Is this a fritillaria ?

[robg]

Labels are my nemesis, particularly with a tidy minded wife who sees a label and no plant and throws it away !

I've been through my records and am now wondering if it is something else.

Thanks
Rob

[Diane Clement]

Looks like Lilium nanum, Rob.

[arisaema]

How do you tell that species from L. oxypetalum?

[Diane Clement]

How do you tell that species from L. oxypetalum?

interesting question, it must be significant as L oxypetalum seems to have gone (back) into Nomocharis

[arisaema]

I thought that was an error in the Flora of China? L. o. v. insigne is certainly quite different from any form of Nomocharis aperta I know.

Edit: Scratch that, I'd really like to read the protologue for L. oxypetalum, if the plant shown on Paul Christian's web page match the type then it is most likely synonymous with N. aperta (or N. synaptica, if you prefer). To complicate things further the correct name for what is currently grown as N. aperta would then be N. oxypetala

Now what would that make L. oxypetalum v. insigne? 

[robg]

Many thanks guys - most likely L. Oxypetalum as I grew some from seed a few years back and this will be about the right time for it to mature and flower.  It's also planted amongst some other lilies so there is some logic to that.  

From a quick look at Google Images, the immediate difference between L. Oxypetalum and L.Nanum is that the latter has a dark throat to the flower and the petal colour is pure, whereas Oxypetalum has a yellow throat and the colour is speckled.  What would I suspect be more obscure is the difference between L. Oxypetalum and the var. Insigne.

Cheers
Rob

[Diane Clement]

I thought that was an error in the Flora of China? L. o. v. insigne is certainly quite different from any form of Nomocharis aperta I know.
... To complicate things further the correct name for what is currently grown as N. aperta would then be N. oxypetala
Now what would that make L. oxypetalum v. insigne? 

The Kew monocot list http://apps.kew.org/wcsp/namedetail.do?name_id=282267  has Nomocharis oxypetala as now correct, as does The Plant List http://www.theplantlist.org/tpl/record/kew-282267 .  Both throw v insigne in with the type. 
I can't find it at all in FOC    its not under Lilium or Nomocharis (or even Fritillaria  )

[arisaema]

I thought that was an error in the Flora of China? L. o. v. insigne is certainly quite different from any form of Nomocharis aperta I know.
... To complicate things further the correct name for what is currently grown as N. aperta would then be N. oxypetala
Now what would that make L. oxypetalum v. insigne?  

The Kew monocot list http://apps.kew.org/wcsp/namedetail.do?name_id=282267  has Nomocharis oxypetala as now correct, as does The Plant List http://www.theplantlist.org/tpl/record/kew-282267 .  Both throw v insigne in with the type.  
I can't find it at all in FOC    its not under Lilium or Nomocharis (or even Fritillaria   )

They've reduced it to Nomocharis aperta, look at the synonyms at the link above. It would make sense if the plant pictured by Paul Christian match the type, as it looks very close to the yellow-flowered form described from Manipur as Nomocharis synaptica.

[Diane Clement]

They've reduced it to Nomocharis aperta, look at the synonyms at the link above. It would make sense if the plant pictured by Paul Christian match the type, as it looks very close to the yellow-flowered form described from Manipur as Nomocharis synaptica.

Oh yes, I see it now, thanks.  What a confusion.  The yellow unspotted Paul Christian version is a very nice plant, whatever the name, shame it's out of stock 

[arisaema]

It does look really nice, I'm hoping he may get it back in stock this autumn. Ian Christie posted a similar-looking plant in the Lilium thread, and there's a couple of pictures on the web page The Genus Lilium.

[robg]

Tiresome these name changes - but at least I wasn't far from the mark I see in thinking initially that it was a Frit - it was once !!

Rob

[Lesley Cox]

In my experience from several different sources, Lilium nanum is quite a lot smaller in the flower than L. oxypetalum, about 3cms across and never widely open, rather than up to 8cms across and sometimes almost flat open. No doubt both vary. My nanums are always a deep plummy colour while oxypetalums are pale to deep pink, often washed with green.

[David Nicholson]

WOW! So my Lilium oxypetalum var. insigne is now a Nomocahris. I've grown a Nomocharis     WOW!!!!