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Specific Families and Genera => Iris => Topic started by: Hans A. on January 02, 2010, 11:04:43 PM
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Earlier than ever some Junos are in flower:
On the picture different Iris persica, Iris stenophylla allisonii, Iris planifolia and Iris planifolia var. alba.
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That's a fantastic sight, Hans, what a collection.
What sort of temperatures have you got at the moment? we're forecast about 2C max for the next week, -6C minimum. Bit too cold here for irises to flower yet;)
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If only...................................... ;D
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Earlier than ever some Junos are in flower:
On the picture different Iris persica, Iris stenophylla allisonii, Iris planifolia and Iris planifolia var. alba.
Absolutely wonderful Hans :o
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Hans! :o :o What a wonderful picture.
I grew stenophylla allisonii a number of years ago, when I didn't know anything at all about Junos. I flowered it a couple of times but lost it one year to rot over summer. I obviously watered it too early. From what I know now, I'm surprised it survived a single season, let alone a number of years. ;D Such a cute little thing.
All those in your pic just look glorious.
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Superb view Hans !! :o
I join David... If only..... sigh...
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you Iris Master!...
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:-X :-X :-X
As you can see I'm speechless
BRAVO
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Yes Hans but can you put a fruit pastel in your mouth with out chewing it?incredible
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:o :o :o
:o :o :o :o OOOOW!!!
:o :o
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Thanks to all - even if it was planned planting I also was surprised by the result - very glad they like the local conditions.
Diane - we have about 15ºC her during the day - do not know if the temperatures you mention are to low - main problem in UK should be high humity while flowering in greenhouses (botrytis) or to wet conditions in summer outside.
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Thanks to all - even if it was planned planting I also was surprised by the result - very glad they like the local conditions.
Diane - we have about 15ºC her during the day - do not know if the temperatures you mention are to low - main problem in UK should be high humity while flowering in greenhouses (botrytis) or to wet conditions in summer outside.
15ºC sounds wonderful at the moment 8) Our daytime maximum today was 3ºC. The cold is not a problem long term for the irises but they won't flower for a few weeks. Our main problem cultivation problem is winter wet (oh yes, and summer wet ::) , so an alpine house is necessary winter and summer
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Hans,
:o :o :o
Absolutely marvelous!
cheers
fermi
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Hans what an absolutely marvellous photo of all those junos together :o
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Hans, as I write this on the 4th January, the statistics at the top of the page read :
Juno (Scorpiris) - Season 2010 (Read 253 times).......
So far yours is the only photo posted.... it is four days into the new year and already you have made 253 people happy.... must be a record! ;D
Edit on February 27th 2010... readers now numbering 2448 ! 8)
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Well some of us keep coming back to read the responses as well...... and hope for more pics. ;D
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Earlier than ever some Junos are in flower:
On the picture different Iris persica, Iris stenophylla allisonii, Iris planifolia and Iris planifolia var. alba.
Excellent display, Hans. I can't reach such view here even under glass. For me almost 3 monthes ahead before first Juno will start blooming in greenhouse. At pesent even in greenhouse temperature drops in nights till minus 10 C.
Janis
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Iris palaestina is in its pick time along the coast, a sunny, windy area, growing in sand.
I have made a stop today to look for unusual forms.
Variation in this species is extremely rare and i allways hope to find an albino or yellow form but so far nothing...
Often flowers start to bloom opening yellow but than turn to the normal white.
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OK so there wasn't any albino or yellow form but i have found these beauties
a blueish form and an almost double form, having 4 and 5 petals!!
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Stunning flowers Oron !!! :o
The blues are awesome !!!
Thanks for stopping to take some pictures for us !!! :D
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Lovely to see a range of shades like that. :P
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The middle fom is a beauty, reminds me of 'Sindpers'! If this is beauty, then the double form must be........ ;) ;)
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OK so there wasn't any albino or yellow form but i have found these beauties
a blueish form and an almost double form, having 4 and 5 petals!!
Very nice species, especially likes this bluish plant. I got one bulb of I. palaestina last autumn and it made leaves in October. Now it is under cover but I'm afraid that it will not alive our hard winter.
Janis
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Lovely pics Oron.
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Wow Oron! Superb Pictures and great to see the stunning variations! :o
I could make miles and miles on my little island and I would not find anything similar! ;)
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Fantastic pictures Oron, some very interesting colour forms there.
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Oron how very fortunate to be able to go to these local sites and see all these beauties. Nothing as stunning in these parts.
Pat
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Excellent pics, Oron. Thanks so much for showing us.
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Oron , how fortunate you are to have fields of I palaestina in flower virtually at your frontdoor . I find the pale blue variant particularly handsome and delicate . Does I. postii grow in Northern Israel ?
Otto.
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Thanks everyone,
Otto, good to see you back here.
To your question, I. postii grows in Saudi Arabia and i think also in south Jordan but it doesn't grow here.
There are three Junos in the area: I. palaestina which is very common through almost all Israel and Palestine and the other two, stunning species are I. regis-uzziae from the high Negev desert and Jordan and I. edomensis from Jordan, both are quite rare and grow in desert high lands.
I plan on going in mid February to Jordan to look for I. edomensis, hopfully I'll have photos to show here.
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As part of my seed allocation I have three packets of juno iris (albomarginata, caucasica turcica and nicolai). I could save myself a lot of effort and just dump them all on the compost heap :o but, up to the challenge, I want to give them my best shot. To help me on the way does anyone have any special suggestions for sowing?
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Imho I'd just keep them dry in the fridge and sow in autumn.
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As part of my seed allocation I have three packets of juno iris (albomarginata, caucasica turcica and nicolai). I could save myself a lot of effort and just dump them all on the compost heap :o but, up to the challenge, I want to give them my best shot. To help me on the way does anyone have any special suggestions for sowing?
Here I would be soaking seeds now for 24 hours, after that scrapping by sharp knife seed coat to open a little white endosperm and then I would saw seeds in pots keeping them in cellar as outside is too cold. If in your place started warm weather, then best to keep dry seeds in fridge up to next autumn. But you are from Scotland, so I suppose the best to saw now.
Janis
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Various Forumists have reported that they add a little bleach to the soak water, David.
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Various Forumists have reported that they add a little bleach to the soak water, David.
But just a very little and, unless I've missed something, intended to remove seed-borne disease organisms, primarily fungi. Dilute hydrogen peroxide is reported to work too.
I suppose as a side effect, using one of these disinfectants stops the soak water from turning cloudy. Even so, there will still be seeds where you need to change the water repeatedly as it leaches growth inhibitors out of the seed coats. Glaucidium palmatum is a notorious example of such a plant; its seeds demand a very long soak, with many changes of water. Some have been known to tie their glaucidium seed in an old sock and suspend it in the toilet tank where the water is changed with every flush.
Another tip for David and his juno seeds: be sure to use a good soil-based compost for sowing. Soilless composts such as mixtures of peat and vermiculite break down after about a year, and you need a compost that will retain its structure possibly for years. Sow in pots that will last, too. Dykes, in one of his books on irises, mentions a species that took 19 years to germinate. Your seed pots of juno irises could become family heirlooms!
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Here, Iris cycloglossa is just beginning to emerge from the soil. It will flower in May or June, often just on schedule for display at our local rock garden show.
I grow it in a large pot that's left out in all weathers, with the sides of the pot shaded from the sun in summer so the soil does not overheat.
It seems to be a good multiplier and can endure our wet winters.
The flowers are often described as "clove scented" but in my opinion that's a mis-statement. It's a good fragrance free of the decadent cheap-soap taints of Viburnum × bodnantense 'Pink Dawn' and the purplish form of Daphne mezereum, but to call it clove scented is overstating the case.
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The flowers are often described as "clove scented" but in my opinion that's a mis-statement. It's a good fragrance free of the decadent cheap-soap taints of Viburnum × bodnantense 'Pink Dawn' and the purplish form of Daphne mezereum, but to call it clove scented is overstating the case.
Rodger, the scent of Iris cycloglossa is one of the best around.... I agree that it has little to do with cloves. When I think of cloves in relation to the scent of a flower I think more of some dianthus fragrances. That of Iris cycoglossa is so much more subtle but not weak. It is very hard to describe a scent.... I used to be regularly made a gift of a hand wash .... made by he company Yves Rocher... which smelled perfectly of this gorgeous Iris... they called the fragrance "Hamamelis".... it was nothing like that !
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As part of my seed allocation I have three packets of juno iris (albomarginata, caucasica turcica and nicolai). I could save myself a lot of effort and just dump them all on the compost heap :o but, up to the challenge, I want to give them my best shot. To help me on the way does anyone have any special suggestions for sowing?
