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Specific Families and Genera => Iris => Topic started by: Michael J Campbell on January 09, 2012, 10:07:45 PM
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The first reticulate Iris in the garden this year,more than a month early.
Iris reticulata, ex garden centre
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Fine Plant Michael!
A Iris histrio is flowering for the first time, grown from seed ( had it labeled as Iris vartanii ::)).
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An Alan McMurtie hybrid from Janis - Orange Glow.
Alex
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Maybe more yellow than orange? but a little stunner all the same. An amazing colour combination. :o
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Woo, love those little cuties! :-*
An Alan McMurtie hybrid from Janis - Orange Glow.
Very unique and I like it very much!
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A couple of reticulate iris in flower in the bulb house:
Iris collected near the Iraqi border in Iran
Iris kopetdagensis - bought from Leonid Bondarenko in 2009
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That 'Orange (Yellow ;)) Glow' is wonderful, Alex.
I like those Irisses you collected near the Iraqi border a lot, Arthur...very fine petals! And I kopetdagensis is very nice too!
The first in flower in my garden was on the 18th of December: Iris 'Dance On'
Now Iris hyrcana, Iris 'Gordon' and Iris 'Katherine Hodgkin' are in flower outside too!
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Great stuff folks !! :D
Art, the potful fom Iran/Iraq is beautiful - the one to the right at the bottom is my clear favourite !!
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A couple of reticulate iris in flower in the bulb house:
Iris collected near the Iraqi border in Iran
Iris kopetdagensis - bought from Leonid Bondarenko in 2009
Sorry Arthur, but it is not typical "kopetdaghensis", although by flower color it looks identical. One of main features separating kopetdaghesis from reticulata by Rodionenko is development of leaves comparing with flowers. By Rodionenko leaves in typical kopetdaghensis allways are positioned below flowers during blooming. I have both plants - true kopetdaghensis from Rodionenko and Leonids plant, looking very similar, but... leaf position is different.
Really is the "kopetdaghensis" real species or not, at present no one checked. DNA research is requested. In any case it must be renamed, because it really belongs to genus Iris, but there is another kopetdaghense between juno irises.
Janis
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Maybe more yellow than orange? but a little stunner all the same. An amazing colour combination. :o
It is really orange (here) at start of blooming but later turns to deep yellow, but you are right - at any stage it is magnificent.
Janis
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Great stuff folks !! :D
Art, the potful fom Iran/Iraq is beautiful - the one to the right at the bottom is my clear favourite !!
Luc
They are all identical - it is just that the one bottom right has opened further to reveal its sexy bits :)
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A couple of reticulate iris in flower in the bulb house:
Iris collected near the Iraqi border in Iran
Iris kopetdagensis - bought from Leonid Bondarenko in 2009
Sorry Arthur, but it is not typical "kopetdaghensis", although by flower color it looks identical. One of main features separating kopetdaghesis from reticulata by Rodionenko is development of leaves comparing with flowers. By Rodionenko leaves in typical kopetdaghensis allways are positioned below flowers during blooming. I have both plants - true kopetdaghensis from Rodionenko and Leonids plant, looking very similar, but... leaf position is different.
Really is the "kopetdaghensis" real species or not, at present no one checked. DNA research is requested. In any case it must be renamed, because it really belongs to genus Iris, but there is another kopetdaghense between juno irises.
Janis
Thanks Janis for the explanation - as I understand you I should call it Iris reticulata.
Whatever I call it, I think it is a great colour.
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I think out newest Forum member knows a little bit about Iris reticulatas ;D
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Thanks Janis for the explanation - as I understand you I should call it Iris reticulata.
Whatever I call it, I think it is a great colour.
I agree about colour, I like them both, too although, some forms of same colour has larger flower parts. I suppose that under name Iris reticulata is hided several species, only no one worked on them seriously. The last newcomer was Iris zagrica, before that I described pskemense from CA and subsp. kurdica from E Turkey. The last has another special feature which I didn't noted when maid description - anthers of reticulata kurdica are black. I don't know any other sample from reticulatas with black anthers. There are 3 acquisitions from E Turkey which are registered in my files as subsp. kurdica and all have black anthers whilst all other my reticulata's sensu lato inclusive zagrica has yellow anthers. May be some of you observed black anthers in other reticulatas? May be it will be worth to rise the status of subsp. kurdica to Iris kurdica?
Janis
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Another Iris from Iran - a 'hill' outside Sanandaj.
It was difficult to get a really good shot of this Iris as the eind was blowing and the light was not very good. I have included the enlargement of the tip of the fall as this is clearly in faocus
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Very beautiful too Arthur.
Does it by any chance have black anthers? ;)
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Very beautiful too Arthur.
Does it by any chance have black anthers? ;)
Ashley
This one does not have black anthers, but I have just examined one that looks identical - different location - and it appears to have black anthers. Will attempt to get some reasonable shots tomorrow.
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Sorry, I was being obtuse, Alan McMurtrie is the newest Forum member
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So he is. :D Do you check up on the membership each day David? ;D
A warm welcome Alan. I hope you'll be posting pictures of your outstanding irises here very soon. My tongue is already placed strategically on my lips, ready to start licking. ;D
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Alan , a very warm welcome to the best and friendliest Forum . I still remember your visit to my place with your then girlfriend in 1984 . I have just ordered some of your exciting I. sophenensis x danfordiae crosses from our friend Janis Ruksans ,
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Arthur , beautyful colour combinations in your Iranian I. reticulata !
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Another Iris from Iran - a 'hill' outside Sanandaj.
It was difficult to get a really good shot of this Iris as the eind was blowing and the light was not very good. I have included the enlargement of the tip of the fall as this is clearly in faocus
Very beautiful, Arthur. Love the dip pen-like tips!
Alan, a warm welcome from me too. I'm looking forward to seeing some of your pictures appearing here!
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So he is. :D Do you check up on the membership each day David? ;D
Of course Lesley, doesn't everyone ??? ;D
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Here is the other Iranian iris that appears to have 'black' anthers.
