Fritillaria 2013

[Maggi Young]

I'm thinking it might be another assyriaca - nice but not special.

Oh, it might be that............ I have a feeling that Ian thinks I define anything as pinardii if it is that sort of colour 

[Maggi Young]

Quote from: ronm on February 20, 2013, 06:42:16 PM

    Did you ever establish its identity Arthur?

assyriaca

You came down on assyriaca for the brown one Art, but what about the yellow one?
And to which is Ron referring ?

- this was the first query

- this was the second

[art600]

Not sure how my Fritillarias came to be on John's Galanthus Blog, but the answer is BOTH are assyriaca.

I partcularly like the 'yellow' one.

[Maggi Young]

John posted a pic of the yellow one in his Galanthus blog, Art - I've moved our latest two posts here- in case anyone else was a confused as I am!

[Tony Willis]

A tiny little frit from Japan.

Fritillaria amabilis

[Gerry Webster]

Very nice Tony & rarely seen; I'm told it is difficult to grow.

[art600]

Excellent plant Tony - rarely seen in the UK

[Maggi Young]

A tiny little frit from Japan.

Fritillaria amabilis

If the sun shines again tomorrow, Tony, might you try to get a photo of its 'inner' for us?

[Tony Willis]

Fritillaria sp nova (poluninii?) one from Iran a gift from Arthur

[Gerry Webster]

Very interesting to see this Tony. I've just looked at the account by Rix in Kew Bulletin 29 [4], (1974) which makes me wonder whether it might be subsp hakkarensis rather than subsp. poluninii. The latter is stated to lack the black spot at the base of the nectary & the flowers are said to be "hardly tessellated.

[arillady]

What a gem Tony - love it.

[art600]

Tony

You must be having a heatwave - my spec. nova has only just emerged    Beautifully grown

[Tony Willis]

Arthur glad you are pleased with it. I will deal with the easy bit first,my weather. It has been dry and on some days sunny and the temperature range in that greenhouse on one day was -2c in the morning to +14.5 c in the afternoon.

I have been sent the description of F. poluninii by Ron who also favours hakkarensis and have looked at the various features and  it does not fit poluninii.

On this plant the nectary length is far too long,it is clearly tessellated, and it has black spots at the base of the nectaries.

I took it to Dunblane in 2011 where it was definitely identified as poluninii!!

Maybe they are both variable and just merge into one another.

Seedlings sown 2011 have just emerged for their second year.

[art600]

It was found a long way from Hakkari

When I think of all the green and brown frits given specific names, it seems strange that people are trying to fit this quite distinct frit into an existing one 

I will post mine when it flowers

[Ian Y]

Here for comparison is the plant that I raised as Fritillaria poluninii without going into any sub specific level.


Describing a species from a single or limited number of pressed specimens will never reflect the true diversity displayed in may populations. The only way to understand what is going on in plants is for extensive field botany studying a wide population with all its diversity. It may then become evident that while you have two apparently different individuals there is a continuous variation in between.
 
Having seen the variation in a species I get from a single seed pot I would fall into the lumper rather than the splitter camp.


I should add these pictures are from last year the plant is not up yet.