Fritillaria 2013

[krisderaeymaeker]

Kris - the first one looks like F. amana (or, if you prefer, F. hermonis amana).

Thanks for the rectification Gerry ! It seems I get a wrong one once more ....
I get the same reaction on our Flemish forum        http://www.vrvforum.be/forum/index.php?topic=1048.20

[ashley]

Very handsome Ashley. It looks indistinguishable from F. kotschyana,  but then some people think that the two are the same thing.

Thanks Gerry.  It came to me as F. kotschyana ssp. grandiflora but now seems to have been raised to species level, on what basis I don't know.

A nice brown and green one! Pretty markings.

I'd say it's more a green and brown one Anne although Mark will accuse me of splitting

[Mark Griffiths]

 Well yes. And I am watching. And taking names. 

[Gerry Webster]

Thanks Gerry.  It came to me as F. kotschyana ssp. grandiflora but now seems to have been raised to species level, on what basis I don't know.

Ashley -  Flora of the USSSR (1935) has two distinct sp. kotschyana & grandiflora. Rix (1974) regards them as two subsp. of kotschyana but points out that subsp. grandiflora is  known only from the type collection made at Lerik in 1919 1915. As usually seen, subsp. grandiflora has very dark, uniformly purple-brown flowers & was introduced into the UK from the Moscow Botanic Garden by Rix.

I recall hearing Bob Wallis some years ago express the opinion that the two were identical based (I think) on the fact that some seedlings of grandiflora were indistinguishable from kotschyana.

[Janis Ruksans]

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[Gerry Webster]

Ashley - more thoughts on your plant.
PF 3520 is listed in Ruksan's new catalogue ( http://rarebulbs.lv) as F. kotschyana grandiflora from Iran though no information is provided on the origin of the name or how it differs from F. kotschyana subsp. kotschyana (Rix). As I noted above F. grandiflora (USSR)/ F. kotschyana subsp. grandiflora (Rix) comes from Lerik which is in Azerbaijan. Although Paul Furse travelled widely in Iran ( including the far north), to the best of my knowledge he never visited Azerbaijan.

[ashley]

Much obliged for this information Gerry.  Mine came from Janis but looks much more like what’s shown as kotschyana SLIZE-068 on his website.  Probably it’s best to leave it at just kotschyana then.

From today you can see my home-page on  http://rarebulbs.lv

Congratulations Janis; this looks excellent

[Gerry Webster]

Ashley - Yet more on your plant following a literature search.

I suspect that 'PF 3520' is a misprint/typo for PF 2530. This is mentioned  (along with PF 2529) by Rix,  under F. kotschyana subsp. kotschyana, as referring to  collections made in Iran: "Gachi-i-Sar, 2700m, steep slopes & among large Rumex sp., 8 June 1962" (Rix, 1974 Kew Bull. 29 [4].

Furse himself refers to PF 2529 in his article 'Iran & Turkey, 1962"  in the RHS Journal (p166) where he calls it F. crassifolia  - the usual name for this group in the 60s - & states " with much variation".

[ashley]

Excellent detective work Gerry.  Again my thanks.
What a great community and source of information this forum is

[ebbie]

My Fritillaria bucharica in bloom.

[pehe]

Flowering today:

Fritillaria persica
Fritillaria bucharica
Fritillaria conica

Poul

[Arda Takan]

Thanks to Robert Wallis of Fritilaria Group. He identified my frits as Fritillaria fleischeriana

[Tony Willis]

Some out today

Fritillaria obliqua a bulb from Pilous
Fritillaria crassifolia from Hosap Turkey
Fritillaria  aurea from Pinarbasi Turkey

[Janis Ruksans]

Arda, I agree, it is fleischeriana.

From my collection
Fritillaria raddeana - grown in greenhouse. Tired to worry about night frosts in open garden, although in greenhouse it don't feel very well - it is too hot.
Fritillaria strausii and volunteer in pollination
Two alburyanas - from Kop Gec - very light pink, more traditionally looking
- and purple one LST-234 which by my opinion must be regarded as dfifferent
and as last - Fritillaria bucharica

[Gerry Webster]

Fritillaria crassifolia subsp. crassifolia   

From a collection by Bob & Rannveig Wallis (RRW92134). Turkey, nr Kahramanmaras, Maras to Kozludere, E of Kalafari; 1390 -1600m, limestone scree.

Listed by JJA as 493 307.

Said to grow to a height of 6cm in the wild but here  it is  12cm