spider mites at bay.
Now to post other iris species in Iris thread
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9854 and 9848 are superb Pat, not that they ae not all superb mind you,- but do they show hybred vigor for garden use, rot resistance and so on?
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I hope David will see your post Pat !
He should love his descendants ;D
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This David has seen 'em and he has, yet again, a very sore chin from all that drooling. It's even worse knowing that in my climate it would be just a waste of time trying them. Lovely stuff Pat.
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Peter,
PT9848 is on the top left of the first picture from the last series posted
And PT9854 is the three that stand out in the middle of the clump.
Both seem to have good vigour and be virus free. LIke all the arils they are showing signs of a bit much water with browning to the ends of the leaves.
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Pat,
you have stunning arils 8) 8) 8)
It is a great pleasure to look at them. :D
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Thanks Armin, Lesley, David, Fred, Peter.
Another few photos taken today and yesterday
PT0434 Iris jordana or haynei x Iris samaraie dark form
PT0010 Iris jordana x Iris hermona hybrid (yellow tones)
PT9816 Iris jordana x ?
PT0106 Iris haynei hybrid x sib
PT0425 Tira Nurseries Seed mix x ((Hila x Iris samariae) x sib)
PT0425 side on
PT0327 different to another that I have posted from this cross
patch 1 (30) Iris susiana hybrid
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Susiana hybrid is
AWFUL AWESOME !!! :o :o :o
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Pat have you an aim or goal when your doing your pollen dabbing,like Peter i would like to know if you have bred for vigour ect.
i find myself going that ones stunning so is that one and then ooooooh my god have you seen that one. ;DPat,
you have stunning arils 8) 8) 8)
It is a great pleasure to look at them. :D
it's a good job this isn't a carry on film ;D ;D ;D
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Susiana hybrid is AWFUL !!! :o :o :o
Fred, I must be gentle here and please do not feel I am criticising your command of English (which is very good) but did you mean "awesome". "Awful" means not very nice.
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Pat have you an aim or goal when your doing your pollen dabbing,like Peter i would like to know if you have bred for vigour ect.
i find myself going that ones stunning so is that one and then ooooooh my god have you seen that one. ;DPat,
you have stunning arils 8) 8) 8)
It is a great pleasure to look at them. :D
it's a good job this isn't a carry on film ;D ;D ;D
boom boom ;D
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Thank's David.; I mean awesome of course and didn't know awful wasn't very nice :-[ :-[ :P I'll try to remember ;D
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What astonishingly beautiful plants Pat, and wonderfully photographed.
In particular the standards of PT0327different (soft grey veins on white?) and PT9816 strike me as exquisite.
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What astonishingly beautiful plants Pat
I'll try to remember this one !! ;D ::) :o ;D
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;D ;D ;D
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Fred I was wondering when you wrote awful - I know you prefer species ...but,,,
Thanks David for the clarification. Had to have a good laugh then about how easy it is to say the wrong thing and be misconstrued with our meaning.
Fred you are forgiven. ;) :D
Davey in the early days of growing these I just wanted more as I knew I could not get many seeds (or plants) from elsewhere after David Shahak did not sell seed anymore so I would cross anything flowering at the time.
Nowadays I do look at plants a little differently. I do try to cross similar ones that I like to keep that look going. If I have a straight species I cross with another clone or maybe a hybrid. If I have one that I really like the shape and markings and it is not such a great plant I will cross it with a stronger looking plant. I also like to try to get more defined 'signals'.
Simple stategies :D :D
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Pat,
I like what you have achieved so far! Keep on crossing! ;D
Otto suggests that my climate may suit them and we have room for another raised sand bed, so I'll be in touch!
cheers
fermi
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Thank's David.; I mean awesome of course and didn't know awful wasn't very nice :-[ :-[ :P I'll try to remember ;D
I was going to say "you have to be kidding," Fred. ;D
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Fantastic Oncohybrids, Pat! Great to see which results you got by avanced crossing and recrossing - the plants have the beauty of the species, even it is impossible to see which species are involved.
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A few photos taken yesterday.
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I like all these Pat, but the first is especially pretty to my eye
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They are all gorgeous. I guess influence from a regular bearded iris is seen in the first, slightly ruffled standards?
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No tall bearded in any of the ones I have shown so far Lesley except for the first one shown on September 21st.
A few photos taken this morning - I was able to do a little pollinating before I ran out of time.
