Cyclamen 2008

[Oron Peri]

3. C. persicum leaf- from seed received as "Tilebarn Karpathos" - shape of the leaf is nearer my C. rohlfsianum than the other C. persicum I grow.

Hans , I'm really curious to see what flower it will set,
T.B. karpathus has  beautiful Cerise color flowers but quite ordinary leaf form.
Yours does look as if it has rohlfsianum blood...
Great cilicium under the P. roebelenii.
finally your hederifolium looks to me like ssp. confusum

[Paul T]

Hans,

That Tilebarn one has a great leaf.  Not quite like any Cyclamen I've seen before.

Oron,

That 'Begonia Leaf" one is interesting, isn't it.  Always good to see interesting leaf forms of hederifolium, well actually for any species.

[Hans A.]

Oron and Paul thanks for your kind comments.
I am also very curious how it will flower - looks like a hybrid, but it is strange as we talk about a  hybrid between an autumn flowering  and a (normally) spring flowering species...

[Hans A.]

After checking the pot I am more and  more sure my "tilebarn karpathos" is a hybrid, as Oron suspected. 
Also the second seedling (not as beautiful marked) does not look like a pure C. persicum - here a picture of them together with seedlings of C. persicum and C. rohlfsianum.

[Oron Peri]

Hans,

we we all wait to see the flower,any way if it is the case , it will be the first hybrid known of the two species.  

[Hans A.]

  - perhaps they are just strange persicum - or strange rohlfsianum... 

[Hans A.]

Oron, it seems there exist (or existed )  artifical Hybrids between C.persicum and C. rohlfsianum - have never heard of them, but searching for the chromosome number of rohlfsianum I found this:

KOBAYASHI, N. und K. OGAWA 1994: Production of
interspecific hybrids between Cyclamen persicum
Mill. and C. rohlfsianum Aschers. or C. libanoticum
Hildebr. by ovule culture. Breed Sci. 44 (Suppl. 2), 85

Here a part of the text:
http://resources.metapress.com/pdf-preview.axd?code=q027r446r2797u70&size=largest

This hybrids were grown by embryo culture - by colchicine treatment it seems it was possible to get fertile hybrids - the question is, where are this plants now...

[Oron Peri]

Hans,

The only persicum hybrid I know of is the one Persicum X pupurascens created in a laboratory in Japan and already in commerce.
This article is very interesting, maybe they keep them in a top secret place till they have enough plants....

[Gerdk]

Cyclamen cyprium flowers reliably and as an addition there is a large variety of leaf patterns. Here are some pics from today

Gerd

[ashley]

Some fine leaf forms there Gerd.  I've never seen a cyprium like that last one before, uniformly pinkish-purple (?).

[Gerdk]

Thank you Ashley.
I am not familiar with describung colours - even in German.
I would call it a very dark green with brown- purple - unfortunately  not the kind of purple as Acer palmatum 'Atropurpureum' for instance.
The pink shade is from a lamp in the greenhouse.

Gerd

[Tony Willis]

Gerd beautiful variation in the leaf forms

[tonyg]

Two Tonys in complete agreement.  Perhaps there will be enough seed for both of us?

[Paul T]

Gerd,

Fantastic leaves.  My plant is nowhere near as interesting as those.  Love the last couple of marked ones in particular, but the last one with the dark leaf is interesting too.  Always good to see something new. 

[Gerdk]

Two Tonys in complete agreement.  Perhaps there will be enough seed for both of us?

I'll try to do the very best - I hope the plants too!

Gerd