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Title: Rosa roxburghii f. normalis
Post by: Hoy on January 16, 2011, 02:04:55 PM
I know that this isn't a rose site, but I have lots of hips from Rosa roxburghii f. normalis. It is a very fine and floriferous plant completely hardy here. Seeds germinate easily. Older stems with flaking bark and no thorns.
Title: Re: Rosa roxburghii f. normalis
Post by: Maggi Young on January 16, 2011, 02:53:16 PM
Trond, this forum is open to all sorts of plants, on the grounds that SRGC members tend to be people of a very open mind when it comes to the type of plants they are interested in.
Some of us are fortunate enough to have the kind of space that allows us to grow such charming roses as these.... sadly I'm not one ofthose people.... if I only had space I would love to try seed! (And I say that as someone who is not a great rose lover!)  :D
Title: Re: Rosa roxburghii f. normalis
Post by: Hoy on January 16, 2011, 03:56:30 PM
Maggi, I have understood that this is a forum with a wide botanical amplitude! But I have not seen any other thread with roses, not that I am particularly rose freak. However, this rose is handsome and tolerates the climate here very well so I thought others maybe were interested.
Title: Re: Rosa roxburghii f. normalis
Post by: Gail on January 16, 2011, 05:02:04 PM
Trond - there is a nice long rose thread here http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=5575.0  Lots of us love roses!
Title: Re: Rosa roxburghii f. normalis
Post by: Hoy on January 16, 2011, 05:19:28 PM
Thanks Gail!
I haven't managed to look further back than last autumn! This site is a huge and topic-rich archive.
Title: Re: Rosa roxburghii f. normalis
Post by: Lesley Cox on January 16, 2011, 08:01:33 PM
The foliage of your rose is beautiful, never mind the flowers! :D
Title: Re: Rosa roxburghii f. normalis
Post by: fermi de Sousa on January 17, 2011, 02:30:56 AM
But it's the fruits for which it is named the "chestnut rose", Lesley.
Trond,
I'll send you a PM,
cheers
fermi
Title: Re: Rosa roxburghii f. normalis
Post by: arillady on January 17, 2011, 09:11:07 AM
The two roxburghii roses - normalis and plena are really fine plants - their foliage would colour up nicely in autumn too as well as having great hips. Their flowers are quite large for species too. I enjoy growing any rose species from seed but seed isn't on seed lists very often.
Title: Re: Rosa roxburghii f. normalis
Post by: Hoy on January 17, 2011, 10:48:51 AM
Pat,
I have it on my list now if you are interested!
Title: Re: Rosa roxburghii f. normalis
Post by: Paul T on January 17, 2011, 10:12:02 PM
Out of interest, is roxburgii plena a much smaller grower?  I friend in the southern highlands has what he told me is roxbugii plena and it is quite small compared to what appears in your photos.  An absolutely charming smallish double flower, on neat small mounds to maybe a metre tall?  I fell in love with it, but have never been able to track down a source for it that had any stock at the time I was looking.  Some of the species are such beauties!!
Title: Re: Rosa roxburghii f. normalis
Post by: Hoy on January 17, 2011, 10:22:34 PM
My plants have reached 3m tall and as much wide - till now. Maybe a hotter drier climate keep the growth low. They are easily pruned if you want.
Title: Re: Rosa roxburghii f. normalis
Post by: Paul T on January 17, 2011, 11:36:23 PM
Good grief!!  :o :o  They're take up half my garden!!  The plena I saw in my friend garden wasn't even 1m tall, let alone 3m.  Even with pruning, that is a BIG difference. ;D
Title: Re: Rosa roxburghii f. normalis
Post by: Stephenb on January 18, 2011, 09:22:52 AM
Some years ago, I saw a Rosa roxburghii in the Chelsea Physic Garden in London (picture). I hadn't seen yellow hips like this before  - do they turn to a chestnut colour when ripe (or is this something different)?

