Pulsatilla 2015

[johnralphcarpenter]

Just bought this nice Pulsatilla vulgaris 'Rode Klokke'.

[mark smyth]

Here is what has grown from open pollinated Pulsatilla pratensis bohemica seeds. The parent is almost black. Could this be a hybrid with P. vulgaris?

[Maggi Young]

that's how I'd expect it to look, Mark,  I see no vulgaris there.

[mark smyth]

yeah I've been out to the parent plant which opened today. It's not as dark as it used to be 

[David Nicholson]

It's still distinctive though, surely Mark?

[mark smyth]

Last year and first time flowering it was exciting - ignore the photo title

[mark smyth]

actually this is the hybrid, above, I think/hope but not flowering this year

[Maggi Young]

Alan Elliott  tweeted :  "Horty-types get your pens ready to re-label. Transfer of Chinese Pulsatilla to Anemone
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/enhanced/doi/10.1111/njb.00700/
via Nordic  Journal of Botany "

Research Article
Nomenclatural transfer of Chinese Pulsatilla to Anemone (Ranunculaceae)
Authors
    Nan Jiang ,  Zhuang Zhou, Kai-Yun Guan andWen-Bin Yu
    First published: 13 April 2015

Abstract

Pulsatilla has been separated from Anemone by many authors. However, molecular phylogenies show that this genus, along with Barneoudia, Knowltonia, Hepatica and Oreithales, is nested with Anemone. For this reason, Pulsatilla is better treated as a section of Anemone. For the Chinese Pulsatilla species, nine species names are already available in Anemone, and the remaining names of three species and four infraspecific taxa are transferred to Anemone here.

[fermi de Sousa]

Noooooooooooooooooooo

[David Nicholson]

Just ignore them Fermi

[Hoy]

Back to square one.

I can remember Pulsatilla vulgaris once was Anemone pulsatilla and Pulsatilla vernalis was Anemone vernalis.

[Tim Ingram]

Nice plant Mark - I particularly like these small flowered Pasque flowers, so rarely grown. This is P. pratensis nigricans grown from seed from Rosemary Powis' garden where she had a wonderfully strong plant which has since died out, so something we must continue propagating. The pulsatillas are just beginning to flower with us (and I'm just beginning to make more sense of their nomenclature - growing from wild collected seed is the answer in part! - as well as following this thread from last year).

Fermi - Maggi put this tweet on the Anemone thread, and I responded there! Would probably have been simpler to follow your sentiments  . (Chris Grey-Wilson gives a considered and sensible discussion about this in his book on the genus Pulsatilla).

[greenspan]

i would have no problems to transfer all Pulsatilla species to Anemone species. but first i want to see, that this is generally accepted within botany systematic + also a complete revision of all species in the genus Pulsatilla with respect to all newer scientific papers published about Pulsatilla (e.g. german botanist Zetzsche: "Die Phylogeographie des Artkomplexes Pulsatilla alpina"). before then i stay with Pulsatilla without problems if somebody calls me a stupid ignorant.

but back to our plants...starting the season as usual with Pulsatilla vernalis. here my this year favorite with 5 flowers on 1 plant (1 bud yet ended flowering). nice to see when ending flowering how the white color fades to rose/pink

[Diane Clement]

Hoy you must have a good memory   
Linnaeus first named it as Anemone vernalis, it was renamed Pulsatilla vernalis in the early 18th century by Philip Miller.  The name Hepatica has the same taxonomic history and is threatened with the same return to Anemone.   

Back to square one.

I can remember Pulsatilla vulgaris once was Anemone pulsatilla and Pulsatilla vernalis was Anemone vernalis.

[Hoy]

Hi Diane,

I have (or rather had) a very good memory and what I said is true - I spoke for myself although I didn't say it clearly. My great grandfather was a keen observer of nature and he had a big library. My grandmother learnt a lot from him including Latin plant names and I learnt them from her! (None of us bothered checking the validity though )

The two very first I learnt was Tussilago farfara and Anemone hepatica. Later also other names. (Maybe not very updated even at that time!)

This is from my second flora (the first one was small and only with some drawings) which I got from my grandma when I was about 10 (that's half a centrury ago) and she had got it from her dad.

"Lehrbuch der Praktischen Pflanzenkund in Wort und Bild, für Schule und Haus, für Gebildete aller Stände." Mit über 1000 Abbildungen auf 60 colorirten Tafeln in Doppelfolio und 214 Holzschnitten. Herausgeben von Carl Hoffmann. Stuttgart. Hoffmann'sche Verlags-Buchhandlung." (ca 1860) Herr Hoffmann hadn't read or didn't agree to Miller!