Fall Scilla and relatives 2013

[Rimmer de Vries]

Prospero (Scilla) autumnale has been blooming in the ground for about a week

[bulborum]

Scilla obtusifolia collected in Corsica starts flowering here

Roland

[Rimmer de Vries]

Scilla lingulata ciliolata early form. this consistently blooms in August before any foliage. 

I wonder if this plant is indeed Scilla lingulata ciliolata and not Scilla obtusifolia because it looks like a broad leafed Scilla autumnale.

any thoughts?

[bulborum]

 My Scilla obtusifolia flowers collected in Corsica looks more like autumnale
These flowers are completely different and look as the lingulata I have

Roland

[Rimmer de Vries]

This pink scilla was grown outside from 2008 NARGS ex seed labelled as Scilla humidica numidica.   First is it identified correctly?
 It has wide leaves present at the time of flowers and has a reeded (verticaly grooved) stem a bit more pronounced grooves than my other autumn blooming scilla.
reading up on Scilla numidica, rareplants.de says  it is not supposed to be frozen; however, it has been outside for 5 years planted in the garden, so it seems hardy.  Does anyone else have experience with this plant growing outside in northern climate with cold wet winters?

[Lesley Cox]

Is Prospero autumnale a new name for Scilla autumnalis?

[Maggi Young]

Is Prospero autumnale a new name for Scilla autumnalis?

Seems so......    http://www.theplantlist.org/tpl/record/kew-285270

[Rimmer de Vries]

Another pink autumn blooming scilla blooming today with leaves present at the time of the bloom.  Grown outside from 2009-10 NARGS ex seed #2836 labelled as scilla autumnalis.

this one also has the reeded or vertically grooved stem and fairly wide leaves present at the time of bloom. 

is this the same as the Barnardia (Scilla) numidica? it looks different in the spacing of the florets.

 

[pehe]

This pink scilla was grown outside from 2008 seed ex seed labelled as Scilla humidica.  This is the first time blooming. 
first is it identified correctly?  it has leaves present at the time of flowers and has a  reeded (verticaly grooved) stem a bit more pronounced grooves than my other autumn blooming scilla.
reading up on Scilla humidica, rareplants.de says  it is not supposed to be frozen but it has been outside for 5 years first in pots than planted in the garden. does anyone else have experience with this plant growing outside in northern climate with cold wet winters?

Rimmer, I think you mean scilla numidica or barnardia numidica as it should be called now. I am no expert in that, but it doesn't look like mine which you can see here: http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=8627.60. It starts flowering without leaves, but with the last flowers some leaves are  appearing.

Poul

[Rimmer de Vries]

This pink scilla was grown outside from 2008 NARGS ex seed labelled as Scilla humidica numidica.   First is it identified correctly?
 It has wide leaves present at the time of flowers and has a reeded (verticaly grooved) stem a bit more pronounced grooves than my other autumn blooming scilla.
reading up on Scilla numidica, rareplants.de says  it is not supposed to be frozen; however, it has been outside for 5 years planted in the garden, so it seems hardy.  Does anyone else have experience with this plant growing outside in northern climate with cold wet winters?

I have been schooled that Scilla numidica is from North Africa is not winter hardy in the Midwest and thus this plant cannot be Scilla numidica but is Scilla (Barnardia) japonica.  This would be consistent with the wide leaves present at or before the time of bloom.

http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/index.php/Barnardia

[shelagh]

Rimmer the Scilla numidica that we had came from (originally) Brian Matthew's garden and had red foliage when it first came through.  We were given bulbs and seeds and both looked the same.

The picture is on the same page as Pehe indicated.

[Rimmer de Vries]

Rimmer the Scilla numidica that we had came from (originally) Brian Matthew's garden and had red foliage when it first came through.  We were given bulbs and seeds and both looked the same.

The picture is on the same page as Pehe indicated.

Thanks Shelagh,
here is your picture http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=8627.msg254324#msg254324
you write as if you don't have these any more.    what happened?
is the short raceme typical of this species?

[Rimmer de Vries]

Hyacinthoides (Scilla) lingulata MK 2984 PC - these bloom before the leaves are present.

This form has a white ovary and blue anthers

[Rimmer de Vries]

Hyacinthides (Scilla) lingulata PB332- from Kurt Vickery blooming a week after receiving the dormant bulbs. 
These bloom just as the leaves begin to emerge.
The leaves appear almost black in the full sun and have a frosting to the surface.
The flowers have a self coloured (blue) ovary and dark blue anthers.

[Rimmer de Vries]

Hyacinthoides (Scilla) lingulata Alba SL253a from Tunisia- Enfidaville.
This white form is very white and the leaves are very bright green alomst a yellow green.  Very small and hard to photograph with my camera phone. The ovary is self coloured (white) and the anthers are yellow.