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Bulbs => Bulbs General => Topic started by: Melvyn Jope on January 02, 2011, 08:55:26 PM
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A Happy New Year to all Cyclamen enthusiasts.
Looking around in the greenhouse today I found a couple of remaining flowers on Cyclamen cilicium and C.hederifolium but C. persicum ssp autumnale is looking good despite the cold weather that we have had.
I think the most interesting plants at the moment are the flowers on C.elegans, the first plant has a regular leaf pattern, the second a more silver appearance. I grow them under glass here fearing that they would not survive outside.
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Melvyn,
By way of overlap, I found the first flower for the summer season on a Cyclamen hederifolium in a pot on the 27th of December. A cooler spring has meant that it is a little later than has been the last few years (probably a week or so). I used to always think of Cyc hed as summer/autumn, but they are definitely the height of summer here. With the much wetter winter spring we've had here it will be interesting to see how their flowering is affected.
Thanks for the pics. You don't often see elegans, and those are beauties. 8)
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Nice to see some 'perfect' flowers. I spotted the first Cyclamen coum flowers in the garden today, looking a little sad. All my C coum are seed raised from various sources quite a while ago, added to be self sowing. The recent cold and ice has left significant damage to the foliage in some places, although not all plants are affected. Perhaps those which have suffered most have elegans genes in them? I have not seen cold damage like this before (in 20 years) - the melting snow refroze several times before the thaw set in, sitting on the foliage below as a hard, icy crust, not an 'insulating blanket' of snow at all. Hope it killed off a few pests as well!
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Great pictures Melvyn. Here the snow melts slowly in the rock garden but some parts are snowfree...
First picture : Cyclamen coum and second Cyclamen cilicium.
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Coum
1-3
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a unusual Cyclamen purpurascens,
in flower since July 2010
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Udo,
Great strong colour, and I just LOVE those leaves. What a beauty!! :o
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A Cyclamen coum which was sown in January 2010 flowering here for the first time.
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That's a quick mover, Wim!
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That's a quick mover, Wim!
I thought so too.
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Here are Cyclamen coum Golan Heights and the silver leaved form of Cyclamen (coum) elegans.
Gerd
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Wow, I'm once again, jealous! Wim, what did you feed that thing! Atomic waste?
Mine are all still under snow, as I grow them exclusively in the garden, but I did notice some deep magenta, or should I say cyclamen coloured spots in the melting ice. I must say, there a few plants with such a satisfying effect in the awakening garden.
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Wim, what did you feed that thing! Atomic waste?
;D ;D I just made sure it kept on growing for the entire year without going into rest.
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Wim, what did you feed that thing! Atomic waste?
;D ;D I just made sure it kept on growing for the entire year without going into rest.
Interesting, then it doesn't require deep cold and a rest in order to produce blossoms. Good to know, even if <i continue to grow them solely in the garden.
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Wim, what did you feed that thing! Atomic waste?
;D ;D I just made sure it kept on growing for the entire year without going into rest.
Interesting, then it doesn't require deep cold and a rest in order to produce blossoms. Good to know, even if <i continue to grow them solely in the garden.
Actually, I think they do need rest. Only not in their first year.
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This Cyclamen coum is starting flowering today in the garden.
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Melvyn - From your hederifolium seed. You can see the first leaf on the right - silver but not earth-shattering, second leaf produced to the left - much the same. What's exciting are the two new leaves that appeared this week showing fairly strong pink for a hederifolium and ala mirabile. Excuse the photos taken under fluorescents.
johnw
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John,
Wow, they are pink, aren't they!! I'd never heard of pink in hederifolium leaves until here on these forums. Keep us posted on how this seedling develops. I can only imagine how impressive that could look as a mature plant producing a mass on new leaves. :o
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Just a couple of seed grown Cyclamen coum. The first one, for some reason (amnesia!), didn't get into my database and I haven't a clue where I got the seed from or when I sowed it. The second came as C. coum Silver Leaf Form was from SRGC Seed Ex, 1054/07 sown late August 2008 and flowering for the first time. I'm a bit late in picturing this and some of the flowers are obviously past their best.
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A Cyclamen kuznetzovii from Janis.
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A Cyclamen kuznetzovii from Janis.
Alex - Great to see a flower on kuznetzovii at long last. I have hopes it will be hardier than the rather unreliable coum. I have only one seedling but it is happy enough under lights but not inclined to start into growth just yet. Have you noticed minute reddish hairs on undeveloped shoots near the growing point? I though they were rather unusual but can't say I've compared with anything other than hairless coums here.
johnw
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It's very nice Alex but it looks like plain old coum to me, or am I being a philistine. I couldn't find any reference to it in Grey-Wilson 2002 so any help to improve my eduction would be appreciated.
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This one is a shy flowerer. A deep color.
Cyclamen coum 'Yayladgi'
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It's very nice Alex but it looks like plain old coum to me, or am I being a philistine. I couldn't find any reference to it in Grey-Wilson 2002 so any help to improve my eduction would be appreciated.
May depend on which of CG-W's books you read?
This may be a little help.....only abstract and first page available...
http://www.springerlink.com/content/3q74h3155002101t/
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Some Cyclamen persicum. The pale pink right is flowering since september, the left is just coming into flower and was grown from seeds from the AGS-seedex some 5 years ago as C. persium "deep pink". Never had it in flower but oddly the flowerstalks are half the length of the normal forms like the white next to it. It is indeed deep pink but is a very compact, robust plant. Need to pamper it a bit this year so I can have more flowers on it next year but it is a strange persicum....
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Hi David,
I'm afraid I can't give chapter and verse, we'll need to ask Janis to comment. i do know that this taxon is not recognised by many European botanists but is apparently better recognised locally, hence the article Maggi links to (Moscow Botanical Journal or whatever it was!)
alex
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It's very nice Alex but it looks like plain old coum to me, or am I being a philistine. I couldn't find any reference to it in Grey-Wilson 2002 so any help to improve my eduction would be appreciated.
David - see C G-W's second book (1997) p 70 & p 171. According to him, it is what it looks like i.e., a form of C. coum.subsp. coum.
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It's very nice Alex but it looks like plain old coum to me, or am I being a philistine. I couldn't find any reference to it in Grey-Wilson 2002 so any help to improve my eduction would be appreciated.
David - see C G-W's second book (1997) p 70 & p 171. According to him, it is what it looks like i.e., a form of C. coum.subsp. coum.
Thanks for that Gerry, I have the 2002 update of the 1997 book and I found it from your page references. I agree with CG-W, I'm sure he'd be pleased to know that! ;D
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Brightening up my day C alpinum from Cyclamen Soc seed sown some 3 years ago. My larger plants are not yet in flower
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One Cyclamen coum grows in my garden - today I found it in flower!
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Today I found This beautiful green one
in between the Cyclamen coum albissimum Golan Hight
Roland
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Cyclamen kusnetzovii from Crim (leaves on left side are from neighbour pots)
Janis
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Today, this Cyclamen coum on his peak.
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Today I found This beautiful green one
in between the Cyclamen coum albissimum Golan Hight
Roland
What an extraordinary flower form.... this cannot be a cyclamen, can it?
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Maggie
Maybe it chances when it opens more
I had last year 2 small green flowers in an other plant
I will ad a picture in a few weeks if they open more
I will pollinate every few days
and hope it sets a lot of seeds
Roland
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Cyclamen persicum cw Rhodes or Israel #3249-12
This seedling dates back to the mid-1980's.
I also have a much pinker one from the same collection but tonight it is camera-shy.
johnw
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Cyclamen persicum cw Rhodes or Israel #3249-12
This seedling dates back to the mid-1980's.
I also have a much pinker one from the same collection but tonight it is camera-shy.
johnw
John, that is a tribute to your abilities. I don't even want to tell you what I was doing when you planted that seed! Just beautiful and full of grace.
Jamie
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hey, after the hard winter the first Cyclamen coums are flowering.
and today is a nice sunny day to take some pics :)
these are my "pure white flower" cultivars.
Cyclamen coum 'George Bisson'
(http://www.bildercache.de/bild/20110208-152213-955.jpg)
Cyclamen coum 'Lake Effect'
(http://www.bildercache.de/bild/20110208-152213-175.jpg)
Cyclamen coum 'Snowflake'
(http://www.bildercache.de/bild/20110208-152213-620.jpg)
enjoy
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Hi Goofy,
It seems the ' the whites ' are starting - fine pics!
By pure chance I photographed Cyclamen coum 'Golan Heights'
today.
I spotted a slight pinkish tint and after I saw my pics I was surprised
what my camera produced - a deeper tone than my eyes saw.
Gerd
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Can't the flower colour change according to light levels and irradiation (UV)?
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It's 2011 folks!!
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It's 2011 folks!!
good point David. I've left some January posts in 2010 because they were relevant and moved the ones from today. ;D
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I meant to sayin my last post, but got distracted by a phonecall....
yes, it's 2011 and David N's birthday!! ;D
Many happies, David!
May all your flowers blossom and may all your cakes be delicious! :-* :-*
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Many thanks Maggi and thanks for card too.
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Congratulations David. Happy birthday from here too, albeit now the 9th instead of the 8th. 8)
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Happy Birthday youngster!!
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David , all my best wishes too,
Otto.
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Can't the flower colour change according to light levels and irradiation (UV)?
Of course, but I can't compare my one and only plant with another growing at a different place.
Gerd
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Many thanks folks.
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I'm very stupid in Cyclamens. Hear that they can be incresed only by seeds. How you multiply cultivars? Is there some way for tuber cutting? Hope if yes, it is not great secret. Reply to my private mail ( janis.bulb@hawk.lv ) could be acceptable, too.