PT0423 plus closeup Assorted good x Iris urmiensis
Assorted good hybrids
I have to find my records as most of this tag has faded but it is Sheba's Jewel x ..... This one Lesley has tall bearded in it.
And a closeup
PT0327 Iris mariae x Iris hermona hybrid (yellow)
PT9848 with a closeup Assorted good hybrids x Iris jordana (87 seeds)
55. Meirav x Iris samaraie (light colour)
53. Tira Nurseries Seed Mixture
I will add a couple more photos to another post
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50. Aril x Iris samaraie (samariae form)
PT0425 (53) Tira Nurseries Seed Mixture x (62)Hila x samariae(?) x sib (yellow with orange brown signal)
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A further avalanche of beautiful Iris Pat !!! :o
You make it look so easy... ::) :-\ ;)
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Superb! :o
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fantastic! the one with TB blood has an amazing branching too!! with the full oncolook too the hybredists in more shelterd areas will be after its genes poor thing ::)
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I have shown most of the flowers that have bloomed this year hence all the postings.
Peter - Sheba's Jewel has been used a lot in breeding already. There are a number I think that are very similar.
With the abundant rain this year all the tall bearded and related irises have done extremely well - hence the size of that Sheba's Jewel cross. I did note that branching which was a surprise. Another stalk in the same cross has a lilac bud.
We have had some delightful 23-25C days lately, good for growth but the beginning of the drying out of the garden. At least we did not get the really early 30C day like in September last year. Bloom season will be late on roses and tall bearded I feel.
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The AB Sheba's Jewel x again showing the now opened lilac bud.
Another AB Solar Wind x from the ASI seed exchange.
Iris sari ex AMcM budding up
Shooting into the sun to try to get the tissue paper effect.
This is a question mark iris as it somehow lost its tag
And viewed from the opposite side.
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PT0457
PT0464
Enough for today.
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Pat, you may have explained this before, but do you cover the beds with those roofing tiles in the winter to avoid waterlogging?
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Richard I was given the tiles to do borders but they have only been used to support roofing iron so that certain patches do not get winter rain. About 10 high in places depending on the slope and rocks in the way.
I am hoping to improve the drainage enough that I do not need to cover them.
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PT0457
PT0464
Enough for today.
Never enough Pat. :D
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OK a few more but it is AB season starting and the species are fading with only an odd new one now.
I will show the aril species hybrids in this post and the arilbreds in the next post.
I really love the soft pink lortetii like ones and the last two. The veining in the standards is amazing.
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The species are my first love but some of the ABs can be lovely but not ethereal.
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Thanks Pat. The great thing about the forum is that we can get each season twice a year!
We can see the plants which the "northern" forumists show, and then you come up with these beauties again only six months later !
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Wonderful.
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Pat,
fascinating iris - I can't say which one I like most - all are stunning :o 8)
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Wow Pat, those Irisses are stunning. Thanks for showing.
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More amazing flowers Pat ! :o :o
What a wealth of beauty !
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Absolutely gorgeous Pat 8)
Angie :)
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I don't think Otto Fauser realized before, that Heaven is actually in South Australia. I don't want to hurry him on his way, but definitely something to look forward to. ;D
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Thanks everyone - sounds crazy me thanking you for mother nature's adventures with me.
David Shahak should be the one thanked for sharing his aril seeds as he was the source of most of the original seeds I started with.
Iris sari is showing colour and may be out early this week. Blow I just realised I will be in Renmark from Thursday till Sunday and will miss the other two buds. 27C tomorrow which might hurry them up. I will add a few more photos soon.
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Hello friends. I have 3 paradoxa atrata seedlings up from my pod last spring.
I bought 3 atrata from Lithuanian bulb last year and
2 clumps bloomed. I froze the pollen from the first bloom
and put it on the last bloom. Got 50 seeds! Planted some
in the outside open bed in June and 2 weeks ago 3 popped up.
Today a bloom is open on Return to Aga. It is a very
reliable fall bloomer.
John B
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Can we have a picture John, of 'Return to Aga' please. Otherwise it's just something I'd be expecting the cat to do on a chilly autumn night. ;D
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Here ya go Lesley.
John
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Thanks John, your 'Return to Aga' looks very like a SDB I have, called 'Mighty Mite.' I don't think there's any aril breding in it though. I went out to take a photo but it's just finished.
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OK a few more but it is AB season starting and the species are fading with only an odd new one now.
I will show the aril species hybrids in this post and the arilbreds in the next post.
I really love the soft pink lortetii like ones and the last two. The veining in the standards is amazing.
