Cyclamen 2008

[Lvandelft]

....... and on some American ones too, see 

http://www.ars-grin.gov/cgi-bin/npgs/html/taxon.pl?12733

You would have thought that the publisher of an important monograph on the species would get it right, wouldn't you?

I think I am for the moment on your side David.

I noticed that in Cyclamen Society no author is listed in the Registration.
In my old (not up to date but still useful) Zander (1964) author names are Boissier and Heldreich and it is Cyclamen cilicicum.
Translation of the botanical description says:  cilicicus = aus Zilizien (from Cilicia)

[David Nicholson]

Thank you Luit. I wonder if anyone is able to add to the discussion?

[Hans J]

David ,

I have now looked in my old book from Prof. Hildebrandt ( 1898) -there is a written :

Cyclamen cilicicum

[David Nicholson]

Ah Hans, thanks for your clarification which now adds further to my confusion

[Maggi Young]

Search on www.rhs.org.uk only responds to Cyclamen cilicium

Having lived with the dyslexic Bulb Despot for all these years, I now have trouble remembering how to spell Ian, so I'm not much help 

[Hans J]

David ,

you have to ask a taxonomist why they have changed it .....maybe we can call this plant :

Cyclamen perplexa

[David Nicholson]

Yan who!

In Grey-Wilson's 'Cyclamen' he appears to refer to 'Cilicium'  throughout that section of the book. It's the Index that refers to 'cilicicum'. Also in the Section giving the A-Z of scientific names 'Cilicicum' is used

I shan't sleep now for worrying

[Lvandelft]

David ,

I have now looked in my old book from Prof. Hildebrandt ( 1898) -there is a written :

Cyclamen cilicicum

 On page 176  of his book Prof. Hildebrandt is confused too. He used both names on the same page.

http://bibdigital.rjb.csic.es/Imagenes/P0032_22/P0032_22_0486.pdf



 

[David Nicholson]

Looks as though I'm in good company Luit

[Lvandelft]

Me too David

[Maggi Young]

David, I think you should pop out to the pub, have a pint of ber then come home and have a mince-pie... it'll get you in the festive spirit and then even if you are awake all night, it'll be the indigestion and not the cyclamen names 

[Gerry Webster]

Grey-Wilson is consistently inconsistent. In his first cyclamen book (1988) he uses 'cilicium' but in his second (1997) he uses both 'cilicium' & 'cilicicum'. As far as I can gather from Stearn's 'Botanical Latin', either would be acceptable in principle - as derived from 'Cilicia',  the region of S. Turkey -  but presumably only one is correct for the cyclamen in question.

[art600]

As a representative of the Cyclamen Society, I consider it my duty to end this confusion. 

I will come back with a definitive answer, after the Festive Season.   

[David Nicholson]

Thanks Arthur, that's by far the best idea.

Had the pint Maggi but not the mince pie and slept like a baby.

[Tony Willis]

Once we have received the definitive spelling we will need the definitive pronounciation!