The second shot of anthers shows the anthers from the iris I posted yesterday. Other Iranian iris seem to have 'ivory' coloured anthers
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You really do have some lovely plants there Arthur.
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David
I hope I have a lot more to come.
The McMurtrie seed we shared last year is just starting to germinate. I am hopeful that the seed I sowed in 2006 will produce some flowers this year - if they are half as good as the selections we have seen I will be very happy.
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David
I hope I have a lot more to come.
The McMurtrie seed we shared last year is just starting to germinate. I am hopeful that the seed I sowed in 2006 will produce some flowers this year - if they are half as good as the selections we have seen I will be very happy.
Arthur, I know time passes quickly when you're enjoying yourself but the seed we shared I got in 2009. ::) I was thinking I might get mine to flowering size in another couple of years.
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Iris 'Rhapsody' and Iris 'George' are coming into flower here now too!
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This one from Iran WHIR-080 (Between Ramiyan and Shesh Ab. 640 m alt.) opened flowers on windowsill and will be raplaced back to greenhouse.
Janis
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It looks similar to hyrcana?
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It looks similar to hyrcana?
Yes, you are right and it comes from locality where hyrcana could be foundable.
Janis
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Thankyou Janis.
I was given another I reticulata, in flower today, which looks similar, a little smaller than "Talysh form" and a shade darker ANIRI 10002 Olan Pass. Where is the Olan Pass?
The small tradidional form of hyrcana will be open tomorrow if it is sunny here. Talish form has been in flower for a week.
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Talish hyrcana is the earliest of reticulatas with me and this one (WHIR-080) is the earliest from species (not hybrids!) this year.
Janis
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Commercial I bakeriana was first for me, usually it is Talysh.
I reticulata KPPZ 90 -152 is flowering, so are Iris histroides from both yourself and Norman Stevens.
McMurtries "Blue Ice" is flowering, as well as his "Sophistication". Leonids "Lovely Lisa is in flower too.
They were potted late this winter which may have delayed some.
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Thanks for showing all those beautiful Iris!
Here is the other Iranian iris that appears to have 'black' anthers.
Fantastic plant, Arthur!
Actually still Iris histrio in flower but also first Iris pamphylica, Iris zagrica will start soon. :D
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Thankyou Janis.
I was given another I reticulata, in flower today, which looks similar, a little smaller than "Talysh form" and a shade darker ANIRI 10002 Olan Pass. Where is the Olan Pass?
The small tradidional form of hyrcana will be open tomorrow if it is sunny here. Talish form has been in flower for a week.
It is the Olang Pass in Iran
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Two from today, Iris pamphylica and Iris zagrica 'black and white'.
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Where is the drooling symbol when you want it.
Hans - it is one special Iris after another - all perfectly grown.
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You're looking for this , Art... and I agree......
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Iris reticulata coll. Iran in my AGS seed. I hope.....
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Two from today, Iris pamphylica and Iris zagrica 'black and white'.
You keep amazing us Hans !! :o :o
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Absolutely stunning Hans!
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Hans, simply superb! :o
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What else ???
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Two from today, Iris pamphylica and Iris zagrica 'black and white'.
I can only join Maggi's man on picture seeing both your irises. By the way - I'm something doubtfull about including this black-white Iris in zagrica, may be it is another one yet not described. But may be I'm wrong. I hope I still have 1-2 bulbs of it and those which I have as zagrica looks different.
Janis
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Super plants Hans!
From your experience how long it takes I. pamphilica to flower from seeds?
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Good question Oron ;)
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Super plants Hans!
From your experience how long it takes I. pamphilica to flower from seeds?
My seedlings (pamphylica) started flowering after 5 years since sawing. They were grown in pots.
Janis
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Well, still some time to wait... :'(
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Iris 'Sheila Ann Germaney' was showing colour in the frame so I took it into the greenhouse to open the flowers.
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Beautiful, Roma!
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Hans,
your Iris 'Black and White' takes my breath whenever I see photos of it :o.
Does it set seeds when you self it? Have you tried already?
It would be interesting to see if it preserves the fabulous contrast of the ice-white(-blue) styles and the blackish-violet falls.
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Hans,
your Iris 'Black and White' takes my breath whenever I see photos of it :o.
Does it set seeds when you self it? Have you tried already?
It would be interesting to see if it preserves the fabulous contrast of the ice-white(-blue) styles and the blackish-violet falls.
Where this one grow in nature it is quite uniform. Unfortunately I lost most of them and at present only one pot is listed on my files and it didn't bloomed last year. So at present most likely I have only one blooming size bulb. Of course - I will try to self it and then will inform you.
Janis
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My seedlings (pamphylica) started flowering after 5 years since sawing. They were grown in pots.
Janis
Thanks Janis,
I'll have to wait another season...but its worth it!
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Iris danfordiae (common commercial form) popped open here in a warm nook by the front door on the 25th - three weeks earlier than last year. I think it's going to be a strange spring.
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... to follow a strange winter, strange autumn, strange summer. Strange world ;D
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Yes david, but weather forecast in france said that next week we should get -12°C for several days ...... :'( :o
I'd have prefer to get this low temp in december or january....
Lot's of plants are growing well now and we'll have damages, for sure....
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some Iris reticulata flowering here.
Iris reticulata "Armenia"
Iris reticulata "caucasica"
and Iris reticulata ex Lake Sevan grown from seeds
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Iris histro,
Iris hyrcana,
Iris reticulata Paris Flare and Iris reticulata ex Olang Pass in the back ground
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And some more hybreds
Iris Strike a Pose,
Iris Violet Mystery,
Iris Blue Ice,
Iris Sophistication
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If any one thinks the Blue Ice or Sophistication has the wrong name I should be glad to know. I had a mixed pot last year and I would like to know that the lables stayed with the correct plants and that the others were correctly identified.
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Mouthwateringly lovely Peter. Mine are some way off yet.
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Thanks David, there has been good light again this year.
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Thanks David, there has been good light again this year.
Not in Devon there hasn't, it's all right for you lot in the Banana Belt ;D
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What is the one just showing to the left of the fourth photo?
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I think it is a bakeriana reticulata cross from Leonid, will have to check.
