Paeonia 2013

[Hendrik Van Bogaert]

After a long, long winter, here in my Belgium garden the first paeony:
P. coriacea ssp. maroccana, grown from Archibald seeds.
Herewith the original text from his catalogue:
PAEONIA CORIACEA var. MAROCCANA (P.c. var. atlantica): Morocco. No further data. Ex a M. Salmon coll. A spectacular feature of the cedar-forest of the Middle Atlas mountains. Smooth foliage & large rose-pink flowers. Not always easy outside in the UK. Absolutely temperature hardy but seems to miss the cold winters & warm, dry summers.
Origin: 746.409 – JJA SEEDS 2008

Indeed, absolutely hardy, but during summer protected by glasses against to much rain (bulb frame cultivation).
Enjoy!
Hendrik

[Maggi Young]

Beautiful paeony - well worth the effort to give protection against summer wet  ( a problem we know too well here in Aberdeen!

I will copy your photo to the Archibald archive section 

[Matt]

Great mature plant Hendrik all the features of true P. coriacea....you are a fantastic grower!...and yes with approx. 2 weeks delay compared to a "normal" season.

My plant is also from Morocco but apparently is should be called Paeonia coriacea only...without any subspecies specification. I know that you copied the name given by the Archibalds (the Ueber Gurus!)...but it seems that "ssp. maroccana" is redundant as the plants in Spain are the same as the plants in Morocco. It also seems that "ssp. atlantica" (as in Stern "Study of the Genus Paeonia" 1946) is actually wrong for the Moroccan plants as Stern was describing under this name the plants growing in Algeria with leaflets bigger than the Spanish & Moroccan plants and pubescent underneath (main difference!). Stern' s Paeonia coriacea ssp. atlantica has now a species status that is Paeonia algerensis.
Swiss Lukas posted on this forum very interesting pics of it in 2011. His plant is a division from the peony garden at Waedenswil Hochschule...no idea where they got the seeds from...do you know anything about it Lukas?
...sorry Maggi...how do I copy a link of a single post?
Paeonia 2011 topic:
March 27, 2011   http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=6964.msg194278#msg194278
April 20, 2011    http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=6964.msg198231#msg198231
April 21, 2011    http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=6964.msg198366#msg198366

M.


Edit by maggi : I have added the links to the individual posts mentioned above.
Two ways to do this: ONE-  right click on the subject line above the desired post  to copy link location to paste in your post  or TWO  left click on the subject line  and then copy the url from the address line in your browser......

Example: OE:
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http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=6964.msg198366#msg198366

[Maggi Young]

Hi Matt, see the edits I have made to your post above...... 

[astragalus]

Paeonia mlokowitschii is starting.  This peony is beautiful at all times, even when the foliage is just developing.

[Hendrik Van Bogaert]

Great mature plant Hendrik all the features of true P. coriacea....you are a fantastic grower!...and yes with approx. 2 weeks delay compared to a "normal" season.

My plant is also from Morocco but apparently is should be called Paeonia coriacea only...without any subspecies specification. I know that you copied the name given by the Archibalds (the Ueber Gurus!)...but it seems that "ssp. maroccana" is redundant as the plants in Spain are the same as the plants in Morocco. It also seems that "ssp. atlantica" (as in Stern "Study of the Genus Paeonia" 1946) is actually wrong for the Moroccan plants as Stern was describing under this name the plants growing in Algeria with leaflets bigger than the Spanish & Moroccan plants and pubescent underneath (main difference!). Stern' s Paeonia coriacea ssp. atlantica has now a species status that is Paeonia algerensis.
Swiss Lukas posted on this forum very interesting pics of it in 2011. His plant is a division from the peony garden at Waedenswil Hochschule...no idea where they got the seeds from...do you know anything about it Lukas?
...sorry Maggi...how do I copy a link of a single post?
Paeonia 2011 topic:
March 27, 2011   http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=6964.msg194278#msg194278
April 20, 2011    http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=6964.msg198231#msg198231
April 21, 2011    http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=6964.msg198366#msg198366

M.