All the germinations I have had with junos has been immediately after a period of cold. Last year, several pots of junos that had been outside for 4 or 5 years germinated in March (along with some colchicums), and this was after a prolonged period of cold nights and around zero daytime temperatures last February. However, I don't think sowing them now outside at the moment will work, as I think they need warmth first. I have been successful with a warm sowing indoors, then after 2 months, put the pots in the fridge - some actually germinated in the fridge and some immediately after coming out. So, yes, I agree with Simon, sow in the autumn, alternatively speed up the seasons with inside sowing and then fridge.
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Various Forumists have reported that they add a little bleach to the soak water, David.
I suppose as a side effect, using one of these disinfectants stops the soak water from turning cloudy. Even so, there will still be seeds where you need to change the water repeatedly as it leaches growth inhibitors out of the seed coats. Glaucidium palmatum is a notorious example of such a plant; its seeds demand a very long soak, with many changes of water. Some have been known to tie their glaucidium seed in an old sock and suspend it in the toilet tank where the water is changed with every flush.
An interesting comment on the glaucidium seed. I sowed mine direct from the pod on the day they ripened and they have already germinated (and probably died in this cold weather)
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Thank you for all of these interesting responses, far more than I expected and they will give me something to think about. I will probably get on and sow the seed straight away, Simon, as I am naturally impatient and Rodger has already upset me by suggesting that I may have to wait up to 19 years to see a flower - I am 66 years already so, rather than heirloom, I would expect to be taking it with me! I can keep the seed in a cool room for a couple of months and then, maybe, give them another couple in a fridge - we will see.
Janis, thank you for publishing your book 'Buried Treasures' as I am finding pictures of plants in this that I cannot find anywhere else. I keep referring to it.
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Rodger has already upset me by suggesting that I may have to wait up to 19 years to see a flower - I am 66 years already so, rather than heirloom, I would expect to be taking it with me!
Apologies for having upset you. I am the same age but I don't let that stop me. Keep in mind that there have been centenarians who were busy planting trees they'd never see mature. Rather like Capability Brown planting landscapes that took a century to really come into their own.
Look at it this way: waiting for those seeds to germinate, grow, and flower gives you something to live for, and the will to live is an important element in attaining a great and highly disreputable age. I presume that you, like me, have that as a goal, no?
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;D ;D ;D
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Janis, thank you for publishing your book 'Buried Treasures' as I am finding pictures of plants in this that I cannot find anywhere else. I keep referring to it.
Pity, but not all pictures in Buried Treasures are correctly named. One caption was corrected in second print of book. As Iris narynensis really was picture of another form of I. hippolyttii. Those, who have first print - please correct name in your copy. True narynensisis much less spectacular plant, interesting only for those, who want complete set of Juno Irises.
Just got mail from great Allium specialist Reinhardt Fritsch that few Iranian Alliums in my book are incorrectly identified, too. I'm not great in Allium taxonomy and followed the names under which I got those plants from another great specialist in Alliums - Arnis Seisums. I completely trusted to his identification and didn't checked his opinion. Really there are very little information about Iranian Alliums and just recently a lot of new species were described and this summer I will have great job checking my stocks of Iranian Alliums to put them under correct names. Unfortunately the last complete revue of Alliums in this district is Wendelbo's treatment in Flora Iranica, now much out of date. Sorry, but each book can show only situation of knowledge at the date when book is going to printer. At present so many researches are maid using modern technologies. From other side - each botanist think that just his opinion is the best and correct. I was something shocked when recently hear that my plants are used as standard for naming. Of course, I'm never intentionally sending wrongly named plants instead of true, but labels can show only my opinion (knowledge) at current moment.
Janis
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Hans, I MISSED your picture.... :-[ ??? ::) :o
How could I survive ???
I'm absolutly JEALOUS ;D
Congratulations for your culture and this display .
I suppose your camera has been working for a long time on the front of this Iris bed.
Nothing else to add, As rafa said, "Iris master" your are....
I'm going to drown one's sorrows ....
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Thanks Fred - I am not a master, just have good luck with my climate and in mixing a soil they seem to like. ;)
Here an Iris galatica
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Another gem Hans.
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Small but beautiful !! ;)
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Cheers Hans, quite the treat for a cold snowy day!
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Here two more Junos for those who suffer the bad weather ;)
Iris planifolia alba + Iris persica
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Just look at that wonderful blue sky behind the white of the planifolia alba - I cannot wait for a new Scottish April and May to come round.
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Here two more Junos for those who suffer the bad weather ;)
Iris planifolia alba + Iris persica
Luc, he's doing it to us again! Giving us sore chins I mean ;D
Lovely Hans.
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Hans,
crazy pictures !!! :o :o :o
two plant and amazing, and very well captured.
The white planifolia is a pure beauty.
Thank's a lot for sharing, and please,.... some more
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He has no mercy on us poor mortals David... ;D ;D
Glorious blooms Hans !!
Planifolia alba is....... sorry can't find the right word... but I like it ! :D
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Hans what super Junos. Makes me want to try more. Plus photographing white is so hard but you seem to have done it so well.
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First clone of iris rosenbachiana to flower, not the best one,... but much earlier than other clones, still underground !
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Stunning pictures and species Hans and Fred!
It is hard to tell which one I like more ::)
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Super picture and super flower Fred !!! :D
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Very nice Fred, and very early too.
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Thanks Richard, David, Fred, Luc and Miriam :)
Fred, your picture and your plant are superb! :o
Thank's a lot for sharing, and please,.... some more
Maybe I should wait a bit, at least until some chins are dry again.... ;)
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Ok Hans,
I'm ready for new pics, my eyes too ;D
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Hans , every time you post more of your stunning photos of your rare ,exquisite and suberbly grown irises, you seem to excell on your previous postings - when will it end ? The white form of I. planifolia ( rare in cultivation ) is even more beautyful than the normal blue one , grown by quite a few people .
Otto.
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Thanks Otto,
many of the Junos were grown from seed by a good friend in the nineties and they are growing here only a few years. Now I do my best to keep this delicate plants alive and if possible to increase them.
Here two Junos from today:
Iris x sindpers (I.aucheri x I.persica)
Iris persica
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Superb Hans !
better than in nature ! ;D
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Your planting scheme really does en 'Hans' these subjects! ;)
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Hans !
My chin had barely dried up and now you post this... :o :o I wonder what David N. will have to say about this... ::) ::)
Serious now : wonderful plants Hans !! Thanks for showing them ! :D
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He's just a torturer Luc :-X
Great stuff Hans.
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Thanks to all, most Junos are over now, so your chins could dry, but I am nearly sure some other growers will show some beauties and I will accompany you in drooling ;)
better than in nature ! ;D
...in nature they look sometimes a bit reticulate... 8) ;)
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Always sad when the Junos finish! Many thanks for sharing your Juno season with us!
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What photos - and the plantsmen who are growing them so well :o
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Chris:
... most Junos are over .....
;D ;)
Thanks Pat :D
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Hans,
:D Yipee, a few more to come!!!!
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Stunning as usual Hans :o
Here are the typical leaves of I. edomensis, unfortunately i missed the flowering season this year.
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Thanks for the pictures Oron,
Were all plants single plants or does it also produce clumps?
This species I have sown some years ago but there is still no germination.
It is a pity you missed it - next year another try? ;)
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Hi Oron. Is that a seedpod I see in the second photo?? Can you harvest some seed?
John
Stunning as usual Hans :o
Here are the typical leaves of I. edomensis, unfortunately i missed the flowering season this year.
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Thanks for the pictures Oron,
Were all plants single plants or does it also produce clumps?
This species I have sown some years ago but there is still no germination.
It is a pity you missed it - next year another try? ;)
Hans
From what i have seen it doesn't make clumps, and it is also a solitary plant, growing quite far from each other... you can be sure I'll try next year... ;D
John, it is a seedpod, in order to collect the seeds I'll have to drive back 6 hours, I think it is better if left there...
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Oron,
Thanks for the pics.
In my opinion, this is one of the most beautiful Junos.
At what altitude does it grow?
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Thanks Oron - looking forward for January 2011. ;)
Iris stenophylla - flowering here about the same time as in its habitat in Turkey as Ozgur has shown recently.
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Oron,
Thanks for the pics.
In my opinion, this is one of the most beautiful Junos.
At what altitude does it grow?
Hi Miriam
I have found it at altitudes 1060m - 1350m.
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Superb colours and markings on this one Hans !!
Beautiful !
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Iris nicolai is just opening now, in pot which is not the best display >:(
I have another clone in the iris frame which is just emerging from the ground.
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Sigh!!!!!!!
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Very nice plant and photo :o
Did you use a tripod? ;) :P ;D
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::) Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeees :-X.... at home ! ;D
and no sun :'(
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First time I get flower from Iris stenophylla ssp allisonii, in the frame.
And Iris nicolai is producing more and more flowers :P
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Fred you certianly have a great collection. Thanks for sharing the blooms.
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:o Fred!
