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Eupogon??
« on: November 22, 2007, 07:32:13 PM »
Just been going through the Iris seed available on the SRGC Seed List and tracking down each species available on the Iris Species Database at http://www.badbear.com/signa/signa.pl?Introduction  in order that I could see what they actually looked like, when I came across the above Classification. I am well aware of 'Pogon' and 'Apogon' but I had not previously been aware of 'Eupogon' . If I were to guess I would say that this is a Classification to differentiate between (Eu)ropean pogons and others-am I right or am I wrong?
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Re: Eupogon??
« Reply #1 on: November 22, 2007, 09:21:33 PM »
I have no idea, David! Off to eat my chocolate teapot  ::)
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Re: Eupogon??
« Reply #2 on: November 22, 2007, 11:17:28 PM »
Quote from: David Nicholson on November 22, 2007, 07:32:13 PM
I am well aware of 'Pogon' and 'Apogon' but I had not previously been aware of 'Eupogon' . If I were to guess I would say that this is a Classification to differentiate between (Eu)ropean pogons and others-am I right or am I wrong?

Eu in this context is Greek for "true" so Eupogon means "true pogon" i.e. the true bearded irises
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Re: Eupogon??
« Reply #3 on: November 23, 2007, 06:30:15 AM »
Diane,

Does this mean that there are "false" bearded iris?  Or would that be referring to crested iris that sort of look like they have beards but only have the crest of petal material instead?
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Re: Eupogon??
« Reply #4 on: November 23, 2007, 08:00:33 AM »
Quote from: tyerman on November 23, 2007, 06:30:15 AM
Diane,

Does this mean that there are "false" bearded iris?  Or would that be referring to crested iris that sort of look like they have beards but only have the crest of petal material instead?

I'll kick off with the basics.
Iris, section Iris include Eupogons (true bearded), and the Pogons (bearded) which includes oncos and regelias - the beard in these cases is structurally different, but there are other more obvious differences, the oncos and regelias having seeds with "arils" (fleshy appendages) as anyone who has tried to germinate them will have seen (any successes on this front would be very gratefully received - Deno's recent article was fascinating on sowing fresh, but that doesn't help if the seed you have is dried). 

By the way, the crested irises don't count as bearded - they are in the non bearded section. 

Hope that helps the issue rather than clouding it!  I'm sure someone more knowledgeable than me on this topic will add to this.


 ??? Dunno where chocolate teapots fit in the classification, but Maggi will hopefully enlighten us  ;)

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Re: Eupogon??
« Reply #5 on: November 23, 2007, 09:07:13 AM »
Diane,

I realise that the cresteds don't count as beardeds (hence they're called crested rather than beardeds!  ;)), but they were the only thing I could come up with that might have been regarded as "false" beardeds if there were such a thing.  I didn't realise that the arils and oncos had a different structure to their beards.  Interesting!!

As to the teapot reference.... I'm assuming it was mentioned in another thread that I haven't caught up with as yet!!  ::)  Certainly makes the most sense to eat it, because if you brewed tea in it you'd be drinking the teapot once it melted.  ;D
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Re: Eupogon??
« Reply #6 on: November 23, 2007, 12:03:20 PM »
I am delighted to be enightened on this Eu matter.

re the teapot: I meant that since I didn't know the answer to the question then I was as much use as a chocolate teapot... i.e. useless... but if a chocolate teapot is around, I'm the one to eat it!! ::)
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Re: Eupogon??
« Reply #7 on: November 23, 2007, 12:22:33 PM »
Quote from: Maggi Young on November 23, 2007, 12:03:20 PM
re the teapot: I meant that since I didn't know the answer to the question then I was as much use as a chocolate teapot... i.e. useless... but if a chocolate teapot is around, I'm the one to eat it!! ::)

Riiiiight!!?  So which happy pills did you put in the tea in the imaginary chocolate teapot then Maggi?  They're obviously quite good, and I think it is rude of you not to share them with the rest of us!!  ;D


And NO, I had never heard the term "as much use as a chocolate teapot", which I'm assuming is in common use for you elsewhere on the planet?
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Re: Eupogon??
« Reply #8 on: November 23, 2007, 07:00:38 PM »
Thanks Diane for improving my Iris related education.

Paul, when I was small and failed to do something simple my Dad used to say 'you're as much good as a chocolate fireguard'.
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Re: Eupogon??
« Reply #9 on: November 23, 2007, 10:08:02 PM »
so what you guys are trying to tell me is that the UK has a chocolate fetish?  ??? ;D
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Re: Eupogon??
« Reply #10 on: November 25, 2007, 02:04:55 PM »
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so what you guys are trying to tell me is that the UK has a chocolate fetish?   
You didn't KNOW that?  8)
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Re: Eupogon??
« Reply #11 on: November 25, 2007, 10:25:27 PM »
Maggi,

well I knew that YOU did, I just didn't realise how widespread it was!!  :o

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Re: Eupogon??
« Reply #12 on: January 11, 2008, 09:05:40 PM »
Quote from: David Nicholson on November 22, 2007, 07:32:13 PM
Just been going through the Iris seed available on the SRGC Seed List and tracking down each species available on the Iris Species Database at http://www.badbear.com/signa/signa.pl?

David, thanks for this fantastic Iris database link... 8)
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Re: Eupogon??
« Reply #13 on: January 12, 2008, 01:45:50 PM »
I thank you also for that site, David!

It's great this Forum, isn't it, Miss Chocolate Teapot (eater)?  ;D ;D ;D
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« Reply #14 on: January 12, 2008, 01:51:44 PM »
Yes, another very useful link.

 Kata, I agree with you, though I may be biased :-X
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