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mark smyth

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two Alliums for IDing
« on: August 06, 2011, 06:48:54 PM »
does anyone know the names of these very small Alliums?
 Both are flowering now
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Re: two Alliums for IDing
« Reply #1 on: August 06, 2011, 06:50:42 PM »
a very floriferous brownish red flowered plant
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Re: two Alliums for IDing
« Reply #2 on: August 06, 2011, 08:23:15 PM »
I'm going to take my life in my hands and suggest that the second one is A. paniculatum   ;) ;D..... we'll see what those who really know their onions say!
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Re: two Alliums for IDing
« Reply #3 on: August 06, 2011, 10:37:25 PM »
Maggi you are so correct and Googling I think it's Allium paniculatum ssp. fuscum 'Jerry'
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Re: two Alliums for IDing
« Reply #4 on: August 11, 2011, 12:50:34 AM »
I'm going to take my life in my hands and suggest that the second one is A. paniculatum   ;) ;D..... we'll see what those who really know their onions say!

Maggi, I may need to hang up my Onion Man moniker and pass it along to you; you're getting darn good at Allium IDs! ;) ;D

Mark, your first little pink Allium looks like A. mairei, which has among its synonyms amabile, yunnanense, and pyrrhorrhizum... it still goes around in the seed lists as the first two names, particularly amabile.  It is a mid to late summer bloomer, so the timing is right.

The second one, I agree with maggi, is one of those dwarf red-flowered A. paniculatum forms.  The species is widely variable, and even with 4 subspecies (the reddish toned ones described as ssp. fuscum), I found that many can't be placed squarely within one subspecies or another.  The selection named 'Jerry' (by me) was for my friend Jerry John Flintoff.  Probably no way of telling if your plant is one and the same as the one I named 'Jerry' many years ago, I would suggest just referring to it as a A. paniculatum "dwarf red form".

Unfortunately, I know longer have this showy dwarf red form.  Mark S... may I please beg a pinch of seed if you manage to collect some.
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Re: two Alliums for IDing
« Reply #5 on: August 11, 2011, 09:24:26 AM »
thanks for the information and yes you can have seeds
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Re: two Alliums for IDing
« Reply #6 on: July 30, 2012, 06:06:42 PM »
Mark I forgot to gather seeds for you.

My plants are better than when given to me last year. My guess is they are too congested.

Last year and two from today
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Re: two Alliums for IDing
« Reply #7 on: August 06, 2012, 01:47:27 AM »
Mark, you taunt me with these really enticing red-flowered forms of Allium paniculatum.  Maybe seed next year.
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