Hellebore Id please

[ian mcenery]

I grew this from species hellebore seed some years ago and lost the label.  I have my ideas but can anyone advise please

[Maggi Young]

 Is it  Helleborus  multifidus hercegovinus ?

[Brian Ellis]

Is it  Helleborus  multifidus hercegovinus ?

I don't think the foliage is divided enough is it?

[Maggi Young]

I don't think the foliage is divided enough is it?

No, I don't suppose it is .........

[GordonT]

I wonder if it could be H. cyclophyllus or H. odorus. Hard to tell these two species apart.

[Tim Murphy]

The long pedicels and the large bracts lead me to believe that your plant is H. dumetorum, Ian. The plant looks too demure for either H. cyclophyllus or H. odorus.

[ian mcenery]

The long pedicels and the large bracts lead me to believe that your plant is H. dumetorum, Ian. The plant looks too demure for either H. cyclophyllus or H. odorus.

Thank Tim that was my thought but I wasn't at all confident. I did think it might be cyclophyllus but the size of the plant is quite small

Thanks to everyone who helped some of these can be tricky

[johnralphcarpenter]

Tom Mitchell told me "That's one of the joys/frustrations of the genus. Unless you know where a plant is from, naming it accurately is well nigh impossible."

[ian mcenery]

Tom Mitchell told me "That's one of the joys/frustrations of the genus. Unless you know where a plant is from, naming it accurately is well nigh impossible."

Yes but did he also tell you that there is tremendous variation within single populations so it can be a bit of a lucky dip when the seed germinates

[johnralphcarpenter]

Anyway, it's a specie hellebore! Good to grow them.

[Tim Murphy]

Yes but did he also tell you that there is tremendous variation within single populations so it can be a bit of a lucky dip when the seed germinates

Here's a photo to illustrate that point. I took it in April 2006 in a colony of northern H. torquatus in Croatia, close to the border with Bosnia. From a horticultural point of view, the plants in this colony are the best I have ever seen. Plenty of double flowered plants at this site too.

[ian mcenery]

Here's a photo to illustrate that point. I took it in April 2006 in a colony of northern H. torquatus in Croatia, close to the border with Bosnia. From a horticultural point of view, the plants in this colony are the best I have ever seen. Plenty of double flowered plants at this site too.

Tim looks wonderful