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Title: Help with shrub please
Post by: Brian Ellis on April 08, 2012, 06:06:40 PM
At the Norfolk and Norwich Show Yesterday the class for four shrubs included this one - of course it was not named.  Several of the narcissi were NAS'd as they were not named Rule 17 (apparently). It is one I have not come across before and would love to grow.  Can anyone help with the identification please?  At first we thought it was some sort of ribes, but doesn't have the scent, the leaves look familiar...
Title: Re: Help with shrub please
Post by: Hoy on April 08, 2012, 06:12:06 PM
Looks like a Ribes x gordonianum to me ;)

...and you have one of the parents behind R odoratum I think.
Title: Re: Help with shrub please
Post by: Maggi Young on April 08, 2012, 06:29:19 PM
Read the history here....

http://www.rhs.org.uk/Plants/RHS-Publications/Journals/Hanburyana/Hanburyan-issues/Volume-5--June-2011/Ribes-%C3%97-beatonii,-the-original-name-for-Ribes-aure

 (N.B. The link looks incomplete, but it works)
Title: Re: Help with shrub please
Post by: mark smyth on April 08, 2012, 06:35:50 PM
It looks lovely. What size is it?
Title: Re: Help with shrub please
Post by: Maggi Young on April 08, 2012, 06:41:40 PM
Missouri says 3-5 ft with a spread of 4 to 6 ft :
http://www.missouribotanicalgarden.org/gardens-gardening/your-garden/plant-finder/plant-details/kc/c728/ribes-x-gordonianum.aspx
Title: Re: Help with shrub please
Post by: Brian Ellis on April 08, 2012, 06:48:58 PM
Cheers Trond, my goodness this forum is good!  ;D ;D

...and thanks of course, Maggi, most interesting 8)
Title: Re: Help with shrub please
Post by: Maggi Young on April 08, 2012, 07:03:10 PM
My pleasure, Brian.... I always think these little extra bits of info are interesting.  :)
Title: Re: Help with shrub please
Post by: Hoy on April 08, 2012, 07:18:16 PM
Cheers Trond, my goodness this forum is good!  ;D ;D

...and thanks of course, Maggi, most interesting 8)

I agree, Brian  ;)
 And I second the thanks to Maggi - interesting reading.
Title: Re: Help with shrub please
Post by: Michael J Campbell on May 09, 2012, 08:47:34 PM
Can anyone help with the identification of this shrub  please?
Title: Re: Help with shrub please
Post by: Richard Green on May 09, 2012, 09:01:09 PM
Sorry, back to the Ribes picture for just one second.  Brian, was there really a class for "a plate of beetroot" at the Norfolk and Norwich Show? 
Title: Re: Help with shrub please
Post by: Hoy on May 09, 2012, 09:07:43 PM
Michael, have you considered Rhaphiolepis indica?
Title: Re: Help with shrub please
Post by: Maggi Young on May 09, 2012, 09:15:36 PM
I agree you have the correct name, Hoy.

Some other Rhaphiolepis are shown here : http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=3639.msg97114#msg97114 (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=3639.msg97114#msg97114)  by Luit.  He later mentions that R. indica does not grow very well for him.... your brother doesn't seem to have that problem!
Title: Re: Help with shrub please
Post by: Michael J Campbell on May 09, 2012, 09:52:42 PM
Thanks Maggi and Hoy, I have passed the name to my brother. It appears to be growing well for him.
Title: Re: Help with shrub please
Post by: Lvandelft on May 09, 2012, 09:54:52 PM
I agree you have the correct name, Hoy.

Some other Rhaphiolepis are shown here : http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=3639.msg97114#msg97114 (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=3639.msg97114#msg97114)  by Luit.  He later mentions that R. indica does not grow very well for him.... your brother doesn't seem to have that problem!
At first I must point out that my pink Rhaphiolepis was not R. indica, but a so called "hardier"cross, R. x delacouri.
But alas the normal white Rhaphiolepis and the pink R. x delacouri both did not survive the severe winter with - 15C-18C, just above 10 cms. of snow. I left them still to see if they probably thrive, but until now no green points visible at all...  :(
Title: Re: Help with shrub please
Post by: Maggi Young on May 09, 2012, 10:02:38 PM
Oh, dear, a shame you have lost those, Luit.
Title: Re: Help with shrub please
Post by: Brian Ellis on May 10, 2012, 09:42:44 AM
Sorry, back to the Ribes picture for just one second.  Brian, was there really a class for "a plate of beetroot" at the Norfolk and Norwich Show?

Not exactly Richard the classes were

VEGETABLES
112 Three Onions.
113 Two Spring Cabbage, stalks cut to about 7.5cm.
114 One Cauliflower, stalk cut to about 7.5cm.
115 Three Potatoes.
116 Three sticks Rhubarb, natural.
117 Three sticks Rhubarb, forced.
118 Any other vegetables.

So it must have been in 118  :)
Title: Re: Help with shrub please
Post by: David King on May 10, 2012, 10:47:24 AM
Not exactly Richard the classes were

VEGETABLES
112 Three Onions.
113 Two Spring Cabbage, stalks cut to about 7.5cm.
114 One Cauliflower, stalk cut to about 7.5cm.
115 Three Potatoes.
116 Three sticks Rhubarb, natural.
117 Three sticks Rhubarb, forced.
118 Any other vegetables.

So it must have been in 118  :)

And they didn't get their photograph taken because they didn't get a first place.  In fact none of the vegetables did which is quite unusual in NNHS shows.
Title: Re: Help with shrub please
Post by: Richard Green on May 10, 2012, 09:14:52 PM
I had not realised that it was a NNHS show, but thought it was an new innovative class in an AGS show!
Title: Re: Help with shrub please
Post by: Brian Ellis on May 11, 2012, 09:39:15 AM
I had not realised that it was a NNHS show, but thought it was an new innovative class in an AGS show!

That'll be the day!  ;D ;D
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