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Yes Iris reticulata Lovely Lisa, it was the first to flower for me this year, along with comercial I bakeriana.
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Beautiful plants Roma and Tom, great selection Peter!
Thanks everyone for the comments. :)
Super plants Hans!
From your experience how long it takes I. pamphilica to flower from seeds?
My seedlings (pamphylica) started flowering after 5 years since sawing. They were grown in pots.
Janis
Here it takes normally 4 years to flower from seed, sometimes five but I had also one or two plants flowering after three years - so Fred, might be you should not have to wait so long. ;)
Two from today, Iris pamphylica and Iris zagrica 'black and white'.
I can only join Maggi's man on picture seeing both your irises. By the way - I'm something doubtfull about including this black-white Iris in zagrica, may be it is another one yet not described. But may be I'm wrong. I hope I still have 1-2 bulbs of it and those which I have as zagrica looks different.
Janis
Thanks Janis, I agree with you, I am not sure if this one belongs to Iris zagrica (which should also start to flower in a few days) - but I think actually it is accepted to belong to this species.
Does it set seeds when you self it? Have you tried already?
It would be interesting to see if it preserves the fabulous contrast of the ice-white(-blue) styles and the blackish-violet falls.
I was given two or three small offsetbulbs two years ago and it is the first one of them in bloom, as Janis mentioned it should come true from seed, when selfing had worked...
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I can only join Maggi's man on picture seeing both your irises. By the way - I'm something doubtfull about including this black-white Iris in zagrica, may be it is another one yet not described. But may be I'm wrong. I hope I still have 1-2 bulbs of it and those which I have as zagrica looks different.
Janis
Thanks Janis, I agree with you, I am not sure if this one belongs to Iris zagrica (which should also start to flower in a few days) - but I think actually it is accepted to belong to this species.
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Hans, I just checked more detailed description of I. zagrica in Curtis' Botanical Magazine. Check your plants - anthers must be black, ovary over soil (not hided below) - seems it is just on your picture. There are some other features, too. If you want I can scan this article. Attached picture seems very similar to yours plant. I discussed subject with Tony Hall and he expressed opinion that may be my Iris reticulata subsp. kurdica is the same although different in color. I don't think so, but if Tony is right, then my name has priority. I will send some bulbs of kurdica to Kew for DNA this summer.
Janis
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If any one thinks the Blue Ice or Sophistication has the wrong name I should be glad to know. I had a mixed pot last year and I would like to know that the lables stayed with the correct plants and that the others were correctly identified.
May be those pictures will help you in identification, although both quite similar (of course less similar than in case of Joyce and Harmony). It is one of Alan's problems (and my problem, and many plant breeder problem, too) - to destroy good growing but too similar stock before giving it name.
Janis
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Thank you Janis, it seems the lables are right. they are more different when the flowers are new.
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Iris histroides,
Iris hyrcana,
Iris reticulata Paris Flare and Iris reticulata ex Olang Pass in the back ground
Peter,
i think your Iris histrioides is a Iris histrio.
Iris histrioides is in flower without or very short leaves.
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Thankyou Dirk,
I will correct it. no histroides out here yet.. :-[
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Some reticulate Irisses flowering here now:
Iris histrioides 'Angel's Tears'
Iris 'Ruby'
Iris 'Alida'
Iris 'Clairette'
Iris histrio in bud
and Iris 'Pixie'
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Wim
You must be basking in warmer temperatures than us - mine are only now poking through the soil.
Nice selection
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Wim
You must be basking in warmer temperatures than us - mine are only now poking through the soil.
Nice selection
That's the advantage of living at the Flemish Riviera, Arthur ;D
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An iris zagrica from bulbs bought at the sale of some of Jim Archibald's stock at the 2010 AGS Fritillaria Group meeting.
Alex
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Very nice, Alex. Lucky to be able to have these reminders of Jim. 8)
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A refined beauty Alex. Would you say that it needs more protection than reticulata forms?
I. zagrica seed I received from Kurt Vickery last summer is germinating now.
Less exotic but one I like: Iris 'Clairette'
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A few irises pictured on Sunday
Iris 'Katharine Hodgkin' outside in the snow
Iris histrioides 'Lady Beatrix Stanley'
Iris reticulata 'Pauline' which I won in the raffle at Dunblane
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'Clairette ' is very nice Ashley. A subtle beauty to it I would say. Sometimes when I'm looking to buy, the bold, 'look at me' plants take my money, but then, in the garden, plants like this keep me enthralled for longer. ;) :)
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Lovely Iris, Roma. Do they cheer you up during these winter days as they do me? I'm afraid I love to look into these beautiful flowers ( for perhaps an unhealthy length of time!) and try to imagine 'why?' have they evolved to this state of beauty. Who are they calling out to? :) :) :)
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'why?' have they evolved to this state of beauty. Who are they calling out to? :) :) :)
Pollinators ;) ;D
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Pollinators ;) ;D
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;) But what subtle difference if only for pollinators. If you want to attract a Macroglossum stelleratum, or a Big Bird, then why bother to change slightly from your family which has been succesful. So many colour variations, so few pollinators!
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Can 'Clairette' be grown as per the other Reticulatas please Ashley? We grow a number of them in an outdoor raised bed, uncovered all year round and they do very well. Do you think this one would be the same? Thanks.
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........We grow a number of them in an outdoor raised bed, uncovered all year round and they do very well.... ............
It must be your drier climate Ron. I've lost count of the times I've started with a batch of ten bulbs or so and the following year finishing up with two/three if I'm lucky.
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I'm amazed David, :o :o. I never gave any thought to the fact that this could happen. The raised beds I made are really perfect drainage and grow these, Junos, Frits, Crocus, Daffs, Lilies, Scills, Muscari, Tulips, etc. Only the common ones of course. Didn't realise it but maybe we're very lucky.
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Pollinators ;) ;D
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;) But what subtle difference if only for pollinators. If you want to attract a Macroglossum stelleratum, or a Big Bird, then why bother to change slightly from your family which has been succesful. So many colour variations, so few pollinators!
