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Re: Narcissus February 08
« Reply #30 on: February 11, 2008, 05:54:59 PM »
Gerd, It could be possible a mistake labelling the collection data?
This green tube and the curvature corresponds to N. gaditanus....
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Re: Narcissus February 08
« Reply #31 on: February 11, 2008, 07:34:09 PM »
Quote from: Rafa on February 11, 2008, 05:54:59 PM
Gerd, It could be possible a mistake labelling the collection data?
This green tube and the curvature corresponds to N. gaditanus....

Rafa,
According Flora Vascular de Andalucía Occidental N. gaditanus is restricted to the south of Spain and Portugal.  So I believe you are right with your first guess.
N. assoanus grows further north in eastern Spain, France and Turkey(!).
This Flora also says for N. assoanus (although for ssp. praelongus ): tubo del periantio de 12-28 mm, recto o ligeramente curvado.
I am waiting for flowers from a plant which perhaps is more 'gaditanus' at least from the distribution. I'll send a pic.

Gerd





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Re: Narcissus February 08
« Reply #32 on: February 11, 2008, 08:11:35 PM »
This is so variable genus Narcissus that is impossible to recognize anything!!!
If the data collection is correct there is just this posibility (if botanists are right): Narcissus assoanus ssp. assoanus.
(= )

If I have understood well
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N. gaditanus= curved, green/yellow tube
N. fernandesii= right, green tube
N. fernandesii var. rivas-martinezii = very little N. fernandesii, right leaves, and quite curved yellow tube (sometimes green).
N. baeticus = N. assoanus subsp. praelongus
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Re: Narcissus February 08
« Reply #33 on: February 11, 2008, 08:52:03 PM »
Quote from: Rafa on February 11, 2008, 08:11:35 PM
This is so variable genus Narcissus that is impossible to recognize anything!!!
If the data collection is correct there is just this posibility (if botanists are right): Narcissus assoanus ssp. assoanus.

YES, so it is. Sometimes a horror.

Where did you find the illustration? It looks familiar to me but I can't remember where I saw it (senior moment!).

Gerd
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Re: Narcissus February 08
« Reply #34 on: February 11, 2008, 09:00:06 PM »
The illustrations are from Dr. Rafael Díez Domínguez Book! ;D ;D ;D
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Re: Narcissus February 08
« Reply #35 on: February 11, 2008, 09:57:28 PM »
Quote from: Rafa on February 11, 2008, 09:00:06 PM
The illustrations are from Dr. Rafael Díez Domínguez Book! ;D ;D ;D

Can I order a copy, and will you sign it? :D
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Re: Narcissus February 08
« Reply #36 on: February 11, 2008, 10:21:58 PM »
Well Anthony I'm affraid this sketch that I did in 10 minutes is actually being auctioned in Christie's, you will have to ask them about any further information good luck!! ;D ;D ;D
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Re: Narcissus February 08
« Reply #37 on: February 11, 2008, 10:54:20 PM »
I'll send Ian (of the Christie kind) an email and ask what he expects it to go for? ;D
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Re: Narcissus February 08
« Reply #38 on: February 12, 2008, 07:18:26 AM »
Quote from: Rafa on February 11, 2008, 09:00:06 PM
The illustrations are from Dr. Rafael Díez Domínguez Book! ;D ;D ;D

Dear Dr. D.D.,
PLEASE continue with these sketches - in combination with your superb pics it will be a wonderful daffodil book
 - title: D D D  (Díez Domínguez Daffodils)  ;D

Gerd
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Re: Narcissus February 08
« Reply #39 on: February 13, 2008, 10:57:38 PM »
Gerd and Rafa,
Thank for this sketch which teach me many things about this lovely genus. I have some little bulbs of N.. gaditanus with filiform leaves that I grow since three years from seeds. Perhaps flowers next year and I will need too the lights of Rafa, the Narcissus King !

Now wild other Narcissus
Narcissus bulbocodium paucinervis
 Narcissus bulbocodium praecox 2
 Narcissus cordubensis
 Narcissus tazetta ssp pachybolbus

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Re: Narcissus February 08
« Reply #40 on: February 13, 2008, 10:59:25 PM »
and Horticultural cultivars
Narcissus 'Julia Jane'
 Narcissus 'Julia Jane' et Narcissus romieuxii.
 Narcissus romieuxii (jardin
 Narcissus 'Minicycla'

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Re: Narcissus February 08
« Reply #41 on: February 13, 2008, 11:00:50 PM »
The last ones
Narcissus papyraceus 'Sheleg'
 Narcissus 'Rinjvelt Early Sensation'
 Narcissus tazetta plena 'Constantinopel'.
 Narcissus tazetta 'Sacred Chinese Lily'

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Re: Narcissus February 08
« Reply #42 on: February 13, 2008, 11:06:07 PM »
Fantastic show! Dominique,
Thank you for your cumpliment, but I am just a beginner.
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Re: Narcissus February 08
« Reply #43 on: February 13, 2008, 11:07:40 PM »
Rafa, you are the King because you so delight us with your photos from the wild!
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Re: Narcissus February 08
« Reply #44 on: February 13, 2008, 11:09:00 PM »
Dominique

Thanks for some beautiful photos

Where did you get the incredible Narcissus tazetta ssp pachybolbus - it is top of my wants list
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