Janis
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Fantastic Cyclamen
I especially like the pure white ones George Bisson and Golan Heights. Gerd, as I am pastel shade colour blind, Golan Heights looks pure white :)
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I'm very stupid in Cyclamens. Hear that they can be incresed only by seeds. How you multiply cultivars? Is there some way for tuber cutting? Hope if yes, it is not great secret. Reply to my private mail ( janis.bulb@hawk.lv ) could be acceptable, too.
Janis
Janis
Seed is definitely the main way to obtain new plants. However, you can be successful with flowering trunks - they swell to develop into a tuber.
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You can also theoretically cut the corms into pieces with flowering points on them. I've tried this in the past with limited success (but SOME success, so it is definitely possible). The difficult thing is to stop the cuts from becoming fungused and thereby rotting the corm piece. I've definitely had a couple of cut pieces survive, but I would be trying it on something you could afford to lose a few times until you perfect it. ;D Probably much easier to just keep trying from seed, slowly stabilising the characteristics into a breeding line as has been done with so many others.
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During some of EU projects my and my wife's nurseries once were visited by very international public, between them was young man from Cyprus, who told me that his mother are multiplying cyclamens widely by tuber cutting and promissed to send me some information, how to do it. It was some 5 years ago and I'm still waiting this information...
I allways supposed that Cyclamen tubers has only one growing point from its center forming trunklike formation with buds on its top. I supposed that if it is broken - it will not more form new tuber and old tuber will die, too. Would like learn about this a little more.
I can recommend very good substance for sterilising cutted surfaces. It is charcoal powder. I'm using that from my fireplaces, then I powder it by older coffee-mill and powder broken/cutted surface of tuber/bulb. I used it widely for sterilising cutted surface of Cactus cuttings in my school years (when I grew them - I was then 12-15 old). In that time no fungicides were buyable in former USSR. Later I used this powder to sterilise broken surfaces of Corydalis with perennial tubers and when I cutted bottom plates of Scilla, Ornithogalum, Muscari etc. species. It works very well.
Janis
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I allways supposed that Cyclamen tubers has only one growing point from its center forming trunklike formation with buds on its top. I supposed that if it is broken - it will not more form new tuber and old tuber will die, too.
Janis
Janis - I planted heredifolium here in the early 70's. When I could afford more I plannted some whites too. They seeded about until a very cold snowless and dry winter came in 90-91. All died. Seven years later one huge leaf came up from the oldest bulb. When digging it I accidentally chopped it in half but it was obvious the growing point had frozen off in that winter and certainly took its time to make a new one.
Keep us posted on your findings.
johnw - very icy.
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Janis - I planted heredifolium here in the early 70's. When I could afford more I plannted some whites too. They seeded about until a very cold snowless and dry winter came in 90-91. All died. Seven years later one huge leaf came up from the oldest bulb. When digging it I accidentally chopped it in half but it was obvious the growing point had frozen off in that winter and certainly took its time to make a new one.
johnw - very icy.
I lost my hederifolium even in greenhouse. May be in same winter. Last winter I lost my graeca - all in greenhouse, well covered. Outside coum were lost, too, bur suddenly found one seedling deep in lilac shrubs.
Janis
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Janis:
The ant love to spread Cyclamen seeds about.
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Outside coum were lost, too, bur suddenly found one seedling deep in lilac shrubs.
Janis
Janis - C. coum only winters here for a few years then gets killed. Sometime it is long cold winters that get it, sometimes I suspect ice atop. Do you think it is the growing conditions or that is simply not hardy enough? Last year I too found a stray seedling in flower under a rhododendron.
Nina Lambert in upstate New York where winters can be very cold has a strain that is supposedly very hardy. They do not winter here. However she gets lake-effect snow of the very deep variety and I doubt the ground freezes very much if ever.
Enjoying your new book very much. Well done.
johnw
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John, there is a whole grupa cyclamen, akin to C. coum. They grow in the mountainous regions of the Caucasus from the foot of the mountains and at least until 1500.
These cyclamen are perfect winter conditions in the center and north-west European part of Russia.Last winter at -30 snow in my garden was no more than 3cm. Cyclamen blooming in the spring and thrive - and the adult plants and seedlings.
I also know a clone of S. purpurascens, which grows in the gardens of my friends in the Urals.These cyclamen survived the severe winter of 2009/2010 year, the Urals were to -40 and very little snow.
Here are photos of flowering cyclamen in my garden.
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John, there is a whole grupa cyclamen, akin to C. coum. They grow in the mountainous regions of the Caucasus from the foot of the mountains and at least until 1500.
These cyclamen are perfect winter conditions in the center and north-west European part of Russia.Last winter at -30 snow in my garden was no more than 3cm. Cyclamen blooming in the spring and thrive - and the adult plants and seedlings.
I also know a clone of S. purpurascens, which grows in the gardens of my friends in the Urals.These cyclamen survived the severe winter of 2009/2010 year, the Urals were to -40 and very little snow.
Here are photos of flowering cyclamen in my garden.
Natalia - In what kind of coinditions do you grow these? Is there a source for these Caucasian seed? The Cyclamen Society offers C. coum v. caucasicum but I think maybe they are pollinated too often by regular tender coums and so do not survive.
We have no problem at all with purpurascens here. They seed about freely, even nice silver ones and flower non-stop.
johnw
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John, a place where they grow in the spring sun lit up the summer - in the shadows. Earth ordinary garden soil with the addition of travertine - a drain.
Source of seed - I can try to collect seeds from their plants - they produce seeds every year. Near the faded plants a lot of small seedlings.Other species in my garden not available - just S.caucasicum.
I have some sort S.purpurascens - but contains them as houseplants.
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Some seedlings flowering for the first time
C X wellensiekii a hybrid of libanoticum and cyprium AGS seed
C coum "Maurice Dryden" I have planted most of them outside but kept this one back. Not all were white though Cycl soc seed
C libanoticum my own seed the master plant continues to sulk in the garden
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A very bad pic of a "white" C.parviflorum. Cyclamen Society seed 2005. After being disappointed by other "parviflorum" seed that turned out to be plain leaved coums, this one looks genuine - sorry it's too small to get a shot up the nose as it were to show the blotch is continuous.
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Natalia - If you remind me in June I will collect purpurascens seeds from plants growing outdoors here. You must try it outdoors and I am sure it will succeed.
johnw
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A very bad pic of a "white" C.parviflorum. Cyclamen Society seed 2005. After being disappointed by other "parviflorum" seed that turned out to be plain leaved coums, this one looks genuine - sorry it's too small to get a shot up the nose as it were to show the blotch is continuous.
I wish it was a 'white' parviflorum. Yours does look like a genuine parviflorum.
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John, thank you!
In June I will try to remind, if I will not leave in expedition:)
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A very bad pic of a "white" C.parviflorum. Cyclamen Society seed 2005. After being disappointed by other "parviflorum" seed that turned out to be plain leaved coums, this one looks genuine - sorry it's too small to get a shot up the nose as it were to show the blotch is continuous.
I wish it was a 'white' parviflorum. Yours does look like a genuine parviflorum.
Arthur why do you think it is not correct?
Here is one of mine,they are just starting to flower now
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I meant pure white - without the nose ;)
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A Cyclamen coum 'alba'.
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For the first time I do have some succes with flowering Cyclamen parviflorum outside in the garden. I plant this tuber in my peatgarden in a very cool spot (wich is hardly to find in our garden)
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A strange flowering combination today, my darkest C. hederifolium has thrown up a late flower against the first flowers on a pale pink C.alpinum
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A strange flowering combination today, my darkest C. hederifolium has thrown up a late flower against the first flowers on a pale pink C.alpinum
Not strange .......,but great Melvyn !
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A strange flowering combination today, my darkest C. hederifolium has thrown up a late flower against the first flowers on a pale pink C.alpinum
Wauw what a dark colour, very, very nice.
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Incredible Melvyn! :oThats the darkest i have ever seen.
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I have the experience that the later a C. hederifolium flowers,
from the same plant , the darker the flower are
I have dark ones flowering in October
the same are Purple (as in the picture)
if they flower in December or later
Roland
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Cyclamen coum from across the north of Turkey west to east and then one from near Adana in the south.
Last one is Cyclamen coum 'Lake effect'
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Tony nice plants I particularly like that Lake affect, it is very nice 8)
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Melvyn, what a beautiful purple C. hederifolium! There had never seen ...
Tony, thanks for photos! Fine cyclamen coum, especially were pleasant turkey lake abant and lake effect. :)
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Melvyn,
Wow on the dark hederifolium. Amazingly dark colour. Many shades darker than I realised they get.
Tony,
The "lake Effect' is gorgeous, but the others aren't to be sneezed at either. ;)
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From the greenhouse today, a young Cyclamen alpinum
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Some Cyclamen coum seedlings. All three were grown from the same packet of SRGC Seed Ex. seed from 2007 number 1049 and were sown on 1st September 2008. The first two are the darkest form, and perhaps a little darker coloured than my camera has shown. The next two are a lighter pink with a nice leaf form in my view; and the final two are a shade lighter again and also with a nice leaf form.
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hey,
two more whites............
Cyclamen coum 'Golan Heights'
(http://www.bildercache.de/bild/20110217-184859-15.jpg)
Cyclamen alpinum (trochopteranthum) f. leucanthum
(http://www.bildercache.de/bild/20110218-101645-47.jpg)
enjoy
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A few Cyclamen Alpinum
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So cool to see coums etc on here..... at the moment we have hederifolium, some purpurascens and the graecums are just starting to send up their first flowers. 8)
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Cyclamen pseudibericum forma roseum and a
Cyclamen libanoticum
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Here are three Cyclamen I purchased this weekend. The white coum is extremely fragrant and the deep magenta strain had nice foliage, so I got two different. The C. repandum is my first plant of this species. Great patterning.