Very true Ron. Indeed for an avowed rationalist/atheist like myself it's hard to understand why we perceive so much of nature as beautiful :)
Yes here 'Clairette' does fine outdoors under the same conditions as straight reticulata cultivars. Its other parent I. bakeriana also holds its own outdoors, although my few plants from a commercial source look virus-infected this year so must be culled :'(
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Pollinators ;) ;D
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;) But what subtle difference if only for pollinators. If you want to attract a Macroglossum stelleratum, or a Big Bird, then why bother to change slightly from your family which has been succesful. So many colour variations, so few pollinators!
Very true Ron. Indeed for an avowed rationalist/atheist like myself it's hard to understand why we perceive so much of nature as beautiful :)
Perhaps rationalist/atheists like you (& me) cannot help but look at nature as if it had been purposefully made by an intelligent being or an artist even though, rationally, we think it has not.
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Perhaps rationalist/atheists like you (& me) cannot help but look at nature as if it had been purposefully made by an intelligent being or an artist even though, rationally, we think it has not.
Certainly Gerry, but why? Appreciation of exquisitely intricate mechanisms & functional designs might be considered to confer competitive advantage, but it's harder to extend this to our perception of purely aesthetic beauty ???
Another thread swerves wildly into the sunset :) ;D
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I don't know why we have an aesthetic sense. Perhaps that's not an answerable question. Or, as the Darwinists might say when confronted by something inexplicable in adaptive terms, it's a byproduct or an accidental product of something else which is adaptive.
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I'm puzzled by the lateness of my Sheila Anne Germaney and Frank Elder. These were bought as dry bulbs so maybe they aren't settled.
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Clairette as well others old Dutch reticulatas are quite easy outdors, but Alan's McMurtries new reticulata hybrids with me better grow just outside than under cover. Outside they makes larger bulbs and really didn't suffer from moisture. All Alan hybrids are sawn in open garden and grown up without protection, so nature selects best growers on his hybrid beds. Here are two problems in open garden - rodents which can destroy stock (didn't happen yet, because there still are crocuses - more tasty for rodents) and night frosts which can damage early flowers. But bulb crop in last years was very good even when left without annual replanting.
Janis
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I have a friend near Reading (UK)who also finds Alan McMurtries crosses do well in the ground.
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........We grow a number of them in an outdoor raised bed, uncovered all year round and they do very well.... ............
It must be your drier climate Ron. I've lost count of the times I've started with a batch of ten bulbs or so and the following year finishing up with two/three if I'm lucky.
Me too David. Our mild wet winters in NW England also suit slugs which I find devastate reticulate iris here. The junos (bucharica and magnifica) are grazed too but usually not too badly and we can keep these going planted out. Pots or the bulb frame only for the reticulatas - where I can keep the little slimy devils at bay. A shame because our limy and perfectly drained soil otherwise suits bulbs really well.
Nice to see 'Clairette' Ashley - possibly the nicest reticulata to my eyes.
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Here is Iris winogradowii. This year I appear to have lost a group and the main stand is flowering one bulb at a time. It was probably too dry here in the summer
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Rather similar results here Ian. Although still well established, a few less flowers so far this year. I am wondering however if they were interrupted by that cold snap we had last week after a period of very mild weather. I say this as only I. winogradowii was affected, and it happened to be emerging flowers just as the change happened.
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I think I'm right in saying that I. winogradowii requires some moisture during the summer. I haven't tried it but if that is the case it ought to do well here!
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Yes, winogradowii needs some light shade and some moisture in summer. Otherwise it is quite hardy but sometimes I lost some part of stock, too.
Janis
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Light shade and some moisture David - but not a bog or continuous downpour, as you frequently give us to believe you have.
Funnily enough, the other day at the market I met someone from Ivybridge. I always ask where someone comes from when they have an obviously non-kiwi accent. I said I knew someone who lived there and he frequently mentioned the very wet weather. The woman's face became downcast and miserable and she said "oh yes, it's always like that."
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Rather similar results here Ian. Although still well established, a few less flowers so far this year. I am wondering however if they were interrupted by that cold snap we had last week after a period of very mild weather. I say this as only I. winogradowii was affected, and it happened to be emerging flowers just as the change happened.
I think I'm right in saying that I. winogradowii requires some moisture during the summer. I haven't tried it but if that is the case it ought to do well here!
Yes, winogradowii needs some light shade and some moisture in summer. Otherwise it is quite hardy but sometimes I lost some part of stock, too.
Janis
As soon as I can I always try to plant bits in various conditions for safety. I will have to start again
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Funnily enough, the other day at the market I met someone from Ivybridge. I always ask where someone comes from when they have an obviously non-kiwi accent. I said I knew someone who lived there and he frequently mentioned the very wet weather. The woman's face became downcast and miserable and she said "oh yes, it's always like that."
It's a very small world Lesley. Glad they backed me up as far as the weather is concerned.
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My first Iris for many years.
I blame daveyp1970 for getting me started on bulbs again 8)
Katherine Hodgkins, just opened today ;D
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Welcome back to the fold Fred, ;D.
Lovely 'K.Hodgkin' pictures. May I ask, was this from a commercial ( i.e. Garden Centre type ), source or from a private collection? I only ask as it seems a particularly fine, clean looking specimen. :) :)
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That was a spur of the moment buy in a small garden centre Ron.
Pick your own out of the box.
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Excellent choice !! ;D
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My first Iris for many years.
I blame daveyp1970 for getting me started on bulbs again 8)
Katherine Hodgkins, just opened today ;D
Fred it's good to see you again matey ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D,fancy some snowdrops ect.
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my first Reticulatas this year,
F2 generation from Iris sophenesis x danfordiae
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very nice indeed Dirk.
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David, many thanks.
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Very nice seedling Dirk, is it one clone?
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Dirk
Did you make the cross?
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Very good, Dirk!
Janis
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Many thanks, Janis.
Peter and Arthur, yes this is one clone raised by me.
I receive in 2002 some bulbs I.sophenensis x danfordiae from Alam Mc Murtrie.
Plants from this seed have flowers in several colours, so pale blue, near green, blue-white
and blue-yellow.