Edit by maggi : I have added the links to the individual posts mentioned above.
Two ways to do this: ONE-  right click on the subject line above the desired post  to copy link location to paste in your post  or TWO  left click on the subject line  and then copy the url from the address line in your browser......

Example: OE:
 Re: Paeonia 2011 Right click here to copy link location to paste in your post
« Reply #107 on: April 21, 2011, 06:46:42 PM »

OR TWO:

 Re: Paeonia 2011 - Left click here to see link in browser address bar
« Reply #107 on: April 21, 2011, 06:46:42 PM »


 
http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=6964.msg198366#msg198366

Thank you Matt.
It's indeed a very nice plant; I think I'm not a bad grower (after 45 years of plant cultivation...), but you can never achieve nice peonies on sandy soils; I'm happy to have here a good, fertile sandy loam...that's helps a lot!
I agree completely with your remarks about the name; ssp. marrocano isn't valid. I remember me the P. algerensis from Swiss Lukas; a very desirable species that I lack in my collection; I know nobody who can offer it, even seeds are unobtainable; probably I must go one day to Algeria!
Within a few days I will post pictures of another, much smaller P. coriacea (with bluish leaves); unfortunately I don't remember the origin.
Best wishes
Hendrik.
 

[Hendrik Van Bogaert]

Paeonia mlokowitschii is starting.  This peony is beautiful at all times, even when the foliage is just developing.

I agree completely with you Astragalus!
A good yellow mloko is a wonderful sight...
Hendrik

[Garden Prince]

A good yellow mloko is a wonderful sight...
Hendrik

Its flowers should last a little bit longer! With me the flowers last about a week which in my opinion is too short.

[Thomas Seiler]

Here comes my first peony of the year, which I bought as Paeonia russoi var. reverchonii, which is now - according to Hong De-Yuan - P. corsica, though P. morisii might be the better name ... 

[Gail]

I've been away in Manchester for a week and a lot seems to have been happening on the forum while my back was turned. Some lovely peonies (and the tulips Matt!).

Where did you get your P. emodi from? Here in Europe it seems very difficult to get the true species...many nurseries sell here the Early-Late Windflower hybrids as P. emodi. I am still looking for the true species!
The huge plant at Kew in the Order Beds labelled as P. emodi is in fact one of the Windflower (it comes from Stern's garden at Highdown)...and I suspect that the big plant in Cambridge BG is also from Highdown (Gail...have you got pics of it?).
The plants at Kew in the south "Asia" end of the Rock Garden should be the true species and so should be the plant in Berlin-Dahlem BG (shown in the attached pic).
The main feature of true P. emodi is the single carpel.

M.

Thanks Maggi for finding the link to the Cambridge plant.
I'm not sure you can ever say that carpel number is ever 100% reliable as a feature, individual plants do vary from year to year.
I have true emodi from a Chris Chadwell collection (may be big enough to split this year) and a ? early/late windflower from Paul Christian.
I'll post some pictures as they come into flower. 

[Irm]

I have also an early windflower and a late windflower (both buyed as P.emodii). Now I've got a right plant, two years old, I hope, it will be in flower next year 

[illingworth]

Matt wrote earlier that

>>The main feature of true P. emodi is the single carpel.<<

Attached is a photo of what we grow as P. emodi. Mclewen seed from 15 years ago

Does its carpel  pass the test or do I need to take the flower apart?

-Rob

[Thomas Seiler]

Well, I see just one carpel ...  If this is not an exception and the other flowers do also produce just one it should be true P. emodi. Will McLewin is always a very reliable source if you got it from him.

[Maggi Young]

Trichiotinus (Hairy Flower Scarab)

"hairy flower scarab" is just  a great name, isn't it?

[Matt]

Matt wrote earlier that

>>The main feature of true P. emodi is the single carpel.<<

Attached is a photo of what we grow as P. emodi. Mclewen seed from 15 years ago

Does its carpel  pass the test or do I need to take the flower apart?

-Rob

Hi Rob

If all flowers on your plant are like the one in the pic...It should be right!
However if you got it from Will - as Thomas says - it is likely the plant is true to name.

M.