Pat, looking at your Irises is so delicious it is impossible to choose a favourite - the forms the colour and the translucent falls with such variety of veining are bewitching :)
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There has been quite a few blooms on other irises and some arils since I last posted. Been too busy to post.
I will just add a few now
A few of my arilbreds that I have bred.
This last one was a surprise this evening. The tag is worn out and what I can work out it was possibly from BIS seed - need to check further for details of it.
Will post more on this thread and the iris thread when I have a bit more time.
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Pat,
Gorgeous pics, as always. 2095 is just gorgeous, both in colour and form. Love the species hybrids you posted on the previous page too, particularly some of those susiana hybrids. Stunning!! 8)
Thanks for posting.
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Howdy All,
Other than 'Orb' (which Fermi has already posted a pic of, so I won't), the only one of the aril hybrids I have had bloom is an Iris hermonis hybrid (or should that be Iris hermona hybrid?) that I bought from Marcus, which originally came from Pat Toolan apparently. ;D Small world eh?
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An onco in flower here, it forgot to wait for winter. :-\ I think it is Iris sari but I'm not sure, it did not flower in the spring and as i divided so many this piece has missed labeling in 2009 so I would be glad of a definate identification
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I believe you are correct Peter. Here is a photo off SIGNA website.
John
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An onco in flower here, it forgot to wait for winter. :-\ I think it is Iris sari but I'm not sure, it did not flower in the spring and as i divided so many this piece has missed labeling in 2009 so I would be glad of a definate identification
Indeed, it's Iris sari.
Herewith a picture of my plant.
Hendrik
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Thankyou John, Hendrik,
I believe it is the form I bought some years ago from Norman Stevens - Very Dark and very short.
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It is very interesting Peter that you have an Iris sari flowering now as I do too - 6 months difference :o
I am waiting on Iris aurantica to come out - lovely coloured buds - two will flower in the next few days. If it held off a bit I could take it to the Barossa Rose and Flower show on Saturday.
No other arils to flower after this last species.
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Congratulations on your sari and on aurantica Pat.
I understand that night length plays a part in stimulating pogons to flower, remontancy and simultaneous flowering between hemispheres would fit this theory.
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Thankyou John, Hendrik,
I believe it is the form I bought some years ago from Norman Stevens - Very Dark and very short.
Probably is your plant sari 'Manissadjianii', the short variant of sari.
Hendrik
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Thank you Hendrik, I bought another ssp manissadjianii last year, hopefully both plants will flower together in the spring!
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Iris aurantica - still waiting patiently.
And a couple of more shots of what is not an onco but a regelia cross - the second flower on the stem of BIS 06/09 x Tadzhiki Bandit seed from Laurence Ransom in France.
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Wow, Pat. Great colour.
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Iris aurantica in flower :D
I will show a couple of newer shots when I download later.
I tried some pollen on 'Manon' - a miniature tall bearded - probably not possible if I had time to look up the counts. Also kept a couple to dry out for next year.
I noticed too that this species has that triangle shaped signal spot which I saw earlier this year in some of the aril species crosses. Must look up those photos to see the connection.
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Superb Pat !
One of my favourite species, and with a such lovely scent...
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these are absolutely beautiful!!
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congratulations Pat
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Thanks for the compliments on the iris - I did put my nose in it after you said that Fred. A faint scent. I should have done it earlier but most of the arils don't seem to have much perfume or I have not bothered to check.
Off line a member has brought up the spelling of this iris. Iris auranitica is in Mathew's The Iris but in the BIS Species book it is spelt Iris aurantiaca but they also spell Iris mariae as mairiae.
However it is spelt, here are two photos taken last night in the setting sun and the third one was taken indoors today at the Barossa Rose & Flower Show.
They only had a class for tall bearded irises!
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Hello and welcome, Linda!
I see from your website that as an artist you have been unable to resist the charms if the Iris..... you will find much to enjoy here, for sure!
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It's gorgeous, Pat. I love the blend of colours, and that wonderful contrast in the signal. Very, very nice. 8)
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Once again there is confusion over a name.... I wondered when I saw aurantica oer auranticia, because I was more familair with "aurantiaca" as a name in other plants.... a search reveals much use of all sorts of spellings, as Pat reports.... but the Kew World Checklist of Selected Plant Families gives this info in its Iris pages.....
http://apps.kew.org/wcsp/qsearch.do
Iris auranitica Dinsm. in G.E.Post, Fl. Syria, ed. 2, 2: 601 (1933)
Iris auranitica var. unicolor Mouterde, Fl. Djebel Druze: 82 (1953).