Unfortunately, all plants from F2 cross are more difficult than the F1 cross. :'(
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Here the pale blue form ( similar the F1 cross ) from I.sophenensis x danfordiae
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Unfortunately, all plants from F2 cross are more difficult than the F1 cross. :'(
But perhaps there is good hope for the F3? :)
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Maggi,
i had never seed from this, the F2 is possibly sterile. :'(
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Maggi,
i had never seed from this, the F2 is possibly sterile. :'(
Oh! That is a shame. I do know that it is possible to have some fertile chances to make F3 and F4 in Crocus.... perhaps not in Iris? I do not know much about Iris breeding. :-\
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Maggi,
i had never seed from this, the F2 is possibly sterile. :'(
Oh! That is a shame. I do know that it is possible to have some fertile chances to make F3 and F4 in Crocus.... perhaps not in Iris? I do not know much about Iris breeding. :-\
Maggi
You are not alone...
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Spectacular Iris Dirk! :o
(even I still prefer species)
Iris zagrica and Iris pamphylica pictured yesterday.
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Spectacular Iris Dirk! :o
(even I still prefer species)
Me too - the Iris pamphylica seem to be multiplying nicely :)
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Wonderful pictures, Hans!
Just one question: Is this the same I. zagrica that you have already shown us before (http://www.srgc.org.uk/forum/index.php?topic=8347.msg227345#msg227345)?
I find that especially the color of the falls has changed from violet-blue to purple. Also the styles seem to be more blueish than before. So the question is, if this depends on the age of the flower or if the new picture shows another plant.
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It is very typical zagrica. As species it is quite variable. Note black anthers - one of special features of zagrica. Such anthers has only zagrica and my subsp. kurdica of reticulata.
Janis
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Thanks Arthur and Winwen!
Yes Iris pamphylica is multiplying slowly in a few clones - some did not multiply in several years.
Winwen - this Iris zagrica is a different plant to the shown one earlier - you are right it has bluish standards and purple falls, also flower is smaller - as Janis mentioned before first plant possibly does not belong to Iris zagrica.
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Hans, did you start your I.pamphylica from seed? It is a truly beautiful plant, especially so when seen growing well as per your pictures. 8) You mention different clones and I wondered how they came about. Superb!! :o
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This is my only retic to flower this year, Iris 'White Caucasus'. As I said last year (and probably the year before as well ::) ) it isn't white, it has a blue tinge to it.
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Nice to see you've still got it, David. It is still whiter than 'Natasha'. The ones I bought in a pot at the Early Bulb Display last year rotted away after flowering. I must try to get some bulbs this autumn.
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It is very nice David. 8) 8). I too will be looking out for some bulbs of it this autumn. Thanks for showing. :)
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Here are some reticulatas and some McMurtie hybrids which bloomed in Jan. and Feb.
Iris 'Orange Glow' - not much orange, but a lovely, glowing flower. It was in bloom in mid Jan.
I. 'Passion' - I really like the greens in this one. Not sure why passion for a name, but it's a beauty.
I. 'Sea Green' - perfect blends of blue, green, and yellow for me.
I. reticulata 'Bold 'n Beautiful' - it is a very large flower, well proportioned.
I. reticulata 'Velvet Smile' - rich in color and elegant in form. A long lasting flower, which just went over two days ago.
I. 'Avalanche' - from the side a lovely blue white, but from the top it's bold blue stripe is striking.
I. histriodes - Nature doing just fine on her own.
I. reticulatus ssp. caucasicus - the photo is a bit over-exposed as the flower is darker, but I really like the crossed standards.
Jim
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Very nice indeed Jim and very well grown, could you tell us which part of the world you garden in please? I'm a little bit concerned about your last one "Iris reticulatus ssp. caucasicus"-where did the name come from please. It's not listed in The Plant List and looks to me (although I accept I'm no expert) like any rather nice I. reticulata form.
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Very lovely Jim. 8)
I particularly like the I.reticulata in the last picture. Is this a recognised ssp. , do you know?
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Snap, David !! ;D
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;)
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David, Jim is in Washington state USA. He should be back on later today.
John
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Love the green ones
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David, Jim is in Washington state USA. He should be back on later today.
John
Thanks John.
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Here are some of my retics this year.
Deep Blue Sea
Kuh-e-Abr and clump
Margurite
John
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Nice Retics from all,
here some from my garden today:
Iris histrioides 'Angel's Eye'
'Lady Beatrix Stanley'
'Palm Spring'
reticulata from Halkis Dagh, SE-Turkey
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Nice plants everyone, Here is an ordinary one from me but I love the colour
I sheila ann germaney
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Very nice indeed Jim and very well grown, could you tell us which part of the world you garden in please? I'm a little bit concerned about your last one "Iris reticulatus ssp. caucasicus"-where did the name come from please. It's not listed in The Plant List and looks to me (although I accept I'm no expert) like any rather nice I. reticulata form.
As JohnW said, I'm in the Bellevue/Seattle area of Washington state. Mediterranean Climate, so they tell us.
Now I'm confused about my "I. ret. ssp. cauc." My records show it came from Janus Ruksans last year as item #421, 4 Euros, though as Iris reticulatus caucasica - no ssp. But oddly enough I don't even find it in the electronic version of his 2011 catalogue on my computer.
I did get a "white" "Iris caucasica" from Choice landscapes at the RHS Autumn show this past Oct. Will see if there's a pot of it and the photographed one when I return home this evening. I won't be back on wifi until next Friday, so forgive a delayed reply.
Janus does mention "Iris reticulata caucasica" (not as a "ssp.") several times in the 2011 electronic catalogue as a parent plant Alan McMurtie uses in several of his crosses, including 'Bold 'n Beautiful'. Perhaps it's meant to be Iris reticulata ex Caucasica.
Sorry to be so thick about this. Appreciate the question, though.
Jim
P.S. New info, David: From Jānus Rukŝāns' Late summer/autumn 2011 catalogue: item #412 "Iris reticulata caucasica. Marvelous dark reddish purple I. reticulata form collected wild near Tbilisi, capital of Georgia. Those are grown from wild collected seeds, so are a little variable, but all keeps the reddish shade, so famous for this form." Mine is not as reddish, though the color didn't capture accurately.
