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Re: Galanthus that are truly easy to recognise!
« Reply #120 on: November 19, 2013, 06:34:15 PM »
I saw Moses Basket last spring for the first time without a look on the label ;D
  Gerard,'Moses Basket'doesn't behave every year,so you will still probably need a label. ;D ;D ;D
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Re: Galanthus that are truly easy to recognise!
« Reply #121 on: November 19, 2013, 06:38:06 PM »
Here's another one that's very easy to identify 'Hoverfly'. :)
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Re: Galanthus that are truly easy to recognise!
« Reply #122 on: November 19, 2013, 08:21:56 PM »
Alan, I agree with you that 'Walrus' can be classfied in the Double Group and the others in the Galanthus Spiky Group. However, I classified Galanthus 'Green Fingers' in the Galanthus Double Group in the "cultivar name list" but Hanneke in the Spiky Group in Galanthomania. So I go along with the two of you and adjusted my records.
The classification by Hagen overlaps widely with the ICRA Register so that is good.

Alan, we had the discussion before in this Forum about 'Greenlight' versus 'Green Light'. The cultivar name is included in the "cultivar name list" as 'Greenlight' but you maintain the writing 'Green Light' so that means that this is the correct way of how to write this name? Perhaps you have a reference? Thanks for your help.

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Re: Galanthus that are truly easy to recognise!
« Reply #123 on: November 19, 2013, 10:17:25 PM »
This thread is so fascinating. Mark, the photos will be so helpful.  It would be great if each cultivar listed was accompanied by a few words capturing why it's on the list.  You can't always tell from a photo.  Maybe members who nominated each cultivar could supply that. I just made a master document and recorded all the comments from the thread about each nomination but many have none. 

Things that seem unresolved:
Should Wendy's Gold be listed with Wandlebury Ring as Alan suggested?
What happened to G. elwesii White Perfection, G. r-o Autumn Snow, and G. nivalis Mark Solomon?  Were they just examples of pocs you could tell apart from each other or should they be on the list?
What about worronowii vs. ikariae?
I am confused about Hippolyta being on the list because I understood that the Greatorex doubles cannot be told apart.  Is it distinct?
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Re: Galanthus that are truly easy to recognise!
« Reply #124 on: November 19, 2013, 10:23:13 PM »
Wim, 'Green Light' was named by Joe Sharman, who had gained permission from the landowner for us to remove a few bulbs after I discovered it in 2004.  It first appeared in print in his Sales List of 2008.  I was going to attach a copy thereof but for some reason the file size is too large (it's the third entry on the second page).  I would also refer you to replies 9, 12 & 14 on this thread http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=1204.0 which are probably the first online references.  The name is definitely 'Green Light'; I imagine 'Greenlight' arose as an accidental misprint or mistranscription.

I presume you would place it in your 'Green Group'?   
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Re: Galanthus that are truly easy to recognise!
« Reply #125 on: November 19, 2013, 10:49:50 PM »
Carolyn,

The main problem with the Greatorex Doubles is not so much that they cannot be told apart but that not everybody will agree which one is which.  The authors of "Snowdrops: A monograph of cultivated Galanthus" say about 'Hippolyta':
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All stocks appear to agree...Confusion is only really likely with 'Barbara's Double'

I'm not really familiar with either 'Hippolyta' or 'Barbara's Double'; perhaps we should pair them together as we have done with a few others?

I think we should stick to cultivars and exclude species snowdrops so therefore drop woronowii from the list.

My problem with 'Wendy's Gold' and 'Wandlebury Ring' is that I need to see them together to distinguish one from the other - but perhaps that's just me.     
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Re: Galanthus that are truly easy to recognise!
« Reply #126 on: November 20, 2013, 03:18:35 PM »
Can Mosquito be added to the list?
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Re: Galanthus that are truly easy to recognise!
« Reply #127 on: November 20, 2013, 05:36:17 PM »
Up to date list, I have removed Hippolyta as there is some disagreement - after all that is what the list is about!  Also dropped woronowii as it was Alan's idea that started the thread!  Any other comments on Carolyn's queries, particularly the poculiform snowdrops? 

