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thanks david, I'll see if I can look up some of the other ones I have.what I want to know is whatever happned to "Crowsley's variety" - used to be one of the few clones you could get - not seen it for decades.
Picture of it here from John Richard's Diary.http://www.alpinegardensociety.net/diaries/Northumberland/+March+/544/My copy and paste function seems to be working again