Whew, haven't lost my mind . . . yet.
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Very beautiful blue ones, Dirk and John B (sorry I wrote JohnW in my last post).
The hybrids you're creating Dirk have those lovely combinations of colors which I find intriguing and beautiful. Keep up the good work.
And Dave, your 'White Caucausica' is lovely, too, with it's hint of blue.
It's wonderful to be in a place where I can finally grow them. They didn't like Alaska at all!
Jim
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I've been enjoying looking at everyone's beautiful flowers! :D
Iris winogradowii
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I've been enjoying looking at everyone's beautiful flowers! :D
Iris winogradowii
Wonderful Peppa. Not very easy over here, do you grow it outdoors?
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JimF, thank you for the clarification on the naming of I. reticulata caucasica (?). :) ;) :-\
We'll have to ask Janis when he gets back.
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I've been enjoying looking at everyone's beautiful flowers! :D
Iris winogradowii
Wonderful Peppa. Not very easy over here, do you grow it outdoors?
Thanks Wim! I grow them in the ground. For some reason I'm really bad at growing things in pots... I wish I could, becuase I would love to take them to show to my friends... :'(
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I've been enjoying looking at everyone's beautiful flowers! :D
Iris winogradowii
Wonderful Peppa. Not very easy over here, do you grow it outdoors?
Thanks Wim! I grow them in the ground. For some reason I'm really bad at growing things in pots... I wish I could, because I would love to take them to show to my friends... :'(
Don't worry Peppa, you are sharing your lovely plants with so many more friends here than you might even with the plants in pots! 8) :)
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Iris 'Frank Elder', my favourite of this group. I like 'Sheila Anne Germaney' but not 'Katharine Hodgkin'
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I have been looking envious at all these lovely Iris for a long time, while my garden was frozen.
At last it is spring here too:
Iris George
Iris Harmony
Iris Halkis
Iris Katarina Hodkin
Iris winogradowii
Poul
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Lovely display Poul, well worth waiting for.
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I sowed seed from Alan McMurtrie in Janauary 2006 - nothing germinated until january 2008. I am now seeing some flower for the first time.
Whilst nothing special I do like the one that bloomed this weekend
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I like it too Arthur.
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I have been looking envious at all these lovely Iris for a long time, while my garden was frozen.
At last it is spring here too:
Iris George
Iris Harmony
Iris Halkis
Iris Katarina Hodkin
Iris winogradowii
Poul
Very nice to see your Irisses are flowering now too...it's always nice to see spring beginning after waiting for it for a long time, sometimes this forum must be real torture for those who a living more to the north!
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I sowed seed from Alan McMurtrie in Janauary 2006 - nothing germinated until january 2008. I am now seeing some flower for the first time.
Whilst nothing special I do like the one that bloomed this weekend
I like it too Arthur.
So do I, Arthur!
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I sowed seed from Alan McMurtrie in Janauary 2006 - nothing germinated until january 2008. I am now seeing some flower for the first time.
Whilst nothing special I do like the one that bloomed this weekend
I like it too Arthur.
So do I, Arthur!
... and me !! :D
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I have been looking envious at all these lovely Iris for a long time, while my garden was frozen.
At last it is spring here too:
Iris George
Iris Harmony
Iris Halkis
Iris Katarina Hodkin
Iris winogradowii
Poul
Very nice to see your Irisses are flowering now too...it's always nice to see spring beginning after waiting for it for a long time, sometimes this forum must be real torture for those who a living more to the north!
Thank you Wim. Yes, sometimes it seems that spring never comes. Luckily it is the opposite in the autumn. My autumn bulbs are often ahead of those growing in the south.
Poul
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Five days ago I opened my greenhouse from winter cover. Here first reticulatas - mostly Alan's hybrids, but a pair of wild species, too.
As allways the first comes up Iris hyrcana - here from Talish in Aserbaijan, but from Iran side blooms, too.
Unfortunately this winter I lost from rot I. histrio from Syria collected there by Arnis - all pot rotted, but seem that seedlings in another pot alive. Here picture from Jim Archibald's plants collected near Hatay (Syria) and grown up here from seeds.
Janis
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Iris zagrica, blue form in flower today
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and here the purple form from Iris zagrica
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Beautiful Dirk.
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When can one expect to see a flower on a seedling?
Is it like erythroniums which must have two leaves?
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'Katherine Hodgkin' here in the high desert of northern New Mexico - photos taken just now.
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Very nice Tom, I'd have expected them earlier in your neck of the woods?
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Hi David - no, this is about right for the open (unsheltered) garden here. median and arilbred irises bloom in April, tall bearded in May, average last frost around May 10.
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Ah! I see Tom, you're Zone 6. I always thought New Mexico would be hot and dry.
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It is dry here (25 cm average annual rainfall) and hot in summer, but we are at a high elevation (2000 m), so we get serious cold in winter, and it takes quite a while to warm up in spring.
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Part of Iris reticulata bed today and some reticulatas of today (2 entries)
Janis.
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Most likely Iris zagrica and I. reticulata subsp. kurdica
Janis
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Nice Retics, Janis! Especially the Iris McM 98-OO-2 have a good colour. Is this similar Iris 'Coffee Brown' ?
Here the best white form, Iris reticulata 'White Caucasus'
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I still don't rate Iris retic. 'White Caucasus' as a white, it always has a blue tinge to it. Very nice clump though Dirk and very well grown.
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Various Iris reticulata from Iran.
Janis
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Iris zagrica with a wither flower.
For this species typically which snaps blossom and drops. With Iris reticulata the blossom dries up and remains with the seedcapsule.
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Janis, I love Mcm 98-00-2. Here is my Winogradowii.
John B
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Here still reticulatas in full bloom.
