Winter Narcissus

[Gerry Webster]

N. lagoi is an ancient name no longer valid. It is just a Narcissus asturiensis, maybe a bigger tetraploid lineage also called var. villarbildensis.

Rafa - N. lagoi is not recognised by Kew but seems to be recognised by Blanchard (1990) who claims it is not in cultivation. Plants/seeds were distributed under this name by Brian Duncan. The plants I have under this name certainly look very like N. asturiensis but, as Ashley noted,  flower very early - much earlier than other N. asturiensis forms.

[Anthony Darby]

Some gorgeous wee gems there. 

[annew]

The Blanchard book is, unfortunately, more than 20 years out of date now. We badly need a new monograph.
The tall asturiensis/lagoi is a seedling from my own asturiensis crossed with asturiensis from AGS seed. It looks very like Cedric Morris, doesn't it?

[annew]

When a new monograph is written, it would be nice if we could get the taxonomists to have a moratorium on changing names for a few years....

[Rafa]

N. lagoi, is similar in floral characters to N. asturiensis, but the rest of characters are similar to var. villarbildensis (is not accepted as well) Chromosomically is also not important, so to me, all of them are the same species from Ancares to Miño river etc...  Concerning floral time I think it's important of course, although this character is  not considered (like color and scent)  important, just adaptations. They are important to me, but I think it is necessary to studied it in the field.
I accept Flora Iberica as the only key for spanish flora, there are very very good botanist and they can research in the field every time, but in this genus I am not agree in general with their work. In the case of N. lagoi I think they get right retireing it.

I think KEW has recently update its database, it seems not accepted.
Another name not valid, that I mentioned here several times is Narcissus miniatus, finally also retired by KEW.

[annew]

Thank you, Rafa. I will label the tall asturiensis as tall asturiensis!

[Gerry Webster]

Narcissus asturiensis (“Narcissus lagoi”)   

A gift from Ashley who supplied the following information:   “OP seed ex 0281 (Brian Duncan)”.

As I noted above, N. lagoi  Merino is not accepted by Kew who regard it as a synonym for N. asturiensis (Jord.) Pugsley

The plant is about 11cm tall.

Edit-
This form appears to be tetraploid. See:
J. M. Zonneveld The systematic value of nuclear DNA content for all species of Narcissus L. (Amaryllidaceae). 2008, Plant Syst Evol 275:109–132

[Anne Repnow]

I'm a narcissus ignoramus - can someone enlighten me? Is it normal for Nacissus bulbocodium to sprout leaves in the autumn and keep them right through the winter?

@ Gerry: a lovely little flower!

[Maggi Young]

I'm a narcissus ignoramus - can someone enlighten me? Is it normal for Nacissus bulbocodium to sprout leaves in the autumn and keep them right through the winter?

 Yes, quite normal.

[Anne Repnow]

  Thanks! (They were probably absent in the last couple of winters because it was so cold.)

[ashley]

Thanks for your comments on 'N. lagoi' Rafa.  I use this old name only to refer to a distinct form rather than to claim taxon status.
There are some interesting field notes here.

A very nice portrait Gerry.  It's obviously enjoying life there, despite almost Mediterranean conditions
Here your N. calcicola are only just showing.

[Yann]

Anne, what such a beautiful set of daffodils. I especially love cantabricus petunioides x albidus. The flower's bearing is interesting.

[annew]

Thank you Yann, that cross has produced some lovely seedlings.

[YT]

Lovely hybrds and selections you have, Anne!

This is the newest petticoat in my stock. I obtained this plant with a bud as very funny name “Narcissus cantabricus conspicuous ” from a nursery 2 weeks ago, and the flower looked fully open on outside bench today. Yes, I think it’s an early flowering selection from N. bulbocodium or its varieties.

[Luc Gilgemyn]

Quite well known in these parts and flowering reliably...

Narcissus romieuxii "Craigton Clanger"






and the nephew : N. romieuxii "Craigton Clumper"