Podophyllum 2013

[Stephen Vella]

Robin,

 this is the leaf of the versipelle x emodi in question. I can only quess that emodi would be the pollin onto versipelle as written on label.


cheers
Stephen

[johnw]

Stephen  - Is it the lighting or do I really see darker green patches on those leaves?

johnw    - first very light frost at 2am.

[Stephen Vella]

John theres no dark patches just the lighting but the leaf did come up with a reddish tinge, I wish I took the pick then and now thinking versipelle allways comes up green?

Reading about emodi, can they really get big leaves, ive only seen them as big as the palm of my hand. This hybrid looks biger than that.

cheers

[johnw]

John theres no dark patches just the lighting but the leaf did come up with a reddish tinge, I wish I took the pick then and now thinking versipelle allways comes up green?
Reading about emodi, can they really get big leaves, ive only seen them as big as the palm of my hand. This hybrid looks biger than that.cheers

Stephen  - I am trying to guess the size of hexandrum leaves here and would say about twice the size of my hand.  The height & leaf size varies according to spring rainfall but they have been breast height.

Would be easier if I had an exact measurement of the open flower but then again the leaf is not fully expanded at that point.

johnw

[Robin Callens]

Stephen,

Both Podo versipelle and hexandrum have a leaf margin with regurlarly spaced and closely positioned small teeth.
I think it's odd that a hybrid between those two has a leaf margin with irregularly spaced teeth.

Robin

[johnw]

Robin - Many gardeners have versipelle when in fact it is pleianthum.  How would it fit in the equation here?

johnw

 

[Robin Callens]

Sorry,John, I d'ont quite understand your question.

Robin

[johnw]

Robin  - Sorry.  Does Stephen's plant look like a pleianthum x hexandrum, if one can imagine the outcome?

It would be a first, would it not?

johnw

[Robin Callens]

John, I would imagine another leaf form (deeper lobes) and different leafmargin. But I am puzzled by the flowers: are they closed or open,where are they positioned (in the fork or higher up on one of the stems),only two flowers or more?  It would be instructive to see the whole plant with stem ,two leaves and its flowers.

Robin

[Stephen Vella]

John,

Very nice hexandrum, I never imagined them to look like this at maturity, large in size with so many lobes and serrations.

Robin I agree with what your saying as I too from the begining questioned the cross as the flowers dont look hexandrum like but the young colouration in the leaves puzzles me, they are not typically green like versipelle or pleianthum they come out with a reddish tinge. This plant is only 3 years and theres only 2 flowers and they are opened, they look similair to delavayi. I think I will keep an eye on these plants next year and see if the leaves change at maturity like hexandrum does.

Do either of you chaps have a pick of a pleianthum or versipelli x delavayi to compare? If thats what it could be.
cheers

[johnw]

Stephen  - Here are a few shots for comparison:

delavayi x pleianthum (the reverse of slide title)
delavayi x pleianthum (the reverse of slide title)
delavayi x versipelle
delavayi strange flower

May the seed donor can shed some light on which Podos are in his collection.

johnw

[Robin Callens]

Stephen, John

1 Podo delavayi x pleianthum (pollen)
2 Podo mairei x delavayi (pollen)
3 Podo peltatum x pleianthum (pollen)

[johnw]

Interesting to see these crosses Robin.  Especially interesting was your cross of mairiei x delavayi as I did the reverse cross, delavayi x mairiei, this past spring and noted upon collection:

"2 of 3 took & produced only 11 good seeds"

johnw

[Stephen Vella]

Nice hybrid forms there John and Robin..John do you have those plant picks that are a little more advanced?

Robin that delavayi x pleianthum is a very good rusty red. Looks similar to what I have when I described it with a red tinge.That cross goes under the name of 'Red Panda' released by Terra Nova.Yours looks even better and maybe because you have a better red delavayi form?? like the one in the same pic left of it.

Spotty Dotty and Kaleidoscope crosses are worth duplicating. Ever tried it?

[Robin Callens]

Stephen,

Do you know which species were crossed to produce Spotty Dotty and Kaleidoscope ? I d'ont think they have the same parents.

Robin