Cyclamen 2008

[David Nicholson]

Here's a nice one. Cyclamen rhodium ssp. peleponesium (if I can read the label?).

new specs needed Anthony-it probably reads Cyclamen repandum ssp peloponnesiacum. BUT C. peloponnesiacum was raised to specific staus in 2001. How do I know all this-just reading 'Cyclamen' by Christopher Grey-Wilson 2002 edition, publisher's price £30, my copy from Abe books, brand new £4.50 plus £3.50 p/p-bargain!!

[Anthony Darby]

I'll get my specs out this evening.

[Diane Clement]

BUT C. peloponnesiacum was raised to specific staus in 2001.

Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but C peloponnesiacum only lasted 2 years as a species in its own right. 
A new species C rhodium was named in 2003 by Kit Grey-Wilson to include the old
C repandum rhodense and C repandum peloponnesiacum.  So Anthony's plants is Cyclamen rhodium ssp peloponnesiacum.  Here's a little chart of the changes I just happen to have up my sleeve.

[ashley]

Thanks very much for this clarification on the current situation Diane - but what further tweakings may 2008 bring?     

Some taxonomic revisions are still being published too soon I think, before the evidence is strong enough to justify them.

[David Nicholson]

BUT C. peloponnesiacum was raised to specific staus in 2001.

Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but C peloponnesiacum only lasted 2 years as a species in its own right. 
A new species C rhodium was named in 2003 by Kit Grey-Wilson to include the old
C repandum rhodense and C repandum peloponnesiacum.  So Anthony's plants is Cyclamen rhodium ssp peloponnesiacum.  Here's a little chart of the changes I just happen to have up my sleeve.

....... and I thought I was upto date!!

[ashley]

It's a valuable book, David, but includes some errors, inconsistencies and at times dubious logic in my opinion.

[David Nicholson]

It's a valuable book, David, but includes some errors, inconsistencies and at times dubious logic in my opinion.

........ typical taxonomic ramblings Ashley?

[ashley]

Nothing that a quick swipe of Occam's Razor couldn't fix 

[David Nicholson]

Nothing that a quick swipe of Occam's Razor couldn't fix 

I had to look that one up Ashley, I wasn't familiar with it-very apt!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam's_Razor

[Diane Clement]

Thanks very much for this clarification on the current situation Diane - but what further tweakings may 2008 bring?     

I dread to think!  I'm still waiting for the move threatened some years ago, to take Cyclamen out of Primulaceae and assign to some family of tropical trees, but they don't seem to have decided yet which tropical trees cyclamen are related to   

Some taxonomic revisions are still being published too soon I think, before the evidence is strong enough to justify them.

Yes, I quite agree, but they have to keep publishing new names to justify publishing a new book, don't they      

[Anthony Darby]

Well, I'm glad that's cleared up because I got my specs out and reread the label, and sure enough it is rhodium peleponnesiacum (it's a Tilebarn label).

[Tony Willis]

Mine still look the same each year so clearly they have not read the latest book.

I use my money to have more holidays and buy plants,a lot more fun than yet another book that is meaningless in a year or so.

[Tim Murphy]

A selection of a few of the cyclamen looking good here at the moment.

1. Cyclamen coum; a fairly nice silver leaf form.
2. Cyclamen coum forma Albissimum.
3. This is an "almost" albissimum. I grow roughly 3000 each year and this cropped up randomly. It seems to be a vigorous plant and I'm hoping that some of its offspring will have pure white flowers.
4 & 5. Cyclamen repandum sourced from Italy.
6 & 7. Cyclamen rhodium peloponnesiacum forma Albiflorum.

[David Nicholson]

Beautiful Tim, thanks for posting them.

[Paul T]

Tim,

Lovely to see hte real albissimum.  Your "almost" albissimum is very like my "near pure white" which I offered seed of a while back.  Does show how much pink there really is on it when you see the albissimum pic next to it.  That one is much purer, and rather desirable.  Must look out for it.