Great pictures of superb grown plants! :D
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Wonderful show Fred !! 8)
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Super blooms Fred! Iris stenophylla ssp allisonii obliging you with a first time treat!
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Another form of Iris rosenbachiana, Called 'Tovil Dara' by Janis, more coloured than the standard one.
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I have one of those out today, too! 4 flowers from one bulb so far this year.
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Waou !
Lucky you are :o
How deep are your pots alex ?
Do you grow all of them in the greenhouse ?
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Fred, Alex,
Excellent plants. This form originally was collected by Arnis Seisums in Tadjikistan near Tovilj Dara village by which it was named. The darkest of rosenbackianas seen by me although flower segments are narrower than in lighter colored samples.
Janis
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First time I get flower from Iris stenophylla ssp allisonii, in the frame.
And Iris nicolai is producing more and more flowers :P
This light one seem to be from Sina? If so, the correct name must be rosenbackiana as just rosenbackiana is described from Sina. I'm judging by very dark back of stigmatic branches.
Janis
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Nice show Fred and Alex.
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Hi Fred,
Yes, all in the greenhouse and in long tom pots which are plunged.
Alex
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4 flowers from one bulb so far this year.
Very nice indeed Alex!
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Janis you have a K in rosenbackiana whereas the BIS Species Group book has a H instead of the K.
I do wonder too why this book has Iris mariae spelt mairiae - this was the first time I came across the extra I
Any thoughts on this welcome.
Fred you showed the bloom perfectly.
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Janis, the Iris nicolai comes from DIX and I don't have more precise location.
Differences between I. nicolai and I. rosenbachiana are still not clearN unless location may be ??
I'll post this evening antoher form, my favourite one, you call it 'Harangon'.
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Janis you have a K in rosenbackiana whereas the BIS Species Group book has a H instead of the K.
I do wonder too why this book has Iris mariae spelt mairiae - this was the first time I came across the extra I
Any thoughts on this welcome.
Fred you showed the bloom perfectly.
Pat, correct is rosenbachiana (with H). There are some names which I'm allways spelling incorrectly and in serious texts I allways must to check my spelling. My brain too old to learn... :'(
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Janis, the Iris nicolai comes from DIX and I don't have more precise location.
Differences between I. nicolai and I. rosenbachiana are still not clearN unless location may be ??
I'll post this evening antoher form, my favourite one, you call it 'Harangon'.
Dix plants comes from Antoine Hoog and his plants from me. So I think that it is SINA - with me the poorest growing form and I almost lost it. I think not more that a pair of bulbs left.
HARANGON comes from Varzob valley, Tadjikistan. It is the best and best grower. From opposite bank of Varzob river comes VARZOB - it is most yellowish form, good grower, too, but stock at present is small (oversold and failure in growing followed, now slowly recovering). Earliest is VAHSH - originally collected by Leonid Bondarenko.
Janis
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As promised, here is Harangon.
You're right, a strong growing plant and one of the best flower I've seen.
Thank's for all this informations janis.
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fred a superb photo as usual - where is a green smiley?
Pat
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Janis thanks for the explanation - you are not the only one - better than getting two different plates confused all the time as I do.
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As promised, here is Harangon.
You're right, a strong growing plant and one of the best flower I've seen.
Thank's for all this informations janis.
This is fast becoming my favorite thread, what a spectacular Iris, it has my head spinning!
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I hope I'm not boring anyone with another Iris rosenbachiana 'Harangon'... ;)
It had two flowering stems last year and the bulb split - I now have two healthy looking plants, but only one flowering this season.
I'm looking forward to next year already ;D ;D
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Somehow my picture seems to have gone... ??? ???
Here it is again :
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Fred and Alex ,
as always you grow those rare and beautyful Junos superbly and share them with us with excellent photos .
In particular I like the colour of I. rosenbachiana 'Tovil Dara' ,which nearly corresponds with I. r. var. violacea . I have Regel's 'Gartenflora' and in vol. 35 , 1886 , there is Regel's original description ( in Latin and in German ) and a colour illustration( rather a crude one )of var. violacea and var . coerulea .
Otto.
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Thank you Otto - and here's another rosenbachiana from today - 'Harangon' which seems to have larger flowers than any of the other r. types I grow.
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My first junos in flower in the new season - two more colourcombinations for Iris rosenbachiana.
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Otto,
What a book !!! :o :o
You should have a very nice library, thank's to share this pages on I. rosenbachiana.
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Nice to see the purple varient of rosenbachiana Luc, is this 'Tovil-Dara' ?
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Two very nice ones LucS ! :o :o
Now that Deep purple is flowering, do you also grow "Led Zeppelin" ;D ;D ::) :-\
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Nice to see the purple varient of rosenbachiana Luc, is this 'Tovil-Dara' ?
No, "Tovil-dara" is a slightly different dark blue and apparantly a bit later.
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Otto next time I visit I will have to see more of your library which must be fantastic.
Thanks for sharing the old reference.
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some Junos today in flower:
J.nicolai
stenophylla
`` ssp.allisonii
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Two first rosenbackiana from my greenhouse - Czormozak form and yellowish from Varzob.
Janis
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Wonderful flowers Dirk and Janis !!
Keep 'em coming !! :D
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Few new Juno irises from today
I. rosenbackiana from Tovilj-Dara
Iris persica and
Iris stenophylla (2 different localities)
Janis
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Janis, don't do this to me ;D
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Janis, don't do this to me ;D
David, You want that I stop my entries?
Janis
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No, No, No Janis! Don't listen to him! ;D
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Janis, don't do this to me ;D
David, You want that I stop my entries?
Janis
This is so funny! ;D Janis, you are giving the Iris lovers as much excitment as the Croconuts! I hope they all have enough heart medicine to cope! :D ;)
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Few new Juno irises from today
I. rosenbackiana from Tovilj-Dara
Iris persica and
Iris stenophylla (2 different localities)
Janis
Fantastic! :o :o :o
Janis, have you grown any of these outdoors, without cover or protection? John Lonsdale in Exton Pennsylvania grows a number of these outside without protection. And I've grown some of the easier types outside for years, plants that John gave me, (aucheri, magnifica, vicaria, graeberiana, cycloglossa, etc) and as long as they're gown in sand, they're easy as dirt and bulk up into big clumps.
Photos from John's Edgewood Gardens:
http://www.edgewoodgardens.net/Plants_album/The%20Plants%20-%20%20Complete%20Collection/Iridaceae/Iris/Subgen%20Scorpiris/index.html
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John Lonsdale states in his article about the climate of his Exton, Pennsylvania Garden :
http://www.edgewoodgardens.net/thegarden.html that it "is in USDA zone 6b, winter minimum temperatures have reached -5ºF (-20ºC); summer maximum is over 100ºF (38ºC)" and " With perfect drainage, a southerly aspect and shelter from the worst of the prevailing winds, the garden is ideally situated to push the hardiness limits of many plants that would traditionally be considered impossible to grow here."
When one reads the full article, I rather think that I would prefer to spend a winter there than in Latvia.... :-\
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John Lonsdale states in his article about the climate of his Exton, Pennsylvania Garden :
http://www.edgewoodgardens.net/thegarden.html that it "is in USDA zone 6b, winter minimum temperatures have reached -5ºF (-20ºC); summer maximum is over 100ºF (38ºC)" and " With perfect drainage, a southerly aspect and shelter from the worst of the prevailing winds, the garden is ideally situated to push the hardiness limits of many plants that would traditionally be considered impossible to grow here."
When one reads the full article, I rather think that I would prefer to spend a winter there than in Latvia.... :-\
John's garden is a perfect setting, the southerly exposure is protected by a steep wooded hillside to the north... it is true what they say about good siting and microclimates, and his garden is a glorious sight. Most plants he shared with me, Juno iris included, have done fine in my slightly colder USDA Zone 5 garden, 325 miles to the Northeast. The mid-Atlantic states do deal with higher summer temperatures and humidity than here.
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Few new Juno irises from today
I. rosenbackiana from Tovilj-Dara
Iris persica and
Iris stenophylla (2 different localities)
Janis
Fantastic! :o :o :o
Janis, have you grown any of these outdoors, without cover or protection? John Lonsdale in Exton Pennsylvania grows a number of these outside without protection. And I've grown some of the easier types outside for years, plants that John gave me, (aucheri, magnifica, vicaria, graeberiana, cycloglossa, etc) and as long as they're gown in sand, they're easy as dirt and bulk up into big clumps.
Photos from John's Edgewood Gardens:
http://www.edgewoodgardens.net/Plants_album/The%20Plants%20-%20%20Complete%20Collection/Iridaceae/Iris/Subgen%20Scorpiris/index.html
I. persica and stenophylla are not growable outside. Iris rosenbackiana better is growing outside. I grew it for many years without any problems on sand based soil in my first garden. It was so easy that I used bulbs for forcing and selling in winter as pot plants. But it is not very difficult in light clay, too. Problem was that in last years rosenbackianas came up too early and had heavy damage from late night frosts, killing flowers and seriously damaging leaves. So at present I'm getting better flowers in greenhouse. But bulb crop regardless even to leaf damage is far better outside. So I'm planting half of my stocks in outside garden. I suppose that greenhouse conditions are too hot after flowering.
