Tulipa from Crete

[Gerdk]

Here are pics of a tulip from Crete (Tripti mountains) which I received as Tulipa cretica, which it is probably not.
I guess it would be Tulipa saxatilis - am I right?

Gerd

[olegKon]

We should wait for the opinion of tulip pundits in the forum, but I would not say it is Tulipa saxatilis. To my mind it is Tulipa cretica or at least it looks very similar to the plant I have with the name.

[Maggi Young]

I agree, Oleg.
Here are some links :
http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=361.15 - here we can clearly see the exterior of the flowers - just like Gerd's


http://www.srgc.org.uk/bulblog/log2008/190308/log.html

http://www.srgc.org.uk/logs/logdir/2009Apr081239185411BULB_LOG_1409.pdf

[LucS]

It's tulipa cretica for me.

[Hendrik Van Bogaert]

It's tulipa cretica for me.

For me too Tulipa cretica; leaves of saxatilis are much broader
Hendrik

[Gerdk]

Thank you alltogether for your replies!
I have to admit that I have some doubts concerning the identification as Tulipa cretica -
please have a look at the additional pictures below - the first one is 'cretica' for sure - collected
near the sea in Crete. This plant is much different. Is it possible that either the other plant is a hybrid
or 'cretica' has a wide variation.

I am very curious about further replies!

Gerd

[Anthony Darby]

Perhaps mountain and sea level ecotypes are different?

[Julia]

I have seen Tulipa cretica growing wild in Crete and it looks very much like your pictures.
I have also seen Tulipa saxtilis in one of the gorges and it is a much pinker

[Gerdk]

Thanks for replies!
So - what should I write on the label? 

Gerd

[Armin]

Gerd,
very interesting differences in the appearance. The one growing in the garden looks like typical T. cretica.
The 'true one' with broad leaves - perhaps a cross with T. bakeri?

I found an interesting article (in german language) about crete tulips http://www.kreta-umweltforum.de/Merkblaetter/288-09%20Tulpen.pdf

[krisderaeymaeker]

Thank you alltogether for your replies!
I have to admit that I have some doubts concerning the identification as Tulipa cretica -
please have a look at the additional pictures below - the first one is 'cretica' for sure - collected
near the sea in Crete. This plant is much different. Is it possible that either the other plant is a hybrid
or 'cretica' has a wide variation.
I am very curious about further replies!
Gerd

Hi Gerd , for me both are Tulipa cretica . There is much variation in the wild to   ....Sometimes we did find very tiny plants wich are growing on scree and very stony slopes .On the other hand we did find much larger plants when they are growing (almost together)in richer places (grasland along streams) In the eastern parts of Crete  they did find a form with broader leafs.
I think on the Omalos there is a natural hybrid with saxatilis ?
Could post some pictures (of the variation in the wild) the forthcoming days if this could help you ?

[Gerdk]

Gerd,
very interesting differences in the appearance. The one growing in the garden looks like typical T. cretica.
The 'true one' with broad leaves - perhaps a cross with T. bakeri?

I found an interesting article (in german language) about crete tulips http://www.kreta-umweltforum.de/Merkblaetter/288-09%20Tulpen.pdf

Thank you Armin -  the photos in your article convinced me - Tulipa cretica!

Hi Gerd , for me both are Tulipa cretica . There is much variation in the wild to   ....Sometimes we did find very tiny plants wich are growing on scree and very stony slopes .On the other hand we did find much larger plants when they are growing (almost together)in richer places (grasland along streams) In the eastern parts of Crete  they did find a form with broader leafs.
I think on the Omalos there is a natural hybrid with saxatilis ?
Could post some pictures (of the variation in the wild) the forthcoming days if this could help you ?

Kris, see my answer above!  Label (cretica) already was written.   
But please - I would be delighted if you'll send some pics nevertheless!

Gerd