Autumn flowering Narcissus 2013

[wooden shoe]

Wouldn't it be sufficient to just leave the bulbs in the bulbframe to do the baking? In my small greenhouse it easily gets 40C in summer if the sun is shining. I only have summer dormant bulbs and they don't seem to mind up till now, although I only have this greenhouse for a short time yet.
Maybe it may even kill the Narcissus fly as a side effect. Commercial daffodil growers submerge bulbs for 2 hours in water of 42C to kill of any Narcissus fly grubs. Maybe baking might have the same effect.
Rob

[Rafa]

Poul, in your pictures first and second, are Narcissus obsoletus which is the correct name for this Mediterranean species, in the third picture there are Narcissus obsoletus at right and Narcissus serotinus at left. Very beautiful plants!

[Hans A.]

Beautiful Narcissus Gerd and Poul!

Here some more Narcissus  - because of the drought they are late and small plants.
Narcissus elegans from Northafrica,
Narcissus elegans from Balearic Islands - I agree with Rafa, in my opinion it looks more like a stable hybrid between N. elegans (or viridiflorus??) and N. obsoletus,
Narcissus x alleniae
Narcissus broussonetii - collection from Ek Balls

Especially last both Narcissus are very good scented (similar Jasmin) - and for Diane - yes, x perezlarea is good scented too, but not as intense as N. x alleniae and N. broussonetii.

[Rafa]

Fantastic Hans!
Here it's also blooming this Narcissus elegans from Balearic Islands and Narcissus malacitanus, that is very similar to N. elegans from North Africa. So I have no longer doubt, the plant from Balearic Islands called Narcissus elegans is a new species. Leaves, scape, spathe etc.. are chareacters inherited from N. elegans, flowers have characters inherited from obsoletus.

Now I have an interesting problem to ponder,  there was probably Narcissus elegans long time ago, but the evolutionary process by hybridization extinguished it. From my observations, the parent  who largely played the role as father, is the first to be extinguished. Then, the new species often coexist with the mother and form new hybrids with them.

[pehe]

Hans, wonderful photos of marvelous Narcissus!

Rafa, thank you!
Here are a couple of new photos with the correct names (hopefully!)

Poul

[annew]

Very beautiful. And well grown!

[Rafa]

Poul, I was wrong. In this new picture I can see second flower in this yellow corona Narcissus at right, so this means it is not Narcissus serotinus that it has one flower per scape. It could be N. obsoletus x N. serotinus, this hybrid and probably in fact new species not described yet, grows in Sevilla and and surely in many places in North Africa.

[Hans A.]

Thanks Rafa, Poul and Anne!
Not sure if Pouls plant is a hybrid - N.obsoletus with a yellow corona are not rare in populations of this species here.

[arillady]

I do so like these simple Narcissus. Thank you all for photos and discussion.

[Rafa]

Hans, interesting....  do you have any picture of this kind of coronas in the wild?.
When N. obsoletus blooms, the pigmentation maturity in corona starting with a yellow-brownish color and some days before it could be pure orange, or orange-green / orange brown, but I never seen this yellow pigment in pure N. obsoletus, they use to be N. obsoletus x N. tazetta and N. obsoletus x N. serotinus.
Also the segments in corona, in Poul's plant make me think in a hybrid.

[pehe]

Thanks Anne!

Rafa, you are right about the two scapes.
I do not know the origin of these Narcissus. I bought them from a commercial supplier some years ago as N. serotinus. It is first time they flower so well.
However my experience is that you can get many different species/hybrids under that name.
It is better to collect seeds from a wild population, but unfortunately I do not live in Spain....

Poul

[Gerdk]

Superb pics from Mallorca and Denmark!

I would like to add some recent pics from here

1. + 2. Narcissus x alleniae - kept inside for better flowering and seedset
3. + 4. Narcissus x alentejanus (moronensis) - a selection of the cross serotinus x cavanillesii with larger flowers

Gerd

[Gerdk]

- and 3 different flowers from Narcissus miniatus/obsoletus

1. from Marmaris/Turkey
2. from Mallorca/Spain
3. from the Cadiz Region - one of them with the distinct orange tone

Gerd

[Hans A.]

Wow Gerd , great pictures of very well grown plants, happy you did not throw them away! 
@Rafa , will have to check if I have pictures, but as I remember they are similar in colour to the first N.obsoletus Gerd shows.
Thanks a lot Pat!

[David Nicholson]

Nothing to shout about I'm sure but I'm always excited by my first Narcissus of the season and if it's one grown from seed and flowering for the first time I'm excited twice over:-

Narcissus 'Nylon Group' from seed (SRGC 08/9 2456) sown September 2009