Janis
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One of best Iris persica from Munzur ridge (not find by me, but kindly presented to me by one of my friends from Germany)
Janis
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Janis, this yellow persica is wonderful.
Here my Juno persica,
galatica
rosenbachiana `Harangon`
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Janis, this yellow persica is wonderful.
Here my Juno persica,
galatica
rosenbachiana `Harangon`
Dirk, `Harangon` in the sunlight is like candy confection, like cotton candy in the US, or candy floss in the UK... beautiful pink coloration. :D
I. persica is beautiful too, in the different color forms.
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A juno grown from Archibald seed: Iris willmottiana coll. Karatau, Kazakhstan.
The flowerstem is rather low when flowering starts and elongates in time.
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And another Juno that I have as Iris graeberiana.
Would like to hear if the plant matches the name.
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A juno grown from Archibald seed: Iris willmottiana coll. Karatau, Kazakhstan.
The flowerstem is rather low when flowering starts and elongates in time.
Iris willmottiana from Kara-tau belongs to my most favourite Junos. Moderately easy to grow, extremely susceptible for viruses which destroy plant in a pair of years, but of so lovely color! Well set seeds if handpollinated and seedlings easy grow up to flowering size. Unfortunately virus-infected becomes sterile and so careful check of stock is needed.
Janis
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And another Juno that I have as Iris graeberiana.
Would like to hear if the plant matches the name.
Not the true species but the plant cultivated as Iris graeberiana for many decades. Three cv. names applied 'Yellow Fall' (with yellowish blotch on falls - seems that this is yours plant), 'White Fall' (with white blotch on falls) and 'Dark Form' (by flower indistinguishable from I. zenaidae but sterile). I think that true species isn't in general cultivation yet. Its origin was quite great mistery (given very wide area from where came type plants), but we (Arnis Seisums and I during one of our common trips) seem that discovered it in wild, but I lost my plants (may be few seedlings I still have, but they didn't flowered yet to check identity) and I think that at present it is cultivated only in Arnis's collection and may be in Kew.
Janis
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Janis,
Have you a picture of a true I. graeberiana ?
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Janis,
Have you a picture of a true I. graeberiana ?
Sorry, I don't think so. It was in pre-digital era. May be some slide, but too difficult to find at present.
Janis
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Janis , your yellow I. persica is very ,very beautyful . If I remember correctly it is the same form as the one Michael Kammerlander showed at the Prague Conference 3 years ago.
You are fortunate to grow Crocus almehensis - thank you for the photo ,as I had never seen it before .
Otto.
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Janis , your yellow I. persica is very ,very beautyful . If I remember correctly it is the same form as the one Michael Kammerlander showed at the Prague Conference 3 years ago.
You are fortunate to grow Crocus almehensis - thank you for the photo ,as I had never seen it before .
Otto.
Yes, it is from the same stock.
Crocus almehensis unfortunately is clone and I still didn't got any seed. Would be pleased to swap one corm of mine (plain yellow back of petals) with another corm with striped brown back of petals.
Janis
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Dirk, Luc and Janis, thanks a lot for showin those wonderful and superb grown plants!
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Various stocks of Iris rosenbackiana - in front from Harangon, near Varzob gorge, in back from Tovilj-Dara, both Tadjikistan.
Front right corner - from Sina, Uzbekistan (locus classicus)
Janis
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Crazy mix of wonderful species everybody !
It seem's time for Juno's fireworks as come :o
I'm waiting now for the final piece !!!
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Something different: a seed-raised cross between Iris bucharica and Iris vicaria
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Nice LucS, did you raise it yourself?
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I did. Seed was sown some 8 years ago.
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Last year I got nice present - Iris palestina. I was very disappointed seeing how it develops large leaves in autumn and thought - it certainly will die in winter. Spring came with frost killed leaves and really I thought that bulb died, too. But today - greatest surprise - in rosette of frost killed yellow leaves came up this flower.
On other pictures two forms of Iris galatica and
Iris stenophylla from Moca gec. and its variant described as Siehe under name I. tauri. Are they different - I don't know. When Arnis and I collected it at locus classicus we felt that foliage is different, but is it sufficient? I don't know.
Janis
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Janis,you are very lucky with I palastina. I too like your yellow I persica and the dark tips on the galatica are lovely. Here the weather is so good all the junos seem in a rush! I am limited to the pictures I can post until I learn to reduce their size but here is Iris warlyensis from seed.
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Janis,you are very lucky with I palastina. I too like your yellow I persica and the dark tips on the galatica are lovely. Here the weather is so good all the junos seem in a rush! I am limited to the pictures I can post until I learn to reduce their size but here is Iris warlyensis from seed.
Resizing is very easy. Open picture, click on IMAGE, will open window where you can click on RESIZE, write in dimensions 480 or 640 (depends from your picture - is it vertical or horizontal), if dimensions goes out of those limits, put lower cipher in one of dimension for length x width will not exceed 300 000 pixels, confirm with OK. After that again click on IMAGE and click on SHARPEN (it will make more sharp pictutre after resizing). After that pres ctrl+S, will appear windor - do you want to save, you confirm YES and next click in window - do you want to replace existing file - YES. And all is done. It seem difficult, but is very easy. Start, try and you wil see, how easy it is.
WARNING If you don't want to loss original large size picture you must to create copy of it. I opened on my screen special folder (I named it ScRGCl Forum) in which I'm copying all pictures which I want to show on forum and I'm resizing just those copies and originals remain without changes in their original place.
Janis
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Janis,you are very lucky with I palastina. I too like your yellow I persica and the dark tips on the galatica are lovely. Here the weather is so good all the junos seem in a rush! I am limited to the pictures I can post until I learn to reduce their size but here is Iris warlyensis from seed.
Resizing is very easy. Open picture, click on IMAGE, will open window where you can click on RESIZE, write in dimensions 480 or 640 (depends from your picture - is it vertical or horizontal), if dimensions goes out of those limits, put lower cipher in one of dimension for length x width will not exceed 300 000 pixels, confirm with OK. After that again click on IMAGE and click on SHARPEN (it will make more sharp pictutre after resizing). After that pres ctrl+S, will appear windor - do you want to save, you confirm YES and next click in window - do you want to replace existing file - YES. And all is done. It seem difficult, but is very easy. Start, try and you wil see, how easy it is.
WARNING If you don't want to loss original large size picture you must to create copy of it. I opened on my screen special folder (I named it ScRGCl Forum) in which I'm copying all pictures which I want to show on forum and I'm resizing just those copies and originals remain without changes in their original place.
Janis
- do you want to replace existing file - YES. I'd say NO.... because that will forever reduce your picture.... better to say NO and save the resize with a new name or in another place, as Janis says.
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Thank you Janis, Maggie. I seem to be learning slowly, if these pictures work they are I tubergeniana which I bought as one bulb from you Janis, and a seedling which looks very like graeberiana Yellow Fall, but I grew it from seed which was supposed to be species. Peter
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Iris persica seedling bloomed for the first time, some more are coming.
Janis
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Iris persica seedling bloomed for the first time, some more are coming.
Janis
Ooh, nice tan-flesh color!
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I agree, lovely coulor,I like pesica and galatica very much. Heres some I had out this morning, sorry the top flower on one is over,
Peter
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sorry, I thought I had named them. They are hypolitii, ? caucasica, ?orchioides seedling, and an orchioides i think, there seem to be a great many varients of these small, usually yellow, junos.
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sorry, I thought I had named them. They are hypolitii, ? caucasica, ?orchioides seedling, and an orchioides i think, there seem to be a great many varients of these small, usually yellow, junos.
The picture is not very clear, but I suppose that second could be I svetlaneae.
Janis
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Thanks Janis,
it has a crest, I shall try to post some better pictures but I am at work while the light is good.
at least I am managing to resize the pictures now. Here is a picture of another I svetlanae
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I svetlanae
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I svetlanae
In attachment 4 different aquisitions of I. svetlaneae. Shing - pictured in wild, Tadjikistan, others Uzbekistan origin.
Janis
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Here is my I.svetlanae from March 28
John B
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Iris kuschakewiczii started today.
Janis
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What a stunning juno Janis. Must keep that one in mind.
Pat
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Superb Janis !
I'm still waiting for a flower from mine.. since some years !
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Owing to family illness I'm not getting much time in the garden or the greenhouse at the moment and both my Iris bucharica and I. graeberiana are now way past their best (and I missed the best of them). One that is in good from at the moment is I. 'Blue Mystery' from Susan Band's (Pitcairn Alpines) List. Pics taken in a great hurry.