This name is a synonym.
Accepted Name: Iris auranitica Dinsm. in G.E.Post, Fl. Syria, ed. 2, 2: 601 (1933).
Homotypic Synonyms:
Iris auranitica f. wilkiana Chaudhary, G.Kirkw. & C.Weymouth, Bot. Not. 128: 406 (1975 publ. 1976).
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Pat that iris should win best of show in any class!
John B
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Just Amazing :o
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splendid plants! : :o congratulations Pat
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Thanks everyone for the congratulations and especially Maggi for welcoming Linda who rang me the other day after scouring Australia for a grower of arils. Glad you followed the link Linda to such an exceptional plant forum - you have much to think about now I am sure.
I will also contact Shaukat Chaudhary who now lives in Sydney and is an ASI member re the name. Where does the name come from and what does it mean I wonder?
John I did have the iris cut on our Heritage Rose stand - also included some Iris lactea spikes but that is another species altogether that I can't speak highly enough about for our conditions.
Most people were dumbstruck with seeing Iris auranitica as most people I think only know tall bearded irises.
I have also been asked about registering irises so that they might go further afield. Naming anything is one of my bad points - hence my children only have one first name.
If I did register anything I would like to do them all under a 'prefix' with a middle eastern sound such as 'Kalifa'.
Miriam maybe you could help me out here with a name. It would be terrible to find a name that you liked only to discover that it meant something really terrible.
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Iris auranitica is called after the area where it grows- The Hauran.
The Hauran is a volcanic (no more active) area in Syria. The name means "the hollow land"-because of its Tuff which has many small holes in it.
For more information:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hauran
Pat, no problem to help you with a name. Just give me a direction.
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God, the golden iris is glorious. I'm deeply envious Pat. ::)
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No wonder everyone was dumbstruck at the show your Iris auranitica is sensational Pat, congratulations!.
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Miriam is right regarding the name Auranitica.
Aurantiaca would have mean Orange or gold but it's a wrong name.
I'm very happy that you did put your nose on it ;D
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Yes, I do have much to think about and much to learn! I've been growing bearded iris for two years and was content with those tall, frilly ladies... that is, until two weeks ago, when at the AIS annual show I saw my first Arilmed (Omar's Gold) and was immediately bewitched. So began the Aril quest, to know more, to grow and to paint that exotic richness and beauty of form. The information in this forum is absolute inspiration, your photos are awesome. So thank you Pat for leading me here, thanks everyone for the warm welcome! Yes, I am smitten..........
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Thanks Miriam for the reference and the offer of help with name.
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God, the golden iris is glorious. I'm deeply envious Pat. ::)
And me!
Congratulations Pat, superb grown plant!
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Wow Pat. Makes me want to start growing Arils again!
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Good luck with the Onco seedlings in your footpath. Amazing to have them so happily seeding, or do you mean that you dropped some seed that you'd brought in?
Thanks Paul, resulting seedlings are from seeds fallen out of the pods before I could collect them. Second picture shows a selfseeded Onco between some Ophrys. ::)
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I know you like weeds hans !
I can help you to remove them if you want ;D ;)
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Oncos seeding about happily. Just incredible! 8)
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Lucky you Hans to get them germinating on their own. Good one.
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They've chosen their patch and it will be great to see them in flower there one day Hans :)
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And I thought the season was finished ages ago.
Iris acutiloba ssp lineolata ex Marcus this year. I was heading up the hill to the arils to look for pods that were ready to pick and found this flower. What a surprise. I also found some seed pods on the Iris planifolia clump all hidden down deep in the gravel. There were about 8 pods all together hiding.
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superb Pat ! Nice surprise isn't it ?
As iris planifolia seeds germinates easily, you should have lots of plants quickly :)
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As I'm growing Onco's in the greenhouse for the first time this year, I've noticed that many leaves are getting brown or something like dessicated at the end.
does anybody have the same problem ? and if so what is the origin : too much or too less water ?
I don't think It could be a fungus.
I sometimes have this problem with the 'outdoor' plants but never at this time of the year, later in spring.
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Fred I too have this problem and I put it down to too much water and maybe cold. It doesn't seem to effect them much in their flowering and growing on unless it is too much.
We had 34mls yesterday and today will be high 20s and heating up so I am thinking about digging up some of the rarer oncos - this is my dilemma each year.
