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quote author=Hakone link=topic=10022.msg282205#msg282205 date=1376037539] Lilium leichtlinii var. maximowiczii Baker 1871
This is Lilium lancifolium Thunberg Göte
There is a lot of confusion and controversy about these two liliesLilium lancifolium was described on Japanese material by Thunberg 1784 and then (presumably on Chinese material) in 1810 by Ker-Gawler as L. tigrinum. Unfortunately Thunberg’s naming was overlooked until fairly recently and the species is still known as “the Tiger Lily”. All forms have black bulbils and the form most common in gardens is triploid and thus sterile. Some triploid strains are reported to be virus infected but look healthy so they pose a danger. Fortunately seeds of the diploid orange forms have been distributed through seed exchanges. Several of the orange coloured Asiatic lilies like LL. amabile, concolor, dauricum etc. have yellow sports. Also L. lancifolium has a yellow sport (Var flaviflorum Makino) which comes true from seed and is very beautiful and easy. There is also a double sport that has been in cultivation in Europe since at least 1870.A rather similar lily is found in East Asia but it differs in a number of ways (as observed by me in the garden).The habitus is more slender. The stem runs sideways underground before emerging. The stem is less dark. It is taller. The leaves are narrower, greyer in colour and less glossy. It has no bulbils. Its inflorescence is hairier in the bud stage. The inflorescence is narrower without any branching of pedicels whereas lancifolium pedicels occasionally branch. Lancifolium sometimes has the second bract sitting on the pedicel rather than at the base of the pedicel (All liliums have two bracts to the pedicel but sometimes one of them is halfway up). This lily usually has both bracts at the pedicel base. The flowers are smaller. It is later to flower. All these differences are, each in themselves, not very striking and there may be some variation within both species Not all differences are obvious in all specimen all years. However seen side by side, the difference between the two is very obvious. Also this lily exists as a yellow sport which is rare and not so easy in cultivation. The naming of this lily is really confused. In 1866 Regel named the orange form: Lilium maximowiczii. Unfortunately, the description was not published until 1888 – but then in two different publications. The yellow form was found in a consignment of other lily bulbs and Hooker named it L. lechtlinii November 1867. The name psudo-tigrinum was published by Carière for the orange form in the second half of December 1867 thus six weeks later than Hooker’s publication of the yellow form. The diagnosis is in French not Latin. A valid diagnosis had to be published in Latin so that name is invalid twice over.1872 Baker named the two varieties: L. lechlinii v. lechtlinii and L. lechlinii v. maximowiczii. My Japanese flora calls it Lilium lechtlinii var. tigrinum and kooniyuri コオニユリ(=small tiger lily). I do not know whether this is a local variant or a different name on the same taxon.Obviously, with a naming history like this, misnaming is bound to occur. Unscrupulous bulb merchants will call anything orange they want to get rid of ‘tiger Lily’. The triploid lancifolium is of course sterile but there might be hybrids between diploid L. lancifolium and L. L. v. maximowiczii that confuse the issue. Also someone who has only seen one of the two and has to work out the name using a book, may have difficulties. Personally I would prefer to call it Lilium maximowiczii and regard the yellow as var. flaviflorum. We do this with other orange lilies with yellow sports. The present situation is a tail wagging a dog.Göte
Welcome Fleurdelys! I believe I can almost smell the fragrance of that beautiful pot of lilies - they look fragrant!
Hello Fleur de lis, Yes, wallichianum should do very well with you. It flowers late, in october/november and as you must have quite a long growing season they should flower well with you. They also do not mind heat, and will also grow in sun as long as the roots can be shaded. I have one very large specimen doing well in a huge pot that gets full sun from about 10 am to 5 or 6 pm. Wenshanense needs more shade and cooler conditions, so it may be a bit trickier with you. You could also try the USA hybrids, bred in oregon for resistance to heat, disease and cold. I have them in a sunny border in which they thrive (also under our 35°c summer this year, although the flower colour will be a bit fainter in full sun.) Hybrids such as anastasia and rococco are very good, as well as silk road.I would recommend also 2 indestructibles, black beauty and sherehzade, also bred in the USA and very resistant. You could also try some turkish sp, such as monadelphum, svitzianum and cilliatum, which stand heat fairly well.I can e mail you some images if you want of some of the hybrids, and species, i also have some other lilium images here on my website : http://pontuswallstenplants.smugmug.com/Flowers/autumn-2010-plant-catalogue/12188653_LcvHNF#!i=1911132357&k=qnr3Q55Pontus