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Pat, David, super looking plants.
Pat, is yours in the open garden?
Like the 'Blue Mystery' David looks
similar to 'Skyline' and 'Evening Shade'
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Pat, David, super looking plants.
Pat, is yours in the open garden?
Like the 'Blue Mystery' David looks
similar to 'Skyline' and 'Evening Shade'
All three are very similar and I can separate them only seeing side by side. If I would be breeder - I would keep only one, but they are raised by Lithuanian grower (Augis or Leonid, or both, not remember who). Really Juno hybrids from same parents are very similar one to other in F-1 generation and as they usually are sterile, no F-2 possible.
Janis
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Chris I think you were meaning John B rather than myself in your reply.
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a cool sunday with rain,
in flower under protection:
Juno nusariensis from Syria
and Juno svetlanae
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Cheers Pat, one of those snr episodes - again! Congrats John!
Janis, flowered 'Shocking Blue' from Leonid this year and again it is very much like 'Skyline' and others.
They perform well in the open garden and fill a flowering gap between the reticulata types and the oncos.
So far 'Skyline' has been the best for vegetative increase.
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True Iris maracandica from Nuratau mnt, Uzbekistan (Timurlan gate). Mostly under name of I. maracandica are offered I. svetlaneae (see pictures earlier on this topic).
Janis
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FLowering here today:
Iris vicaria 'Hodji-obi-garm'
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A couple from the garden,
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Iris bucharica
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and Iris willmottiana alba.
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Few more Juno Irises from today
Iris albomarginata is more known as Iris coerulea, but really in most cases under this name you will receive Iris zenaidae. Here you can see how looks true I. albomarginata.
Between seedlings of Iris albomarginata appeared this unusual hybrid - good grower.
Iris willmottiana from Kara-Tau is one of most ovely juno irises
Iris tubergeniana has the longest additional roots but flower is very slim
Iris bucharica mostly is known by its bicolored forms, but in nature more distributed are pure yellow plants. This one is from Baldjuan in Tadjikistan.
Janis
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Iris pseudocapnoides from Janis.
Alex
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Pat, David, super looking plants.
Pat, is yours in the open garden?
Like the 'Blue Mystery' David looks
similar to 'Skyline' and 'Evening Shade'
All three are very similar and I can separate them only seeing side by side. If I would be breeder - I would keep only one, but they are raised by Lithuanian grower (Augis or Leonid, or both, not remember who). Really Juno hybrids from same parents are very similar one to other in F-1 generation and as they usually are sterile, no F-2 possible.
Janis
I have three of these plants, the only one I have a name for is 'skyline' one of the other two has bigger flowers and the falls are wider and held out flatter, skyline is the neater plant though
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Janis, from your pictures I svetlanae looks quite variable? how variable is I albomarginata? I a growing the plant you have pictured but also I was sent a plant identical to I graeberiana dark for but it is very slightly paler, I can only tell because they are next to each other.
Here is a picture of a seedling very like I greyberiana yellow fall, it is going over now but has set seed. also a picture of I orchioides kyrgistan gold and I caucasica turcica
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Janis, from your pictures I svetlanae looks quite variable? how variable is I albomarginata? I a growing the plant you have pictured but also I was sent a plant identical to I graeberiana dark for but it is very slightly paler, I can only tell because they are next to each other.
Here is a picture of a seedling very like I greyberiana yellow fall, it is going over now but has set seed. also a picture of I orchioides kyrgistan gold and I caucasica turcica
There are some variation in albomarginata - darker and lighter flowers but my pictures from wild were made prior digital era. It just now starts blooming and may be today I will post some more pictures, although my plants are quite uniform.
Janis
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Last year, my fat luxuriant clumps of Juno Iris were eaten by deer, sheared off to the base of the clasping leaves. After growing these outside for nearly a decade, this is the first time deer ate them, deer only rarely come through, and of course they eat the most treasured items. Subsequently, rain water got into the severed leaf bases and rotted them. I feared all would be lost. Of the 8 species or varieties I had, there is no sign of 3, 3 others only show only a few small non-flowering plants coming up, and two others are flowering, albeit the quantity of bulbs cut way back.
So here is the brave 'Warlsind' flowering this year, a mere remnant of the big clumps of previous years. Has anyone noticed how perfumed the flowers are, one of the few junos with a good fragrance.
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What a shame Mc Mark ! :(
But there's hope for the future !! :D
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As I promissed earlier - here pictures of two forms of Iris albomarginata
and two forms of Iris bucharica - one of unknown origin and with almost black blotchon falls (quite unusual in Junos) and my favourite - pale greenish yellow from very South of Tadjikistan, to which I gave cv. name TONY (in honor of Tony Hall)
and last "duo" - most possibly new Juno sp., at present listed as close to nusairiensis - raised from Archibald seeds.
Janis
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Few more Junos
Iris aucheri form from Bahce vilage, grown up from seeds collected by our team. Flowered for the first time here.
Iris orchioides from Bashkizilsai in Uzbekistan
Iris vicaria from Maihur
Iris zenaidae - one of very good forms
Iris svetlaneae hybrid which appeared between seedslings
and as last - juno iris from outside garden. Weather is very cool and it is still blooming - Iris rosenbackiana Harangon
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Wonderful selection Janis!
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Makes me crazy... Thank's Janis >:( :o :P
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Last year, my fat luxuriant clumps of Juno Iris were eaten by deer, sheared off to the base of the clasping leaves. After growing these outside for nearly a decade, this is the first time deer ate them, deer only rarely come through, and of course they eat the most treasured items. Subsequently, rain water got into the severed leaf bases and rotted them. I feared all would be lost. Of the 8 species or varieties I had, there is no sign of 3, 3 others only show only a few small non-flowering plants coming up, and two others are flowering, albeit the quantity of bulbs cut way back.
So here is the brave 'Warlsind' flowering this year, a mere remnant of the big clumps of previous years. Has anyone noticed how perfumed the flowers are, one of the few junos with a good fragrance.
I have a very normal looking bicolour form of bucharica which smells strongly of apricot and a white magnifica form strongly scented of vanilla,
willmottiana alba is another great plant with a scent
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All looking very good Janis !
Thanks for showing ! :D
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Janis , thank you so much for sharing with us all those gorgeous Junos , in particular seeing for the first time I. aff. nusairiensis , bucharica Tony Hall , and the svetlaneae hyb.
Otto.
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The first is compact seedling of Iris vicaria with very large flowers and of deeper shade than usual vicarias. Marked by me as "ex-ex-ex" :)
Next is Iris caucasica from Mchet near Tbilisi, Georgia, where I'm going tomorrow. Really flower isn't so white, the real shade is slightly greenish-yellowish
The last two are two hybrids raised by Alan McMurtrie. He crossed not only reticulatas, but some Juno irises, too.
Janis
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So many beautiful Juno Iris. Janis, the selection of I. vicaria are interesting, one of my favorite species. My huge cabbage-patch of Juno Iris, including a very large +100 stem clump of I. vicaria, were all nearly wiped out last year when deer came in and feasted on them, and the severed plants rotted. Deer are rare in my yard, but when they do come in, they have an uncanny ability to zero in on the most precious plants. This year almost none of them came back, so I offer up these photos of ghost Junos-of-the-past.
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I have heard venison is good to eat, personally I like wearing leather too at times like this!
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Mark what a loss - just when you might be thinking that they were doing so well. You never know when disaster might strike and you lose something that you thought was doing well. Seems that you can never be complacent with plants.
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my last Juno for this spring,
a dwarf form from Juno orchioides
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Sometime over Christmas I moved a pot of Iris 'Blue Warlsind' out of the greenhouse onto the path outside. here is has sat ever since. Here it is today.
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" if you love your plants -put them out" ::)
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It seems to have liked the "outing" Anthony ! ;)
... and even the pot survived the heavy frosts .. :o
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It seems to have liked the "outing" Anthony ! ;)
... and even the pot survived the heavy frosts .. :o
I think the free draining nature of the planting medium prevented excess moisture in the terracotta so the pot survived.
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Janis I like the I caucasica from Mchet - will you have any available?
Two junos in flower today in the ground at my sisters (higher altitude) I magnifica seedlings and I orchioides urungatschsai, Just waiting for aitchesonii if it flowers, it usually makes me think it wont then it does, and cycloglossa and that will be all my junos for this year :(
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Alan McMurtrie in early years made some crosses with Juno irises, too. Some are very beautiful but this one I like more than all others. It is tall as magnifica, extremely floriferous and of excellent color.
Janis
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I just been asked for contact details for Jan Jelik in Czechoslovakia. As I have not dealt with him does anyone have his contact details?
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Pat, I do not know contact details for this person. I would draw your attention to this page from ther old SRGC Forum: http://www.srgc.org.uk/discus/messages/149/3760.html :-\ :-\ :-\
There was considerable concern there for the fact that much of the merchandise was wild collected.
