Erodium IDs- the quest continues!

[Maggi Young]

John 85 and I are still puzzling over some Erodium  naming.
 E.petraeum subsp. crispum (syn. E. cheilanthifolium, E. trichomanifolium)

On the VRV site there are several pictures of E.p. crispum from Frankie Wulleman  ( pic borrowed below)
The leaves are gray.
http://www.vrvforum.be/forum/index.php?topic=1119.msg47058#msg47058      June 2013


Harvey Wrightman shows a plant with green leaves : http://www.wrightmanalpines.com/plant/erodium-petraeum-ssp-crispum


John says :
"But the leaves of the wild plant are green.
So I suspect it is a cross or a cultivar.
I bought the plant here in France under another false name and 'd like to know what it really is".

Some of the various plants are discussed by Panayoti Kelaidis Here: 
http://prairiebreak.blogspot.co.uk/2012/12/the-greatest-rock-garden-plants.html   
Monday, December 3, 2012      " The greatest rock garden plants? "
2 of PK's photos of Erodium petraeum



Pk pic of E. cheilanthifolium



We have touched on this species in some other forum threads -  to no great conclusion.
http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=6548.0
http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=4594.0
 
https://nargs.org/plant/erodium-petraeum-ssp-crispum    -  Lori's plants, I think

Internet searches of photos:
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=Erodium+petraeum+subsp.+crispum&client=firefox-a&hs=eFo&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=0uYVUu_RHemd0QWqyIHgCg&ved=0CC8QsAQ&biw=1016&bih=621
 
This came up in the forum as a  hybrid  that seems to answer the general description!
Erodium 'Natasha'
 https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=Erodium+%27Natasha%27&client=firefox-a&hs=ax8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=decVUp_rKuiu0AWO5oH4Dg&ved=0CC8QsAQ&biw=1016&bih=621
 
 Confused? We still are!

[TheOnionMan]

Each and every one is lovely though, that's what counts.