Narcissus January 2015

[annew]

Lovely hoops!

[WNOETULIP]

Hi JPB
You wrote
Narcissus bulbocodium subsp. . Received as subsp. nivalis but nivalis is a native of Morocco. Could it be subsp. validus?
nivalis comes from the Iberian peninsular not Morocco see following link
http://apps.kew.org/wcsp/namedetail.do?name_id=282057
Daffseek has lots of photographs of nivalis including one that i posted
http://daffseek.org/query/query-detail.php?photo2=5e8ef18aab97ac11692aa249964dd5f6&pagenum1=1&

[Matt T]

Narcissus cantabricus J.W. Blanchard 8820

A stunning plant. It's a shame that N. cantabricus is so sulky with me - summers too cool and grey. 

[Corrado & Rina]

A stunning plant. It's a shame that N. cantabricus is so sulky with me - summers too cool and grey. 

Apologies for the question Matt, but what is the weather like in the summer there?

Regards

Corrado

[JPB]

Hi JPB
You wrote
Narcissus bulbocodium subsp. . Received as subsp. nivalis but nivalis is a native of Morocco. Could it be subsp. validus?
nivalis comes from the Iberian peninsular not Morocco see following link
http://apps.kew.org/wcsp/namedetail.do?name_id=282057
Daffseek has lots of photographs of nivalis including one that i posted
http://daffseek.org/query/query-detail.php?photo2=5e8ef18aab97ac11692aa249964dd5f6&pagenum1=1&

You are right. I found another picture of N. bulb bulb. nivalis from Estrella; http://www.eco.science.ru.nl/plantecology/Estrela/pig_taxa1.html
This plant is very similar to my nivalis. Short corona (half the length of the tube).
I checked the John Hammond book and he found similar plants "in the Asturias" which is close to or part of the Cantabrian mountains...

[Matt T]

As I understand it, the N.b.nivalis like plants that are found in North Africa should be known as N. jeanmonodii?

Edit: just been reading through old threads. They're all N.bulbocodium [full stop]

[Matt T]

Apologies for the question Matt, but what is the weather like in the summer there?

Regards

Corrado

No need to apologise! Our summers are typically cool, with temperatures reaching the high teens if we're lucky. May is usually a good month, with a reasonable amount of sun. June can be good too, which is when the machair wildflowers start to come into their own. However, July and August typically turn a bit cloudier and wetter. Being a low-lying island in the 'Gulf Stream' we are lucky not to suffer very cold winters and hard/prolonged frosts are rare. This also means we don't have baking hot summers. Overall our climate is more equable that other parts of the country - mild wet and windy winters followed by mild, wet and less windy summers.

The Met Office has interesting average climatic data from across the UK. You can find ours here: http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/public/weather/climate/gf4z088dj
Usefully, you could also enter your own location under the "Location comparison" tab to compare the average climate of our respective locations. It might help you to understand our climate in relation to your own?

[Rafa]

Hans, I would say your plant is N. bulbocodium subsp. nivalis, however this name is not accepted and many botanist consider this is the same bulboodium that grows everywhere in Spain. I support Narcissus bulbocodium subsp. nivalis and this only grows in central mountain ranges in Spain and also Sierra de Estrella in Portugal.
You are right Matt T, there is a similar species in Morocco called N. jeanmonodii,
http://www.treknature.com/gallery/photo232628.htm4

[JPB]

Hans, I would say your plant is N. bulbocodium subsp. nivalis, however this name is not accepted and many botanist consider this is the same bulboodium that grows everywhere in Spain. I support Narcissus bulbocodium subsp. nivalis and this only grows in central mountain ranges in Spain and also Sierra de Estrella in Portugal.
You are right Matt T, there is a similar species in Morocco called N. jeanmonodii,
http://www.treknature.com/gallery/photo232628.htm4

What a beautiful plant!!!
It seems that I'm a little behind with Narcissus taxonomy...
Will there be a new monograph any time soon?

[Corrado & Rina]

What a beautiful plant!!!
It seems that I'm a little behind with Narcissus taxonomy...
Will there be a new monograph any time soon?

Mmmm .... the most recent position is that N.bulbocodium subsp. nivalis is synonym with N. nivalis, so it is a species, and this position  accepted in the world checklist database. Of course, there will always be some that disagree or most botanists would be out of a job .... 

Fernández Casas, F.J. (2009). Narcissorum notulae, XII. Fontqueria 56: 15-28.

Best,

Corrado

[WNOETULIP]

Mmmm .... the most recent position is that N.bulbocodium subsp. nivalis is synonym with N. nivalis, so it is a species, and this position  accepted in the world checklist database. Of course, there will always be some that disagree or most botanists would be out of a job .... 

Corrado

Narcissus nivalis was described by the Spanish physician, naturalist and politician Mariano de la Paz Graells and published in Memorias, Real Academia de Ciencias Exactas, Físicas y Naturales de Madrid 2: 473, in 1859. The species name nivalis, means snow. (Wikipedia)

Attached is the pdf of that page

[Corrado & Rina]

Narcissus nivalis was described by the Spanish physician, naturalist and politician Mariano de la Paz Graells and published in Memorias, Real Academia de Ciencias Exactas, Físicas y Naturales de Madrid 2: 473, in 1859. The species name nivalis, means snow. (Wikipedia)

Attached is the pdf of that page

Exactly (aand thanks for the pdf!). Narcissus bulbocodium subsp. nivalis was then described in 1890, but  it is indeed assumed to be a synonym of Narcissus nivalis in the world checklist database and in the international plant name index and in the most recent publications, for example in the already mentioned Fernández Casas, F.J. (2009). Narcissorum notulae, XII. Fontqueria. 

I do not think that does add or take away to the beauty of Hans plant .... fantastic!

PS: Do you have the original 1890 paper describing Narcissus bulbocodium subsp. nivalis?

Regards

Corrado

[YT]

Narcissus minor, JJA702.305 From wild collected seeds, Spain, Leon, La Pola de Gordon. 1300m.

[Matt T]

  minor is the word for it!!

[annew]

  Tatsuo, your narcissus are always on short stems, but that one is extreme! Do you think the stem will get longer?