Caution advised, I think.
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Thanks Maggi for the cautionary notes from 2004. It is up to my contact whether he follows up. He had bought junos from Jan J in the past but had lost contact over the years.
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I just been asked for contact details for Jan Jelik in Czechoslovakia. As I have not dealt with him does anyone have his contact details?
As I know, he contacts by e-mails. My last contact was 2005, then address was Jan Jílek
E-mail Address(es):
jilekjan@hotmail.com
Is it still valid, don't know.
Janis
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This the contact I am using, have placed an order. He has been ill for 2 years and could not do
his garden and business. plants@onet.eu
John B
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As I know, he contacts by e-mails. My last contact was 2005, then address was Jan Jílek
E-mail Address(es):
jilekjan@hotmail.com
Is it still valid, don't know.
Janis
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The last of my small collection of Junos to flower. Iris cycloglossa.
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Its beautiful David and always such a surprise when it finaly opens! :)
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Thanks Peter. Good job I pictured it yesterday it's well past it's best today.
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Here is my cycloglossa getting going now :)
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Looks a much stronger plant than mine Peter, mine produced only one flower.
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I dont think I usually get more than four, but sometimes as many as six per bulb, lots of water and food, It' not flowering so well this year my guess is because of the lack of sun last July >:(
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Mine was probably starved. I'm trying to loose some weight and think that everyone (and everything)should do the same! ::)
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My Iris cycloglossa flowered during a several day stint of high heat (94 F, 35 C), and as a result they went over very quickly and didn't have a chance to take an updated photo. So here are a few photos from 2008 when the weather was cooler and more condusive to a longer flowering period.
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Watch this space Mark 'cos I started planting it out last August! :P
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The first flowering of Juno Iris planifolia from seed sown 20-04-2008,
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Planted out in a raised bed 4 months ago, so heavily protected from slugs!
cheers
fermi
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Nice one Fermi!!
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Wow - that's quick Fermi and looks great as well !!
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Lovely planifolia, I think I might try some outside, It seams to have a shorter dormancy than some
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Iris planifolia is still flowering. Noticed that one of the blooms was lacking the yellow. Far too many redlegged spider mites or whatever the rotters are called on the flowers.
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is the white signal a stable characteristic Pat, I dont know if it normally occurs but it is pretty. planifolia has a big distribution -are the plants from the same source?
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Yes grown from seed from Maurice Boussard via the BIS. I will have to check earlier photos to see if the white or yellow predominates in the clump
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The first flowering of Juno Iris planifolia from seed sown 20-04-2008,
cheers
fermi
Not much of a wait for me then Fermi.;D
Iris planifolia x AGC of British Columbia ---sown Jan 09.
Although getting it to flower in our shady conditions will be a challenge i think.
Cheers dave.
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Just when I thought Iris planifolia had finished for the year here is a photo taken yesterday. Having such a large clump I seem to have flowers for a few months.
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A very impressive clump Pat !! :o :o
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Thanks Luc - yes it is says she as she touches the wooden desk.
Found out the camera battery was dead this morning so this afternoon it got an hour on the charger until I saw that the really dark blue Leylek aucheri was in flower and that the bud on the right of the clump is another Iris planifolia with white markings instead of the usual yellow flash. It is definitely tagged now so that I know for later. Yesterday was a glorious day but I was working all day and it was only late this afternoon that I was able to check what was flowering - after 8mls of rain so any pollen is gone!!! :'( :'( :'(
As the battery needs charging again before I can download anything the photos will have to wait till Wed to be downloaded. :( :(
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A very impressive clump Pat !! :o :o
your not wrong there Luc ;)
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Here is the promised photo of Iris planifolia with the white markings.
Also the Iris aucheri ex Leylek Station that I showed last year when it flowered for the first time - now here it is second year flowering.
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Pat,
wow wow wow :o
I love that "Leylek Station" Iris aucheri- such a stunning colour.
I definitely think we need a Juno Bed ;D
cheers
fermi
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Pat , from the same collection in Turkey and collectors my I.aucheri 'Shooting Star' taken today in the rain - so your photo is of superior quality . I think the flower is even darker in reality. I only wished the smaller Junos would do as well here in the open ground as the taller ones . Your climate is much more suitable for Junos and Oncos than here in The Dandenongs.
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Pat, Otto - fantastic plants - it is so nice to see flowering Junos while we still have to wait some months!
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Fermi yes you do need a juno bed. Otto I love you aucheri too - such a richer colour than some.
Another view of the Iris aucheri ex Leylek Station after two days of wind and rain. I would say it is more a deeper purple rather than deep blue.
Found another juno whose name I will have to check tomorrow flowering too.
There appear to be quite a few junos which will flower for the first time this year. Watch this space ;)
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Wow ! :o :o :o
Gorgeous plants Pat and Otto !!! :o
Don't let us keep you from posting more... 8) ;)
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Absolutely, I join with Luc in hoping for more :D
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Iris aucheri ex Leylek Station with the original flower and a second one.
Also two shots of lovely clumps.
One is Sindper (or is it Sindpur according to Mathew) and the other came as Iris leptophylla seed as you can see from the tag.
It will be interesting to see what flowers appear.
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Hi Pat, did you get the :o 'leptophylla' :o seed from Tims 02 and 03 seed lists? I got a couple of nice orchioides types and lusitanica, nicholi and fosteriana, but an awfull lot of them turned into vicaria or else geyberiana hybreds :-\, It sure dont look like a pseudoregelia ::) hope its a good juno though
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Peter I hope you will be able to name the juno when it flowers. The "leptophylla" was received 5.1.05 from the BIS seedlist as 132 Iris leptophylla TL UK which I take to be Tim Loe - yes I agree it has to be a juno of some sort.
I looked at the Jillik(?) website last night and I sure wish he had not labled all the Junos as he did as we need the correct bot name to receive them in Australia
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Peter I hope you will be able to name the juno when it flowers. The "leptophylla" was received 5.1.05 from the BIS seedlist as 132 Iris leptophylla TL UK which I take to be Tim Loe - yes I agree it has to be a juno of some sort.
I looked at the Jillik(?) website last night and I sure wish he had not labled all the Junos as he did as we need the correct bot name to receive them in Australia
Pat , please do take a photo of your 'leptophylla ' when in flower . Maybe it was misspelled and should be leptorrhiza , a little known russian Juno .They certainly look healthy and vigorous .
Otto .
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That would be exciting Otto if it proves to be I. leptorrhiza
Pat
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third flower on the stem of Iris aucheri ex Leylek Station
Does anyone have any information on Leylek Station?????
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Incredible colour Pat !
is it true or modified by the camera ?
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Superb Plant, Pat!
As I know the plants from "Leylek Station" in Turkey all came from a KPPZ collection (M. Kammerlander, E. Pasche, J. Perssson & H. Zetterlund) - It seems to be a very variable population from white to darkest blue. Michael Kammerlander showed me a picture of plants rised from seeds of this collection, they were unbelivable different - all colourshades were present.
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Pat, my understanding is exactly the same as Hans but I think I read somewhere that the original collection was of seed. There are a number of named clones eg. 'Leylek Ice' and 'Leylek Lilac'.
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but I think I read somewhere that the original collection was of seed.
Yes, I think so - sorry when expressed me wrong. :-[
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When I think station I think of a railway station or a great sheep or beef property. Was Leylek Station a reserve, an area, town, or what???
Were any papers published about this collection in any journals or is there a source somewhere to read the findings etc?
Fred if anything I would say that the colour should have more dark purple in it. I will take up the colour charts and try to find the correct colour.
I will post a couple of photos of aril hybrids later that seem to be a very similar colour but comes out bluer too with my Nikon D3000.
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The colour of the Leylek Station aucheri is 834 Royal Purple or 934 Plum Purple - can't tell for sure as they are so very similar.
The other junos which are going to flower - possibly - are from Anne Blanco-White in 2003 mainly
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Checking the irises late this afternoon I found Sindper/Sindpur in flower. Now to check that it is correct. Used its own pollen on itself - now to wait and see if they are self sterile like the arils.
Seems that Sindper and Sindpur may be two different named forms - after a google search. I also found that this is different to one on John Londsdale's site. Must get out Mathew and read up now.
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That would be exciting Otto if it proves to be I. leptorrhiza
Pat
paul christian is selling this fantastic juno here in the uk pat http://rareplants.co.uk/popuplargeimage.asp?s=vmiXpw563239&strImage=5098.jpg&strImageType=version&strPageTitle=Iris%20leptorhiza
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Davey Iris aucheri Shooting Star is just about a match with the royal purple aucheri that I grow.
