Quick Juno question

[Alex]

Hi all,

Just to help me rationalise my labelling, can anyone tell me whether Iris baldschuanica is a valid name at all these days, or is this just I. nicolai? Certainly looks like it. If so, is it a particular population or origin of nicolai, or just an old name?

Finally, has I. nicolai itself properly been subsumed under I. rosenbachiana as just another of the many geographically named forms of this that one sees, or is it still separate?

Thank you for enlightenment!

Alex

[Diane Clement]

Just to help me rationalise my labelling, can anyone tell me whether Iris baldschuanica is a valid name at all these days, or is this just I. nicolai? Certainly looks like it. If so, is it a particular population or origin of nicolai, or just an old name?

According to the recent Kew monocot database, Iris baldschuanica is a valid name
http://apps.kew.org/wcsp/namedetail.do?accepted_id=321597&repSynonym_id=321597&name_id=341029&status=false
http://apps.kew.org/wcsp/namedetail.do?accepted_id=321597&repSynonym_id=-9998&name_id=321597&status=true

Finally, has I. nicolai itself properly been subsumed under I. rosenbachiana as just another of the many geographically named forms of this that one sees, or is it still separate? 

I. nicolai is a valid name
http://apps.kew.org/wcsp/namedetail.do?accepted_id=340054&repSynonym_id=322991&name_id=340054&status=true


And just for the sake of completeness, here's the whole genus
http://apps.kew.org/wcsp/qsearch.do;jsessionid=AB88877395155A2DFFE4D77FB4EC7F7A

[Hans A.]

Diane, thanks for this link - first time I see the name Iris kirkwoodiae instead of Iris kirkwoodii (not even mentioned as synonym) - I am really surprised...
http://apps.kew.org/wcsp/namedetail.do;jsessionid=AB88877395155A2DFFE4D77FB4EC7F7A?accepted_id=322009&repSynonym_id=-9998&name_id=322009&status=true

[Alex]

Belated thanks, Diane

[Yuri Pirogov]

Hans,
IPNI have no doubts of that name http://www.ipni.org/ipni/advPlantNameSearch.do;jsessionid=344EC76D94A1ABE67781E6C31E8FBEBA?find_family=&find_genus=iris&find_species=kirkwoodiae&find_infrafamily=&find_infragenus=&find_infraspecies=&find_authorAbbrev=&find_includePublicationAuthors=on&find_includePublicationAuthors=off&find_includeBasionymAuthors=on&find_includeBasionymAuthors=off&find_publicationTitle=&find_isAPNIRecord=on&find_isAPNIRecord=false&find_isGCIRecord=on&find_isGCIRecord=false&find_isIKRecord=on&find_isIKRecord=false&find_rankToReturn=all&output_format=normal&find_sortByFamily=on&find_sortByFamily=off&query_type=by_query&back_page=plantsearch

[Hans A.]

Thanks Yuri,
after all it is something strange to me- Brian Mathew for example used Iris kirkwoodii in his books (like all other books of different authors I know)- and also Mr. Shaukat Chaudhary (who described this species) told me he named it Iris kirkwoodii.

[Regelian]

Hans,

wouldn't that have to do with whether he named it for Mr. or Mrs. Kirkwood?  'ae' is the feminin ending.  Hmm.

[Maggi Young]

Hans,

wouldn't that have to do with whether he named it for Mr. or Mrs. Kirkwood?  'ae' is the feminin ending.  Hmm.

    IPNI and Kew have
kirkwoodii  as  Iris kirkwoodiae Chaudhary

[Otto Fauser]

Alex ,re your question on correct name for Iris baldshuanica . This species was collected by Paul Furse  (P.F. 8206 ) in Afghanistan in 1968 and has been maintained in cultivation in a few collections in England ever since . However it has been renamed in 2014 by Tony Hall & Arnis Seisum  Iris furseorum in "Curtis Botanical Mag. " , 2014 ,VOL. 31 ,page 249-259 , with a very beautiful botanical drawing by Joanna Langhorne.

    Please send me your email address and I will forward article and drawing to you ,  otto.

[Maggi Young]

Have seen a lovely photo from Johan Nilson  on F/book and  felt  I had to share it  here....

Johan Nilson

Iris furseorum - descibed in 2014 by Tony Hall and Arnis Seisums, from a specimen that Paul and Polly Furse collected in Afghanistan in 1966. This is a later generation of that same collection at Göteborgs botaniska trädgård.