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A few of mine today.
edit by maggi to show plant names
Gigantic africanum leaves
hederifolium
hederifolium leaves
alpinum - fetiye
libanoticum
persicum
pseudoibericum
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Cyclamen coum from across the north of Turkey west to east and then one from near Adana in the south.
Last one is Cyclamen coum 'Lake effect'
Here is my result of some seeds received as 'Lake effect' - not the real thing, but
nevertheless I like it.
Gerd
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And some lawn weeds!
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A better class of weed you have there, Eric.... have they seeded themselves?
Do you just leave the grass around them?
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Self seeded into the grass which is actually part of the roadside verge. We just mow over them and it seems to do them no harm. What you cannot see at present is that there are an equal number of C. hederifolium in the grass too.
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Self seeded into the grass which is actually part of the roadside verge. We just mow over them and it seems to do them no harm. What you cannot see at present is that there are an equal number of C. hederifolium in the grass too.
What a delightful piece of natural planting.
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This clump of coum has looked a treat from our living room window for weeks already and is still going strong. Every year it strikes me that this species is such a wonderful garden plant.
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Self seeded into the grass which is actually part of the roadside verge. We just mow over them and it seems to do them no harm. What you cannot see at present is that there are an equal number of C. hederifolium in the grass too.
Unfortunately over time one of the species will take over - almost sure it will be the hederifolium. I always advise friends to separate coum and hederifolium.
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I'll keep your advice in my mind Arthur ;)
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A strange flowering combination today, my darkest C. hederifolium has thrown up a late flower against the first flowers on a pale pink C.alpinum
Fantastic colour Melvin, I love it :D
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A strange flowering combination today, my darkest C. hederifolium has thrown up a late flower against the first flowers on a pale pink C.alpinum
Fantastic colour Melvin, I love it :D
You're telling me! I've been dreaming a bout that dark velvety flower since I first saw the photo.... yummy!
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Coum bed, suppose to be nice Tuesday will take more pictures.
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I am still not sure which Cyclamen have survived. Some graecums look ok and the leaves of others are withering one by one. The same is happening with some Cyclamen cyprium, intaminatum and persicum though the tubers feel quite firm. Most coum look quite sick. some were dwindling before. They seem to have a short lifespan in pots. I think some may be infected with virus. I think Cyclamen creticum and balearicum are all gone.
The good news - all Cyclamen mirabile look fine and the pseudibericums are all coming into flower. The repandums were not watered before the cold weather came and I see a few leaves appearing now. The potted hederifoliums do not seem as leafy as they usually are at this time but I think they are all alive. Hederifolium and coum outside are fine.
Cyclamen coum about a week ago, very happy in grass
Cyclamen pseudibericum - 2 old plants whose origin I have forgotten
Cyclamen pseudibericum from SRGC seed originating I think from a Jim Archibald collection
The others are from Cyclamen Society seed from collected plants
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Some graecums look ok and the leaves of others are withering one by one.
I am having the same thing happen here. Some looked bad soon after cold weather and were found to have soft tubers, others seemed OK but many of those have suffered relatively sudden decline at odd intervals since the cold relented. Even now two months since last serious cold I noted a couple more collapse this week. I suspect damage to the thick fleshy roots which eventually leads to rot which may be reaching the base of the tubers now. I simply don't have time to attempt rescue .... which may be futile anyway. Some planted in bulb type frame seem better and will hopefully pull through. The rest are on their way out :'(, leaving space for new things :)
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Finally some Cyclamen are making their appearance after a "fitful" summer.
The first Cyclamen graecum poked its head out from the middle of an anthill which had been built over it since it went dormant!
[attachthumb=1]
Actually this is the second flower the first got chomped by a locust! You can see the stalk to the right of the open flower.
A sister seedling is in bloom in the Shade-house,
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Cyclamen hederifolium is also making an appearance in shadier parts of the garden,
cheers
fermi
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Coum and crocus mixed bed.
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Very nice Guff.
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I agree with you David, nice pics in this dull day ::)
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Those beds are developing very well Guff, you must be pleased. I do like the colour mixes with the Cyclamen and the Crocus, very pretty.
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first Cyclamens are flowering in the garden:
Cyclamen coum 'T.B. BSBE 1'
(http://www.bildercache.de/bild/20110320-134754-859.jpg)
Cyclamen coum white flower
(http://www.bildercache.de/bild/20110320-134754-647.jpg)
Cyclamen coum 'Maurice Dryden'
(http://www.bildercache.de/bild/20110320-134754-740.jpg)
enjoy
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Beautiful Cyclamen coums!
Here some from Spain:
Cyclamen peloponnesiacum subsp. vividum.jpg
Cyclamen pseudibericum 1.jpg
Cyclamen persicum.jpg
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We thought our cyclamen here in England were looking good, [attachthumb=1], until we got out to Israel. Here a week or so ago Oron took us to this pinewood not far from Haifa, absolutely packed with C. persicum, deliciously scented: [attachthumb=2].
There were some splendid leaf forms there, too: [attachthumb=3].
And elsewhere we saw interesting companion plants, too - this was Bellevalia flexuosa: [attachthumb=4].
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Interesting to see Hans' photos from Spain. A few years ago I was at Iberflora in Valencia. The displays of C.persicum grown in Galicia were INCREDIBLE. Gorgeous plants with amazing flowers. Haven't seen anything close to them on this side of the puddle.
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Thanks everyone.
Very happy with the bed, when the crocus clump up and fill in it's going to be amazing. The bed will be expanded another 12-15 ft x 9 ft this summer, have 500+ coum seedlings growing in basement. Some already have buds.
Bitter cold and snow returned the other day.
A couple short videos on Youtube.
http://www.youtube.com/user/GUFFCyclamen?feature=mhum
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Three colour forms of Cyclamen graecum growing in the rock garden.
cheers
fermi
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Nice, Fermi,
I've not managed to keep graecum alive, probably too wet. Lovely leaves.
While I'm at it, what Cyclamen are particularly good for rockeries. Mine is very dry, onco conditions, as we are pretty wet in Cologne. Should one create slightly more fertile niches for these cyclamen?
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Some beautiful mass displays of Cyclamen everyone.
Here, like Fermi, I've got graecum in flower, plus intaminatum, hederifolium, mirabile and purpurascens. There are also buds appearing on persicum. Nothing like the wonderful displays shown here though. :o
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Two seed grown and flowering for the first time:-
Cyclamen rhodium ssp vividum (I think?)
ex C. rhodium ssp peloponnesiacum 'Pelops'
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Coum and crocus mixed bed.
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Today blossomed in my garden Cyclamen ...
Cyclamen kuznetzovii is an isolated population of Cyclamen coum.
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Guff - I just viewed your marvellous patch of Cyclamen coum. Some nice variation in leaf and flower, I especially like those rosy red ones prominent in video 2. Are these coums causcasicums? I marvel as they seem very difficult here in coastal Nova Scotia and not hardy long term. Are you in a milder area of NY State?
johnw
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John thanks.
As far as I know they are just coum. If I'm out taking pictures I will see if I can get a closeup.
I'm in zone 4-5.
Nice warm and sunny day yesterday.
1-6 Coum and crocus bed
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Guff - Thanks again. Zone 4-5, really? We are supposed to be Zone 6 here. Last year's low was -15.5c (4.1F) but we frequently have long stretches of ice-covered ground and I think coum hates that.
Ah, that's the raspberry red one in the last shot in the right fore corner.
johnw
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Possibly the least dramatic of the genus - C. parviflorum
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Alex a nice pale one,very late flowering,mine have now finished.
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Cyclamen kuznetzovii, my sole survivor has finally flowered and I am decidedly underwhelmed. It measures but 3/16" across and less high, worse it only has 2 petals. As luck would have it is flowering next to a poor flowered C. purpurascens which has an unusual box-shaped flowered measuring only 1/2" wide and high.
Hopefully next year the kuznetzovii will straighten itself out. ???
johnw
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Portraits of two cyclamen in flower today. Cyclamen purpurascens, a form from Kranjska Gora Slovenia which one might expect to see in flower now but there are also flowers coming on this nice dark form of Cyclamen hederifolium at least two months earlier than I would expect.
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Last year I showed photos of my Cyclamen purpurascens from Lago di Garda
http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=4752.msg161293#msg161293
and promised seeds for 2011. They leaves died completely in our hard last winter,
and many seedpots disappeared but there are still some seeds to give away....
If you want some please contact me soon before they are out!
btw - found the first flower one month ago and many more are coming out now :D
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Wow, Thomas. The pics in the link are breathtaking. As you said there.... if only we could convey the scent as well. Some excellent colours and leaf forms.
Melvyn,
That second hot pink one is bright, isn't it. :o
Here, we have a number of coum out in flower, and a few flowers here and there on some other species. Very strange year weather-wise this year. After so much rain last winter/spring and early summer, we've had a dry autumn and the driest June in more than 25 years ( a total of 9mm). Some early cold with a couple of -7 oC and then some warmer nights with barely freezing has confused a lot of things, now we're back to -4oC again most nights and we've got stuff flowering a bit out of season compared to usual.
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Portraits of two cyclamen in flower today. Cyclamen purpurascens, a form from Kranjska Gora Slovenia which one might expect to see in flower now but there are also flowers coming on this nice dark form of Cyclamen hederifolium at least two months earlier than I would expect.
Melvyn - It is funny you should post a picture of this boxy-shaped purpurascens. Two years ago I grew a batch of seed from the CS and got some lovely leaf forms. However many flowered with these small boxy-shaped flowers (some were in fact extremely small) which I noted on the labels. I thought I would grow the very best ones for the foliage alone. However this year they surprisingly have flowered with typical purpurascens flowers, some in fact larger than usual and with varying colour. Are yours flowering for the first time?
johnw
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Just started to re-pot my 2008 sown seedlings into individual pots and a couple of queries someone may be able to help with.