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That would be exciting Otto if it proves to be I. leptorrhiza
Pat
paul christian is selling this fantastic juno here in the uk pat http://rareplants.co.uk/popuplargeimage.asp?s=vmiXpw563239&strImage=5098.jpg&strImageType=version&strPageTitle=Iris%20leptorhiza
Yes, and so is Jan Jilek
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Sindper taken this evening after thunder, lightning and rain all day
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Pat, my understanding is exactly the same as Hans but I think I read somewhere that the original collection was of seed. There are a number of named clones eg. 'Leylek Ice' and 'Leylek Lilac'.
Pat, I think I was wrong in suggesting that the original collection was of seed. Here's a quote from Janis Ruksan's book "Buried Treasures"
"The 1990 KPPZ expedition from Gothenburg came across Iris aucheri in full bloom at Leylak Station. They collected some exceptional colour forms, including 'Shooting Star' with almost blackish-blue flowers with a white crest on the falls. 'Leylek Ice' with ice white flowers and a creamy yellow crest, 'Snow White' with pure white flowers and 'Vigour' with deep blue flowers and very light blue almost white falls..........."
Doesn't answer your query as to what Leylek Station was but I suspect it was really a train or bus station. If you drop Janis an Email I'm sure he would clarify.
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Thanks for the suggestion David to contact Janis - will do.
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Folks, I have the answer today, direct from Adil Guner of the Nezahat Gökyiğit Botanik Bahçesi ( the wonderful botanic garden at Istanbul, built in a motorway intersection..... www.ngbb.gen.tr ) who was the Speaker today for two great talks at the Royal Botanic Garden Edinburgh for the SRGC 'late bulb day'.
As luck would have it, Adil showed us a wonderful slide of the Leylek region, with acres upon acres of Iris aucheri..... sadly these are now all gone, the area heavily developed. The Lelylek Station refers to just that... a railway station! 8)
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Thanks Maggi - a railway station with bulbs????
These were naturally occuring in the area of the station?? Were they bred by the station master of the equivalent in Turkey.? or is it like a botanic garden built at a highway intersection?
That is the first time I have seen a botanical garden at an intersection. :o
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As I understand it, Pat, the area used to be rather wild and uninhabited and the flowers were just wild in the general vicinity of the station, which seems to have been somewhat remote.
The Botanic garden is spread over various "loops" in the motrway intersections, though mostly in one main large area- it is unique... there are (as yet!) no other botanic gardens in such a situation anywhere in the world!
There is not much problem with pollution in the garden, in spite of the traffic, because of strong prevailing winds in the area blowing engine fumes away.
One of the main aims of the garden is to educate people about the rich diversity of the Turkish flora so that is what drives their collection. They hope by 2015 to have 80 per cent of the native flora represented in the garden.... with some 8500 or so species, that is no mean goal! I think they're at about 30 per cent now and concentrating on geophytes.
They have lots of projects to engage children ,too, which is a great idea.
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Yes it is a pretty amazing place to site a botanic garden. Thanks for the extra info Maggi. Just a pity that progress seems to diminish the native plants in an area.
Now I would like a year of release of Sindpers if anyone has the details - I edit a one page newsletter for the South Australian Iris Society. Just a few pictures and words to describe whatever I have featured. This month will be the few junos that have flowered recently. Been educating our members on species as much as possible ;) :) ;D
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Iris 'Sindpers (syn. Iris x sindpers T. Hoog)
- from the Plant Awards 1993-1994 AGS bulletin 62/427 , written by Tony Hall when the plant was given an AM (Award of Merit ) from the RHS Joint rock plant committee when "shown on 26th January 1993 by the Director, RBG Kew "
"Iris 'Sindpers' was raised by Thomas Hoog (of the famous bulb-company van Tubergen) in the 1920s, and gained an A.M. from the Dutch in 1933. This is the loveliest of all Juno hybrids, combining the tractability and large, ruffled flowers of Iris aucheri ( syn. I sindjarenesis) with the dwarfness and delicate, translucent colouring if Iris persica . "
I can photograph the whole report and post this later if required.
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Maggi I would love a copy of the report when you have a chance.
Thanks again.
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Will do, Pat.
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Another juno flowering for the first time and it has lost its tag but looking at the SIGNA database site it has to be Iris magnifica
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Sorry for the delay... here is the Irs 'Sindpers' report by Tony Hall from the AGS Bulletin of the Plant Awards pages :
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Thanks so much Maggi
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Taken late this afternoon before the rain.
Iris vicaria ex ABW
A close up
Iris bucharica
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The juno and aril patch showing what is labelled as Iris vicaria on the right and the supposed Iris leptophylla on the left - look the same to me.
Then a closeup of vicaria(?)
And then the misnamed juno ??? :-\
Are they both magnifica?
Names please?
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The juno and aril patch showing what is labelled as Iris vicaria on the right and the supposed Iris leptophylla on the left - look the same to me.
Then a closeup of vicaria(?)
And then the misnamed juno ??? :-\
Are they both magnifica?
Names please?
Both yellow and white ones look like Iris bucharica to me; I'm uploading two pics of what I grew as I. vicaria.
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Thanks Mark - it looks like I have some mislabelled junos. Your clumps are absolutely amazing.
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Thanks Mark - it looks like I have some mislabelled junos. Your clumps are absolutely amazing.
Thanks. Earlier in this thread, I wrote that in spring 2009 deer came in and ate all my Juno Iris to mere stubs, the huge clumps of I. vicaria included, then with rain water getting into the severed leaf bases the plants rotted off, with hardly anything showing up in 2010. :'(
http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=4764.msg149163#msg149163
http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=4764.msg149488#msg149488
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Now that you mention it I do remember that earlier post. Wildlife can certainly do damage.
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Pat, on pic 1465, are you trying to cross onco with juno ?? ;D ;)
Very very nice and so big patches...
You're really lucky to have such a climate !
But I also can imagine how hard you should have to work to keep them healthy.
Congratulations !
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Pat, post a picture of your Juno in side on, There are many forms of vicaria, The ones I know all have spindly flowers - quite distinct when fully open, Magnifica has much broader falls which dont crease down the centre the way vicaria does. Vicarias falls have a waist or 'pinched apearance unlike magnifica, and magnifica has broad style arms, but vicarias are wispy. see earlier posts -there are pictures. anyway a lot of that seed turned into magnifica (and some into x graeberiana) for me too. ::)
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The styles look like magnifica Pat, see if the falls pinch.
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Peter I hope these photos show what you need. The falls are definitely 'pinched'
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Hi Pat, your posts 252 and 255 are correct so you can compare, these look intermediate in the pictures, I think they will turn out to be magnifica though, pinched falls indicate vicaria but the flowers look too chunky I'll try to check the details of the stands etc but you can see the narrow hafts on your vicaria from Annes seed (ABW) in your earlier post.
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the clump of not Iris leptophyllum now
and a not very good photo of the left side of the clump
It is a very mixed clump :D
The last photo is where I grow the Iris vicaria and a few other junos in the middle of this patch
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Iris bucharica ex PF8223 Paul's Yellow ex ABW - I find yellows hard to photograph
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I like the Paul Furse bucharica Pat
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Pat , wonderful news ,to know that one of Paul Furse's I. bucharica is still in cultivation . Please keep it alive ! I used to grow many of Paul's bulb indroductions , he was very generous in sending me me lots of seeds in the 1960 's from his expeditions to Turkey, Iran , Afghanistan. Also had the joy of staying with Paul and Polly at 'Hegghill' twice and seeing some of their introductions growing there.
2 late Junos flowering here in the last few days.
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Wonderful Junos Pat and Otto !!!
Thanks for showing !
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Hello Otto,
I have found yellow dushanbe to be more sensitive than other commonly cultivated forms of bucharica. I think that your bucharica x warlyensis is the plant doing the rounds here as "Blue Warlsind". Did you reproduce the cross yourself? It is a very good value plant as I grow it.
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Otto you do have some really choice junos and will have more in time if all the seed germinate.
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Pat and Otto,
Fantastic photos! Just caught up on the last 5 pages or so. Some beauties in there. Otto's aucheri 'Shooting Star' was absolutely gorgeous in person. It was in flower when I was down there visiting him in September. Such a beautifully deep colour. I love the various bucharicas too. I have tried it a couple of times years ago and lost it each time. I really must try it again now that I have finally cracked the juno growing, as I have now had a few of them survive two years or more (3 years in the case of my seedlings I think). Given that bucharica is supposed to be the easiest, I was rather reticent about trying any others, but after germinating some seed one year and having them survive for 12 months I decided to try some more. I think I have about 10 of them now, but still no bucharica. Must get it from Marcus this summer..... the addiction continues. ;D ;D
Thanks again for showing us your wonderful treasures.
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When South and North meet together.... First to flower here is Iris planifolia, protected in the Onco's frame.
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b e a u t i f u l Fred !!
Well done !
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Good to see the bulbs separated and the flowers being able to be seen well.
Lovely photo Fred
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Excellent, Fred. Thanks for showing us. 8)
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lovely condition Fred, mine sufferd from the prolonged frost last spring but there are some buds...
