Spring Narcissus 2014

[Gerry Webster]

Thanks Rafa.

[Cyril L]

Rafa, thank you for showing pictures of these exquisite narcissi, N. albimarginatus, N. muñozii-garmendiae and N. x susannae.  I wrongly believed that the last two were synonymous, your pictures show very distinct plants.

[Rafa]

yes, there are two totally diferent things.
N. muñozii-garmendiae is now considered by Flora Iberica as Pseudonarcissus species, I am not agree with this, to me it's a species from Asturiensis group.

Also since they bring back to life N. albicans (also ignored by Flora Iberica) there are two very similar hybrids with N. triandrus subsp. pallidulus: Narcissus x litigiosus (parent albicans) and Narcissus x susannae (parent cantabricus).

[YT]

They are around 30-33 cm. I think that this species like N. broussonetii needs many hours of full sun. I think it is possible to grow it in Mediterranean countries.

Not only in Mediterranean but my place... sunny winter and at N34°58′ almost same as Morocco
Thank you for sharing your pictures, Rafa.

[Anthony Darby]

We have a Mediterranean climate too.

[Gerdk]

some cantabricus pics from today - for comparison

left to right

Narcissus cant. Chorro / Almodovar del Campo / Brazatortas / Rio Jandula

the last one might be called N. albicans now - a surprising form/species which looks very close to the North African
N. romieuxii

Gerd

[Rafa]

fantastic comparative picture Gerd.

In Jandula river, there are N. cantabricus, but I think N. albicans is still an hybrid. Seeing the amount of N. cantabricus and N. bulbocodium, there are very few N. albicans types. I collected once this plant and it was sterile. Maybe this evolution has started recently in this particular place and this is why there are very few. In Toledo or Extremadura, N. albicans have thousands of plants, more than the parents.

Gerd, did you see the groups of N. jonquilla mixed with N. cantabricus and N. bulbocodium? they don't make any hybrid  there are also few N. triandrus subsp. pallidulus in the same group, close to the water and also N. jonquilla is not accting without any other species.

[Rafa]

This group of plants, called N. albidus etc.. in my oppinion are african versions of N. albicans.
Also I think in Spain, it could be possible different N. albicans deppending the mother bulbocodium, but the most successfully mother in this cross with N. cantabricus is the one that grows in Toledo, Ciudad Real, and Extremadura.

[Tony Willis]

Two Narcissus cordubensis one from Grazelema and the other from Zahahra. Interestingly when I was there last the Zahahra site had been totally trashed by wild boar and the narcissus,orchids and iris destroyed.

Narcissus alpestris ms842  from Mike salmon performing well again.

[ArnoldT]

Very nice Tony.
Question on the N. cordubensis.  Do you dry them during dormancy or give some moisture.

[Tony Willis]

They stay in their pot in the sand plunge which dries out but is not baked. I stop watering when they start to die down usually in May and start again in September

[David Nicholson]

Gorgeous Daffs folks. Narcissus asturiensis from me.

[Afloden]

Tony, alpestris is beautiful.

 Arnold, I grow cordubensis outside here in eastern Tennessee and let it have whatever the weather throws at it. It is nearly in flower here in the garden and sets seed every year.
 
 Aaron

[ArnoldT]

Thanks, Tony and Aaron.

[Gerdk]

fantastic comparative picture Gerd.

In Jandula river, there are N. cantabricus, but I think N. albicans is still an hybrid. Seeing the amount of N. cantabricus and N. bulbocodium, there are very few N. albicans types. I collected once this plant and it was sterile. Maybe this evolution has started recently in this particular place and this is why there are very few. In Toledo or Extremadura, N. albicans have thousands of plants, more than the parents.

Gerd, did you see the groups of N. jonquilla mixed with N. cantabricus and N. bulbocodium? they don't make any hybrid  there are also few N. triandrus subsp. pallidulus in the same group, close to the water and also N. jonquilla is not accting without any other species.

Thank you Rafa - the more abundant occurence of N. albicans in Toledo and especially in the Extremadura is very interesting.
I found plants which I took for yellow cantabricus only in the Sierra Morena and also some sterile ones, looking like a small
pale bulbocodium - unfortunately I lost them. I have to test the plant shown here for sterility.

No Narcissus jonquilla found in the region.

Gerd