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Author Topic: Stump removal  (Read 176 times)

Vinny 123

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Stump removal
« on: February 21, 2025, 06:02:41 PM »
A very large conifer was blown down here a while back and it is going to leave a correspondingly very large stump.
Back, half a lifetime ago, and more, there was a treatment that could be used to produce a very long smouldering burn of the stump. This was mentioned to me by a professional forester, and was "something" that was used to fill holes drilled into the stump and left to migrate through the stump, before lighting the blue touchpaper.

My memory says it was ammonium carbamate. Has anyone got a more definite recollection and, preferably, experience?

Potassium nitrate is suggested online, but I am unconvinced that, if applied and patience is exercised, a slow smoulder would result!!! But I am willing to be convinced otherwise.

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Re: Stump removal
« Reply #1 on: February 22, 2025, 05:09:50 PM »
Ammonium carbamate has been used as a weedkiller to kill trees, now longer permitted in the UK. It is also used as a fertiliser to speed up the decomposition of compost. Its chemical structure does not suggest it will promote burning or smouldering, you might do this with potassium nitrate or chlorate but you'll have to drill holes deep into the stump and keep it dry.

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Re: Stump removal
« Reply #2 on: February 23, 2025, 08:08:06 AM »
Thanks

Yes, the routine was to drill stumps, fill the holes and cover with a piece of slate or even plug the hole with clay if any was to hand. It took weeks to move through the stump, but what I was told was that eventually you could light the wood and it would smoulder gently for as long as it took to burn most of the stump out if you'd used enough oxidant and given it enough time. It was something like 35 years ago, so details of timing etc. are long forgotten.

Potassium nitrate is an obvious choice, even mentioned elsewhere online, but I want the stump to smoulder, burn slowly. I'd want comment from someone who has actually used the method.

Searching more online, ammonium carbamate is actually a fire supressant in some formulations. Both the carbamate and nitrate are compost accelerators as they provide nitrogen, as does urea, as the huge majority of compost heaps are defficient in nitrogen for bacteria to work as fast as they otherwise might.
I can't find any mention of carbamate being used as a herbicide/arboricide.

The carbamate would be exceedingly environmentally friendly as it readily decomposes to a mixture of ammonia, carbon dioxide and carbonates, so why it might be banned when the nitrate is not (it is actually an exceedingly common agricultural fertiliser).......

A very quick check on EPay and sodium chlorate isn't available, no surprise. Potassium nitrate very much is as it has uses in food prep', such as curing meats.
« Last Edit: February 23, 2025, 08:17:20 AM by Vinny 123 »

 


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