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Just to cheer myself up in this awful weather I looked through some of my photos and from six months ago I found this beauty from a friends greenhouse. Such a lovely plant don't you think. I paradoxa
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It's not just you that is being cheered up Ian - I agree, it's a beauty !!
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First onco to flower in the greenhouse, Iris atrofusca, unfortunately it has a viral infection.....
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Not only viruses are problems with irises, I also have one plant with soft rot, or something like that, and the plant is dead :'( as I haven't seen it in time.
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I cry for you too Fred :'(
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some chlorine might save the little bud :-\
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I'l try it Peter as I'm really not sure it's soft rot : doesn't smell bad....
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You might save it Fred, I have saved worse ones, (and lost better).
wash it in dilute bleach and dry it for a day. Plant it frost free and give tiny amounts of water round the edge of the pot untill you get a new root.
I find they root much better coverd in 6+ cm of gravel
I recieved the onoco rhizomes in these pots 3 months ago and they were nearly dead. They get no sun and the room is cold. I have just taken the pictures now. the close up is nearly ready for the green house, but with your heated green house you could use a deep plastic pot and not water it at all.
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Great Peter !
But I think for mine I need a miracle.... I've checked the small bud and... it's also roted !
I'll try the bleach but with little hope ???
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Fred, you make illness still look beautyfull! ;)
Sorry to see your problematic plants - I think there will exist no Oncogrower who does not have similar problems.
Not sure if it is Soft Rot, it looks more like something I know as "scorch" (not knowing if the name correct) - the rhizome looks healthy, but inside it is attacked (looks a bit like a sponge - in summer whitish when dry), it does not smell and is not as soft as soft rot.
Cutting the damaged parts and following Peters advice may help- but I have some doubts you can save the pictured plant. :-\
This autumn I had some problems with soft rot because of heavy rain and had to lift some clumps - here two pictures of a infected plant - you see the softness - the leaves might still look ok, but the base is very soft - and as you mentioned, the rhizome really does not smell fine:
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Peter and hans, thank's for advices.
Here is the remaining part 2 days after treatment
I'm going to pot it in the glasshouse and will wait.. and see !
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good luck Fred, I think you have a chance if you are lucky
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Thank's Peter... I'll show you the flowers in 1 month ;D
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A couple of years ago Iris susiana (if indeed it is correct as it has never flowered) was only one single piece but this last year it has increased so much - well not a lot but in my experience quite a bit. It still shows the virus in late winter early spring.
One side of the clump and the other side.
I did lose a rhizome completely to rot of another species - it was one of the Iris kirkwoodii I think.
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a group of three plants next spring Pat? - and lots of tissue culture experements?
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Pat,
do you remove all of your Onco's every year ?
Do you also keep plants with virus or grow them with others, separate place ?
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Peter the person who tried tissue culture for us a few times has had his funding dry up and may be leaving the establishment. I must ask Peter Gras if he has worked with tissue culture at all.
Fred when we have a good downpour in summer I start to panic about what oncos will survive it - hence my lifting some. There are others - aril species hybrids which I have left in situ and they have not been bothered by the extra rain - these last ones are in a rocky area that I have not played with very much at all.
We had 4" of rain last week in two days but mainly one afternoon, and the most amazing thunder and lightning, and now we are going to have mid 30Cs this week.
I have not had many virused plants so far but this Iris susiana certainly is so I am very scared that it will spread to the others. I will have to try to find a situation next year that is possibly suitable and away from the other oncos, and the sap sucking insects have had their mouths washed out with extra greenery between bites.
I will not be dividing up this clump until there is a definite separate piece that will not leave a big wound.
Iris camillae is now history in my garden because I divided it up but I sure hope one of the pieces that I sent elsewhere is still going.
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Actually no flowers here of any Onco - but I am very glad Iris nectarifera seem to like the conditions here - it took a few years after planting to look fine (and produces first stolones) - without doubt it belongs to the most complicate species to establish here.
Iris camillae is now history in my garden because I divided it up but I sure hope one of the pieces that I sent elsewhere is still going.
Pat, should be able to send you a seeds next year - there should flower a few clones.
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Looks good Hans :)
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Thanks Hans for the offer of seed sometime of Iris camillae. Will be good to grow from seed.
Iris nectarifera looks lovely and healthy.
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Thanks Peter and Pat!
Pat, Iris camillae grows well from seeds - most of mine are seedgrown, the resulting plants have formed fine clumps now.