Tony Willis kindly sent me seeds labelled Cyclamen creticum ssp anatolicum which I sowed in late August 2008. I can't find any reference to ssp anaolicum in my copy of Grey-Wilson (revised edition 2002) nor in the List of Species on the Cyclamen Society Web Site. Given that Tony is usually a "lumper" this seems odd.
As far as I'm aware C. repandum used to have two sub species, ssp rhodense and ssp peloponnesiacum. Later this became C. repandum and C. rhodium with 3 sub species, ssp rhodium, ssp peloponnesiacum and ssp vividum. The Cyclamen Society Web Site shows the original. Do I take it that the revision has not been accepted?
Any help appreciated, David's confused (again!)
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David ,
this is shure Cyc.graecum ssp. anatolicum
Hans
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Thank you Hans, you could well be right. Now, would Tony have written the seed envelope wrongly(unlikely) or did I have a senior moment (likely)!
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Glad that I could help you :D
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Thank you Hans, you could well be right. Now, would Tony have written the seed envelope wrongly(unlikely) or did I have a senior moment (likely)!
David
let us just accept that Hans knows best. I do not like to think of either of us having senior moments! I am not that much of a lumper.
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..... and my second query re: the current status of C. reapandum etc?????
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As far as I'm aware C. repandum used to have two sub species, ssp rhodense and ssp peloponnesiacum. Later this became C. repandum and C. rhodium with 3 sub species, ssp rhodium, ssp peloponnesiacum and ssp vividum. The Cyclamen Society Web Site shows the original. Do I take it that the revision has not been accepted?
Your detail is currently correct, C repandum and C rhodium with the 3 sub species, ssp rhodium, ssp peloponnesiacum and ssp vividum. The current Cyclamen Society seed list gives these species, the Cyclamen Society web site is a bit out of date.
However, I'm sure we're overdue for another set of name changes ;D
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As far as I'm aware C. repandum used to have two sub species, ssp rhodense and ssp peloponnesiacum. Later this became C. repandum and C. rhodium with 3 sub species, ssp rhodium, ssp peloponnesiacum and ssp vividum. The Cyclamen Society Web Site shows the original. Do I take it that the revision has not been accepted?
Your detail is currently correct, C repandum and C rhodium with the 3 sub species, ssp rhodium, ssp peloponnesiacum and ssp vividum. The current Cyclamen Society seed list gives these species, the Cyclamen Society web site is a bit out of date.
However, I'm sure we're overdue for another set of name changes ;D
Many thanks Diane. As the specialist Society one would expect the Web Site to be upto date.
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Many thanks Diane. As the specialist Society one would expect the Web Site to be upto date.
I think it's part of the current problem in many societies of willing but over-stretched volunteers ::)
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Owing to pressure on greenhouse space this year I have planted out my larger Cyclamen pots in the garden leaving only small seedling pots in the greenhouse. I hadn't expected this to be the first one to appear?
Cyclamen intaminatum.
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David,
Cyclamen intaminatum is often the first of the autumn species to appear for me as well. Usually in about February here. The hederifoliums start around Christmas, into full flower in January/February/March, but intaminatum is usually the first flower to appear on the other species. Always a please as it is a delicate little thing.
I just love the fine veining in the petals. 8)
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I've had a number of species out for a while, in addition to the expected C. purpurascens and C.colchicum I have C. cyprium, C. africanum, C. africanum x hederifolium and C. confusum out in the greenhouse and frames. Outside C. hederifolim, C. intaminatum and C. cilicium. Early season or maybe this is just the start of a really good one.
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About the same experience here Mark.
Here some pictures from the hederifolium-bed...
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Dark flowering hederifolium in the rockgarden .
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What a super selection of flowers, Kris!
The dark hederifoliums are very rich looking.
They look so good with space and gravel around them.... those in our garden mostly have to compete with half a dozen other plants for the same space so we don't see them spaced out so neatly as yours... but we still love them all and it is quite appealing to see the flowers peep out from behind other plants.... suddenly you discover them there, that's always pleasant to see.
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And here, charming grey patterned foliage Kris :D Nice plants !
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Hederfolium
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Darkest to show so far this year.
Hederifolium
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My goodness, that is velvety dark 8)
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Maggi isn't that a good dark. Some of the dark purple seedlings have streaky colors and don't look so great. Glad i'm getting a few good dark ones. My best from last year hasn't flowered yet, but I see buds where I think it is.
Big project this summer was extending my coum bed to the original size I had planned. All done, just have to add some fresh pine needles to the top 5ft x 9ft, so it matches the new addition. Added 300 or so coum and thousands of crocus. I ran out of coum seedlings, the bottom 3.5ft has 1.5ft just crocus(tiny bulbs mostly), and the very bottom 2ft I planted coum seed.
1-2 Coum and Crocus bed.
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Last fall I made a bed for hederifolium seed. Mostly was an experiment, now I don't have to grow seedlings indoors through the winter.
1-Hederifolium seedlings outdoors.
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Guff, is there no end to your planting projects? You are doing very well!
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Here a found in-between the normal Cyclamen mirabile seedlings
an Cyclamen mirabile White form
not pure white but with a pale pink nose
Roland
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Maggi thanks. If I had unlimited leaf compost, I would do my lower woods with cyclamen. Problem is the soil here is clay, and it's a major job digging and then replacing with compost.
1-2 Purpurascens seedlings, under 1 year to flower.
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Hederifolium
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Can't resist to show this dark hederifolium here also
Gerd
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That is nice Gerd.
Couple of pics here of a darker pink form of Cyclamen cilicium, my other plants all seem to be a paler pink.
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That is nice Gerd.
Couple of pics here of a darker pink form of Cyclamen cilicium, my other plants all seem to be a paler pink.
Very elegant flower in shape and colour , David.
Gerd, I adore these dark velvety shades... very attractive. I keep sowing any seed I can in hopes of getting such a luscious dark form.
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Me too, Maggi. My Ruby Glow gives only about 5% dark flowered seedlings, despite hand pollination. Does anyone have a reliable true seeder, who could spare a few seeds?
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Thanks alltogether!
Don't know if I have a reliable seeder because until now I didn't test the
progeny of my plants.
The special type I showed came from Green Ice Nursery - Netherlands but is widespread in our neighbouring country very likely because I saw plants offered by another nursery.
Gerd
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A pot of Cyclamen mirabile seedlings
Poul
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A good example of why it is a great idea to grow from seed.... look at the differences, subtle but definite, in Poul's C. mirabile seedlings.... VERY attractive!
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My cyclamen are now starting to move along
first two forms of
Cyclamen intaminatum
then
Cyclamen mirabile and Cyclamen cilicicum bith with quite large flowers
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That pink intaminatum is very nice, Tony.
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Good to see Cyclamen intaminatum and cilicium doing well. I repotted mine this year and so far they are just putting up an odd flower and are beginning to leaf.
2 Cyclamen mirabile grown from SRGC seed as 'Tilebarn Nicholas' photographed about 10 days ago. They have more leaves now but still just one flower between them. There are more buds to come
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I have Cyclamen hederifolium seeding all over the garden but the best plants are in the strip of gravel between the path and the house wall. Some were planted and some self sown.
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Waouh ! very nice pink patterned leaves Roma :D I love them ;D
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Cyclamen hederifolium in the greenhouse
The best flowered one this year, from the top and from the side
My deepest pink - not an attractive flower - too fat and dumpy for my liking
One of my favourites - not a pure white, but such an elegant shape. The leaves are good too, more lime green than silver with darker green markings along a wavy edge.
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Thanks Nicole
Another two in the greenhouse
Cyclamen purpurascens flowers over a long period but most plants do not have many flowers open at a time. This one has just begun flowering. It is a good deep colour and does not fade as quickly as some. It came from Cyclamen Society seed and I think it's mum was a Templeton Trophy winner some years ago.
I am very pleased so many of my Cyclamen graecum plants have survived being frozen in the winter. I did lose three of the bigger tubers which had 12 to 15 flowers last year. Most disappointing as I have not done well with graecum till this batch grown from Cyclamen Society seed sown in 2003 and 2004. They seed was from wild collected plants. I'm never going to have specimens like those seen at AGS and Cyclamen Society shows but if I get more than half a dozen flowers on a plant I'll be happy. I do have a white one from Paul Christian a number of years ago. It used to live in the house but has been in the greenhouse a few years now and also survived last winter.
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House plants this time.
Cyclamen rohlfsianum which live on a south facing windowsill in an unheated spare bedroom under a Velux window with no blind.
The leaves belong to Cyclamen persicum from those developed by Wye College many years ago and not available for a long time. The flowers are pure white and scented.
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Superb Cyclamen Roma! :o Like especially your C. rohlfsianum!
Here also a few Cyclamen started to flower - C. africanum, C. graecum and C. rohlfsianum.
A seedling I was very curious to see in flower was a C. rohlfsianum which in difference to all the other plants of the species I grow (and I have seen) has completly green leafstalks without any hint of red - something which could indicate it is an Albino (like Cyclamen coum 'George Bisson' for example). Today it opened the first flower, it is not white but much darker I would expect -the contrast is not bad at all.
Here a picture of the seedling and a 'normal' plant.
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My rohlfsianum isn't through the ground yet but these are coming along
C intaminatum
C confusum
C clilicium album
C africanum
and C hederifolium in the garden
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Guff and Gerd,
those very dark hederifoliums are just :o :o
Roma and Ian,
wonderfull Cyclamens you're growing.
