Ophrys 2014

[Gerhard Raschun]

I am so glad this thread was started.

During a holiday in Northern Greece last year, I photographed some orchids on an area of open ground near Panorama.  I have no idea hat they are, and to my eyes some look 'strange' - they appear to lack colour.

Identification would be much appreciated, plus any comments on the 'strange' ones.

At the end of flowering they chance into this colour for usual. IŽd expect Op. transhyrcana, which always has a long and small lip.

[zen]

 Hi, my friend has got a big collections orchis and ophrys.

http://eophrys.blogspot.com/

[art600]

Some that are not Ophrys spp. creeping into this thread.

Humble apologies

[Tony Willis]

Some that are not Ophrys spp. creeping into this thread.

and will probably continue to do so.

another

Ophrys tenthredifera  and

Ophrys spegodes

[Anthony Darby]

and will probably continue to do so.

[art600]

At the end of flowering they chance into this colour for usual. IŽd expect Op. transhyrcana, which always has a long and small lip.

Gerhard

Are you saying all the Ophrys I showed are transhyrcana? or just the odd brown ones.

[Neil]

Arthur

The first image is Ophrys. transhyrcana, which is a synonym Ophrys sphegodes subsp. mammosa and so is the second but the flower has gone over the third is probably the same. The fourth is an Ophrys sphegodes, also gone over, but I cannot tell which subspecies.



 

[art600]

Neil

Many thanks

Arthur

[mark smyth]

Do these photos show the natural variation in flower shape of O. leochroma or is it something else?

[Neil]

Mark they are both Ophrys tenthredifera  of which Ophrys leochroma is a  synonym.

[mark smyth]

Thanks. Should I relabel them as Ophrys tenthredifera? 

[Maggi Young]

Accepted name from Kew Plant List is    Ophrys tenthredinifera

- lots of synonyms:  http://www.theplantlist.org/tpl1.1/record/kew-141835

[SteveC2]

But if, like me, you have several clones of tenthredinifera, it helps to include both on the label so you know which is which.
 

[Tony Willis]

You either follow Delforge who lists 520 species in Europe most distinguished by a spot here or a hair there or a slight colour change (great names for selling plants) or you just accept they are the same and just have slight natural variations.

It is interesting to visit Spili in Crete to watch evolution in action within your own lifetime. Every time you go they have changed into new species.

[SteveC2]

Perhaps we should follow the Pleione and snowdrop fans and have cultivar names?
Kidding! >