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Great Moravian

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Aquilegia kuhistanica mismatch
« on: January 04, 2011, 03:45:01 PM »
The following might be Aquilegia sp. not identified.
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http://www.gardenworldimages.com/Details.aspx?ID=168972&TypeID=1&searchtype=&contributor=0&licenses=1,2&sort=REL&cdonly=False&mronly=False
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http://www.botanikfoto.com/de/details/akelei-aquilegia-kuhistanica-484274.php
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The following might be Aquilegia atrovinosa, sometimes incorrectly spelled Aquilegia atrovenosa, formerly involved in Aquilegia karelinii and still often identified so. Aquilegia karelinii sensu stricto is violet-flowered.
***http://olga--bond.narod.ru/Tian-Shan/Ala-Archa_Aquilegia_atrovenosa.JPG Aquilegia atrovinosa in Tien Shan by Olga Bondareva
***http://flower.onego.ru/other/enc_4139.jpg Aquilegia atrovinosa by Konstantin Aleksandrov
Superficially similar to Aquilegia atrata, but flowers short and broad and sexual organs not exserted.
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http://www.nargs.org/nargswiki/tiki-browse_image.php?imageId=1211
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http://www.edelbrandbrennerei.at/attachments/Image/Aquilegia_kuhistanica1.jpg

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The following might be Aquilegia lactiflora sensu amplo.
http://ptech.cocolog-nifty.com/blog/2010/05/aquilegia-kuhis.html



« Last Edit: January 06, 2011, 02:35:34 PM by Great Moravian »
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Re: Aquilegia kuhistanica mismatch
« Reply #1 on: January 05, 2011, 02:25:13 PM »
Growers of putative Aquilegia kuhistanica can add images
and information about the source of their plants.
« Last Edit: January 05, 2011, 02:27:35 PM by Great Moravian »
Josef N.
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Re: Aquilegia kuhistanica mismatch
« Reply #3 on: January 06, 2011, 11:20:36 AM »
McMark,

Aquilegia kuhistanica is a market invention and not a validly published binomial in my guess.
Why so different plants are denoted so is in stars.
I try to trace the original source in my request.
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Re: Aquilegia kuhistanica mismatch
« Reply #4 on: January 06, 2011, 12:31:36 PM »
I see that the likes of "B & TWorld Seeds" are selling something under the name  Aquilegia kuhistanica so the myth is gaining a wider audience by this means.

I see from Todd B's notes with the NARGS wiki photo that that plant was grown from Halda seed.... Todd wrote "Grown from Halda seed; probably just a selection of A. vulgaris".
Perhaps Mr Halda could enlighten you on the matter?
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Re: Aquilegia kuhistanica mismatch
« Reply #5 on: January 06, 2011, 01:11:28 PM »
Perhaps Mr Halda could enlighten you on the matter?
Maggi,
I wrote to Josef Jan Halda and am awaiting his reply.
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Re: Aquilegia kuhistanica mismatch
« Reply #6 on: January 06, 2011, 01:21:29 PM »
This year's SRGC seedlist has them listed.

434 kuhistanica

I have just received some from AGS, will be interesting to see how they turn out. :)
Helen Poirier , Australia

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Re: Aquilegia kuhistanica mismatch
« Reply #7 on: January 06, 2011, 01:43:53 PM »
So it does, Helen... I hadn't noticed that.... I'll contact Stuart Pawley to ask  how he came by the name...... :-\
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Re: Aquilegia kuhistanica mismatch
« Reply #8 on: January 06, 2011, 01:51:13 PM »
Good thinking, Maggi, will be great if you can get more information.
I also have them on my SRGC list  ;)
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Re: Aquilegia kuhistanica mismatch
« Reply #9 on: January 06, 2011, 03:38:08 PM »
I'm curious to know what Mr. Halda might say.  I wonder if the name might have been a locally applied one (without true botanical standing), there is some precedent for such dubious application of colloquial engineered names, or perhaps it was an Aquilegia collected in Kuhistan that expanded into "kuhistanica".

One thing I like to do on IPNI is to also search the species epithet with a wildcard for the genus, to see how often or vaild the species name might be, and where such names are used.  So, searching IPNI.ORG with * kuhistanica there are 4 plant species bearing that name.  As Maggi says, there is always a clue. :D

http://www.ipni.org/ipni/advPlantNameSearch.do?find_family=&find_genus=*&find_species=kuhistanica&find_infrafamily=&find_infragenus=&find_infraspecies=&find_authorAbbrev=&find_includePublicationAuthors=on&find_includePublicationAuthors=off&find_includeBasionymAuthors=on&find_includeBasionymAuthors=off&find_publicationTitle=&find_isAPNIRecord=on&find_isAPNIRecord=false&find_isGCIRecord=on&find_isGCIRecord=false&find_isIKRecord=on&find_isIKRecord=false&find_rankToReturn=all&output_format=normal&find_sortByFamily=on&find_sortByFamily=off&query_type=by_query&back_page=plantsearch

The place name "kuhistan" is interesting too, lots of variable spellings and possible locations.
http://www.ask.com/wiki/Kuhistan
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kohistan
http://www.enotes.com/topic/Kohistan
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Re: Aquilegia kuhistanica mismatch
« Reply #10 on: January 06, 2011, 03:56:53 PM »
Kuhistan means upper lands and in might refer to the mountains at the border between
Uzbekistan and Tajikistan.
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Re: Aquilegia kuhistanica mismatch
« Reply #11 on: January 07, 2011, 04:47:46 PM »
We have listed Aquilegia kuhistanica on the AGS seed list for the last two years.  The seed we have received has been labelled "ex Halda" and "ex Tadjikstan".  I had tried to find the publication details and I had drawn a blank.  I had seen Todd's picture of the plant here
http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/photo/2040432430103156031VlKWNk
although I now see this picture is the same as the one on the NARGS site.

The other useful reference that I kept was this
http://www.biologie.uni-ulm.de/cgi-bin/query_all/details.pl?id=63395&stufe=A&typ=PFL

Although I assumed that the name was invalid, I felt that I should still list it under this name, as I had no other name to give it.   

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Re: Aquilegia kuhistanica mismatch
« Reply #12 on: January 11, 2011, 02:14:47 PM »
Robert Nold agrees it is an invention.
http://mailman.science.uu.nl/pipermail/alpine-l/2011-January/034724.html
But who is its author. Either BG Gothenburg or Josef J. Halda or ...
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