Proiphys

[Hans J]

Hi Maggi ,Paul + Jim ,

here are some pics from seeds of Proiphys cunninghamii :

http://www.srgc.org.uk/forum/index.php?topic=2141.msg69813#msg69813

please follow this topic - here is the progress from seeds to plants

Hans

[Maggi Young]

Hi Maggi ,Paul + Jim ,

here are some pics from seeds of Proiphys cunninghamii :

http://www.srgc.org.uk/forum/index.php?topic=2141.msg69813#msg69813

please follow this topic - here is the progress from seeds to plants

Hans

Well done Hans... I had forgotten this thread 

[Paul T]

And much better than my description.  It has been a few years since I messed with seeds of these, and I'd forgotten a lot apparently.    Maybe it is just senile dementia?

Obviously I was thinking more about Calostemma when describing them above, as I realisd when I saw Hans' pics and remembered the fully formed bulb already within the fruit by the time it is ripe.  I'd definitely forgotten that.  The big thing I remembered most from my original ones was that the inside and the outside of the fruit were the same colour (mine weren't red, yet germinated just fine) and there was little differentiation between the skin and the internal "seed"/"bulb".

Anyway, sorry for having got my descriptions wrong above.  Given responses since, I won't go back and change them.  The descriptions much more apply to Calostemma I think.  Sorry.

[Hans J]

Paul ,

I have just taken a pic from my Calostemma seeds

After my observation is a big difference between Calostemma and Proiphys seeds :
Calostemma seeds have not this fleshy skin like Proipys ...and in each fruit is only one seed .

This poor Calostemma seeds laying here on my desk without any soil since several weeks 

Hans

[Maggi Young]

This poor Calostemma seeds laying here on my desk without any soil since several weeks 

Hans

Hans!  I had no idea you could be so cruel ... those poor little seeds........  

[Hans J]

Maggi ,

I had this seeds offered in "seed exchange" ...but no great interest 

It is not a problem for seeds of some Amaryllidaceae to store the seeds on this way - after my expierience is it better to wait until the roots come out and than to plant it in soil ...much more safe as to put such seeds in wet soil where they rottet quickly !

Before some years I have received seeds of Calostemma from a PBS seed exchange ...they was in same situation - no problem !

Hans

[Maggi Young]

Learning a lot here today.. thanks!

[jshields]

The pod is different from the green growths inside.  I grew my present Proiphys cunninghamii plants from "seeds" kindly sent to me by a friend.  When the flowers set fruit, there are usually several small (ca. 1/2 inch) empty shells that turn orange and then fall off and shrivel up.  Sometimes there will be one or two fruits that grow larger (ca 1 inch) and when they turn orange will have a few shiny, solid green "seeds" inside.  These "seeds" will then sprout if left on the surface of moist potting mix.  My first pod this past season had several seeds as well as some amorphous solid growth that was rough, pale green to white, and which does not sprout.  The second pod fooled me -- it had neither seeds nor the amorphous growths; just air.

I doubt that the Proiphys seeds are true sexual seeds; I think they are vegetative growths or parthenogenetic structures.

Crinum fruits also sometimes have some of the amorphous non-sprouting growths as well as true seeds.  I'm really curious about these non-sprouting lumpy growths.  Anyone have any ideas?

Jim

[Paul T]

Paul ,

I have just taken a pic from my Calostemma seeds

After my observation is a big difference between Calostemma and Proiphys seeds :
Calostemma seeds have not this fleshy skin like Proipys ...and in each fruit is only one seed .

This poor Calostemma seeds laying here on my desk without any soil since several weeks 

Hans,

Yeah, as I said, my memory was incorrect.  Sorry again.

[Maggi Young]

Heck, Paul, if your memory wasn't a bit of we wouldn't have gone  over all this cool stuff about these seeds  

[Paul T]

Maggi,

It's just embarrassing.... my memory is usually closer than that!!   I think I shall have to read more than write for the next while.