Title: Re: Rosa roxburghii f. normalis
Post by: arillady on January 18, 2011, 11:15:06 AM
Rosa roxburghii plena and Rosa roxburghii normalis at the Mt Lofty Botanic Gardens where Tina has made a wonderful collection.
Title: Re: Rosa roxburghii f. normalis
Post by: Lesley Cox on January 18, 2011, 07:13:30 PM
What amazing hips those are Stephen. Very exciting.
Hoy, do you have a seed list of things for sale? Rosa roxburghii is allowed into NZ ao I'd love to buy a few seeds.
Title: Re: Rosa roxburghii f. normalis
Post by: Hoy on January 18, 2011, 08:37:55 PM
What amazing hips those are Stephen. Very exciting.
Hoy, do you have a seed list of things for sale? Rosa roxburghii is allowed into NZ ao I'd love to buy a few seeds.
Sorry, no seed list of things for sale ;)
But you can have them free, just mail me your address.
Title: Re: Rosa roxburghii f. normalis
Post by: Hoy on January 18, 2011, 08:45:10 PM
Some years ago, I saw a Rosa roxburghii in the Chelsea Physic Garden in London (picture). I hadn't seen yellow hips like this before  - do they turn to a chestnut colour when ripe (or is this something different)?

Stephen, my plants differ a little: The hips are coarser and the prickles somewhat fewer and larger but the leaves look more delicate. The colour doesn't turn quite the same either. However the last can be the different climate.
Title: Re: Rosa roxburghii f. normalis
Post by: Paul T on January 18, 2011, 11:36:58 PM
Rosa roxburghii plena and Rosa roxburghii normalis at the Mt Lofty Botanic Gardens where Tina has made a wonderful collection.

Pat,

How big is the plena version growing there?  Is it smaller than the normalis?  The flowers look like I recall at my friend's place.
Title: Re: Rosa roxburghii f. normalis
Post by: arillady on January 20, 2011, 06:55:34 AM
Paul I would say that the plant was a metre or so high but wider. I can't remember how big the normalis form was but I feel it was larger.
Title: Re: Rosa roxburghii f. normalis
Post by: Paul T on February 01, 2011, 11:25:45 AM
Pat,

That fits with the plena that I know at my friend's place up in the southern highlands.  Glad to hear that I'm thinking of the right thing.  ;D  I really want to find a source for it, although I should probably reconsider that as the garden is already full.  ;D  Rosa pimpernellifolia 'Irish Rich Marble' (I think that is the right name) is very much sulking in it's pot at present, barely doing much at all.  I just love it, but the garden where I got it from shows me just how well it can send stolons when it gets going.  :o  Her clump of it was 2.5m wide by 1.6m tall and only stopped by the garden edge being kept in check.  I've not been game to put mine in the ground for that reason, and I've never sorted out a big pot for it.  At least the roxburghii plena would be more behaved, or at least it was being stoloniferous for my friend.  And we don't think his was grafted as far as he knows.
Title: Re: Rosa roxburghii f. normalis
Post by: fermi de Sousa on February 01, 2011, 09:55:05 PM
Trond,
the seeds have arrived safely! ;D
I'll forward the packs to Pat and Paul when I can.
cheers
fermi
Title: Re: Rosa roxburghii f. normalis
Post by: Hoy on February 01, 2011, 11:04:07 PM
Trond,
the seeds have arrived safely! ;D
I'll forward the packs to Pat and Paul when I can.
cheers
fermi

That's fine! Good luck to you all :D
Title: Re: Rosa roxburghii f. normalis
Post by: Paul T on February 02, 2011, 07:11:59 AM
Fermi,

If they're to 3m tall there is no point me growing them, Fermi.  I just have no space.  :o :o
Title: Re: Rosa roxburghii f. normalis
Post by: fermi de Sousa on February 02, 2011, 07:23:28 AM
That's fine, Paul, as Lesley wants some and it'll save Trond the cost of another international mailout! ;D
Should I sow my share now or wait till autumn?
cheers
fermi
Title: Re: Rosa roxburghii f. normalis
Post by: arillady on February 02, 2011, 09:37:04 AM

Fermi put the seed in the fridge and then plant out in autumn after the autumn rains begin in earnest is my policy.
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