Cyclamen coum ssp. coum or ssp. caucasicum

[SJW]

Hi Steve I have a few young tubers of kuznetzovii, I was going to plant them out next spring, after reading you post I might just try one see how it goes.

I have the plain green leaf form of kuznetsovii (I also grow a silver-leaf form but I'm not sure if it is actually kuznetsovii).  There's a photo of kuznetsovii on the CS website and I see that it is described as coming from Crimea. I also have, grown from seed, a plant labelled as C. coum caucasicum ex. Crimea, but this has patterned leaves that are much paler green. I grow them in the greenhouse and haven't tried them outside, although mainly because they're the only ones I have.

[johnralphcarpenter]

I wonder how many subspecies of Cyclamen coum there are, or potential species. This is Cyclamen coum subsp. elegans, or possibly Cyclamen elegans. From Kurt Vickery, KV93, collected near Sari, Iran, 200m., 2001.

[Tony Willis]

I wonder how many subspecies of Cyclamen coum there are, or potential species. This is Cyclamen coum subsp. elegans, or possibly Cyclamen elegans. From Kurt Vickery, KV93, collected near Sari, Iran, 200m., 2001.

when you see them in the wild the variations are infinite but no doubt somebody will decide there are different species at some stage. Splitting seems to be the current fashion.

[johnstephen29]

Hi Ralph elegans is a species in it's own right now.

[johnralphcarpenter]

According to the Cyclamen Society website it is one of three subspecies of Cyclamen coum, along with subsp. coum and subsp. caucasicum. I'm no expert, and I'm not a lumper or splitter, having not seen them in the wild.

[johnstephen29]

Hi Ralph the society website is way out of date.

[Jörg]

Im Jahr 1968 sind auf einer Bildungsreise einige wenige Cyclamen coum aus dem Kaukasus ihren Weg in einen Garten gefunden. Ich durfte mir einiges aus dem Bestand entnehmen. Die Cyclamen variieren in der Blütenfarbe von fast weiß bis dunkerose.
Ich denke es müsste die ssp. caucasicum sein oder?

[Maggi Young]

Im Jahr 1968 sind auf einer Bildungsreise einige wenige Cyclamen coum aus dem Kaukasus ihren Weg in einen Garten gefunden. Ich durfte mir einiges aus dem Bestand entnehmen. Die Cyclamen variieren in der Blütenfarbe von fast weiß bis dunkerose.
Ich denke es müsste die ssp. caucasicum sein oder?

In 1968, a few Cyclamen coum from the Caucasus found their way into a garden on an educational journey. I was allowed to remove a lot from the stock. The Cyclamen vary in flower color from almost white to dark pink.
I think it must have the ssp. be caucasicum or ...  ?

[Jörg]

Thanks, I can not speak English. Will use the online translator in the future

[Maggi Young]

No problem, Jörg!  Thanks for the photos