I've sown some Cyclamen two years ago and one of them was C. hederifolium 'Stargazer'. A couple of weeks ago I had the first flower on one of its seedlings and it is gazing at the stars too ;)
Also some pictures of the variation in leaves of the C. coum seedlings from two year ago.
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Grown from seed sown September 2008 and flowering for the first time. Unlike me I didn't keep a note of the seed source but it must have been from one of the Exchanges.
Not sure how I should describe it but the seed was labelled Cyclamen mirabile forma niveum 'Tilebarn Jan' so I presume it should be Cyclamen mirabile ex f. niveum 'Tilebarn Jan'. Is that right please?
Just a hint of pink on the nose.
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What a beautifully elegant flower, David.
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Not sure how I should describe it but the seed was labelled Cyclamen mirabile forma niveum 'Tilebarn Jan' so I presume it should be Cyclamen mirabile ex f. niveum 'Tilebarn Jan'. Is that right please?
David - That seems like a sensible way to record the origins of your plants.
I have to wonder sometimes what it is we get as seed from the CS labelled with a cultivar name. For instance E.A.Bowles; how many generations might the seed be from the original 'E.A.Bowles' ? No wonder we get such varied progeny! Seems to be fraught with the same problems as the Hellebore scene.
johnw
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John, that depends on how throrough the donor has selected the resulting seedlings. Most Cyclamen cultivars don't come 100% true from seeds anyway and only the seedlings that have retained the traits of the original cultivar are allowed to carry the cultivar name. If the cultivar is old and can only be propagated by seeds then you can only hope and pray that the donor knows how to preserve a cultivar. If the seeds are "ex -> ex -> ex" and not selected well in the process then the cultivar name connected to the seeds is basically useless. My experience is that most growers hardly document the origin of the plants they grow so I have little faith in such seeds being true.
Same for wild collection numbers. Only the first generation seed as a result of self-pollination may carry the collection number with "ex." in front of it. For second or third generation seeds it has lost its value, certainly if open pollinated with related species in the vicinity. That's why I always try to get plants closest to the origin and prefer wild collected plants or vegetative propagations of the original cultivar.
With Cyclamen mirabile "Tilebarn Jan" the cultivar allows for the faintest pink in the white flowers so it is my guess it might still carry that cultivar name?
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Very nice David,lovely flower.
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Pascal - I agree, one wonders how ruthless donors are at culling out the rogues whilst retaining the cultivar name. I hope they have made notes on their labels, oftentimes they harvest seed from leafless plants! BTW it has been years since any EAB seed has produced anything remotely similar. This could explain why coum v. caucasicum has never produced a hardy coum; open-pollinated seed can be a horror and it's unlikely anyone - aside from a serious nurseryman/specialist would take the time to do a conntrolled self-pollination.
johnw
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Thanks folks. It seems, according to Grey-Wilson (2002), that C mirabile forma niveum is pure white, so I'm happy, I think, with my 'ex' on the label.
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David, your plant perfectly illustrates why any taxonomic recognition of flower color rarely if ever is useful and why I am not that keen on CG-W as taxonomist as he tries to formally describe a horticultural trait. So many plants occur in pink & white forms and anything in between that I don't see the point in separately naming the extremes. Only if the color is either one or the other it would make some sense because then it is the result of a single gene switch and not one of the phenotypes. And even then it has little taxonomic value.
The Cyclamen society on their website state: A pure albino form C. mirabile forma niveum Grey-Wilson & J. White, exists and is in cultivation under the cultivar name C. mirabile 'Tilebarn Jan'.
If I read this I shake my head because this line in itself is superfluous as "forma niveum" already implies that it should be white... !!! And apart from that, albinism is generally referred to as a lack of pigmentation in the skin and hair in animals, not in plants. In botany "albino" and "alba" are sometimes mixed but they are taxonomically not the same and with plants the use of the term alba is more appropiate. So an albino form of a white forma......doesn't make sense now does it.....?
The Tilebarn Nursery website however state for "Tilebarn Jan": A white flowered form of C. mirabile sometimes with a pink blush to the nose of the flower.
So according to them "Tilebarn Jan" is white or white with some pink. Now I am not sure how the cultivar is registered but if the main feature is a white flower I don't see the point in either the cultivar name or the forma niveum.
The shape of the flowers in Cyclamen often varies and in theory you could end up with several different white cultivars so what makes "Tilebarn Jan" unique among the white forms? Looking at your plant David the petals of the flower seem broader than the plant of the Tilebarn Nursery so I think yours is even an improvement on the original cultivar. Very attractive! If you could combine it with the leaves of "Tilebarn Anne" or "Tilebarn Nicholas" you would have a winner... ;)
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Cyclamen graecum
Both plants derive from a seed collection made in the Peloponnese by Ronald & Erna Frank.
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Nice graecum Gerry.
Pascal, I'm with you all the way on this one. My plant can't be niveum, it has a little pink on the nose. It can't be 'Tilebarn Jan' because it wasn't vegetatively propagated. If I was a Nurseryman maybe it would be called Cyclamen mirabile 'Dave's Form' ;D Highly likely my plant will never be vegetatively propogated so perhaps I should label it simply as Cyclamen mirabile and just regard it as a rather nice form?
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It can't be 'Tilebarn Jan' because it wasn't vegetatively propagated. If I was a Nurseryman maybe it would be called Cyclamen mirabile 'Dave's Form' ;D Highly likely my plant will never be vegetatively propogated so perhaps I should label it simply as Cyclamen mirabile and just regard it as a rather nice form?
David, not necessarily true. One of my best friends is taxonomist and co-author of the International Code of Nomenclature of Cultivated plants. Contrary to what I thought he told me that cultivars CAN be propagated by seeds as long as the traits that defined the original cultivar are still present. Cultivars are plants or a group of plants that are selected for specific and unique traits. If the seedlings of the original cultivar are identical in appearance to the parent and have maintained the characteristics that defined the cultivar it is allowed to maintain the cultivar name for the seedlings.
BUT....., that means anyone propagating a cultivar by seeds must know what defined the cultivar and select only those seedlings that have the cultivar characteristics. And that is where it often goes wrong with amateur growers. Cyclamen cultivars rarely come 100% true from seeds so it asks for discipline, the willingness to care for the cultivar name and not being afraid to select. From a batch of C. mirabile "Tilebarn Nicholas" I have 23 seedlings coming up in their second year, only 3 can be regarded as "Tilebarn Nicholas", the rest is without the pinkish zone or has very little pink. The pink zone is however a unique feature so I can understand why it has been selected as a cultivar. In case of "Tilebarn Jan" I can't really see the point as it is just a white or whitish form send to Tilebarn by Jan Ietswaart.... ???
Saying that, all my mirabile are pink and when I look at your white one I definitely will buy some seeds of it from Bravenboer, it is really nice.
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It can't be 'Tilebarn Jan' because it wasn't vegetatively propagated. If I was a Nurseryman maybe it would be called Cyclamen mirabile 'Dave's Form' ;D Highly likely my plant will never be vegetatively propogated so perhaps I should label it simply as Cyclamen mirabile and just regard it as a rather nice form?
David, not necessarily true. One of my best friends is taxonomist and co-author of the International Code of Nomenclature of Cultivated plants. Contrary to what I thought he told me that cultivars CAN be propagated by seeds as long as the traits that defined the original cultivar are still present. Cultivars are plants or a group of plants that are selected for specific and unique traits. If the seedlings of the original cultivar are identical in appearance to the parent and have maintained the characteristics that defined the cultivar it is allowed to maintain the cultivar name for the seedlings.
I also used to believe - apparently wrongly - that cultivars had to be vegetatively propagated in order to be entitled to the name.
Incidentally, The International Code of Nomenclature of Cultivated Plants (8th edn, 2009) is now available online. I downloaded a PDF copy today but, unfortunately, cannot remember how I found it. I think it may have been via the RHS website.
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Incidentally, The International Code of Nomenclature of Cultivated Plants (8th edn, 2009) is now available online. I downloaded a PDF copy today but, unfortunately, cannot remember how I found it. I think it may have been via the RHS website.
It can be downloaded here: http://www.actahort.org/chronica/pdf/sh_10.pdf ...all 206 pages of it :)
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Thanks Maggi - you are a genius!
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Having watched the comments on naming here are some of my Cyclamen mirable which may cause a few problems.
The first two show a plant with very different shaped flowers to those normally seen,large and cup shaped.Should this be a new species?
The third and fourth are shown using my naming system
third is white with pink nose
fourth is white with slight touch of pink in nose
I selfed the fourth and it has produced one seedling and this is picture five which has one pink flower and two white ones all with pink noses.it does not change colour as the flower ages. There are more flowers to come and it will be interesting to see how these develop. Perhaps more interesting,or not, would be to hear how a taxonomist would describe it.
On another note I have been raising seedlings from my own plants of this species for over ten years and have never had one with pink in the leaves. I have also seen many plants in the wild and never observed this either,although I know members of the Cyclamen Society have reported plants in the wild showing this characteristic. This year three of my one year old seedlings have produced leaves with good pink markings in them.
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All very beautiful Tony. The first one is extraordinary.
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I'm very taken with your mirabiles.... the flower shapes are certainly not what one would usually expect, but , by jove, they are lovely. The broad open flowers are a delight. Every one a gem... you must be really peased 8)
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I'm very taken with your mirabiles.... the flower shapes are certainly not what one would usually expect, but , by jove, they are lovely. The broad open flowers are a delight. Every one a gem... you must be really peased 8)
Ashley thank you
Maggi
I am pleased, apart from the seedling, they all originate from seed I collected in 2001. I have distributed seed from the broad flowered one but have never heard any results as to if it comes true.
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Lovely forms Tony. I must have another look at mine, this time with a hand lense, the pink on yours is far more obvious than it is on mine.