At first three Iris reticulata from Caucas:
Purest white which I got from Zhirair
Reported as white - White Caucasus - really slightly bluish, but good enough, may be slightly lighter than Natasha but of better form. As Alan wrote me that it is purest white, I suppose that it was multiplied in laboratory by meristem culture and so it lost its whitness
The very light blue - another got from Zhirair
All three are good growers
And in addition one reticulata from Iran (WHIR-133) and
very typical Iris zagrica.
As last in this entry the very best I. histrioides from Soganli pass (very rare there).
Janis
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In this entry two pictures of Iris kolpakowskiana. The first I grow up from seeds baught from Jan as collected in China, but I can’t find any note that Iris kolpakowskiana would be found in China. Really it looks as kolpakowskiana from around Tashkent - in W part of area. In direction to east it is replaced by another one - here you can see sample from Alma-Ata. Everywhere around Tashkent you will find only forms with white blotch on falls, but more to east it is replaced with plants marked yellow on falls. If Jan’s plant would have yellow blotch - I would be thinking that may be it enters somewhere China, but now I think that it is incorrect information.
Iris winkleri and pskemense always flowers much later. Now they have only buds. Weather is cold and so development is very slow.
Janis
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Iris bakeriana I baught from Dutch grower but it turned virus infected. I handpollinated those plants, isolated from rest of collection and got seeds. From those came up very typical plants and completely healthy. It is good way to recover infected species, unfortunately not allways they are fertile - in many cases virus infected junos and retics become sterile. Fortunately this was nice exception.
Next are three seedlings of Alan McMurtrie - one of them named - 'Orange Glow' at start of blooming. Unfortunately at 3-5 day of blooming orange shade pales to dark yellow, but in any case it is the first reticulata with orange in flower. Last of them I got without label.
Janis
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Superb Retic's Janis. Something I'll try to emulate in the years to come! ;D
Interesting I. kolpakowskiana ( the one from Jan ). I also cannot find any record of it ever being found in China. I did find a picture which appears to be the same flower ( taken by John Lonsdale and on the Pacific Bulb website ), but unfortunately no record of its origin.
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Janis, I am amazed at the variety of beautyful reticulata Irises you grow . I can only dream about them .
I managed to grow one I. kolpakowskiana from seed received from Jan which he states was collected in China - but you think it is not possible . here is a photo of mine ,but your photos are of a much superior quality .
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I remember that JJ list kolpakowskiana from 3 locations a few years ago, one of which was China. I ordered all three but of all the seeds I had in that order, only these irises failed to germinate.
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Janis, I am amazed at the variety of beautyful reticulata Irises you grow . I can only dream about them .
I managed to grow one I. kolpakowskiana from seed received from Jan which he states was collected in China - but you think it is not possible . here is a photo of mine ,but your photos are of a much superior quality .
Yours plant looks very interesting - I never before saw with almost none light blotch on falls. If mine would be such - I may be would accept that this is special Chinese form, but now I think that it is only marginal form from Tashkent district. I'm going in May to SE Kazahstan - the borderland with China, so will check - if there will found some kolpakowskiana - then I could agree that this Iris can enter China, but at present - it is very doubtful.
Janis
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Some Iris pskemense variation
Janis
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Few white and so named white reticulatas to compare
On first so named winogradowii Alba and reticulata NATASHA
On second in line from left to right - true reticulata ALBA from Armenia and light blue from Armenia (for both thanks to Zhirair) and WHITE CAUCASUS (almost white, but only almost...)
Janis
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Few more pictures of different I. kolpakowskiana and I. pskemense.
Janis
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These are really very beautiful plants Janis. 8) 8) 8). Are they any more difficult to grow than the I.reticulata forms?
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My I. ret. 'Natascha' is consistently much whiter than in your picture Janis. On the other hand, the second picture here is a seedling from Alan in Canada (I mean my plant from his seed) which started almost white in 2005/6/7 and has been light blue ever since! The photo was taken in 2005 when it first flowered.
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These are really very beautiful plants Janis. 8) 8) 8). Are they any more difficult to grow than the I.reticulata forms?
The short answer is "Yes."
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Oh that's disappointing :(. Thanks for saying anyway Lesley. :) ;) In what way?
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Well of course I'm saying so from no personal experience at all, never having had pskemense (and never likely to), and the 3 batches of seed I had from kolpakowskiana didn't produce even 1 seedling let alone a flowering plant. So I'm making a rash assumption, but the general availability of both suggests they are quite difficult whereas the retics for me at least, are easy enough, especially in the open garden.
No doubt Janis will give you a better answer. I suspect it would like comparing for difficulty, e.g. tall bearded iris and oncos. Skill is everything.
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Few more pictures of different I. kolpakowskiana and I. pskemense.
Janis
This I pskemense is such a colorful little thing - I really love it!
Janis, it's good to see how your stock is gradually recovering.
How long do you think will it take until you will be able to offer it again in your catalogue?
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Two of this year's new hybrids: 05-GQ-3 and 05-GI-1
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Welcome Alan, good to have you posting here. You do realise that you will have us all dribbling looking at your hybrids.
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A very warm welcome to the Forum Alan. We've enjoyed many of your fabulous hybrids through Janis's postings. It's great that you are joining in too. We love every one. :D
It seems these two new ones have just about done away with standards altogether. Is this a trend you are persuing or just an aberration which appears occasionally? I really love those earthy colours and the greens, especially.
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The answer is somewhat clear -- they are from <i>danfordiae</i> breeding. The smile is the Dutch grower I'm working with says my hybrids are "not finished" because most don't have standards; meaning normal standards.
From my point-of-view the standards don't matter. It's coming up with new colours and patterns that's most important.
It's been a long up hill battle to get to this point. Its frustrating seeing the Dutch grower rejecting some of what I consider to be my better hybrids. 'Spot On' should be available next year, and we may be able to start sales of 'White Caucasus' in earnest.
06-BD-2 is from <i>danfordiae</i> and has standards.
One "smile" is whites are easy. I've got them coming out my ears so-to-speak. Oh no, not another white! [or perhaps more accurately, white with blue accents, or white with green accents]. What is exciting with white, is white with orange [at this point the orange fades] as in 03-FQ-1. 05-GI-1 in my previous post has orange on the fall.