Ailwyn/Lady Fairhaven some dispute over whether Lady Fairhaven actually is different
The Alburgh Claw
Alison Hilary
Anglesey Abbey
Augustus
Autumn Snow
Blewbury Tart/Green Fingers
Blonde Inge
Blue Magnet not yet in trade
Boyd's Double
Brian Mathew
Carolyn Elwes
Castle Green Dragon
Castlegar
Chadwick's Cream
Chandler's Green Tip
Charlotte Jean
Cliff Curtis
Corkscrew
Daglingworth
David Bromley
Diggory
Ding Dong
Dodo Norton
EA Bowles
Ecusson d'Or
Elizabeth Harrison
Emerald Isle
Fee Clochette
Fly Fishing
Fotini
Funny Justine
Galadriel
Gloucester Old Spot
Godfrey Owen
Graham Shipham
Grake's Gold
Green Brush
Green Flash
Green Light/Green Hornet
Green Mile
Green Tear
Hans guck in die Luft
Heffalump
Hill Poë
Hippolyta/Barbara's double
Hoverfly
Hugh Mackenzie
Kencot Kali
Lady Beatrix Stanley
Lady Elphinstone
Lapwing
Little Emma
Michael Holecroft
Modern Art/Courteen Hall
Moses Basket
Mosquito
Norfolk Blonde
Peter Gatehouse
Ronald Mackenzie
Rosemary Burnham
Sickle
Sophie North
South Hayes
Sutton Courtenay
Swanton
Trimmer
Trymposter
Vera Trum
Walrus
Wasp
Wendy's Gold/Wandlebury Ring
Yellow Angel not yet in trade
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Re: Galanthus that are truly easy to recognise!
« Reply #128 on: November 20, 2013, 08:28:17 PM »
Thanks to everyone who has contributed to this list, many many lovely drops to lust over.

I am quite pleased that woronowii has been removed from the list despite the fact that it is one of the few that I can recognise easily. Actually I can recognise the form that I grow but there have been numerous pictures in previous threads showing woronowii (both in the wild and in gardens) that look distinctly different to "my" form. Would I recognise one of these as woronowii - probably not.

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Re: Galanthus that are truly easy to recognise!
« Reply #129 on: November 20, 2013, 10:07:12 PM »
Brian,I've thought about this list,alot ???.Firstly 'Modern Art' and 'Courteen Hall' I can't tell them apart :-\
 There are quite alot that we should add...
Emerald Isle
Chandler's Green Tip
Green Flash
Norfolk Blonde
Trimmer
Little Emma
Vera Trum
Cliff Curtis
Fee Clochette
Galadriel
Alison Hilary
David Bromley
Michael Holecroft
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Re: Galanthus that are truly easy to recognise!
« Reply #130 on: November 20, 2013, 10:24:12 PM »
Brian,I've thought about this list,alot ???.Firstly 'Modern Art' and 'Courteen Hall' I can't tell them apart :-\
Yes I agree Steve, but how many people would actually buy 'Courteen Hall', it's not often seen whereas 'Modern Art' is.  I haven't added yours to the list as it is next to it in the thread - and we've only just got in from our local AGS meeting.

Now added.
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Re: Galanthus that are truly easy to recognise!
« Reply #131 on: November 21, 2013, 09:21:26 AM »
We have already allowed some pairs of snowdrops which are themselves similar but otherwise distinctive from other snowdrops

So I don't know why we can't have

Modern Art/Courteen Hall
Hippolyta/Barbara's Double
Wendy's Gold/Wandlebury Ring

Steve, I think you should imagine you are presented with a decent clump of snowdrops (even in such instances where such a thing does not yet exist) so in cases where a snowdrop does not 'perform' every year (such as Moses Basket) I presume at least some will and therefore a clump of them could be easily identified where an individual snowdrop might not be.     
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Re: Galanthus that are truly easy to recognise!
« Reply #132 on: November 21, 2013, 09:51:04 AM »
Well I am sure we can have exactly what we want as long as there is some agreement, so have added these Alan ;D
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Re: Galanthus that are truly easy to recognise!
« Reply #133 on: November 21, 2013, 10:33:32 AM »
I wouldn't add Vera Trum and maybe its because mine do not perform as they should. Mine look like they are simply G. plicatus. Anyone got photos?
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Re: Galanthus that are truly easy to recognise!
« Reply #134 on: November 21, 2013, 11:01:50 AM »
Is this the sort of thing you would like Carolyn ;)

Ailwyn, The Alburgh Claw, Alison Hilary, Anglesey Abbey

Augustus, Autumn Snow, Blewbury Tart, Blonde Inge

Boyd's Double, Brian Mathew, Carolyn Elwes, Castle Green Dragon

Pictures moved from other threads to make life easy!  Thanks to forumists for posting them.

Now I must go and do some leaf clearing.

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