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Lovely forms Tony. I must have another look at mine, this time with a hand lense, the pink on yours is far more obvious than it is on mine.
David
remember mine is not supposed to be 'forma niveum' it is just one I raised from some seed I collected myself. I labelled the pot white so I know which one it is in my collection,knowing it has a bit of pink on the nose.
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I had a look with a hand lense and there is not as much pink as I had first thought. What I was seeing was the darker shade of the calyx showing through the petals, having said that there is a slight, very slight, hint of pink on the nose of the plant.
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1-5 Hederifolium bed
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hello again.
after some months I am back here. Had a computer crash.
so was not here for some time :(
insofar here are with some delay 4 pics of my Cyclamen purpurascens:
Cyclamen purpurascens
(http://www.bildercache.de/bild/20110913-180052-328.jpg)
Cycl. purpurascens cv. Green Ice (Bravenboer)
(http://www.bildercache.de/bild/20110913-180051-574.jpg)
Cycl. purpurascens cv. 2000
(http://www.bildercache.de/bild/20110913-180052-175.jpg)
Cycl. purpurascens cv. albiflora
(http://www.bildercache.de/bild/20110913-180052-862.jpg)
enjoy.
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Nice foliages Goofy ;)
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Hi Dieter, good to see you, and your photos, back in the Forum.
Lovely C. purpurascens... one of my favourites.
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Interesting mirabiles, Tony. I have one very old plant which I suppose was wild collected. It as bought in Woolworths as hederifolium, late 70's I think. I have three seedlings from it. None of them show any pink in the leaves.
The following is my deepest pink Cyclamen mirabile so far. It is one of 7 seedlings sown in 2007 and potted on a few weeks ago. The parent is one I showed earlier which I grew from SRGC seed as 'Tilebarn Nicholas' but does not have the correct markings. I call it 'Thin Red Line' to distinguish it from the others.
Another look at the parent
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Uploaded a new video to YouTube.
http://www.youtube.com/user/GUFFCyclamen
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Uploaded a new video to YouTube.
http://www.youtube.com/user/GUFFCyclamen
Enjoyed it very much! What kind of pollinators were around the hederifoliums (bumble-bees)?
It seems your garden is in a windy area.
Gerd
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for almost a month and flower Cyclamen cilicium Cyclamen cilicium Album
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I have been enjoying all the beautiful cyclamen, and now the video.
Guff, are those cyclamen growing under pines, or did you spread the pine needles yourself?
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Gerd thanks. It was a windy day, yes bumble bees. Made another video, maybe Sunday night I will upload it.
Rick I put down fresh pine needles every couple of years.
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hey, just in flower.
Cyclamen colchicum cv. Deirdre (Bravenboer)
(http://www.bildercache.de/bild/20110918-141031-845.jpg)
enjoy
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Cyclamen graecum subsp. anatolicum
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hey, just in flower.
Goofy,
Cute little plant! What is special for Deirdre? Is it smaller than the species normally is?
Gerd
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Gerd
Cyc. colchicum 'Deidre' has plain leaves
Hans
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Hi i've only just started to grow these last year so i thought i would try from seed as i love to grow from seed, and today i found one of my C.Persicum Grandiflorum in flower :)
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Beautiful plants Gerry, Goofy, Guff and Tony!
Here also some are in flower - no leafs so far.
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Beautiful plants Gerry, Goofy, Guff and Tony!
Here also some are in flower - no leafs so far.
Wonderful Hans. As always, I'm so envious that you can grow these plants in the open garden.
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Wonderful Hans. As always, I'm so envious that you can grow these plants in the open garden.
Me too... and I'm a little impressed that you can get down so well to bring us the Hugo's eye view of them .... or is it dear Hugo who takes the pictures? I am sure he is clever enough! ;) ;D
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Very nice Cyclamen everyone ! Like them so much outside in your garden Hans... But here it wil be only a dream no more no less.
Some Cyclamen of today .
First my best flowering graecums with huge flowers (38 mm hight) and also a good darker one.
Also the first flowers on rohlfsianum .
And the florishing hederifolium in one of his many different faces
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Some Cyclamen of today .
First my best flowering graecums with huge flowers (38 mm hight) and also a good darker one.
Also the first flowers on rohlfsianum .
And the flourishing hederifolium in one of his many different faces
(38 mm hight) :o My goodness, what a size!
All beautiful, of course. I love cyclamen... they're almost as fabulous as crocus
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Has no-one got anything to share about the Cyclamen Society Conference last weekend??? ??? :-\ :) :)
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er ... a forumist did take some pictures ... but it wasn't me ;D
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Goofy,
Cute little plant! What is special for Deirdre? Is it smaller than the species normally is?
Gerd
hey Gerd, yes it is correct.
this is a plain leaf cultivar, bought from Jan B.
I found in the web, that Deirdre is a girls name from pre-christian Irish mythology
cheers
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Cyclamen Graecum from Angistri . cyclamen soc seed.
Cyclamen hederifolium silver leaf
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A few shots from the garden.
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A few portraits of cyclamen in flower this week.
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Cyclamen graecum subsp. anatolicum
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hey, here are some pics from today:
Cyclamen rohlfsianum
(http://www.bildercache.de/bild/20110928-140805-743.jpg)
Cyclamen mirabile
(http://www.bildercache.de/bild/20110928-140806-45.jpg)
Cyclamen mirabile albiflora
(http://www.bildercache.de/bild/20110928-140806-116.jpg)
enjoy
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My big Cyclamen africanum from Tilebarn in 1990.
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A darker form of Cyclamen cilicium in flower today.
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A darker form of Cyclamen cilicium in flower today.
Superb colour, Melvyn 8)
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Following on from the few pictures I posted last month Davey has sent me a message to ask for some more pictures of the Cyclamen hederifolium that I grow. I've just been round the garden taking pics to try and show examples of the various different leaf forms that are here.
Probably far too many pictures ::) Hope they are not too boring for people (Maggi - feel free to delete some if 25 pics is too many!)
I am more a 'leaf person' than 'flower person' where Cyclamen are concerned.
John
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the second batch
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John, this cann't be boring!!! I love this great pictures you show us.
We want more! We want more! :D
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John, there will be lots of folks reading this who will be shocked and absolutely entranced to see just what a wide range of foliage there is in this cyclamen.... how could it be boring? ???
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The final few. And some Cyclamen coum too to show it is not just hederifolium I like. ;)
Once again - sorry for the Cyclamen overload and apologies to anyone who doesn't like them!
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Now that's what i am talking about,i agree with both Maggie's and Lina's comments 100%,i have been hooked on these since seeing yours on here,there hardy,look stunning out of flower and beautiful in flower,win,win and win again.
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Very nice selection John, for my taste I think you kept the best for the last photo!
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I agree with Melvyn the last one is fantastic,but i think there are three or four super leaf patterns i would love on my plants,love the arrow head shaped ones as well.
I noticed the Samantha Tag ;D.Our lass who is from Londen(Hackney)has said the only reason why your's flowered and nobody else's has is because Samantha is back home ;D ;D ;D
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I am very partial to cyclamen - they're almost rank as highly as crocus in my estimation ;)
Even I must admit that cyclamen have the edge in the foliage stakes!
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John, number 7 looks like a plant I have that we agreed last year was crassense (sorry about the spelling)
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A wonderful selection, John.
Paddy
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John, number 7 looks like a plant I have that we agreed last year was crassense (sorry about the spelling)
Crassense? ??? Tell us more. Is this a var. or ssp. of hederifolium?
Superb cyclamen foliage on #7 as noted every time we see it John.
johnw
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Lina, Maggie and Paddy - thank you. :)
Glad you like them Davey - it is your fault I spent 60 mins this morning taking pics and resizing them!!! ;D
Very glad to hear I haven't bored everyone with a Cyclamen overload! ;D
Melvyn - I thought you might like that one. It was the favourite of Arthur and Chris when they visited.
John, number 7 looks like a plant I have that we agreed last year was crassense (sorry about the spelling)
Crassense? ??? Tell us more. Is this a var. or ssp. of hederifolium?
Superb cyclamen foliage on #7 as noted every time we see it John.
johnw
Mark - I've always just thought of it as a hederifolium form - but I don't know a lot about Cyclamen - I just choose ones with nice leaves when I see them in plant sales.
Johnw - I don't think I have taken a picture of plant 7 before today - so interesting for me to read these posts.
John
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John - I think we spied the cyclamen #7 in a shot of snowdrops that you posted early in the year, around the time you went to The Garden House meeting.
johnw
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John - I think we spied the cyclamen #7 in a shot of snowdrops that you posted early in the year, around the time you went to The Garden House meeting.
johnw
Good grief, you have the memory of an elephant JohnW :o
(must be all the buns he eats.....)
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Once again - sorry for the Cyclamen overload and apologies to anyone who doesn't like them!
They shouldn't be looking at this thread then!
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Once again - sorry for the Cyclamen overload and apologies to anyone who doesn't like them!
They shouldn't be looking at this thread then!
I didn't post them in this thread - Maggie moved them here. ;D
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I didn't post them in this thread - Maggie moved them here.
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Ah, there's often a clue.
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Good grief, you have the memory of an elephant JohnW :o
(must be all the buns he eats.....)
Not so fast Maggi unless that elephant was Dumbo. Overnight I realized it was not JohnF who posted the cyclamen #7 pic before but a lady who was riding with him to a snowdrop event and took pix in his garden. Maybe Jennie or the forumist with the snowdrop hat ..... who name - apologies - escapes me.
johnw - damn cold here +7c
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Neither do I get tired of looking at the pictures here - I try to establish a swath of Cyclamen in my woodland. Last winter killed a few but some remains. These are unnamed seedlings of an unnamed cross.
