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Author Topic: not a Magnolia - it's a Clusia rosea  (Read 2537 times)

Hans J

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not a Magnolia - it's a Clusia rosea
« on: December 18, 2008, 08:16:46 AM »
Hi all ,

I have received this pics and this mail from a friend in South Africa -maybe anybody here on this forum can help with ID :

"This plant has been growing in my dad's garden since he bought the house when I was 3 or 4.  I will be 40 next year.  So that's over 35 years that the plant has been growing there.  When we arrived it was a 'norma' shrub size.  Now it is a large tree!
 
When we got there the previous owner told us that it was the only plant of its type growing on the Natal South Coast.  We were told it is a Magnolia Grandiflora.  I have often done research on it (booksinternet) and am quite sure it is FAR from a Magnolia Grandiflora.
 
Difficult to get a pic coz of windbees and the light.  (I had to run at one stage when I apparently upset the bee!).  It's a real 'bee magnet.  The flowers turn brown as it ages.  Don't you just love the green centre?  Since I was a kid I thought it looked like a yummy green sweetie!!
 
Idea's?
 
Each bloom is about 20cm in diameter.
 
Note the lovely bud.  Like a little ball...  very tight until the day before they open.
 
I was glad to go to my Dad's on Sunday as I knew they would be in flower and could get some pics.  There were only 2 white ones open.  Very highcould reach it properly to pick it!  Tried last December to take pics in roaring wind!  I do have pics of the brown flowers.  Will see if I can get to post them.  Amazing in that the flower is just as beautiful in form just browned."

Any ideas are welcome !

Thank you in advance
Hans
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Re: unknow Magnolia
« Reply #1 on: December 18, 2008, 09:15:24 AM »
Hans,

Do you have any photos of the leaves?  The flower just doesn't look right for a Magnolia to me.... the style setup is different to any Magnolia I have ever seen, by quite a big difference, but then again I haven't seen that many obscure Magnolias.  Also, the bud setup is different to any Magnolias I have seen before?  Hopefully someone else knows what it is as soon as they see it.
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Re: unknow Magnolia
« Reply #2 on: December 18, 2008, 09:20:11 AM »
Paul ,

thank you - I have asked my friend for more pics .

Hans
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Re: unknow Magnolia
« Reply #3 on: December 18, 2008, 11:39:31 AM »
Well, over 200 Magnolias to choose from, then there are the Michelias and the Manglietias......  ???

Is the tree evergreen?  What about Manglietia ?  I think the flower may have shed its anthers and so look a bit odd  ??? ??? :-\
 The Magnolia society site may be a help..... http://www.magnoliasociety.org/

http://www.magnoliasociety.org/classifications_ndx.html
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Re: unknow Magnolia
« Reply #4 on: December 18, 2008, 02:01:08 PM »
Hello Hans,

 The tree is not Magnolia. It is Clusia rosea, in the Clusiaceae. It is known as the Autograph tree, and several other common names.

 Aaron Floden
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Re: unknow Magnolia
« Reply #5 on: December 18, 2008, 02:09:24 PM »
Aaron, again you come straight to the rescue!  What a hero!  :D



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Re: unknow Magnolia
« Reply #6 on: December 18, 2008, 02:36:04 PM »
Hi all ,

Many thanks for the quick identifying of this plant .

I will tell now the solution my friend .

What a great source of information is possibly here in this forum - so much knowledge !

Again thanks
Hans
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Re: unknow Magnolia
« Reply #7 on: December 18, 2008, 02:56:47 PM »
Not Magnoliaceae. I forwarded the pix to Dick Figlar who may know the plant.

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Re: unknow Magnolia
« Reply #8 on: December 19, 2008, 11:57:26 AM »
Hi all ,

here are some pics more from my friend !

A big "Thank You" to all and special one for Aaron !
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