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One of my favourite ones and also one of the first to flower, Iris edomensis, from Jordan mountains
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So exquisite Fred.
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A gem Fred.
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Perfect description, Pat. An exquisite flower and an exquisite photograph. Thanks so much, Fred.
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i love the waterfall pattern stunning
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One of my favourite ones ...
:o :o :o
Not only yours, Fred!
Just breathtaking!
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WOWW :o
I am speechless...
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Thank's all for kind comments :)
I've putted more pics in my gallery and I hope Miriam will get her voice back ;D
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Fred, you are a magician !! :o :o
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Congratulations Fred, I would love to grow this one. I saw a very small plant of it in Kew a few years ago with a small seed capsule- I missed the flower, yours is looking fantastic!
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Not a magician at all, only passion ;D ;)
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Thank you Fred , for sharing this photo of the bizarre -beautyful I. edomensis , as most likely I will not see it in the flesh in my lifetime
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I keep going back to look at your Iris edomensis, Fred, it's absolutely stunning and I wonder how it looks in its habitat in Jordan's mountains ::)
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Here also the first Iris planifolia has started to flower.
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What a clump Hans !!! :o :o
How many years ??
And I also can see you had some showers ;D
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What an amazing bouquet! Muy pretty!!
Very nice photo with the drops which we wish to see also here ::)
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Here also the first Iris planifolia has started to flower.
:o :o :o :o
It gets more impressive every year Hans !!
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One of my favourite ones and also one of the first to flower, Iris edomensis, from Jordan mountains
Not normal!
A real gem
Hendrik
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A fabulous clump Hans.
Does anyone know anything about the form Pat showed without a yellow signal?
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Lovely lovely well grown clump Hans. Well done. It is a great iris and if it likes you does really well.
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Wow, a stunning photo of your lovely group of I. Planifolia, Hans.
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Gorgeous clump, Hans, and enhanced by the raindrops.
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Here also the first Iris planifolia has started to flower.
Wonderfull clump!
Hendrik
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Thanks to all.
I started this clump with three or four seedlings about six years ago, in 2009 I had to transplant and split it as it became to large and started to cover some smaller Oncos. Divisions of those are now growing in several countries. :)
As it is still more beautiful with a bit of sunshine:
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drool...drool...drool... ;D :D ;)
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Hans , words fail me
otto
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drool...drool...drool... ;D :D ;)
Me also, sore chin time again ;D
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You're right Hans ... better with sun !
I also like the nice and vigourous leaves in the background... ;D ;) ;) ;D
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Thanks for this nice bunch of flowers Hans :D
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Thanks for the kind comments!
I also like the nice and vigourous leaves in the background... ;D ;) ;) ;D
I suppose you mean the leaves of Iris unguicularis subsp. cretensis. ;)
Found recently some Oncoseedlings on my footpath - will be all pure species, but I will have to wait their flower to know to which species they belong.
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Hans - The first onco seed I ever germinated was one I found on the path 10 days after sowing and 2 or 3 days after a thunder storm
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Glorious, Hans. Good luck with the Onco seedlings in your footpath. Amazing to have them so happily seeding, or do you mean that you dropped some seed that you'd brought in?
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first flowering Juno persica
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Fine photo of this great flower, Gerhard, thank you.
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Well done indeed Gerhard !
Isn't this very early ? ???
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Fantastic picture Gerhard!
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SUPERB Gerhard !
Do you grow it in glasshouse ?
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Iris palaestina, nearly over, given to me by a kind friend this year. It is related to Iris planifolia and will cross with it.
It was frozen in the sand and I brought it into the house to finish opening. It is also said to be a little tender.
This year I held back its flowering with carefull watering, next year I shall try to have it flower before winter starts.
I find that prolonged freezing of a juno flower, when it starts to open, will kill the bud; which then rots and the rot kills the whole plant. I did manage to prevent this with I planifolia last year but the plants were set back.
Most years I have one or other of the physocaulons (rosenbachiana group) flower in November. This year I have managed to keep their shoots just level with the top dressing. Just as a juno flower prevented from opening will die and rot, a juno into top growth will wither if it does not have enough water to cary on growing.
As the bulbs and tubers are annual, this is usually disastrous.
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Uhm ... I better dig up my junos in one patch before the rain and heat destroy them.
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Peter , nice to see your I. palaestina in flower . I once flowered it in 2 years from seed , but that was 41 years ago .Maybe I was more clever then or the climate was more suitable ?
Pat , I have started to lift some Junos from the open ground , we have had the wettest winter/spring/early summer for about 20 years and now heat .However with so many years of drought here ,all my gardening friends commented that we will never complain about too much rain again .
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Otto we too have had lots of late rain after drought - good to know that you are lifting your junos too.
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Peter, wonderful picture of Iris palaestina and the masses of snow - same species here in flower (pressed by Tulipa saxatilis).
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You're early Hans ;D
Nice to see this species flowering, and big plant :o
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Thanks Hans,
I should have taken the picture the day before though. The flower on mine reminded me a little of Iris vartinii with its blue veining. Your plant is much whiter and looks very healthy. Do different populations have distinct colours?
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Thanks Fred and Peter. There are different clones planted together so it looks like a big plant ;). The colour varies a bit (nearly white/pale yellow, some with a bluish pattern) - sorry I do not know how the populations vary in nature (think Oron posted once pictures of a population) - our israelian forumist might know it. ;)
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Very nice plants Peter and Hans! Here it is still not in flower.
Iris palaestina flowers are white to yellowish. In the southern populations in Israel (northern parts of the Negev desert), it becomes more bluish.
This bluish form (I.palaestina var. caerulea) is actually considered by Mathew to a separate species - Iris postii, which is also found in the eastern arid parts of Jordan, the Syrian desert and western Iraq.
Iris postii is related to Iris palaestina and Iris regis-uzziae.
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Thankyou Miriam,
both Hans plants and mine have blue markings, Hans's on white or cream and mine on yellow.
Does var caerulea /postii have a blue ground instead of the yellow or cream? or do the blue markings merge together?
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Very nice plants Peter and Hans! Here it is still not in flower.
Iris Palestine flowers are white to yellowish. In the southern populations in Israel (northern parts of the Negev desert), it becomes more bluish.
This bluish form (I.Palestine var. Carola) is actually considered by Mathew to a separate species - Iris post ii, which is also found in the eastern arid parts of Jordan, the Syrian desert and western Iraq.
Iris post ii is related to Iris Palestine and Iris regicide.
Hi Miriam
I must disagree with this observation:
In my opinion the Bluish forms that are found in the northern Negev Desert are intermediate forms between I. Palestina and Iris reggis-uzziae, that is the area where populations overlope.
Iris postii grows much further to the east mainly in the eastern Jordan deserts, in Mafraq and Azraq, it is a smaller species, with dark pink/purple flowers with different structure to the flower.
There is quite a good picture of it at Dawud M.H Al-Eisawi's book: Wild Flowers of Jordan.
Bluish colored I. palaestina can appear very rarely in the Israeli northen populations, last year i have found 3 plants which i have shown here but these where the only ones in between thousands of typical colored flowers.
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Hi Miriam
I must disagree with this observation:
In my opinion the Bluish forms that are found in the northern Negev Desert are intermediate forms between I. Palestina and Iris reggis-uzziae, that is the area where populations overlope.
Iris postii grows much further to the east mainly in the eastern Jordan deserts, in Mafraq and Azraq, it is a smaller species, with dark pink/purple flowers with different structure to the flower.
There is quite a good picture of it at Dawud M.H Al-Eisawi's book: Wild Flowers of Jordan.
Hi Oron,
This is what written in the Red Book by Shmida ???
By the way, David says Toda for the parcel ;)
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It looks as though I can squeeze this through in this year (as the new year fast approacheth): after all the rare junos pictured on this site, I hesitate to show pix of a mere Iris bucharica, but these pictures were taken in a park: I doubt that there are many parks anywhere where you can find literally thousands of Iris bucharica clumping up so nicely...and there are quite a few other kinds of junos that were planted here as well. The park is called Centennial Park, in downtown Denver. Alas! It is likely going to be decommissioned fairly soon since it was put in an area with no parking and difficult access. It was meant to be a formal garden utilizing low water plantings--and the bulbs just love it. I am even including a shot of tulips at the end to show just how well things naturalize there...but the lavish use of Iris bucharica is my favorite part: we have divided them and made some spectacular plantings at Denver Botanic Gardens too I shall share anon (once I find those blasted pictures!)...
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A wonderfull set of pictures Kelaidis. bucharica is a great plant and not to be belittled!
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Wow to be able to grow such great numbers of junos and tulips. So muh more interesting than a bed of petunias. Thanks for posting.
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Fantastic to see so many Junos!!!
Edit by Maggi : New 2011 thread here: http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=6439.0