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Some of my Cyclamen cilicium . They are not is good as previous years (not that many flowers )but I stil enjoy the leaf patterns .
Picture 4 is a white graecum and they are at the end of their flowering season here .
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Nice cilicium - I'm still looking for the right spot for them in this garden.
In the meantime, an C.africanum that is a little darker than the others I have.
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If anybody is interestet to see wild growing Cyclamen from Germany so please look here :
http://www.srgc.org.uk/forum/index.php?topic=7959.msg216590#msg216590
enjoy
Hans
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Some superb plants in this thread!
Here some from the garden.
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Autumn is finally reaching this area,
here are the first cyclamen to set flowers.
I'm the proud father of a new very dark form of C. confusum X africanum made by crossing the darkest forms i grow.
I have received two types, one with a stem 25cm long the other much shorter but with a touch of white color on the back side of the petals.
Sorry the photos are quite dark too...
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Some beautiful cyclamen Oron and everyone.
Nice to see them, especially as Cyclamen suffered most in the big freeze here last winter. I lost almost all of my potted C graecum, many plants I had grown for up to 20 years from seed :'(
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Oron, lovely pics.
Do you have a pic of the dark africanum you used for the cross?
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hey,
two plants in the autumn sun.
Cyclamen cyprium
(http://www.bildercache.de/bild/20111012-160947-246.jpg)
Cyclamen cyprium 'ES'
(http://www.bildercache.de/bild/20111012-160947-610.jpg)
enjoy
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Nice patterns goofy
Here a Cyclamen hederifolium from Sicily
almost out of flower
but I like the leaves
Roland
Seems impossible to upload a picture from 80 kb
I will try later again
Roland
Yes it works again
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I wonder the coldest place in Northern Europe where C. hederifolium grows naturally. Seems we must grow ones with a very good provenance to have this species survive long-term.
johnw - 60-90mm on the way, maybe 60mm on Monday and 139mm the previous week. No frost in sight and 19c tomorrow.
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Cyclamen cilicicum
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A very nice pale one with a blotch Arnold
Roland
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I'm not sure if it comes across there's a pale pink flush to the flowers
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All my Cyclamen ciliciums are darker
or white
Roland
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For Dieter
Cyclamen ciliticum pale form purple blotch
Roland
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tks Roland :)
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1) A late flower of Cyclamen graecum album
2) a leaf
3 and 4 : C. graecum anatolicum - leaf forms
5 and 6 : A first C. coum flower emerged
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Fine plants Luc!
Took some pics mainly of leaves - two of the species you have allready shown!
Here they are:
Cyclamen graecum 'Album' - Seedlings
Cyclamen graecum anatolicum - 3 forms
Cyclamen rohlfsianum
Cyclamen graecum anatolicum
Cyclamen graecum candicum
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Cyclamen coum Yayladagi from a fellow forumist as seed.
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A couple of autumnal flowering from the region;
C. persicum var autumnale this morning in the Galilee region [Israel].
C. graecum subsp. anatolicum from N. Cyprus which i visited 10 days ago, it is growing only in two sites in the NW part of the island,
i find it to be an attractive form with a prominent eye and dark veins.
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Oron, thanks for showing these, I really like the colour and flower shape on the C. persicum var autumnale, much nicer than those we have from seed collected at the Duma junction.
The experience of most growers in the UK is that C. graecum ssp anatolicum from Cyprus is very difficult to flower well. I have had two plants for about ten years and have never had a flower......I bet you will have more success in Israel.
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Melvyn,
Seeing the site in Cyprus I'm not surprised regarding the UK experience as it is growing in a dry, windy, very sunny location about 100m from the sea probably needs similar conditions to rohlfsianum...
As for persicum var autumnale, i have found last year a new population in Jordan, not far from the Dead Sea, that means that this form can be found in Lebanon, Syria, Israel, Palestine and Jordan and seems to be much more common then we have thought in the past.
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Another beauty today,
Received as seeds of confusum 'Dark Form' from John Fielding back in 2006.
At the moment it is the darkest Cyclamen i have in my entire collection, seems to be almost dark red.
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Beautiful Oron.
My first Cyclamen coum of the season out in the garden.
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hey,
just took this morning pics from my darkest hederifolium.
it is of "near black" color.
Cyclamen hederifolium cv. black
(http://www.bildercache.de/bild/20111105-103638-470.jpg)
(http://www.bildercache.de/bild/20111105-103638-655.jpg)
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Amazing but wonderful colour Goofy ;)
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hey,
just took this morning pics from my darkest hederifolium.
it is of "near black" color.
Cyclamen hederifolium cv. black
(http://www.bildercache.de/bild/20111105-103638-470.jpg)
(http://www.bildercache.de/bild/20111105-103638-655.jpg)
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What a colour that is.Well Done
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Fantasic coloured C. hederifolium!
Sometimes it is quite surprisingly how different the size within a species can be...
(some C. graecum I grow have about the half size of the leaves of the pictured C.g.a.)
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Fantasic coloured C. hederifolium!
Sometimes it is quite surprisingly how different the size within a species can be...
(some C. graecum I grow have about the half size of the leaves of the pictured C.g.a.)
That's interesting Hans. My only plant of C. graecum album also has very large leaves - much bigger than other forms of graecum. I wonder if they all do?
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Mine do. I have just 2 but the leaves are always very large, more so than the pinks.
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I believe Cyclamen graecum album was found in the Peloponnese sometime in the 1980s by the late Ronald & Erna Frank & was introduced into the UK by them. I would be interested to know whether all examples currently in cultivation derive from this or whether there have been subsequent introductions.
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I believe Cyclamen graecum album was found in the Peloponnese sometime in the 1980s by the late Ronald & Erna Frank & was introduced into the UK by them. I would be interested to know whether all examples currently in cultivation derive from this or whether there have been subsequent introductions.
I think their must be other introductions Gerry ? I think I read about some others in the bulletin of the Cyclamen society ... Did Peter Moore and the CS-expeditions not collect other white ones ?
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Cyclamen rohlfsianum with emerging leaves (very attractive I think ) and in full leaves .
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Cyclamen rohlfsianum with emerging leaves (very attractive I think ) and in full leaves .
I would agree with you, Kris, they are very attractive! Nice to see.
cheers
fermi
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I can confirm that graecum album has been collected by the cyclamen society on the rhodopou in nw crete, I have some of the progeny in my greenhouse.
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Kris
Your rohlfsianum has a wonderfull pattern and color.
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Kris
Your rohlfsianum has a wonderfull pattern and color.
Thanks Oron ! I have 3 mature plants and only one flowers wel ....This one is the good flowering one ...
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Does C. cilicium want to be at soil level or under?
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Does C. cilicium want to be at soil level or under?
Just under.
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Just under for me too and very well drained.
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I agree with Lesley and Martin concerning the cilicium ...
Just one flower of Cyclamen hederifolium above a red carpet of autumnleaves .
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Just under for me too and very well drained.
And coum? How deep can it safely go?
C. purpurascens is still in flower here.
johnw
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[And coum? How deep can it safely go?
johnw
Here in Belgium there is no need to plant coum that deep John . But some other like pseudoibericum e.g. I plant about 10 cm deep.
I never plant deeper then about 10 cm . Ofcourse we now talking about planting in the garden ...
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Kris - The winter freeze/thaw cycle is so severe here I thought I might try planting the coums as deeply as is possible. I have repeatedly lost that species here but a friend nearby grows it successfully, at least during the recent spate of mild winters.
johnw
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Kris - The winter freeze/thaw cycle is so severe here I thought I might try planting the coums as deeply as is possible. I have repeatedly lost that species here but a friend nearby grows it successfully, at least during the recent spate of mild winters.
johnw
That is indeed a reason to plant them deeper! In the wild some Cyclamen grows very deep . I would say no more then 15 cm ? But I have no experience because here I plant the more tender species at 10 cm depth.
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John, I think all cyclamen CAN be planted deep if you want to. The flowers seem to be able to make their way up from quite a depth, especially if the growng medium is quite loose and friable. Most (if not all) will gradually grow permanent floral trunks which take the resting leaf and flower buds closer to the soil surface while the tubers stay deep. If cold is a problem I'd say you could try putting the coum as much as 10 cm down. Maybe try a few at different depths as an experiment?
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A few leaves of Cyclamen hederifolium from my garden today.
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WOW, Pat...that's impressive! :o :o They all look lovely...I love the bottom left one and the top left one the most together with the small pink/purple one!
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What a stunning selection of Heds leaves.
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A few leaves of Cyclamen hederifolium from my garden today.
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Fantastic Pat .
No better Cyclamen then hederifolium if you only regard the leaves .......
Here some of my own ....
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A beautiful selection of leaves - one could almost :D say "who needs flowers?"
A beautiful little dog too.
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I find with Cyclamen coum that if I put 3 or 4cms of compost/soil over the tubers they tend in a year or two to work themselves to the surface. The leaves don't get frosted (except on the pewter leaved forms) and then the seeds grow on top of the tubers if I don't pull them all off and gradually a mound of tubers builds up But our winters are nothing like so severe as yours John.
Some like pseudibericum like to be really deep and the roots go so far down it's almost impossible to lift them.
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A few leaves of Cyclamen hederifolium from my garden today.
GREAT COLLECTION, Pat
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Wonderful foliages Pat and Kris ! I grow now most Cyclamen for their leaves ;)
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Cyclamen alpinum grown from SRGC Seed Ex seed, 1044/07 sown 29 August 2008.
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A rich colour, David.
It's good to see these photos of young plants looking so well and flowering too... gives hope to anyone thinking that it will take "too long" to see any results from seed-sowing. Very encouraging pictures, I would think :)
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David a very nice coloured plant.
