Allium 2014

[mark smyth]

Not the best photos - Allium oleraceum. Amazing how bulbils are already present when the flower bud bursts

[Mark Griffiths]

Is this Allium caesium? I managed to lose all the bulbs of Allium I bought this year - this was from AGS seed and for some reason I thought this would not be caesium so I put it in a frame thnking it was a weedy one. I would have had several flower heads but slugs and snails have reduced that to one head and that fell over.

[Jackie C]

Definitely not Allium carinatum ssp. pulchellum. I am intrigued by Oron's suggestion of a good floriferous form of A. vineale, but if so...WOW, never have seen a form of vineale that floriferous with so many flowers, thus ny doubts. I have seen forms of A. vineale that have more flowers than bulbils percentage-wise, but none like that.  On first glance, it appeared to me as a lax (perhaps immature) form of A. ampeloprasum, or one of a dozen closely related species once considered a variety or subspecies of ampeloprasum.  A photo of the foliage would help considerably, as vineale and ampeloprasum-et-al have drastically different foliage.

Hi, it is not an ampeloprasm the leaves do look like A. vineale. I had originally though it was A. vineale with flowers but then thought that wasn't possible. I have it planted next to Allium Hair and the leaves do look the same. I have just had a look at it and it is still in tight bud and can't wait to see if it does the same this year. I took the seed from the flower head last summer, I really must sow it, its in the fridge at the moment.

[TheOnionMan]

Hair we go again 

It might be worth revisiting the Allium 'Hair' mystery from back in 2010, where plants labeled 'Hair" are mostly unattributed as to species, but when assigned a species, it's a muddle, mostly split between vineale, sphaerocephalon, and a couple other species thrown in.

http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=5766.msg161699#msg161699

http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=5766.msg163893#msg163893

http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=5766.msg164118#msg164118

[Jackie C]

Hair we go again 

It might be worth revisiting the Allium 'Hair' mystery from back in 2010, where plants labeled 'Hair" are mostly unattributed as to species, but when assigned a species, it's a muddle, mostly split between vineale, sphaerocephalon, and a couple other species thrown in.

http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=5766.msg161699#msg161699

http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=5766.msg163893#msg163893

http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=5766.msg164118#msg164118

Hi Mark, thanks for the links to Allium 2010 they were very interesting especially the last one.
The picture posted of A. vineale Hair by Stephb looked very similar to my unknown Allium.
I am running some Allium trials up at my allotment and it includes A. sphaerocephalon, A. Hair and A. unknown. I also have A.vineale in my garden (not put there by me) but will explain about that in a minute. Of the 3 bulbs of A. unknown 2 have turned into A. Hair and the 3rd is going to flower. I have compared the bulbs, scapes, leaves and flowerheads of all 4 types and think A. Hair and unknown are related to A. vineale and not sphaerocephalon for the following reasons
- the scape is shorter and the leaves finish lower on A. sphaerocephalon.
- At so called flowering time A. vineale, Hair and unknown the leaves have completeing gone but sphaerocephelon are still green and presentable.
- A. sphaerocephalon flower head is conical and the others are round.

I have another reason for thinking Hair is related to A. vineale. My husband bought Hair in 2003 ( he is great with dates but not his taste in Alliums) when it first came out. A year or so after it 'flowered' I noticed A. vineale had arrived in the garden when we had never had it before. I have only just connected the two but it could be a coincidence I suppose.
What do you think?

Going back to my unknown Allium I wonder if it has flowers when in damp semi shade and 'hair' in full sun, will investigate further and see how they are doing in the garden I got them from.

Thanks for your help.

[Mark Griffiths]

can anyone help with my query a few posts up? The Allium ceasium? pic.

[wmel]

can anyone help with my query a few posts up? The Allium ceasium? pic.

It looks like some form of allium caesium to me.....

[wmel]

some photo's from today

allium sikkemense
allium kunthianum
allium parnassicum
allium hirtovaginum
allium lacunosum

[wmel]

some more

allium stendon
allium ampeloprasum X
allium ampeloprasum X
allium blue??

[wmel]

and some views..

[Mark Griffiths]

thanks Wim!

[olegKon]

Fantastic alliums as usual, Wietse. I will send you a personal message of how your alliums are doing here in Moscow.

[TheOnionMan]

Wietse, wonderful Alliums as usual, the photos of Allium ampeloprasum are exquisite.  Good to see Aliium stenodon too, and the blue Allium (unknown) looks like a very fine form of A. sikkimense.

The one labeled Allium hirtovaginatum is most likely a misnomer, A. hirtovaginatum (previously A. cupanii ssp. hirtovaginatum) is a few-flowered whitish species with pinkish nerves, not sure what the identity is of the floriferous red-flowered plant you show.

http://luirig.altervista.org/flora/taxa/index1.php?scientific-name=allium+hirtovaginatum

[Jackie C]

Here are two of my alliums that are flowering at the moment.

A. cernuum and
A. Eros -does anyone know its parentage, it looks like A. unifolium to me but I expect I am wrong.

[TheOnionMan]

I believe Eros is just a selection of Allium unifolium.
http://www.waitrosegarden.com/plants/_/allium-eros-pbr/classid.2000025384/

This originated from the Nursery De Schüllhorn:
http://kwekerijdeschullhorn.nl/?page_id=103&lang=en