August 2013 in the Southern Hemisphere

[Gerry Webster]

Marcus what is this juno? It is the one near the large patch of Iris planifolia that you saw.
A better photo of the possible oldie N. tazetta 'Lord Channing'. Can someone point me to the daffodil data base please?

Pat - http://daffseek.org/

[Maggi Young]

Can someone point me to the daffodil data base please?

http://apps.rhs.org.uk/horticulturaldatabase/daffodilregister/daffsearch.asp

[arillady]

Gerry I couldn't find the name on daffseek so I will try the RHS site from Maggi. doing a websearch I found an old publication Daffodils in Eastern Carolina - 1930 which mentions the name in Division 8 but that is as far as I have got so far. My little 1913 book All About Daffodils by Mr Robert Sydenham does not list it. No matches on the RHS site Maggi either.

[arillady]

Just found Lord Canning on the RHS site. Maybe that is it. Pre 1861.

[Hillview croconut]

Hi Pat,

Iris sindpers

Cheers, Marcus

[Lesley Cox]

I agree Otto, your 'Cantab' is true, and I'm judging by the tips of the style arms which like Fermi's, are neatly divided into two parts, not raggedy like on mine. So maybe mine is 'Alida' as Fermi suggests. I've never seen that as it's one which has never come to NZ with the annual Dutch import. If it is, that's good news as it is a new one for us.  Your 'Sindpers' is very blue Pat. Usually it has more sea-green or grey-green in it, as below. No longer available in NZ I'm afraid.

[fermi de Sousa]

Your 'Sindpers' is very blue Pat. Usually it has more sea-green or grey-green in it, as below. No longer available in NZ I'm afraid.

Lesley,
that's such a shame as it was saved from oblivion by NZ!
Here are a few more pics from the garden,
Narcissus 'Camoro' - gone a bit "native" here! Growing through a clump of native grass/carex whose name escapes me!
A new Div 6 daff from Keira Bulbs;
Another of Rod Barwick's "Detective Series" of hybrid hoops: Kojak.
cheers
fermi

[arillady]

Just took this photo late this afternoon - there is more grey in the colouring than is shown. I will try for a closeup tomorrow afternoon.
Such a pity when a plant dies out and there is no hope of getting a new clone in.

[Hillview croconut]

Hi all,

Thanks for the offer of Atlas Gold  Lesley - I think we'll have to wait until Australia and New Zealand finally amalgamate as the southern land of Gondwana!

Unfortunately things will have to get worse before they get better.

Lovely clumps of Sindpers. I agree Pat, it is really most unfortunate that specialist nurseries are being forced out of the importation process basically because of the cost of compliance. Bureaucracies make no differentiation between importing commodities and small volumes of rare items and I personally think there is a considerable "gold plating" around regulation.

Cheers, Marcus

[Lesley Cox]

You have a wonderful patch of it Pat. I really envy you. It was one I left in my other garden. I simply couldn't find the darned thing though I knew exactly where it was.

I have no doubt it is still in NZ, many people will have it so at some stage I'll put on my oldest and tattiest clothes, take a (soil-lined) bowl and start to beg!

You're right Fermi. After the 2nd World War it had apparently died out in Europe and was reintroduced in quantity, I believe to van Tubergen's nursery, from the nursery of the late Stanley Hughes at Tapanui (Hughes of Galanthus 'Emerald Hughes' fame). Stanley and later his son Denis then his brother John had it in cabbage-like rows in a paddock where it loved the rich West Otago soil. When John Hughes sold his bulb/flower business some years ago to a Dutch concern, the bulbs were all harvested by machinery rather than dug by hand and in effect, that was the end of the iris, I. bucharica, Frit. imperialis and many other great bulbs, from the trade in New Zealand. I've always felt a connection with this nursery because as well as frequent visits there and knowing the Hughes brothers well (I never met their father) my mother as a child used to play with Stanley when they were both school age, she being a farm girl from nearby and a pupil at the Tapanui school with Stanley.

[Mini bulb lover]

"...it is really most unfortunate that specialist nurseries are being forced out of the importation process basically because of the cost of compliance. Bureaucracies make no differentiation between importing commodities and small volumes of rare items and I personally think there is a considerable "gold plating" around regulation." Marcus

Hear hear!


I think the peach coloured hybrid hellebore below looks great from both front and behind.

[arillady]

Jon that is a lovely Hellebore.
I have searched the web and my many iris books without much success to find some detailed information about Iris xSindper/Sindpur.

[fermi de Sousa]

I have searched the web and my many iris books without much success to find some detailed information about Iris xSindper/Sindpur.

Hi Pat,
Dykes in The Genus Iris mentions that Iris persica var. purpurea was crossed with Iris sindjarensis (the old name for Iris aucheri) to create Pursind and Sindpur. He also mentions that of Sindpur "there exist several colour varieties. One of the best has been named not inappropriately Amethyst"
cheers
fermi

[Maggi Young]

Jon that is a lovely Hellebore.
I have searched the web and my many iris books without much success to find some detailed information about Iris xSindper/Sindpur.

I  will see what I can collate for you, Pat.

[arillady]

Thanks Fermi,  and Maggi I put van Tubergen Sindper in google and found a 1906 article. Getting closer to the date.