Below are 06-BD-1, 03-FQ-1, 03-FO-2, and 06-C-2
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I'm sorry but what is this all about please? What is the end result you are trying to accomplish? Aren't the species enough? Guess not?? ??? ???
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We've enjoyed many of your fabulous hybrids through Janis's postings. It's great that you are joining in too. We love every one.
Not the royal We Lesley?. You may have, I definitely haven't. Different strokes .... etc...
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Ron, given that the availability of good reticulata type species stock is very limited and the Dutch market is flooded with stock that can only be described as 'miffy' I for one welcome the chance to grow some exceedlingly good hybrids.
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Then very good for you David. 8) 8) 8) Enjoy.
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Janis, Dirk et al, have good species stock don't they????
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Ron, why are you so negative? Have you ever collected in the wild? Do you understand wild populations?
One reason for hybrids, is to create plants that are easier for the average person to grow. Species have their place, but hybrids can add a whole other dimension.
Do you understand the whole new world I have opened up, and am continuing to expand? Clearly you don't.
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Wearing my moderator's hat here:
Some posts have been edited or removed.
It is customary in this Forum for conversations to be carried on politely. No-one is asking everyone to agree with eachother all the time, but some decorum is expected, please.
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Welcome to the Forum Alan!
We have been following your great work for some time and were surprised to find you are just round the corner. ;)
Keep up the good work and we all look forward to your contributions as well as pictures of your ground-breaking work.
Wish you would send some rain eastward if you hear of any.
johnw
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Alan, when I mentioned a "trend" towards no standards, I'd forgotten about the danfordiae component in the hybrids. After all, we see it so rarely in NZ, poor quality Dutch stock which rarely lives more than a year and hasn't even been seen locally in the garden shops this year so maybe they've given up on it all together. Anyway, I liked that spidery flower. For the record, I love every one of your hybrids, every shape and colour and combo of colours. They're different and exciting to my mind. I wish our importing regulations made it easier to obtain them.
Ron, there was nothing "royal" about my use of the word "we." I meant we, the Forumists who enjoy reticulate irises. If you don't like these ones , ok, but Janis has shown a number of them in the last year or two and I don't think anyone has responded to his postings as you did to Alan's.
We all have our dislikes. I loathe the modern double daffodils and split centred ones and am happy to say so but I wouldn't condemn their breeders or those who want to grow them.
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Welcome Alan in this forum.
Ron, you handle with Alan quite hard!
Nevertheless, crossing and also selection from seedlings of free end of blooming is a little bit thus an interesting.
I cultivate the native species, but also the new and older crosses. The irises are nice everybody in her kind and should have her place in our gardens.
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Welcome to the forum Alan, great to have you posting here, that 05-GQ-3 is wonderful. I look forward to seeing more of your fantastic irises. ;D
Welcome Alan, good to have you posting here. You do realise that you will have us all dribbling looking at your hybrids.
You'll have to get a bib David. ;)
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This I pskemense is such a colorful little thing - I really love it!
Janis, it's good to see how your stock is gradually recovering.
How long do you think will it take until you will be able to offer it again in your catalogue?
If I will edit next catalogue may be I. pskemense will be included - but I will see this only after harvesting. Central |Asian reticulatas are very tricky to grow - good size bulbs quite often rot after harvesting. Just medium size is the best. It seem that from this CA quartet (kolpakowskiana 2 forms, pskemense and winkleri) pskemense is the easiest (best to increase). I checked my labels and found that some bloomed in third year after sawing of seeds (if they are sawn just after harvesting). The germination rate is the highest. Next are both kolpakowskianas and winkleri is the lasiest and with bad germination rate. Usually very few seeds germinate only and at present I have only 2 flowering size bulbs, one of them is blooming, another will open (I hope) tomorrow - then I will handpollinate them. In pots of previous years seds are only very few shoorts.
Janis
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Iris vartanii from last week - missed to take a picture by daylight. ::)
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lucky one!
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Iris vartanii from last week - missed to take a picture by daylight. ::)
Nice to see, Hans.
Does it usually flower at this time of year?
cheers
fermi
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Thanks Rafa and Fermi - it is just the second year they have flowering size - last year only one plant flowered (in november) - this year four , all in this month. Earwigs like the flowers very much...
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Beautiful Hans. Much nicer than the usual pale shade.
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Earwigs like the flowers very much...
:o
Hopefully they leave the pollen and stigmatic lip alone! ;D
In all the time since I first heard about this species (all of 4 or 5 years ago ::) ) I never realised that they flower at this time of year!
cheers
fermi
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Fermi , Igrew and flowered I vartanii some 30 years ago but lost it after a few years . The white form of it lasted afew years longer , but this too is now just memory . I. vartanii alba was available from Dutch nurseries , but I have not seen it listed fora long time .
I liked the pale blue ones that Oron photographed last year in the wild .
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For earwigs - margarine container or similar with some oil and Balsamic vinegar - so they can drown themselves. I used to use linseed oil but that is an expensive oil. I saw some containers with cooking oil and balsamic vinegar used last weekend.
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Many thanks for the comments and advice!
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Hopefully they leave the pollen and stigmatic lip alone! ;D
It was the first they ate. >:(
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My vartanii starts to bloom as well, i have two color forms pale grey-blue [in the photo], and a lavender colored form which is due to open in a few days.
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Beautiful photo Oron
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My reticulate Iris seem very early this year. Has anyone else noticed this?
I attach 2 photos of Iranian Iris = apologies for the slight blurring of the fall in the second Iris - low light is my excuse
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My reticulate Iris seem very early this year. Has anyone else noticed this?
I attach 2 photos of Iranian Iris = apologies for the slight blurring of the fall in the second Iris - low light is my excuse
:o Not at al Arthur....Are they now what they are doing ? ;D
Hopefully no heavy frost for the comming days ... ::)
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Thanks Pat.
Arthur, both are beautiful!!
Do you remember at what elevations they grow?
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Beautiful plants Oron and Arthur! :o
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A couple have been in flower here too Arthur ;) your pictures are much better that mine - I have low light and a poor camera...sory for the quality