Some Cyclamen cilicium near Akseki,Turkey,growing with Crocus cancellatus
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David a very nice coloured plant.
Some Cyclamen cilicium near Akseki,Turkey,growing with Crocus cancellatus
hey, thats fantastic to see them growing there. :)
had only the chance to see heds
growing all over antique site Ugarit in Syria.
cheers
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Some Cyclamen cilicium near Akseki,Turkey,growing with Crocus cancellatus
Fantastic Tony ! And as we can see is cilicium the ideal rockgardenplant !
Please let them be free and not potbounded . It is a much underrated rockgardenplant.
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A few graecum leaves from my garden today. The first and second rows are all ssp candicum. the third and fourth are all ssp anatolicum and the bottom is ssp graecum.
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The last few hederifolium flowers of the autumn.
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A few graecum leaves from my garden today. The first and second rows are all ssp candicum. the third and fourth are all ssp anatolicum and the bottom is ssp graecum.
Envious? Who ME? Oh all right then, yes, ME! :-[
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The last few hederifolium flowers of the autumn.
The last few but outstanding colours! especially the nearly black one!
Gerd
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The last few hederifolium flowers of the autumn.
The last few but outstanding colours! especially the nearly black one!
Gerd
YES!!! YES!!!
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:o :o WOW
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Thank you for your comments. The near black one is from one of three plants given to me by Jan Bravenboer who sells it as dark purple form, it is a late flower so it will not reach its full potential, normally the flower is a better shape and larger. The two red ones are plants from corfu that I look after for the Cyclamen society. When you see them together it is apparent why they key out to red group on the RHS colour chart and not purple.
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The last few but outstanding colours! especially the nearly black one!
Gerd
The dark one is outstanding ...What a colour :o :o :o
Here in the rockgarden Cyclamen cilicium keep on flowering due the high temperatures ...Today again 15 degrees...
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Kris
I think you are right it is a much better garden plant than people imagine and prefers a hotter drier spot than many other species. It does much better for me outside than it does in a pot. And by the way that is a pretty good leaf form for cilicium.
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Thank you Pat . I find it some years ago at Hans Kramers nursery (Hessenhof) Everybody search in the large trays with hederifolium and the ciliciums get no attention.
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A few hederifolium shots from here. 6473-6379 ex Melvyn's fantastic seed.
johnw
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And a few more hederifoliums leaves.
johnw
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I don't know what I did to my repotting mix last Spring but leaves have grown far too big and out of scale. Perhaps it was the blood & bone meal. Here's rohlfsianum. The persicums are bigger than my hand with flowers towering 35cm overhead.
johnw
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Unbelievable! It seems variation never ends!
Gerd
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Some wonderful leaf forms here. Have you given your snowdrops the same soil mix John!
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Fantastic leaves, John and very special dark flowers, Pat!
Never seen such things here around in Austria!
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Hi John
Some lovely leaves there but 6374 is very special. I have a large collection but nothing like that one it really is superb.
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Some wonderful leaf forms here. Have you given your snowdrops the same soil mix John!
Brian - I tried to lighten the Galanthus mix this year but it is basically the same but much leaner than the cyclamen mix. I hope that this will not mean they are a challenge to keep properly watered. On the subject of the leaf forms of the cyclamen, Melvyn sent me the seeds about a year ago and I sprouted just over 144 seeds - 2 flats of 72 plus a pot of a few more as I recall. Stupidly I made my selections that first year and gave the rest away, now it is apparent that the leaves on the selected ones are dramtically different and better than they were last year and no doubt may change further next year. Last year there were several with red-pink showing through the silver, this has not proved to be constant though a few other ones are showing this feature, not on the first leave of 2011 but on their second. Space being such a problem I guess I did save the top ones though some wallflowers have turned out to be greatly improved in the second year. Lesson - wait till year 2 or 3 before selections are made.
johnw - suddenly mild again - +10c
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John
I can recognise at least two and possibly three leaves there that are probally spp crassifolium and will be the progeny of plants from leonidi in the peloponnese. This will also apply to the pink flushed plants that you mention, the depth of pink can vary year to year and may be temperature related.
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Lovely selection of Cyclamen hederifolium leaves, Pat and John.
I am very pleased my Cyclamen persicum have recovered from being frozen in the greenhouse last winter. I do not think they were so far on when the frost hit before I had managed to get the gas heater lit. I am not sure if the one on the front right is still alive but the one on the left is beginning to grow.
They were sown in January 1998 and are from Cyclamen Society collection 90432 from their expedition to Israel.
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Pat - Yes 6374 is a favourite. But I am still reeling from your dark hederifolium and that stunning hederifolium CSE08020 ex Zakinthos Class D3 and a deserved Brian Mathew Trophy Winner, page 36 of the CS Journal. They mention your hederifolium ssp. cressifolium ex CSE93159 with a pink blush but alas no photo. Was that it in Reply 288?
johnw
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John
Yes it was. Pat
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I am shocked into silence by all these Cyclamen pictures. :o
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Wow, some terrific Cyclamen here! :o
I don't know what I did to my repotting mix last Spring but leaves have grown far too big and out of scale. Perhaps it was the blood & bone meal. Here's rohlfsianum.
Not sure if your C. rohlfsianum is out of scale - planted out in the ground some do not look much smaller here. Cannot remember if I have fed this plant ever.
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Envious? Who ME? Oh all right then, yes, ME! :-[
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Not sure if your C. rohlfsianum is out of scale - planted out in the ground some do not look much smaller here.
Cannot remember if I have feeded this plant ever.
Hans, perhaps you should ask Mike if he has 'fed' your plant ;D
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Thomas, as you know Mica is a 'seņorita' who never would do this, but I am not so sure about Hugo who behaves like a little pig sometimes... ::) ;)
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Not sure if your C. rohlfsianum is out of scale - planted out in the ground some do not look much smaller here.
Cannot remember if I have feeded this plant ever.
Hans, perhaps you should ask Mike if he has 'fed' your plant ;D
Hubi! How could you think to blame those adorable little dogs? :o ;)
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I remember when I first saw Cyclamen rohlfsianum in the wild.... my mother kept saying how she couldn't believe that these huge leaves were from a cyclamen..... I was only a little girl and this was my very first experience of ANY cyclamen at all... so I was most impressed... but mostly by how pretty the leaves were! :)
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Thomas, as you know Mica is a 'seņorita' who never would do this, but I am not so sure about Hugo who behaves like a little pig sometimes... ::) ;)
Uuuups, my deepest excuses to seņorita Mica :-X
Sorry, I can't remember we talked about that theme,
and I didn't check the 'fact's' on my last visit 8)
but she really made a fabulous hike with the Hubi's :D
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For not being completly OT - here a picture of the only area of a mountain tour where we found a few plants of Cyclamen balearicum in october- it was very early for this species. (also on this picture a young Hubi and Mica) 8) ;)
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Here are a very early Cyclamen (coum) elegans and an autumn flowering persicum -
(with thanks to the donor)
Gerd
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I have not looked into this thread for almost a year.
This year I have been to Italy in May to look for repandum. Some were still in flower. The leafs were unusually large. The C. hederifolium from the same habitat had already lost their leafs.
One exceptionally large, I took a picture with a 1 Euro coin to compare. (2,3 cm) I think it was even bigger than the C. rohlfsianum shown here. It looked like some kind of Petasites
But all adult plants had much bigger leafs than all C. hederifolium I have seen yet.
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since June in flower, Cyclamen purpurascens silverleaf,
to time on a window inside
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Cyclamen kuznetzovii, my sole survivor has finally flowered and I am decidedly underwhelmed. It measures but 3/16" across and less high, worse it only has 2 petals. As luck would have it is flowering next to a poor flowered C. purpurascens which has an unusual box-shaped flowered measuring only 1/2" wide and high. Hopefully next year the kuznetzovii will straighten itself out. ??? johnw
My assessment of kuznetzovii was indeed premature. It is in flower again at the moment with 10 flowers. It has gained strength, the leaves are large and the flowers are 4 petalled and of a very generous size. The apical makings are white at the tip, dark purple blotch fading to light purple. This is the sole seedling from a sowing on 17 November 2008 from the Cyclamen Society. It is either very slow-growing - coum can be flowered in a year or so from seed - or I have been far too cautious with it. Looks very promising and hopefully it will be hardy outdoors.
johnw - -2c and sunny
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I still have flowers on several plants of Cyclamen purpurascens, but not as many on one plant as you have ,Dirk.
Also flowering in the glasshouse are Cyclamen alpinum, C. coum, C elegans, C. parviflorum, C. x wellensiekii, C pseudubericum, C libanoticum and C. persicum.
Cyclamen coum is flowering outside.
I only have one (quite old) tuber of Cyclamen libanoticum which seems very hardy. It survived last winter's big freeze when the temperature dropped before I got the gas fire lit. It usually produces flowers with 6 or 7 petals. I'm not sure if this is genetic or cultural. I sowed some seed earlier this year and have a number of seedlings coming along so it will be interesting to see how they turn out
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some in flower now
Cyclamen pseudibericum
Cyclamen alpinum
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Lovely plants all.
This one is a bit of a disappointment - it came as C. elegans from the Cyclamen Society - the leaves look like it but the flowers don't. Maybe C. coum causcasicum?
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I was very happy earlier in the week, while weeding and sorting some bulb pots, to find a cluster of fat seed pods on the top of a pot of C. libanoticum. It hasn't done that for me before.
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Maybe things are starting to look up Lesley? :)
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Dear God, I hope so. Poor Chch, another battering last night.
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Dear God, I hope so. Poor Chch, another battering last night.
More trouble for those poor folk, will it never end?
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/christchurch-earthquake/news/article.cfm?c_id=1502981&objectid=10776300